19:20:26 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:20:26 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 7 19:20:26 2016 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:20:26 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:20:35 <MrsB> Welcome to another typo night 19:20:46 <TheSuperGeek> Yes :) 19:20:48 <rindolf> Hi all. 19:20:49 <MrsB> quick topic before we get into it 19:20:57 <MrsB> #topic Election results 19:21:05 <tarazed> Hi rindolf 19:21:22 <MrsB> Thanks to everyone who took part in the election process, both volunteers and voters 19:21:43 <MrsB> We now have Myself, DavidWHodgins and lewyssmith as leaders 19:22:10 <MrsB> Lewis won't be taking a council seat so we held elections to fill that role 19:22:33 <MrsB> Congratulation to wilcal who was elected 19:22:38 <wilcal> Take bow 19:22:40 <lewyssmith> Great! 19:22:43 <MrsB> all happy? 19:22:45 <wilcal> takes bow 19:23:13 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith DavidWHodgins 19:23:13 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith 19:23:31 <MrsB> #topic Who's new? 19:23:44 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 19:24:18 <MrsB> doesn't look like it 19:24:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6 Plasma with neoclust 19:24:24 <MrsB> thanks dave 19:24:34 <MrsB> So welcome to neoclust :) 19:24:57 <MrsB> As you all know there have been numerous issues with plasma so far 19:25:05 <MrsB> did you all bring a list? 19:25:15 <neoclust> MrsB: you lie ;) 19:25:21 <MrsB> *shock* 19:25:39 <MrsB> where do you want to start Nicolas? 19:26:04 <neoclust> i want to read your questions, and try to help 19:26:13 <neoclust> you may have "blocker" things 19:26:17 <Linuxero> Hi all 19:26:19 <neoclust> bugs, etc 19:26:22 <Linuxero> Akien: thanks 19:26:23 <rindolf> Linuxero: hi. 19:26:24 <MrsB> ok thanks. This is really over to you now then guys 19:26:32 <tjandrews> Actually, I haven't had many issues except for look and feel, once I finally got it to install... 19:26:41 <MrsB> Who has a plasma bug? 19:26:42 <Linuxero> neoclust: I'm lost, but i got the tarball 19:26:48 <Linuxero> rindolf: hi 19:26:54 <neoclust> Linuxero: go on #mageia-dev please :) 19:27:00 <wilcal> I can't tell you if they are bugs or features :-0 19:27:05 <Linuxero> neoclust: ok 19:27:11 <tjandrews> Two volume controls? 19:27:15 <MrsB> let loose then wilcal neoclust can help :) 19:27:17 <neoclust> tjandrews: fixed on last isos 19:27:22 <rindolf> neoclust: right now I'm running into this problem - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18130#c1 19:27:22 <Linuxero> MrsB: Arabic is not well-rendered in plasma 19:27:24 <[mbot> Bug 18130: major, Normal, mageia, NEW , unable to install plasma5 libKF5Kipi.so.30.0.0 required, task-plasma5 19:27:34 <neoclust> tjandrews: we now only install plasma-pa, not kmix anymore 19:27:43 <wilcal> first and foremost 19:27:44 <wilcal> Today on real hardware I attempted a boot.iso that failed. The boot.iso app worked but not the installed 19:27:46 <wilcal> I was successful to install the 6dev1 CI and that updated with only a couple minor complaints 19:28:04 <wilcal> so I can create a working platform 19:28:07 <neoclust> rindolf: i am fixing digikam build , so consider this as fixed 19:28:18 <rindolf> neoclust: ok. 19:28:30 <neoclust> ennael: this is an issue for you :) 19:28:34 <wilcal> can I start with something extremely basic 19:28:43 <MrsB> arabic issue from your student neoclust 19:29:17 <wilcal> ready 19:29:33 <MrsB> yep, it'll help if there is a bug report too tho 19:30:12 <wilcal> in KDE a ctrl-f8 presents a screen with the working desktops. That is supposed to work in Plasma and does not at all 19:30:24 <wilcal> bug or feature? 