19:05:05 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:05:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu May 19 19:05:05 2016 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:29 <lewyssmith> Make me a chair also. 19:05:43 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:05:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:05:47 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say hello 19:05:50 <wilcal> official 19:05:57 <marja> wilcal: I'm vaguely around 19:05:57 <lewyssmith> Thanks. 19:06:13 <wilcal> thanks your need for the m6 section 19:06:32 <wilcal> anyone new? 19:06:39 <lewyssmith> If anybody here is new, please speak up. 19:07:15 <wilcal> nobody raised their hand so: 19:07:17 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 6 19:07:25 <Ages> My irc room list shows only dvg and lewyssmith in the room, is it just me? 19:07:26 <wilcal> always a fun subject 19:07:55 <lewyssmith> Ages: a few more, but important people absent. 19:08:08 <wilcal> so the last few days with M6 have been pretty frustrating 19:08:13 <wilcal> kinda went downhill 19:08:24 <lewyssmith> Oh dear. 19:08:28 <brian__> hi 19:08:34 <wilcal> marja tells me there's been some changes today 19:08:54 <wilcal> could you share with us what went on with the xorg changes 19:09:02 <lewyssmith> marja: Spill the beans. 19:09:06 <tarazed> Hi Brian. Yes wilcal, it has been very frustrating these last few days. 19:09:18 <lewyssmith> Evening Len. 19:09:27 <wilcal> i can't get a clean install from boot.iso 19:09:38 <tarazed> Evening Lewis 19:09:47 <wilcal> and I lost my i586 Vbox client during update :-(( 19:09:53 <wilcal> and no way to get back 19:10:05 <lewyssmith> Update from what to what? 19:10:22 <wilcal> Let me explain how I do this here 19:10:34 <marja> #info there was a problem today with lib(64)xfont1, making it impossible for many or all to have X .. it got fixed, boot.iso was affected too, and probably still needs to get fixed 19:10:58 <marja> #info do not use last night's boot.iso 19:11:00 <wilcal> so when do you think that will all get fixed 19:11:52 <marja> #info lib(64)xfont1-1.5.1-5.mga6 is the fixed version 19:12:26 <wilcal> so we still need a change to the boot.iso files 19:12:28 <brian__> ?lastnight = 2016-05-18? 19:12:46 <marja> wilcal: I don't know when new boot.isos will be pushed, or whether they're already there 19:13:01 <wilcal> certainly as of 5AM california time today 19:13:11 <brian__> k 19:13:12 <marja> brian__: it was somewhere around CEST midnight, may have been today very early 19:13:33 <marja> wilcal: yeah, that one's wrong 19:13:42 <wilcal> So I'll look at this later today 19:13:48 <marja> good :-) 19:13:54 <wilcal> lemme take a few minutes to share how I do all this here 19:14:01 <wilcal> So I have a local repo 19:14:29 <wilcal> i rsync off off mirror.kernel.org at about 4AM california time 19:14:52 <wilcal> the reason I do this is that the repo I am using is static 19:15:17 <wilcal> I actually rsync twice one right after the other 19:15:34 <wilcal> so that gives me a stable repo 19:15:54 <wilcal> still there's times, like now, when I rsync again before I start testing 19:16:20 <wilcal> so that's bascially what I do here 19:16:25 <wilcal> and why 19:16:38 <brian__> then you build a new VM and do the install initially? 19:17:17 <wilcal> Lately I have been building a new install on real hardware on a blank drive every day from boot.iso 19:17:21 <wilcal> or trying to 19:17:36 <wilcal> the whole process takes a couple hours 19:17:41 <lewyssmith> Why not play with the announced ISOs? 19:17:47 <wilcal> that's why I have not been all that active on the bugs 19:17:54 <brian__> ok - I still have my machine and empty drive laying by. Just need a good to go on the QA distribution list 19:18:02 <wilcal> the present ISOs are way way out of date 19:18:08 <brian__> I noticed 19:18:25 <wilcal> it ain't worth using them 19:18:44 <brian__> so you're doing all mga6 builds from boot.iso 19:18:45 <wilcal> using the boot.iso is best when it works 19:18:56 <brian__> k 19:18:57 <wilcal> that's where I am at right now yes 19:19:03 <lewyssmith> So what are you achieving by pre-empting the next ones? 19:19:12 <lewyssmith> ISOs. 19:19:27 <wilcal> I am attempting to install from the very latest status of M6 19:19:36 <wilcal> also the most dynamic 19:19:47 <lewyssmith> Hoping the next ISOs will be similar? 