19:05:59 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:05:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu May 5 19:05:59 2016 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:00 <wilcal> back 19:06:14 <mga5gazer> DavidWHodgins, it's in the Apache docs 19:06:14 <MrsB> Morning all, welcome to another one 19:06:25 <DavidWHodgins> mga5gazer: Ok. Thanks 19:06:58 <MrsB> Lewis is unwell at the moment (get well soon) so who's going to be lewis today? 19:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> I'll handle the topics etc 19:07:33 * MrsB picks a victim 19:07:34 <wilcal> brian :-)) 19:07:44 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins brian__ 19:07:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB brian__ 19:07:46 <MrsB> done :) 19:07:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say hello 19:07:50 <brian__> LOL 19:07:58 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal 19:07:58 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB brian__ wilcal 19:08:02 <MrsB> Is there anybody new in today? 19:08:38 <MrsB> i think we're all old, not new 19:08:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 - Lots going on 19:08:49 <MrsB> Ahaa :) 19:08:56 <MrsB> So lots of tests, well done 19:09:16 <wilcal> I have two M6 Vbox clients i586 & x86_64 running and updating 19:09:18 <MrsB> tmb ennael any progress? 19:09:48 <wilcal> Install came from the live media. CI not so good :-(( 19:09:55 <MrsB> I guess we have to decide where we want to be at this stage. We don't want to hold it up but it seems very little has changed sicne dev1 19:10:15 <wilcal> but it works and that's a big difference 19:10:54 <brian__> per your comments - physical hardware still a challenge? 19:11:01 <wilcal> seems to be 19:11:08 <rindolf> Hi all. 19:11:22 <rindolf> ah, TheSuperGeek is not here. 19:11:27 <wilcal> I've seen some things I have concern about but to get it working on real hardware is a challange 19:11:27 <brian__> greetings rindolf 19:11:31 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia6-sta1 Pad link 19:11:32 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 19:11:38 <rindolf> brian__: hi. 19:12:48 <brian__> should we expect new media 5/6? 19:12:51 <tmb> yeah,I'm still playing catch-up with a lot of stuff, but I have some possible fixes for live medias queued up I need to test 19:13:16 <MrsB> #info tmb has some fixes for live medias 19:13:19 <wilcal> are there a lot of problems with the video drivers? 19:13:27 <tmb> for CI and UEFI issues I forgot to update the bootloader code 19:14:20 <wilcal> Note to MrsB: check very closely OpenShot in M6 & intel frame buffer. I think there's a major problem showing up there 19:14:39 <wilcal> probably show up in other video apps 19:15:13 <wilcal> on real hardware 19:15:29 <MrsB> I don't have any of that i can test with 19:15:51 <MrsB> still, file a bug, make a note on the pad. It's on the iso now isn't it 19:15:52 <wilcal> After testing kernels I'll get back to M6 19:16:01 <brian__> wilcal: new intel or old equipment? 19:16:18 <wilcal> brand new Gagabyte MB 19:16:26 <brian__> k 19:16:27 <wilcal> more info as I move along 19:16:35 <tmb> I have Intel, Amd and nVidia hw here so I should be able to test stuff... just need to set up the systems 19:16:57 <wilcal> could have just been a glitch 19:17:07 <wilcal> video on Openshot looked terrible 19:17:31 <wilcal> both generated mp4 files and editing 19:18:10 <wilcal> it may be ok on an nvidia system but not an intel frame buffer 19:18:23 <wilcal> anyway more as I get along 19:18:54 <wilcal> Plasma has to grow on you 19:19:13 <MrsB> There are lots of issues still. We really need to start to see some fixes filtering through, the schedule is too tight to take our time with things. 19:19:33 <MrsB> shorewall still blockign etc 19:19:44 <wilcal> It's a I turn shorewell off 19:20:04 <wilcal> on on my laptop which I travel with 19:20:15 <MrsB> that's ok as a workaround, but we have to make it so it works without workarounds 19:20:43 <mga5gazer> hmm, what is the issue with shorewall. IMHO, it is a security issue to have the firewall disabled. 