19:30:30 <hviaene> How many dev steps are considered/planned now?? 19:30:53 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Council hasn't decided yet. 19:30:56 <Linuxero> Plasma is flickering when opening new windows, minimising or maximising, changing windows...etc 19:31:30 <neoclust> can we do "bugs/features" at once ? 19:31:34 <neoclust> i am a little lost now 19:32:16 <hviaene> I have no blocking bugs for dev2 if at least a dev3 is to follow 19:32:41 <MrsB> so far we have arabic issues, window flickering when minimised/maximised as bugs 19:32:57 <neoclust> is there a bugreport for arabic issues ? 19:33:05 <MrsB> Linuxero: ? 19:33:37 <hviaene> You want me to list all my Plasma bugs?? 19:33:50 <ennael> hi there 19:33:52 <neoclust> hviaene: list "no", report "yes" 19:34:02 <wilcal> I'm not convinced that a "Plasma Bug" is appropriate right now 19:34:03 <tarazed> Morning Anne 19:34:04 <neoclust> hviaene: but we need to see if this is mageia bug or an upstream bug 19:34:05 <Linuxero> I confirmed the arabic bug by mustafa and I cannot remember if I reported one for plasma. I'll check 19:34:23 <MrsB> morning ennael 19:34:33 <Linuxero> MrsB: the whole desktop flickers 19:34:36 <neoclust> Linuxero: if still valid please report it "upstream" and add me as cc: 19:34:36 <wilcal> hello Anne 19:34:45 <MrsB> herman do you have bug reports for them all? 19:35:00 <Linuxero> neoclust: it is still valid. I'll do 19:35:04 <hviaene> Bug 17958 - Dolphin crashes when copying file into same directory 19:35:05 <neoclust> can i tell something really really really important ? 19:35:20 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: Go ahead 19:35:22 <wilcal> yes 19:35:26 <hviaene> yes 19:35:32 <neoclust> For bugreports in plasma 19:35:39 <neoclust> i want to clarify something 19:35:57 <neoclust> and this is a discussion that took place on KDE MLs too 19:36:06 <neoclust> if a bug is Distro specific 19:36:25 <neoclust> it MUST be reported on the distro bugtracker ( our bugzilla ) 19:36:32 <neoclust> if this is a KDE/PLASMA bug 19:36:48 <neoclust> it MUST be reported on kde bugzilla ( bugs.kde.org ) 19:36:55 <neoclust> this way the resolution is quicker 19:37:03 <MrsB> aswell as though rather than instead of 19:37:17 <neoclust> MrsB: what ? 19:37:24 <MrsB> How will the QA team know if a bug is distro specific? 19:37:31 <wilcal> I can't honestly tell you I know enough about Plasma to be able to decide either way 19:37:32 <DavidWHodgins> Report on both kde bugzilla and our bugzilla 19:38:16 <lewyssmith> [Thanks Dave] 19:38:38 <hviaene> That would defeat what the plasma pepple want 19:38:46 <hviaene> people 19:38:57 <tarazed> And if you think it is a plasma bug indicate that the report will be cloned. 19:39:03 <wilcal> If I knew what Plasma was supposed to do then maybe that would help 19:39:05 <hviaene> And I can see their point 19:39:10 <Linuxero> neoclust: how can i add you to the bug report? https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18146 19:39:12 <[mbot> Bug 18146: critical, High, bugsquad, NEW , Plasma Arabic Dialogs and Windows are scrabbled 19:39:38 <MrsB> enter 'neoclust' into the CC field Linuxero 19:39:48 <neoclust> Linuxero: i told on kde bugzilla :p 19:40:06 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i don't think adding on our bugzilla TOO is needed 19:40:13 <rindolf> good night, everyone - I'm too tired. 19:40:17 <rindolf> bye all. 19:40:19 <wilcal> nite rin 19:40:23 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Have a good night 19:40:25 <Linuxero> I tried, but i get a non-match error!! 19:40:28 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: but you can add me as cc: so i follow the bugreports and add the patches when needed 19:40:39 <MrsB> neoclust: how will we know which bugs to report on KDE bugzill and which bugs to report on our bugzilla? 