19:19:53 <brian__> is the board leaning toward Oct'16 yet? 19:20:04 <wilcal> it also points to where the conflicts are 19:20:27 <wilcal> I've been taking a picture of the failed transactions and posting those to the bug 19:20:56 <wilcal> thanks to marja for focusing on just one bug for all these install errors 19:21:13 <lewyssmith> Are your (& others') bugs being fixed? 19:21:41 <wilcal> That's hard to tell as from install try to install try sometimes there's different failures 19:22:04 <marja> wilcal: thx for reporting them.... when an error is still valid one day later, it needs a separate bug reporr, though (which is set to block bug 18413 ) 19:22:05 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18413 major, release_blocker, pkg-bugs, NEW , [TRACKER] Full network install aborts due to conflicts and other issues 19:22:43 <wilcal> Also I'm 9-hours from Europe so when I look at things pretty much things have settled down 19:22:59 <marja> some errors are caused by some packages having landed on the mirror, while other needed packages haven't yet landed 19:23:15 <wilcal> so I've give it a go again this evening so that when Europe wakes up in the morning we'll see where we're at 19:23:45 <marja> wilcal: I hope there'll be new stage2's 19:24:16 <wilcal> i see no hope for new isos untill all this gets worked out and boot.iso installs cleanly 19:24:29 <marja> #info earlier when I said boot.iso, I meant stage2 19:24:47 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Reasonable. 19:25:10 <wilcal> cross fingers boot.iso also installs as a Vbox client 19:25:39 <wilcal> also fwiw my test computers have a modular hard drive system so I can swap them in and out 19:26:01 <wilcal> I've about 15 drives I can tinker with 19:26:04 <brian__> I'm a startech fan 19:26:18 <wilcal> my friend is killdisk.com :-)) 19:26:20 <brian__> do the same on my main cpu 19:26:37 <lewyssmith> I just live with lots of partitions on one disc. 19:26:40 <marja> #info mdkinst.sqfs in path/to/distrib/cauldron/<arch>/install/stage2/ needs to be very new 19:26:49 <wilcal> any major problems and the disk gets blown out 19:27:29 <wilcal> i am also very very careful of my primary M5 installs 19:27:55 <lewyssmith> Shall we move on? 19:28:00 <wilcal> yes please 19:28:03 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates - any problems, difficulties, issues 19:28:20 <brian__> I'll try to work openvpn tonight/tomorrow AM 19:28:27 <wilcal> lots in there 19:28:57 <tarazed> And I'll do xerces-c 19:29:20 <brian__> netowrk manager - I installed, but looks involved to switch 19:29:39 <lewyssmith> For Apache mod nss, do I take it that you have to first UNinstall mod oss? 19:29:41 <brian__> may make more sense for someone with a machine that has wifi 19:30:25 <wilcal> i had an issue on one security update I wanted to air here 19:30:59 <lewyssmith> David has been a hero about testing things and providing test methods. 19:31:15 <brian__> ?wilcal 19:31:18 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17534 19:31:19 <[mbot> Bug 17534: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, qemu new security issues CVE-2015-881[78], CVE-2016-1922, CVE-2016-1981, CVE-2016-219[78], CVE-2016-239[12], CVE-2016-2538, CVE-2016-2841, CVE-2016-285[78], CVE-2016-400[12], CVE-2016-4020, CVE-2016-4037, CVE-2016-371[02], qemu-2.4.1-5.mga5.src.rpm 19:31:55 <wilcal> it's been pushed thanks MrsB 19:32:01 <wilcal> here's my issue 19:32:09 <wilcal> this was a security update only 19:33:02 <wilcal> but Samuel Verschelde brought up another package that works with it and wanted that tested too 19:33:26 <wilcal> my position is that that should be a seperate bug and not be dependent on the security update 19:33:44 <lewyssmith> Agreed. This sort of thing is confusing. 19:34:02 <wilcal> IMO security bugs are not a license to test features and functions of the package under test or others that work with it 19:34:21 <lewyssmith> Most people would agree with you, Bill. 19:34:28 <tarazed> No progress at all with ZendFramerwork2 so have to drop it. Somebody else? 19:34:35 <brian__> hmm - I kind of understand his position though. Confirm it doesn't break dependent package. Maybe not part of the fix, but a valid test 19:34:37 <wilcal> push the secuity bug and open a new one for any issues you may have 19:34:57 <wilcal> with something else 19:35:11 <wilcal> anyway MrsB pushed it on 19:35:14 <brian__> k 19:35:23 <wilcal> enough said on that 19:35:40 <lewyssmith> I have been cavalier about validating updates to get them off the list; but still need to do the advisories. 