19:03:36 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:03:36 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Mar 31 19:03:36 2016 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:36 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:52 <MrsB> Hi everyone, welcome to another one 19:04:07 <TheSuperGeek> Hi ! 19:04:20 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:04:20 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith wilcal 19:04:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic QA team election roundup 19:04:30 <MrsB> Thanks dave dude 19:04:54 <MrsB> As you know, we allowed until now for everybody who wanted to vote, to vote 19:04:55 <lewyssmith> Looks like Hobson's choice. 19:05:10 <wilcal> congrats to all on the election :-)) 19:05:16 <DavidWHodgins> Big thanks to wilcal for your prior work as a deputy leader. Welcome lewyssmith as a new deputy leader 19:05:24 <MrsB> I think we all owe a big Thankyou to wilcal who did a great job last year as deputy 19:05:36 <tarazed> Hear hear! 19:05:45 <lewyssmith> I wanted him to contue. 19:05:48 <wilcal> thank you all I'm gonna continue doing what I'm do'n 19:06:13 <MrsB> Let's all welcome Lewis as a new leader in the team :) 19:06:25 <rindolf> welcome Lewis! Thanks and good luck. 19:06:36 <Benmc> 'applause"" 19:06:39 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: you aren't the leader now ? 19:06:48 * TheSuperGeek applause to ! 19:06:50 <TheSuperGeek> *too 19:06:53 <MrsB> #info Thanks to wilcal for last year. Welcome to Lewis this year. 19:06:54 <lewyssmith> Oh yes she is. 19:07:12 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Is the leader, /me and lewyssmith are deputy leaders 19:07:13 <TheSuperGeek> lewyssmith: so what do you do ? 19:07:14 <MrsB> There were 24 votes all in support of the 3 volunteers 19:07:26 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: ok 19:07:26 <lewyssmith> TheSuperGeek: Deputy. 19:07:34 <TheSuperGeek> lewyssmith: ok :) 19:07:50 <MrsB> #info 24 people voted in support of the leaders, Mrsb, DavidWHodgins & lewyssmith 19:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> Only difference is if the leader and deputy leaders disagree on something. The leader has final say 19:07:58 <MrsB> So it's official 19:08:28 <MrsB> well done everyone and thanks for voting. 19:09:07 <MrsB> I'll email the council later 19:09:19 <MrsB> Are there any questions about any of this? 19:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> Do we need a sysadmin to add lewyssmith to the council ldap group? 19:09:58 <lewyssmith> Don't bother. 19:10:16 <MrsB> yes, there will be a few to do from different teams. email to council should do get the ball rolling though 19:10:38 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Being a deputy leader means you are now on the council too 19:10:59 <lewyssmith> In theory only. Not my scene. 19:11:05 <MrsB> It's not mandatory 19:11:07 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:11:19 <MrsB> one step at a time ;) 19:11:23 <wilcal> anyone can join the council meeting and express their views 19:11:23 <DavidWHodgins> We could keep wilcal as a council rep if you both agree 19:11:33 <wilcal> yes I'll be there 19:11:53 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I *like* that. 19:12:02 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Ok with you? 19:12:34 <MrsB> Yeah, it's not the first time there will have been a different leader & concil rep in other teams 19:12:43 <MrsB> u 19:12:53 <MrsB> bit slow today sorry, I'm quite tired 19:12:59 <lewyssmith> We could discuss this sort of thing privately among ourselves. 19:13:04 <MrsB> yep 19:13:23 <MrsB> We should formally elect a council rep though 19:13:40 <MrsB> ask for volunteers etc 19:14:02 * TheSuperGeek is a bit lost in the dee 19:14:06 <TheSuperGeek> *deep 19:14:14 <DavidWHodgins> So hold off notifying council about the election result till that's sorted 19:14:26 <MrsB> Let's move on for now anyway, congrats Lewis and thanks everybody again for getting involved in the process 19:14:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:14:53 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today? 19:15:25 <Bequimao> *Bequimao - me 19:15:35 <MrsB> hi there Bequimao 19:15:44 <lewyssmith> Welcome. 