19:40:44 <Linuxero> rindolf: bye 19:40:57 <wilcal> Absolutely MrsB 19:41:14 <neoclust> MrsB: you see if this is missing requies, etc. You QA'ed :) 19:41:18 <wilcal> I've tried two other Plasma Distros and both work different;y 19:41:26 <wilcal> what's right? 19:41:36 <MrsB> I think it's better if we start with our bugzilla and report upstream when advised 19:41:37 <tjandrews> We in QA are of varying skill levels. 19:41:45 <neoclust> wilcal: so this is missing deps maybe 19:41:54 <neoclust> MrsB: so we can add a bug keyword 19:41:54 <DavidWHodgins> I think it's better to have on both bugzillas with a reference to the kde one on ours, just in case it turns out to be distro specific, and not an upstream bug 19:41:59 <neoclust> MrsB: UPSTREAM 19:42:05 <MrsB> many who test the ISOs are quite novice neoclust 19:42:11 <wilcal> I fully understand we are very early in all this not only for Mageia but other Distros 19:42:12 <neoclust> MrsB: to close bugreports and ask to report upstream 19:42:17 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Do the other distros *work* ? 19:42:20 <neoclust> MrsB: i think this is a good compromise 19:42:43 <MrsB> yes sure, just let people know when to report upstream and we can do that 19:42:49 <wilcal> I tried openSUSE and some parts of Plasma there does strange things 19:42:59 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Hello Ben. 19:43:02 <neoclust> MrsB: i think we can do this way 19:43:10 <wilcal> Kubuntu is another. Which one is closer to being correct 19:43:32 <Benmc> Lewis, QA, good morning 19:43:47 <MrsB> #info When reporting bugs for plasma you may also need to report them upstream on the kde bugzilla (bugs.kde.org). If you are asked or if somebody adds the UPSTREAM keyword to your bug report, please report it to kde also. 19:43:50 <neoclust> MrsB: can you ask to create the bug resolution CLOSED/UPSTREAM ? 19:43:54 <hviaene> I have a Mint 17.3 DVD, I can install it in Vbox 19:44:09 <wilcal> If we could designate a Plasma Distro that I/we can use as an example that would help greatly 19:44:21 <TheSuperGeek> hviaene: mint don't ship plasma 5 19:44:24 <wilcal> I found differences there too 19:44:32 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: Should our bugzilla bug be closed before the fix is made upstream and applied to our release? 19:44:37 <brian_> like wilcal - I've used kubuntu flavor and opensuse 42 version 19:44:52 <wilcal> those are the two that I have played with 19:44:56 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes, we close WHEN we report upstream and we add the upstream bugreport in our bugzilla 19:44:56 <hviaene> Mint 17.3 is supposed to??? I did not check yet 19:45:07 <MrsB> #action MrsB to ask for our bugzilla to have a new bug resolution as CLOSED/UPSTREAM 19:45:08 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: so we keep track and i make sure i am cc: of the bugreport 19:45:17 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: this will allow to filter 19:45:29 <brian_> how about if it doesn't work we do bugzilla. up to dev to move upstream upon research? 19:45:29 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: if we keep all open this is hard to see real mga bugs 19:45:32 <DavidWHodgins> I don't like that, as people reporting bugs normally only search open bugs, so we will end up with more duplicate bug reports 19:45:35 <Akien> neoclust: Just close it as RESOLVED/MOVED 19:45:47 <TheSuperGeek> hviaene: only on mint 18 19:45:47 <Akien> With the UPSTREAM keyword that we already have 19:46:08 <neoclust> Akien: i don't care about the words as long as it allow us to have the best plasma :) 19:46:20 <MrsB> Which way would you prefer neoclust? 