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19:06:00 <wilcal> back
19:06:14 <mga5gazer> DavidWHodgins, it's in the Apache docs
19:06:14 <MrsB> Morning all, welcome to another one
19:06:25 <DavidWHodgins> mga5gazer: Ok. Thanks
19:06:58 <MrsB> Lewis is unwell at the moment (get well soon) so who's going to be lewis today?
19:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> I'll handle the topics etc
19:07:33 * MrsB picks a victim
19:07:34 <wilcal> brian :-))
19:07:44 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins brian__
19:07:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB brian__
19:07:46 <MrsB> done :)
19:07:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say hello
19:07:50 <brian__> LOL
19:07:58 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
19:07:58 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB brian__ wilcal
19:08:02 <MrsB> Is there anybody new in today?
19:08:38 <MrsB> i think we're all old, not new
19:08:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 - Lots going on
19:08:49 <MrsB> Ahaa :)
19:08:56 <MrsB> So lots of tests, well done
19:09:16 <wilcal> I have two M6 Vbox clients i586 & x86_64 running and updating
19:09:18 <MrsB> tmb ennael any progress?
19:09:48 <wilcal> Install came from the live media. CI not so good :-((
19:09:55 <MrsB> I guess we have to decide where we want to be at this stage. We don't want to hold it up but it seems very little has changed sicne dev1
19:10:15 <wilcal> but it works and that's a big difference
19:10:54 <brian__> per your comments - physical hardware still a challenge?
19:11:01 <wilcal> seems to be
19:11:08 <rindolf> Hi all.
19:11:22 <rindolf> ah, TheSuperGeek is not here.
19:11:27 <wilcal> I've seen some things I have concern about but to get it working on real hardware is a challange
19:11:27 <brian__> greetings rindolf
19:11:31 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia6-sta1 Pad link
19:11:32 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:11:38 <rindolf> brian__: hi.
19:12:48 <brian__> should we expect new media 5/6?
19:12:51 <tmb> yeah,I'm still playing catch-up with a lot of stuff, but I have some possible fixes for live medias queued up I need to test
19:13:16 <MrsB> #info tmb has some fixes for live medias
19:13:19 <wilcal> are there a lot of problems with the video drivers?
19:13:27 <tmb> for CI and UEFI issues I forgot to update the bootloader code
19:14:20 <wilcal> Note to MrsB: check very closely OpenShot in M6 & intel frame buffer. I think there's a major problem showing up there
19:14:39 <wilcal> probably show up in other video apps
19:15:13 <wilcal> on real hardware
19:15:29 <MrsB> I don't have any of that i can test with
19:15:51 <MrsB> still, file a bug, make a note on the pad. It's on the iso now isn't it
19:15:52 <wilcal> After testing kernels I'll get back to M6
19:16:01 <brian__> wilcal: new intel or old equipment?
19:16:18 <wilcal> brand new Gagabyte MB
19:16:26 <brian__> k
19:16:27 <wilcal> more info as I move along
19:16:35 <tmb> I have Intel, Amd and nVidia hw here so I should be able to test stuff... just need to set up the systems
19:16:57 <wilcal> could have just been a glitch
19:17:07 <wilcal> video on Openshot looked terrible
19:17:31 <wilcal> both generated mp4 files and editing
19:18:10 <wilcal> it may be ok on an nvidia system but not an intel frame buffer
19:18:23 <wilcal> anyway more as I get along
19:18:54 <wilcal> Plasma has to grow on you
19:19:13 <MrsB> There are lots of issues still. We really need to start to see some fixes filtering through, the schedule is too tight to take our time with things.
19:19:33 <MrsB> shorewall still blockign etc
19:19:44 <wilcal> It's a I turn shorewell off
19:20:04 <wilcal> on on my laptop which I travel with
19:20:15 <MrsB> that's ok as a workaround, but we have to make it so it works without workarounds
19:20:43 <mga5gazer> hmm, what is the issue with shorewall. IMHO, it is a security issue to have the firewall disabled.
19:21:20 <MrsB> it defaults to eth0 rather than the renamed nic's
19:21:31 <MrsB> eg.enp4s3
19:21:33 <mga5gazer> ah
19:21:34 <wilcal> If your behind a good router It's not useful
19:22:13 <MrsB> not really the point though wilcal
19:22:15 <wilcal> If I go to my local library with my laptop it's on
19:22:33 <mga5gazer> wilcal: sry, that's not always a safe situation. Do you have anyone running windows behind your router?