19:21:20 <MrsB> it defaults to eth0 rather than the renamed nic's 19:21:31 <MrsB> eg.enp4s3 19:21:33 <mga5gazer> ah 19:21:34 <wilcal> If your behind a good router It's not useful 19:22:13 <MrsB> not really the point though wilcal 19:22:15 <wilcal> If I go to my local library with my laptop it's on 19:22:33 <mga5gazer> wilcal: sry, that's not always a safe situation. Do you have anyone running windows behind your router? 19:22:47 <MrsB> #info still alot of bugs carried over from dev1. 19:22:50 <wilcal> ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!! :-)) 19:23:04 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:23:12 <wilcal> I don't do windows 19:23:38 <MrsB> mornint tj 19:23:40 <MrsB> g 19:23:46 <mga5gazer> wilcal: good to know but even with good filtering at your router, clients behind it can still get owned 19:24:13 <wilcal> yup but I've something to share when we get into the next section 19:24:28 <MrsB> It's a big basic issues that we would hope to have seen fixed by now 19:24:55 <tjandrews> MrsB: HI. Only a quick look after the install, but to the observer there's little difference between the dev1 and the first round of sta1 classicals. 19:25:04 <MrsB> indeed tj 19:25:26 <tjandrews> Between tasks at the moment and thought I'd take a break and check in. 19:25:29 <MrsB> #info Main issue is lack of progress :\ 19:26:09 <MrsB> glad you could join us, did you bring food? 19:26:27 <tjandrews> I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assume there's much different behind the scenes. 19:26:51 <tjandrews> I barely had time to wash my hands. 19:27:29 <MrsB> I think we should expect new ISOs before release 19:27:45 <tjandrews> Maybe I could quickly thaw out a loaf of pumpkin bread in the microwave. 19:27:53 <brian__> release is 2016-05-06 correct? 19:28:06 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: When it's ready 19:28:13 <MrsB> 09 i think brian IIRC 19:28:20 <brian__> got it 19:28:35 <MrsB> We can't afford delays though with the tight schedule 19:29:10 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_6_Development 19:29:29 <MrsB> Anybody want to add anything? 19:29:54 <wilcal> Waiting for new ISOs but have working versions here 19:29:55 <brian__> very aggressive - nightly builds then 19:30:02 <tjandrews> The b43-openfwwf on the isos doesn't work at all with my wifi. If the one tmb put up for testing with the new kernel works, that one should be put in Cauldron. 19:30:21 <wilcal> one VERY irritating bug 19:30:45 <MrsB> we could do if we had openqa brian__ but there are still some perl modules to sort out I believe 19:30:59 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 19:31:00 <[mbot> Bug 18207: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , Opening a .txt document shifts the desktop left and off the table 19:31:07 <wilcal> is really awful 19:31:32 <MrsB> yep, lots of bugs still :) 19:32:12 <MrsB> Let's move on then and await new ISOs. Please remember to create bug reports for any issues (still guilty of not doing so) 19:32:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues? 19:32:42 <MrsB> thankd dave dude 19:32:57 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:33:00 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:33:04 <MrsB> Our list blossomed 19:33:10 <tjandrews> I will test the new M5 kernel update this evening, after work. 19:33:14 <DavidWHodgins> Working on openssl. Have to create new certs first, by the look of it. Should that be done by the update? 19:33:42 <MrsB> #info everybody please install the new kernel & drivers for mga5 19:33:46 <DavidWHodgins> New kernel working fine here 19:34:10 <MrsB> #info remember to enable nonfree updates testing for nvidia etc, and remember ldetect-lst 19:34:19 <wilcal> I do kernel testing on real hardware after this meeting kernel + nvidia + Vbox all at the same time. Cross fingers 19:34:31 <brian__> I'll throw it on my AMD/Radeon hardware and see how it goes 19:34:39 <MrsB> yep, please do 19:34:40 <mga5gazer> DavidWHodgins, i had to create new certs because mine had expired not because of the new openssl version. It has to maintain interoperbility with older versions. 