19:46:37 <hviaene> bad luck, but the same has opensuse leap 42.1, i could try that one on my own bugs 19:46:41 <neoclust> MrsB: as long as it works for QA i am OK 19:46:48 <neoclust> MrsB: Akien solution is OK for me 19:47:12 <neoclust> MrsB: as long as there is the upstream bugreport on our bugreport and as long as i am a cc: on the upstream bugreport :) 19:47:23 <MrsB> #info cancel that action. Neoclust will use CLOSED/MOVED with UPSTREAM keyword to filter bugs reported upstream. 19:47:26 <neoclust> MrsB: as RESOLVED/MOVED already exist this is OK 19:47:42 <neoclust> MrsB: I or QA will use it ;) 19:47:52 <wilcal> there are clearly functions in opensuse 42.1 leap that work that don't in M6 19:47:53 <MrsB> you will need to monitor this 19:47:56 <lewyssmith> The policy to follow must be circulated on qa-discuss. 19:48:05 <wilcal> is that a bug? 19:48:11 <MrsB> lewis yes indeed 19:48:17 <neoclust> MrsB: i can ask QA to create upstream bugreport ? this is OK for you ? 19:48:19 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, is that close our bug report or not? 19:48:25 <MrsB> and probably a reminder when we start isos again 19:48:34 <MrsB> yesof course neoclust 19:48:41 <neoclust> MrsB: ok for me then 19:48:48 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I think closed, moved, upstream. 19:49:05 <wilcal> I think when we get the next round of Live media maybe a lot of this will come into focus 19:49:11 <MrsB> we will start with a bug report on our bugzilla, as normal, and you ask for any relevant ones to be reported upstream instead. 19:49:19 <DavidWHodgins> We will have to change our bug reporting to not only search open bug reports then 19:49:22 <wilcal> Like the ctrl-f8 thingy 19:50:23 <MrsB> #info We'll need to alter our bug searches to also search for 6dev1,2 etc with CLOSED/MOVED and UPSTEAM keyword 19:50:24 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Our bug should refer to the KDE one, obviously. Then that can be followed if interested. 19:51:03 <MrsB> Do you want to go through some bugs tonight neoclust? 19:51:03 <DavidWHodgins> I'm against closing our bug report till the bug is fixed in our packages 19:51:22 <neoclust> MrsB: i want to add a word on the systray bug 19:51:25 <wilcal> Agreed David 19:51:28 <neoclust> i am back in 30seconds 19:51:31 <MrsB> k 19:51:55 <MrsB> that's a good point dave 19:52:07 <wilcal> can we agree that opensuse 42.1 is at least a general example of the way Plasma should work 19:52:17 <MrsB> no idea 19:52:22 <neoclust> back 19:52:22 <DavidWHodgins> I'm fine with reporting to upstream and adding a keyword, but not with closing 19:52:25 <neoclust> wilcal: no 19:52:34 <wilcal> why is that neo? 19:52:53 <neoclust> wilcal: this is good but i think kubuntu neon can be better 19:52:53 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Sensible, Dave. The important thing is that the method is clearly understood. 19:53:00 <neoclust> but i want US to be the reference ;) 19:53:06 <MrsB> neoclust: Dave has suggested we don't close our bug reports until any upstream fix has been included in our packages 19:53:13 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Let's keep discussion here about Mageia, not other distros 19:53:21 <wilcal> Ahhhhh now i have something to work with Neo made my day 19:53:25 <neoclust> MrsB: i am against this will make our work harder 19:53:31 <neoclust> MrsB: we can : 19:53:36 <neoclust> CLose as MOVED 19:53:45 <wilcal> but our plasma is so badly flawed I don't know how it is supposed to work 19:53:47 <neoclust> MrsB: and Closed as Resolved when patches are added 19:53:59 <neoclust> wilcal: this is wrong it works fine 19:54:07 <neoclust> so systray bug 19:54:24 <DavidWHodgins> But people reporting bugs normally only search open bug reports. We'll have to change our reporting strategy to also search closed bugs. 19:54:31 <neoclust> MrsB: i talked with tv and he will work on our apps to migrate them to GNotifications 19:54:39 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Between you & Nicolas, Dave. 19:54:42 <MrsB> That's workable neoclust. Will need to create some saved searches though to work around the closed bug issue 19:54:53 <DavidWHodgins> Also, once fixed upstream, I don't think it should be closed on ours till the fix is applied to our packages 19:55:50 <DavidWHodgins> I think it would be easier for the few devs working on plasma to filter out bug reports with the upstream keyword 19:55:53 <MrsB> #info neoclust talked with tv and he will work to alter our apps to use GNotifications which should fix the systray issue 19:56:44 <MrsB> As long as it's a process we can all work with, i don't think it matters 19:56:49 <neoclust> MrsB: DavidWHodgins : for the bugreports do how this is best for you to triage handle bugreports :) 19:56:51 <hviaene> Have to go, g'night all 19:56:58 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: On reflexion, I agree with you on this. 19:57:02 <wilcal> nite hvi 19:57:04 <MrsB> Nite herman 19:57:30 <MrsB> traditionally we'd keep a ug report open until resolved in our package 19:57:33 <MrsB> bug 19:57:54 <DavidWHodgins> Or closed as wontfix etc. 19:58:00 <neoclust> MrsB: so be it 19:58:14 <MrsB> Will that work for you? 19:58:26 <DavidWHodgins> Do we have an UPSTREAM keyword? 19:59:19 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: Akien told yes so i trust him :) 19:59:39 <DavidWHodgins> bugzilla is not responding right now, of course. :-) 19:59:55 <MrsB> here either 20:00:19 <MrsB> Will that method work ok for your purposes neoclust? 20:00:35 <neoclust> MrsB: i will adapt :) 20:00:47 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: Thanks. :-) 20:01:01 <MrsB> Ok thanks. That will simplify things from a triaging perspective. Keeps everything the same 20:01:27 <tjandrews> Reminds me of Seven-of-Nine. ;^) 20:01:38 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:01:58 <MrsB> #info Changed: If a bug is reported upstream we will leave open with UPSTREAM keyword added until the fix in included in our packages 20:02:18 <MrsB> #info this aligns the process with other areas 20:02:27 <MrsB> all hapy on that? 20:02:30 <MrsB> p 20:02:35 <DavidWHodgins> Happy here. :-) 20:02:58 <lewyssmith> Agree. 20:02:58 <wilcal> yes sounds like a good way to start making sense of this 20:03:03 <MrsB> Do you want to go through some bug reports now neoclust? 20:03:32 <MrsB> ro shall we start by triaging the ones we have and reporting upstream 20:03:34 <MrsB> or 20:04:13 <neoclust> MrsB: i would start by triaging 20:04:17 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should triage the ones we have first, and leave going through individual reports for another time 20:04:26 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: yes! 20:04:36 <DavidWHodgins> Like around version freeze 20:04:50 <neoclust> MrsB: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17523 20:04:56 <neoclust> MrsB: let start by this :) 20:05:15 <neoclust> MrsB: when bugzilla will be fixed 20:05:31 <MrsB> if only there was a sysadmin.. 20:05:47 <DavidWHodgins> tmb is rebooting alamut now 20:05:47 <wilcal> so back to my specific example ctrl-f8 that's a mageia bug not upstream? 20:05:51 <neoclust> MrsB: we are here :) 20:05:56 <neoclust> MrsB: alamut is rebooting 20:06:01 <MrsB> cool 20:06:10 <neoclust> MrsB: sysadmins are always around :) 20:06:20 <MrsB> could you advise wilcal neoclust please 20:06:31 <neoclust> MrsB: of what ? 