19:36:33 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ. 19:36:38 <wilcal> hello yj 19:36:42 <tjandrews> Hello. 19:36:57 <lewyssmith> We are talking updates to test. 19:37:16 <lewyssmith> The list is full of strange unknown things. 19:37:26 <tjandrews> Got a few minutes between jobs, so I thought I'd check in. 19:37:46 <wilcal> the libreoffice thing needs to be tested on many platforms 19:37:59 <wilcal> it's also probably big 19:38:06 <brian__> will do. 19:38:29 <lewyssmith> How can one test the Apache mod_nss thingy? 19:38:59 <wilcal> that I don't know lewy 19:39:03 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18422 19:39:05 <[mbot> Bug 18422: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , dhcpcd new security issue CVE-2014-7913, dhcpcd-6.10.0-1.mga5.src.rpm 19:39:12 <wilcal> needs a few people to try 19:39:15 <wilcal> pretty easy 19:39:26 <lewyssmith> dOES IT SAY HOW TO TEST IT? 19:39:48 <wilcal> I just install and do a reboot and you should get back on the LAN/WAN 19:39:50 <tjandrews> Firefox 45 is messing with my head. Between earlier today when I ran it and now, the font has become smaller. Also, no borders on the drop-down menus, and when I select a bookmark, it disappears. I didn't do a thing that I recall. 19:40:22 <wilcal> FF update is a mess right now. I'm using 46.0.1 here and that works fine 19:40:28 <lewyssmith> It is recognised as flawed; we await its successor. 19:40:32 <wilcal> it's ok, or it was ok, in M6 19:41:05 <wilcal> end of month is eol for our present FF 19:41:51 <wilcal> some websites reject our present FF browser like weather.com 19:42:09 <tjandrews> Yeah, I ran into that. 19:42:25 <lewyssmith> Any website that is browser sensitive is crappy. 19:42:43 <wilcal> It's a marketing thingy 19:42:56 <lewyssmith> It is technical incompetence. 19:43:02 <wilcal> The marketeers want the latest bells and whistles 19:43:22 <wilcal> FF is on an 8-week cycle 19:43:23 <tjandrews> Maybe they're worried they'd get hacked by someone with an old browser. 19:43:43 <wilcal> It's the dynamics of the ads that they are pushing at light speed 19:43:55 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: You are too kind. 19:44:04 <wilcal> this is a family gathering 19:44:17 <tjandrews> I use Adblock. I don't see many ads. 19:44:39 <lewyssmith> Back to updates, or move on? 19:44:49 <wilcal> i spent an evening with one of the design teams at Mozilla about a year ago. Very eye opening 19:44:59 <wilcal> move on 19:45:04 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's roundup 19:45:11 <wilcal> hello luigi 19:45:24 <lewyssmith> He has posted an e-mail with his piece. 19:45:29 <wilcal> Ok 19:45:46 <wilcal> lets move on then 19:46:05 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else? 19:46:12 <lewyssmith> Welcome Ben. 19:46:30 <wilcal> I think that the release of M6 before Summer is a pipe dream 19:46:44 <brian__> ditto 19:46:46 <wilcal> More like Oct too many things up in the air 19:46:52 <lewyssmith> Looks like it. 19:46:54 <brian__> thus my earlier ? 19:47:01 <wilcal> I have no problem with that 19:47:20 <Benmc> Lewis, QA - Good morning 19:47:37 <brian__> just means FF and older tools have to get updated in 5 - as already mentioend 19:48:09 <wilcal> Cauldron is not for the faint of heart! 19:48:10 <wilcal> Hot, bubbling magic inside. May explode or cook your kittens! 19:48:15 <wilcal> :-)) 19:48:52 <lewyssmith> I hope to update a couple of Wikified test procedures in the light of David's recent bug testing. 19:49:15 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Still here, Len? 19:49:34 <wilcal> Too much documentation is not enough 19:49:59 <lewyssmith> Agreed. Why I tackle it. 19:50:29 <wilcal> I could go on about my years at General Electric and documentation 19:51:09 <wilcal> anything else out there 19:51:32 <lewyssmith> Not here. 19:51:40 <brian__> send an Email out to QA when boot.iso works for you wilcal. 19:51:45 <wilcal> I'm done 19:51:47 <brian__> That'll inspire me to try it 19:51:50 <wilcal> I will do that 19:51:55 <lewyssmith> Thanks for chairing, Bill. 19:52:00 <wilcal> no prob 19:52:07 <wilcal> counting down 19:52:11 <wilcal> T-5 19:52:18 <wilcal> T-4 19:52:23 <wilcal> T-3 19:52:26 <wilcal> T-2 19:52:29 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all, thanks for showing up. 19:52:31 <wilcal> T-1 19:52:42 <wilcal> #endmeeting