19:15:53 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team 19:16:07 <TheSuperGeek> hello Bequimao 19:16:23 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself and the others will do the same 19:16:27 <brian__> hi welcome 19:16:32 <Bequimao> hi, I am German and member of the brazilian Epidemic Linux team. 19:16:41 <tjandrews> A bleary-eyed welcome from me, too. (Just woke from a nap) 19:17:09 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Where do you live? 19:17:11 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, 55, from London, Ontario, Canada. Background is in IBM mainframe software development. Been a deputy leader of the qa team since the first election of leaders 19:17:16 <Benmc> Hi, Benmc, from New Zealand, still learning QA 19:17:21 <lewyssmith> Sorry, for Bequimao 19:17:35 <MrsB> I'm Claire, deepest darkest Black Country, UK. Current QA team leader, admit to being 38. 19:17:46 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:18:03 <TheSuperGeek> Bequimao: I'm TheSuperGeek, living in France, learning QA here 19:18:21 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 19:18:23 <tjandrews> Tom (TJ) Andrews, a farmer in Central New York State, USA 19:18:29 <TheSuperGeek> but i didn't do anything for the moment :P 19:18:30 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: I am a Celtic ex-pat living in France. 19:18:39 <tarazed> From Edinburgh,; 50 years programming, 38 in astronomical instrumentation. 19:18:57 <alfred_> Bequimao: Hi Ulrich, nice to see you here 19:19:03 <brian__> brian - Illinois, USA 19:19:07 <MrsB> Are you joining the team Bequimao? 19:19:39 <rindolf> hi Benmc 19:19:43 <rindolf> hi Bequimao 19:19:57 <rindolf> Benmc: i'm Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel. 19:20:22 <Bequimao> * Bequimao - cannot say it now. I am interested in btrfs, uefi, kdepim ... 19:20:34 <rindolf> Benmc: you can learn more about me from my homepage at http://www.shlomifish.org/ . 19:20:35 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ] 19:20:37 <Benmc> Hiya rindolf 19:20:56 <rindolf> Benmc: that was directed to Bequimao 19:21:11 <rindolf> Benmc: sorry, but nice to know you too. 19:21:26 <DavidWHodgins> Bequimao: Have you joined the qa-discuss mailing list? 19:21:43 <Bequimao> I wrote a few bug reports in the past. Mailing list: yes. 19:21:53 <Ages> David, Colorado, USA 19:22:06 <rindolf> Ages: nice. 19:22:11 <MrsB> There is also qa-bugs, did you join both our lists? 19:22:32 <TheSuperGeek> There's a lot of david in here :) 19:23:03 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: qa-discuss is the most important. 19:23:03 <Ages> rindolf: busy day, getting caught up in qa in spats :) 19:24:25 <MrsB> Well, welcome aboard anyway 19:24:35 <rindolf> Ages: nice. 19:24:53 <MrsB> Is you primary interest testing new releases or testing updates - or just don't know yet? 19:26:00 <MrsB> gone already :\ 19:26:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates 19:26:25 <MrsB> Are there any scary looking ones there? 19:26:37 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:26:39 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:26:41 * rindolf only tested the kernel. 19:26:46 <rindolf> recently at least. 19:26:59 <MrsB> the kernel is waiting to be updated again, don't spend too much time on it 19:27:18 <brian__> ok good - 4.4.6 seemed buggy 19:27:18 <MrsB> Any grey ones are awaiting feedback/action/information from the packager 19:27:47 <MrsB> we discussed this at the meeting last week if you remember 19:28:11 <MrsB> So there are only 5 active updates \o/ 19:28:12 <brian__> did I read correctly that 18101, 18102 pretty much go hand in hand? 19:28:22 <DavidWHodgins> speech-dispatcher has a simple test procedure 19:28:25 <wilcal> lots of moving parts in that kernel update 19:28:40 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: Yes 19:28:44 <brian__> <MrsB> yes understood and stopped 19:28:46 <wilcal> i just knocked off proftpd 19:29:21 <lewyssmith> I hope you noted how to drive it - I could not fathom that. 19:29:22 <DavidWHodgins> looks like 18101 should depend on 18102 19:29:26 <MrsB> php has a file module, the file update is related but separate - but essentially does the same thing from cli 19:29:27 <tmb> well, feel free to keep testing/running the 4.4.6 kernel so we know if other regressions pop up.. 19:29:41 <tjandrews> Looks like a rather long list waiting to be pushed. 19:29:43 <tarazed> Yeah, I might look at 18102 but not php 19:29:52 <brian__> i'll mess with php 19:30:07 <tarazed> Good, I always come to grief 19:30:07 <tmb> I will try to release a new kernel this weekend... 