19:22:47 <MrsB> #info still alot of bugs carried over from dev1.
19:22:50 <wilcal> ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!  :-))
19:23:04 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:23:12 <wilcal> I don't do windows
19:23:38 <MrsB> mornint tj
19:23:40 <MrsB> g
19:23:46 <mga5gazer> wilcal: good to know but even with good filtering at your router, clients behind it can still get owned
19:24:13 <wilcal> yup but I've something to share when we get into the next section
19:24:28 <MrsB> It's a big basic issues that we would hope to have seen fixed by now
19:24:55 <tjandrews> MrsB: HI. Only a quick look after the install, but to the observer there's little difference between the dev1 and the first round of sta1 classicals.
19:25:04 <MrsB> indeed tj
19:25:26 <tjandrews> Between tasks at the moment and thought I'd take a break and check in.
19:25:29 <MrsB> #info Main issue is lack of progress :\
19:26:09 <MrsB> glad you could join us, did you bring food?
19:26:27 <tjandrews> I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assume there's much different behind the scenes.
19:26:51 <tjandrews> I barely had time to wash my hands.
19:27:29 <MrsB> I think we should expect new ISOs before release
19:27:45 <tjandrews> Maybe I could quickly thaw out a loaf of pumpkin bread in the microwave.
19:27:53 <brian__> release is 2016-05-06 correct?
19:28:06 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: When it's ready
19:28:13 <MrsB> 09 i think brian IIRC
19:28:20 <brian__> got it
19:28:35 <MrsB> We can't afford delays though with the tight schedule
19:29:10 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development
19:29:29 <MrsB> Anybody want to add anything?
19:29:54 <wilcal> Waiting for new ISOs but have working versions here
19:29:55 <brian__> very aggressive - nightly builds then
19:30:02 <tjandrews> The b43-openfwwf on the isos doesn't work at all with my wifi. If the one tmb put up for testing with the new kernel works, that one should be put in Cauldron.
19:30:21 <wilcal> one VERY irritating bug
19:30:45 <MrsB> we could do if we had openqa brian__ but there are still some perl modules to sort out I believe
19:30:59 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207
19:31:00 <[mbot> Bug 18207: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , Opening a .txt document shifts the desktop left and off the table
19:31:07 <wilcal> is really awful
19:31:32 <MrsB> yep, lots of bugs still :)
19:32:12 <MrsB> Let's move on then and await new ISOs. Please remember to create bug reports for any issues (still guilty of not doing so)
19:32:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:32:42 <MrsB> thankd dave dude
19:32:57 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:33:00 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:33:04 <MrsB> Our list blossomed
19:33:10 <tjandrews> I will test the new M5 kernel update this evening, after work.
19:33:14 <DavidWHodgins> Working on openssl. Have to create new certs first, by the look of it. Should that be done by the update?
19:33:42 <MrsB> #info everybody please install the new kernel & drivers for mga5
19:33:46 <DavidWHodgins> New kernel working fine here
19:34:10 <MrsB> #info remember to enable nonfree updates testing for nvidia etc, and remember ldetect-lst
19:34:19 <wilcal> I do kernel testing on real hardware after this meeting kernel + nvidia + Vbox all at the same time. Cross fingers
19:34:31 <brian__> I'll throw it on my AMD/Radeon hardware and see how it goes
19:34:39 <MrsB> yep, please do
19:34:40 <mga5gazer> DavidWHodgins, i had to create new certs because mine had expired not because of the new openssl version. It has to maintain interoperbility with older versions.
19:34:44 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, nope, we cant auto-create new certs... we might overwrite something unwanted... better add info to advisory
19:34:52 <tjandrews> I'll do Vbox too - if I don't fall asleep.
19:34:56 <MrsB> #info we need kernel testing on as many systems as we can do please
19:34:59 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
19:35:54 <MrsB> vbox now synced with cauldron tmb?