19:34:44 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, nope, we cant auto-create new certs... we might overwrite something unwanted... better add info to advisory 19:34:52 <tjandrews> I'll do Vbox too - if I don't fall asleep. 19:34:56 <MrsB> #info we need kernel testing on as many systems as we can do please 19:34:59 <DavidWHodgins> Ok 19:35:54 <MrsB> vbox now synced with cauldron tmb? 19:36:06 <tmb> considering many people have been runningt the kernels since ~4.4.4 they should hopefully be somewhat safe now... :) 19:36:32 <tmb> Mageia build infra is already running 4.4.9-1 + tools/utils 19:36:51 <tmb> MrsB, yes, 5.0.20 is both in cauldron and mga5 testing 19:37:15 <MrsB> #info vbox in testing is now synced with cauldron 19:37:46 <MrsB> Anybody having any problems with testing updates? 19:38:30 <tjandrews> Getting the time to do a proper job is all. 19:38:33 <brian__> not here 19:38:40 <DavidWHodgins> Just screen time I can do 19:38:44 <wilcal> what's gonna happen with FF 19:39:03 <wilcal> Firefox ESR 19:39:05 <MrsB> I emailed about that twice :\ 19:39:09 <rindolf> wilcal: firefox? 19:39:35 <wilcal> ya our version is shortly out of date and unsupported some sites rejecting it 19:39:44 <tmb> wilcal, it will be upgraded to 45 ESR soon-ish 19:39:47 <wilcal> weather.com being one 19:39:54 <MrsB> ESR is moving to FF45 and an update is currently being prepared 19:39:55 <wilcal> k 19:40:08 <tmb> and so is thunderbird 19:40:11 * tjandrews waves hand. I saw both of MrsB's emails! 19:40:17 <MrsB> Yay \o/ 19:40:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:40:32 <wilcal> FWIW I'm actually getting quite good with wireshark :-)) 19:40:47 <MrsB> We crawn you the wireshark kign then wilcal 19:40:50 <MrsB> oops crown 19:40:58 <MrsB> and king 19:41:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - Security roundup & upcoming updates 19:41:13 <wilcal> i kinda unstand the filters and took this laptop to the libraray and "sniffed" their LAN 19:41:20 <MrsB> lol 19:41:25 <Luigi12_work> poof 19:41:26 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 19:41:30 <MrsB> OOoOOooO 19:41:39 <Luigi12_work> welcome to Luigi's Mansion 19:41:53 <Luigi12_work> ok, with that out of the way, security bugs are crawling like cockroaches 19:41:54 <MrsB> Wasn't there one of those with vacuum cleaners? 19:41:59 <Luigi12_work> yes 19:42:06 <Luigi12_work> we need some vacuum/package cleaners 19:42:08 <MrsB> great, I've a job for you.. 19:42:52 <Luigi12_work> as you just discussed, FF/TB 45 are in progress. The initial builds will be internal QA testing only. Once 45.2 is out, that's what will go out to users. 19:42:56 <MrsB> So lots of updates landed as soon as we had ISOs 19:43:25 <Luigi12_work> I guess the apache-mod_nss update is still being worked on by Thomas Spuhler 19:43:27 <wilcal> thanks David 19:43:45 <Luigi12_work> there's a CVE for ocaml, but not sure whether we'll fix it in mga5, as it apparently requires rebuilding all ocaml stuff 19:43:47 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: will these builds be in updates_testing? 19:43:52 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: yes 19:44:05 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: ok. 19:44:13 <MrsB> #info FF/TB45 updates are in progress. apache-mod_nss still being worked on by Thomas. 19:44:21 <Luigi12_work> also have bugs filed in the past week for jansson, wpa_supplicant, libxml2, imagemagick, botan, xerces-j2, and ntp 19:44:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch 19:44:42 <mga5gazer> any news on the ImageMagick issue? 19:44:48 <DavidWHodgins> When it rains, it pours. 19:44:56 <MrsB> #info updates coming for jansson, wpa_supplicant, libxml2, imagemagick, botan, xerces-j2, and ntp 19:45:02 <Luigi12_work> upstream fixes for imagemagick are out and available in Cauldron already 19:45:07 <wilcal> gotta get through these kernels though + Vbox + nvidia 19:45:11 <Luigi12_work> so we just need someone to update it in mga5 19:45:21 <MrsB> officially "imagetragick" now *sigh* 19:45:30 <Luigi12_work> yeah ::rolls eyes:: 19:46:18 <Luigi12_work> that's all from me 19:46:23 <wilcal> whew 19:46:24 <brian__> i'll try graphicmagick and see what happens. 