20:06:36 <MrsB> go wilcal 20:06:36 <neoclust> ah 20:06:49 <neoclust> ctrl+f8 ? 20:06:57 <wilcal> the ctrl-f8 function not working on M6 but working on opensuse 20:07:06 <neoclust> what is it supposed to do ? 20:07:12 <lewyssmith> ! 20:07:16 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't do anything on my Mageia 5 system. Specific shortcut added? 20:07:25 <wilcal> a ctrl-f8 in plasma presents the avalable desktops. Works in M5 too but not in Plasma 20:07:39 <wilcal> should present in plasma but does not 20:07:48 <neoclust> wilcal: i don't agree 20:07:50 <neoclust> you know why ? 20:07:59 <wilcal> why 20:08:08 <neoclust> ctrl + fx go to the selected "desktop" 20:08:16 <neoclust> ctrl + f2 => desktop 2 etc 20:08:29 <neoclust> what if i have 8 desktops ? 20:08:36 <neoclust> here for ex i have 6 20:08:41 <wilcal> i have seen docs in opensuse 42.1 that say it should work 20:08:56 <neoclust> wilcal: i accept the link :) 20:09:03 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. That's why I don't see anything. I always cut number of desktops to 1. 20:09:18 <MrsB> it should on opensuse i suppose. I suspect it's a suse feature 20:09:35 <wilcal> i only use this as an example of trying to decipher bugs vs features 20:09:44 <DavidWHodgins> bugzilla is back 20:09:52 <wilcal> and it works on Mageia M5 20:10:04 <wilcal> works on this m5 laptop 20:10:17 <neoclust> wilcal: are desktop effects enable for you ? 20:10:18 <Luigi12_work> yeah it works on mga5 here 20:10:54 <lewyssmith> [TheSuperGeek: Envoye-moi un courriel avec ta question.] 20:11:13 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: how about the similar feature of the top-left hot corner that presents the windows when you move your mouse there? 20:11:25 <neoclust> Luigi12_work: from what i read this is supposed to work ONLY if desktop effects are ON 20:11:31 <neoclust> Luigi12_work: maybe this is the pb here 20:11:37 <Luigi12_work> neoclust: that sounds likely 20:11:47 <MrsB> kwin effects in kde 20:11:56 <wilcal> anyway lets not try to solve this here I'm only trying to figure out what's a bug vs a feature 20:12:41 <wilcal> there's widget called "Pager" that I've also tinkered with 20:12:44 <DavidWHodgins> Ok to move on? 20:12:48 <MrsB> #info Is it a bug or a feature? If in doubt, ask and feel free to create a bug report anyway. 20:13:01 <wilcal> presents the the desktops on the panel 20:13:11 <wilcal> that will help greatly MrsB 20:13:14 <neoclust> "You can also use the desktop grid effect to get a big overview of your virtual desktops, try pressing Ctrl+F8 (requires desktop effects support" 20:13:48 <wilcal> exactly neo and that does not seem to work in my M6 Plasma installs 20:14:14 <wilcal> so I have to turn on "desktop effects" somewhere? 20:14:18 <neoclust> wilcal: please report in our bugzilla 20:14:20 <MrsB> Neoclust, could you go through current bugs then please (not now) and advise which to upstream 20:14:26 <wilcal> got it 20:14:42 <MrsB> We'll make sure everyone knows what to do 20:14:56 <wilcal> that's why he's here today :-))) 20:15:04 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16589 => UPSTREAM 20:15:05 <[mbot> Bug 16589: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , dolphin's Detailed View Mousewheel scrolling is very small at all settings, dolphin-15.07.90-2.mga6.src.rpm 20:15:11 <MrsB> ahaa now then, ok 20:15:31 <MrsB> SOme of these may not be reported by the QA team 20:15:34 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16850 => "I THINK" UPSTREAM 20:15:35 <[mbot> Bug 16850: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , Plasma 5 cannot restore its session (running applications not plasmoids), plasma-workspace-5.4.1, plasma-desktop-5.4.1 20:15:45 <neoclust> MrsB: you see i am not always 100% sure ;) 20:16:17 <neoclust> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16940 => UPSTREAM 20:16:18 <[mbot> Bug 16940: major, Normal, mageia, NEW , Selecting both edge and two-finger scrolling in plasma 5 silently disables edge scrolling, kcm-touchpad 20:16:21 <MrsB> yes, but just ask on the bug to report upstream and we'll make sure the QA guys know what/why/how to do so 20:16:53 <neoclust> MrsB: i will do it 20:16:59 <MrsB> cool, thanks 20:17:07 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for being here today neoclust 20:17:11 <neoclust> MrsB: how ? because there is already bugreports where i ask to report upstream :) 20:17:19 <wilcal> huge help thanks 20:17:28 <lewyssmith> Looks worth agreeing privately the procedure before posting it on the mailList. 20:17:48 <MrsB> The first step is for us to let QA people know 20:18:12 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. I didn't know we have an upstream keyword 20:18:18 <neoclust> MrsB: how ? there is an email to add as CC: ? 20:18:24 <neoclust> a keyword to use ? 20:18:38 <MrsB> neoclust perhaps put an email together to qa-discuss which ones to upstream 20:18:50 <lewyssmith> See -6 20:19:21 <neoclust> MrsB: add extra steps :) 20:19:46 <MrsB> Well when we know, we can get everybody to do it 20:19:48 <neoclust> MrsB: btw i will update to plasma 5.6.2 20:20:20 <DavidWHodgins> I think it's just a matter of informing everyone that when reporting a bug on plasma, that is likely a bug in plasma itself, to also report it to bugs.kde.org, reference the kde bug report on our bug report, and add the upstream keyword on our bug report 20:20:34 <MrsB> Ill send emails to qa-d and dev ML tomorrow. possibly also discuss 20:20:34 <DavidWHodgins> neoclust: eta? 20:20:51 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i will update on the svn in some minutes 20:21:00 <neoclust> DavidWHodgins: i will mail on dev@ to inform :) 20:21:10 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks 20:21:16 <TheSuperGeek> lewyssmith: ok i'll do it tomorow 20:21:24 <wilcal> we need that stake in the ground Live media 20:21:33 <Luigi12_work> Plasma 5.6.3 is soon too 20:21:35 <TheSuperGeek> Nite all ! 20:21:40 <MrsB> nite TheSuperGeek 20:21:41 <wilcal> nite super 20:21:47 <TheSuperGeek> thx 20:21:57 <MrsB> Has this helped to assess any timescales? 20:22:03 <lewyssmith> [TheSuperGeek: Mieux ; c'est tard] 20:22:17 <MrsB> possibly will do when we have an accurate idea of packaging bugs 20:22:46 <MrsB> Shall we move on? 20:22:52 <wilcal> yes whewww 20:22:54 <MrsB> Thanks neoclust for being here 20:22:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems? 20:23:19 <lewyssmith> vtun = ? Mercurial = ? 20:23:21 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 20:23:28 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:23:44 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18135 20:23:45 <[mbot> Bug 18135: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , vtun new DoS security issue, vtun-3.0.2-10.mga5.src.rpm 20:23:57 <MrsB> mercurial we've updated before, it's a versioning thing like git/svn 20:24:00 <wilcal> any help here would help :-) 20:24:11 <tjandrews> I will check Thunderbird 64-bit after we are done here. 20:24:29 <DavidWHodgins> Never used vtun before. Looks like it's best tested with multiple vbox guests running. I'll look at it after the meeting 20:24:36 <wilcal> docs I found tend to be complex. I'm looking for something useful and simple 20:24:58 <wilcal> Ya I'd like to tinker with it too 20:25:01 <MrsB> vtun is a first update, not seen before so we'll have to look into it 20:25:03 <wilcal> sounds useful 20:25:09 <lewyssmith> The rest look OK. 20:25:24 <wilcal> bte the