19:36:06 <tmb> considering many people have been runningt the kernels since ~4.4.4 they should hopefully be somewhat safe now... :)
19:36:32 <tmb> Mageia build infra is already running 4.4.9-1 + tools/utils
19:36:51 <tmb> MrsB, yes, 5.0.20 is both in cauldron and mga5 testing
19:37:15 <MrsB> #info vbox in testing is now synced with cauldron
19:37:46 <MrsB> Anybody having any problems with testing updates?
19:38:30 <tjandrews> Getting the time to do a proper job is all.
19:38:33 <brian__> not here
19:38:40 <DavidWHodgins> Just screen time I can do
19:38:44 <wilcal> what's gonna happen with FF
19:39:03 <wilcal> Firefox ESR
19:39:05 <MrsB> I emailed about that twice :\
19:39:09 <rindolf> wilcal: firefox?
19:39:35 <wilcal> ya our version is shortly out of date and unsupported some sites rejecting it
19:39:44 <tmb> wilcal, it will be upgraded to 45 ESR soon-ish
19:39:47 <wilcal> weather.com being one
19:39:54 <MrsB> ESR is moving to FF45 and an update is currently being prepared
19:39:55 <wilcal> k
19:40:08 <tmb> and so is thunderbird
19:40:11 * tjandrews waves hand. I saw both of MrsB's emails!
19:40:17 <MrsB> Yay \o/
19:40:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:40:32 <wilcal> FWIW I'm actually getting quite good with wireshark :-))
19:40:47 <MrsB> We crawn you the wireshark kign then wilcal
19:40:50 <MrsB> oops crown
19:40:58 <MrsB> and king
19:41:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - Security roundup & upcoming updates
19:41:13 <wilcal> i kinda unstand the filters and took this laptop to the libraray and "sniffed" their LAN
19:41:20 <MrsB> lol
19:41:25 <Luigi12_work> poof
19:41:26 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
19:41:30 <MrsB> OOoOOooO
19:41:39 <Luigi12_work> welcome to Luigi's Mansion
19:41:53 <Luigi12_work> ok, with that out of the way, security bugs are crawling like cockroaches
19:41:54 <MrsB> Wasn't there one of those with vacuum cleaners?
19:41:59 <Luigi12_work> yes
19:42:06 <Luigi12_work> we need some vacuum/package cleaners
19:42:08 <MrsB> great, I've a job for you..
19:42:52 <Luigi12_work> as you just discussed, FF/TB 45 are in progress.  The initial builds will be internal QA testing only.  Once 45.2 is out, that's what will go out to users.
19:42:56 <MrsB> So lots of updates landed as soon as we had ISOs
19:43:25 <Luigi12_work> I guess the apache-mod_nss update is still being worked on by Thomas Spuhler
19:43:27 <wilcal> thanks David
19:43:45 <Luigi12_work> there's a CVE for ocaml, but not sure whether we'll fix it in mga5, as it apparently requires rebuilding all ocaml stuff
19:43:47 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: will these builds be in updates_testing?
19:43:52 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: yes
19:44:05 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: ok.
19:44:13 <MrsB> #info FF/TB45 updates are in progress. apache-mod_nss still being worked on by Thomas.
19:44:21 <Luigi12_work> also have bugs filed in the past week for jansson, wpa_supplicant, libxml2, imagemagick, botan, xerces-j2, and ntp
19:44:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
19:44:42 <mga5gazer> any news on the ImageMagick issue?
19:44:48 <DavidWHodgins> When it rains, it pours.
19:44:56 <MrsB> #info updates coming for  jansson, wpa_supplicant, libxml2, imagemagick, botan, xerces-j2, and ntp
19:45:02 <Luigi12_work> upstream fixes for imagemagick are out and available in Cauldron already
19:45:07 <wilcal> gotta get through these kernels though + Vbox + nvidia
19:45:11 <Luigi12_work> so we just need someone to update it in mga5
19:45:21 <MrsB> officially "imagetragick" now *sigh*
19:45:30 <Luigi12_work> yeah  ::rolls eyes::
19:46:18 <Luigi12_work> that's all from me
19:46:23 <wilcal> whew
19:46:24 <brian__> i'll try graphicmagick and see what happens.
19:46:33 <MrsB> imagmagick fixes coming to mga5 ?