19:46:33 <MrsB> imagmagick fixes coming to mga5 ? 19:46:42 <MrsB> oh sorry, missed what you said 19:46:46 <Luigi12_work> probably more fixes forthcoming for graphicsmagick than what's been built thus far 19:46:50 <mga5gazer> reminds me of the nickname PartitionTragic (that was a while ago... :-) 19:47:02 <MrsB> #info Packager needed for imagemagick fixes in mga5 19:47:04 <brian__> want me to wait and let you collect or should we test and deploy? 19:47:48 <Luigi12_work> I suggested waiting in the bug today, probably should mark feedback for now 19:47:56 <MrsB> We'll get a bug assigned to us when it's ready for testing brian__ 19:47:57 <brian__> k 19:48:05 <brian__> I'll - I'll do Kernel then 19:48:22 <tjandrews> Time for me to go, guys. Warm pumpkin bread on the table... 19:48:24 <wilcal> lets get those behind us by early next week 19:48:35 <MrsB> hmmm there already is one, when did that sneak in :D 19:48:39 <rindolf> tjandrews: bye. 19:48:40 <MrsB> nite TJ 19:48:46 <rindolf> tjandrews: it was my birthday today. 19:48:51 <MrsB> Thanks theh David 19:48:53 <MrsB> n 19:48:56 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Happy birthday 19:49:04 <MrsB> happy burpday rindolf 19:49:04 <Luigi12_work> well, graphicsmagick bug was assigned to QA already 19:49:05 <tjandrews> Happy birthday, rindolf 19:49:06 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: thanks. 19:49:10 <rindolf> MrsB: thanks. 19:49:13 <rindolf> tjandrews: thanks. 19:49:17 <Luigi12_work> but the upstream author said a week ago he was still working on security fixes 19:49:17 <wilcal> HB!! :-)) 19:49:26 <brian__> rindolf: HB! 19:49:26 <mga5gazer> rindolf hope you have a fun birthday 19:49:33 <rindolf> brian__: thanks. 19:49:43 <MrsB> So that only leaves... 19:49:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:49:52 <rindolf> mga5gazer: thanks - I kinda did - I worked on Freecell Solver today. 19:49:53 <MrsB> dude :) 19:49:58 <brian__> rindolf: thanks for responding to my ping test. Much appreciated 19:50:00 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 19:50:00 <wilcal> I'm good 19:50:03 <mga5gazer> any news about the arm release? 19:50:28 <wilcal> Ya I've an 8gb chip wait'n here on that for my Pi 19:51:03 <MrsB> Packages are being built alongside normal ones in cauldron, not sure what type of release it will get. Hopefully we'll see some kind of ISO for people to use. 19:51:05 <tmb> mga5gazer, it's being worked on, but tbh I think i586/x86_64 is still more important to focus on 19:51:14 <MrsB> it's still kind of WIP 19:51:47 <tmb> there will probably not be any arm ISO, instead a "raw image" to dd to a memory card or so... 19:51:54 <MrsB> yeah 19:52:02 <mga5gazer> kewl, I don't have to get a pi budget approved by the finance director... :-) 19:52:12 <MrsB> taht's pretty standard for arm stuff I think anyway 19:52:30 <wilcal> an img file probably 19:52:34 <tmb> yep 19:52:37 <MrsB> she'd let you have a pi i'm sure mga5gazer 19:52:46 <wilcal> that's what I use 19:52:56 <mga5gazer> MrsB, can I tell her you said OK? ;-) 19:53:03 <MrsB> sure 19:53:04 <tmb> make sure you get a brand new rpi 3 then :) 19:53:05 <DavidWHodgins> What's the most powerful arm device currently on the market? 19:53:07 <mga5gazer> lol 19:53:39 <MrsB> no idea :\ 19:53:45 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, an AMD system costing ~3000 € 19:53:45 <mga5gazer> pi3 ? 19:53:59 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ouch 19:54:09 <MrsB> give it a miss eh dave 19:54:14 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 19:54:16 <rindolf> tmb: multiprocessor? 19:54:40 <MrsB> Let's wrap this one up then guys. Thankyou all for coming and great testing! Keep it going :) 19:54:45 <tmb> then you have nVidia X1 for ~500€, wandboard ~100€, and down from there 19:54:49 <MrsB> T - 5 19:54:50 <wilcal> super meeting 19:54:53 <MrsB> 4 19:54:54 <MrsB> 3 19:54:56 <MrsB> 2 19:54:57 <MrsB> 1 19:55:00 <MrsB> #endmeeting