youtube-dl thingy is really super 20:25:49 <wilcal> tiny app hugely useful 20:25:57 <MrsB> tmb: will you be able to look at xymon or rather we push it as-is? 20:26:02 <wilcal> never knew it was there 20:26:56 <lewyssmith> I can try Postgres. But I have mixed versions. How can I upgrade to the later one without screwing databases etc? 20:27:14 <tmb> lewyssmith, you cant... 20:27:18 <MrsB> i believe you backup and repopulate 20:27:30 <lewyssmith> Oh dear... 20:27:31 <tmb> lewyssmith, iw you want to switch, then dump dataabase before 20:27:33 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Best to use a vbox guest for something like that 20:27:46 <wilcal> Vbox is best 20:27:47 <DavidWHodgins> snapshot, test, revert 20:27:49 <lewyssmith> No VBox. 20:28:13 <MrsB> incompatibility is the reason we have sevral versions 20:28:30 <DavidWHodgins> Makes it harder to revert without a seperate test environment 20:28:56 <lewyssmith> Can you have both versions installed & running? 20:29:10 <MrsB> no, due to libpg5 20:29:15 <MrsB> or whatever it is 20:29:26 <Luigi12_work> actually oden fixed it so the library isn't an issue 20:29:32 <Luigi12_work> it's everything else in the package that is the issue :o( 20:29:47 <MrsB> in that case, yes :) 20:29:55 <MrsB> but probably no 20:30:08 <lewyssmith> So we need two people each with a different version. 20:30:46 <MrsB> i think most use mariadb so can easily remove postgres to try a dfferent version 20:31:01 <lewyssmith> I like to be different... 20:31:04 <DavidWHodgins> That's why I have seperate test environments I can backup/restore, on both real hardware and in vb. 20:31:07 <MrsB> test which you can lewis and say which you can't. If you're familair with it it'll be a better tets anyway 20:31:13 <wilcal> Ahhhhh we have another Flash update. It's been a few weeks :-) 20:31:56 <DavidWHodgins> Surprise, surprise. Another 0-day flash security bug 20:31:57 <MrsB> We all know what we're doing then? 20:32:13 <wilcal> list under control too 20:32:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates 20:32:19 <MrsB> yeah looking good atm 20:32:28 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:32:32 <MrsB> over to David 20:32:43 <Luigi12_work> apache-commons-collections needs to be updated to 3.2.2 (hopefully david_david can take care of that) 20:32:44 <MrsB> Flash is a major one making news headlines 20:32:55 <MrsB> actively exploited etc 20:33:05 <Luigi12_work> networkmanager has some minor security issues, but we probably won't update that since the maintainer refuses to help with stable releases 20:33:21 <Luigi12_work> that's all 20:33:28 <lewyssmith> Coo. 20:33:44 <DavidWHodgins> If the maintainer won't help with stable releases, it should be dropped from cauldron before version freeze 20:33:45 <tjandrews> How did THAT happen??? 20:33:49 <MrsB> #info apache-commons-collections needs version bump, david_david handling. networkmanager has small issues but no maintainer in stable :\ 20:34:06 <MrsB> Akien: ^^ 20:34:29 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well, unfortunately we cant really drop networkmanager :) 20:34:31 <tjandrews> I meant such a short list this week. 20:34:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:34:44 <MrsB> Nice list Luigi12_work thanks :) 20:35:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 20:35:12 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:35:14 <lewyssmith> Not here. 20:35:30 <wilcal> i'm done again thanks to neo 20:35:41 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here 20:35:54 <MrsB> Thanks then everybody and special thanks to our special guest 20:36:04 <MrsB> T - 5 20:36:07 <MrsB> 4 20:36:08 <MrsB> 3 20:36:10 <MrsB> 2 20:36:11 <MrsB> 1 20:36:15 <MrsB> #endmeeting