19:46:42 <MrsB> oh sorry, missed what you said
19:46:46 <Luigi12_work> probably more fixes forthcoming for graphicsmagick than what's been built thus far
19:46:50 <mga5gazer> reminds me of the nickname PartitionTragic (that was a while ago... :-)
19:47:02 <MrsB> #info Packager needed for imagemagick fixes in mga5
19:47:04 <brian__> want me to wait and let you collect or should we test and deploy?
19:47:48 <Luigi12_work> I suggested waiting in the bug today, probably should mark feedback for now
19:47:56 <MrsB> We'll get a bug assigned to us when it's ready for testing brian__
19:47:57 <brian__> k
19:48:05 <brian__> I'll - I'll do Kernel then
19:48:22 <tjandrews> Time for me to go, guys. Warm pumpkin bread on the table...
19:48:24 <wilcal> lets get those behind us by early next week
19:48:35 <MrsB> hmmm there already is one, when did that sneak in :D
19:48:39 <rindolf> tjandrews: bye.
19:48:40 <MrsB> nite TJ
19:48:46 <rindolf> tjandrews: it was my birthday today.
19:48:51 <MrsB> Thanks theh David
19:48:53 <MrsB> n
19:48:56 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Happy birthday
19:49:04 <MrsB> happy burpday rindolf
19:49:04 <Luigi12_work> well, graphicsmagick bug was assigned to QA already
19:49:05 <tjandrews> Happy birthday, rindolf
19:49:06 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: thanks.
19:49:10 <rindolf> MrsB: thanks.
19:49:13 <rindolf> tjandrews: thanks.
19:49:17 <Luigi12_work> but the upstream author said a week ago he was still working on security fixes
19:49:17 <wilcal> HB!! :-))
19:49:26 <brian__> rindolf:  HB!
19:49:26 <mga5gazer> rindolf hope you have a fun birthday
19:49:33 <rindolf> brian__: thanks.
19:49:43 <MrsB> So that only leaves...
19:49:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:49:52 <rindolf> mga5gazer: thanks - I kinda did - I worked on Freecell Solver today.
19:49:53 <MrsB> dude :)
19:49:58 <brian__> rindolf:  thanks for responding to my ping test.  Much appreciated
19:50:00 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:50:00 <wilcal> I'm good
19:50:03 <mga5gazer> any news about the arm release?
19:50:28 <wilcal> Ya I've an 8gb chip wait'n here on that for my Pi
19:51:03 <MrsB> Packages are being built alongside normal ones in cauldron, not sure what type of release it will get. Hopefully we'll see some kind of ISO for people to use.
19:51:05 <tmb> mga5gazer, it's being worked on, but tbh I think i586/x86_64 is still more important to focus on
19:51:14 <MrsB> it's still kind of WIP
19:51:47 <tmb> there will probably not be any arm ISO, instead a "raw image" to dd to a memory card or so...
19:51:54 <MrsB> yeah
19:52:02 <mga5gazer> kewl, I don't have to get a pi budget approved by the finance director... :-)
19:52:12 <MrsB> taht's pretty standard for arm stuff I think anyway
19:52:30 <wilcal> an img file probably
19:52:34 <tmb> yep
19:52:37 <MrsB> she'd let you have a pi i'm sure mga5gazer
19:52:46 <wilcal> that's what I use
19:52:56 <mga5gazer> MrsB, can I tell her you said OK? ;-)
19:53:03 <MrsB> sure
19:53:04 <tmb> make sure you get a brand new rpi 3 then :)
19:53:05 <DavidWHodgins> What's the most powerful arm device currently on the market?
19:53:07 <mga5gazer> lol
19:53:39 <MrsB> no idea :\
19:53:45 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, an AMD system costing ~3000 €
19:53:45 <mga5gazer> pi3 ?
19:53:59 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ouch
19:54:09 <MrsB> give it a miss eh dave
19:54:14 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:54:16 <rindolf> tmb: multiprocessor?
19:54:40 <MrsB> Let's wrap this one up then guys. Thankyou all for coming and great testing! Keep it going :)
19:54:45 <tmb> then you have nVidia X1 for ~500€, wandboard ~100€, and down from there
19:54:49 <MrsB> T - 5
19:54:50 <wilcal> super meeting
19:54:53 <MrsB> 4
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19:55:00 <MrsB> #endmeeting