19:30:08 <MrsB> yes perhaps it should, it probably uses libmagic 19:30:11 <Luigi12_work> php doesn't actually use the file package, it has its own bundled version of the code, so the bugs don't depend on each other 19:30:12 <brian__> 18101 - I'll include 102 as well 19:30:16 <Ages> i can test php with dokuwiki, if that is an ok test 19:30:25 <DavidWHodgins> php is pretty simple to test. We usually just test that applications like phpmyadmin work ok 19:30:31 <MrsB> ok cool, so totally separate 19:30:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ages: Yes 19:30:43 <brian__> ok i'll attack PHP then, welcome the company though 19:31:11 <MrsB> file itself is v.easy to test $ file * 19:31:11 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Ok, thanks for the clarification 19:31:21 <tjandrews> I'll be happy to check out virtualbox on my 64-bit install when it's ready. 19:31:38 <Luigi12_work> for the file update you can probably use the test case from the PHP commit since it includes one. I didn't paste the link to the php commit though. 19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> #info New kernel updates for Mageia 5 expected this weekend 19:31:54 <tjandrews> That would be the one without the kernel update. 19:32:12 <Luigi12_work> I heard a rumor that 5.0.17 is out too 19:32:20 <Luigi12_work> didn't verify it yet :o) 19:32:58 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, but 5.0.17 is considered "devel"... there should be a 5.0.18 in the pipeline too soon-ish I think 19:33:09 <Luigi12_work> tmb: ooh ok I didn't know, thanks 19:33:12 <MrsB> kernel? 19:33:24 <Luigi12_work> virtualbox 19:33:27 <MrsB> ohhh 19:33:53 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like 5.0.17 is for the guest additions only 19:34:05 <wilcal> vbox + kernel + nvidia again? 19:34:07 <tjandrews> Those packages with the rapid-fire update schedule are a pain-in-the-neck, aren't they? 19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> :-)( 19:34:18 <tmb> there was some issues with vbox 5.0.16 for iirc opensuse and fedora so they are testing "devel" stuff 19:35:07 <MrsB> Sooo any difficulties? 19:35:09 <tmb> once theya are happy with the 5.0.17 code, it will switch to 5.0.18 and be released 19:35:54 <tjandrews> So does that mean our 5.0.16 update will remain on hold? 19:36:06 <Luigi12_work> it might help to get some kernel-linus builds of 4.4.x and maybe even 4.2 and 4.3 so I could track down the snd_hda_intel regression (Line In not working) 19:36:10 <DavidWHodgins> It will get replaced with the next update 19:36:37 <Luigi12_work> assuming it hasn't already been fixed in the 4.4 branch after our last build 19:37:19 <Luigi12_work> I'm guessing the libx86 issue was a kernel configuration issue and not a code bug 19:38:11 <tjandrews> Any change in the 4.4 kernel and b43 wifi? Our current b43-openfwwf won't work with it. 19:38:15 <Luigi12_work> hopefully the usb_storage crash will be fixed in the next kernel build 19:38:39 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, I was thinking on pushing the kernel-linus one for you to test too... and iirc I saw some fixes flying by that could explain the libx86 19:39:04 <tmb> Luigi12_work, do you have the package "microcode" installed ? 19:39:36 <Luigi12_work> tmb: on which system? The workstation with the usb crash, the one with the snd_hda_intel regression, or the laptop with the libx86 problem? 19:39:37 <tmb> tjandrews, I'll fix the b43-openwwf package 19:40:04 <tjandrews> OK, that'll be good. My brother's computer depends on it. 19:40:09 <tmb> Luigi12_work, the usb crash... 19:40:33 <Luigi12_work> tmb: OK that's this computer. No, only microcode_ctl, but not microcode. 19:40:51 <tmb> there was some reports of updated microcode fixing similar issues 19:40:59 <Luigi12_work> tmb: thanks, I'll try that after the meeting 19:42:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:42:13 <Luigi12_work> been having a heck of a time trying to get my Touro Mobile Pro working at work. First on the old Optiplex it wasn't working because I was using a mount point that was listed in /etc/fstab, which apparently doesn't work anymore on Mageia 5, then on the new Optiplex I get the crash 19:42:16 <Luigi12_work> ooh my turn 19:42:41 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:42:47 <Luigi12_work> OK, two CVEs fixed in pcre since our last update 19:43:01 <Luigi12_work> I wish they'd just release 8.39, which would make my life easier 19:43:11 <Luigi12_work> otherwise I might have to pull current SVN like I did for our last update 19:43:52 <Luigi12_work> still need other packagers to help with some updates 19:44:12 <lewyssmith> Always a problem... 19:44:24 <Luigi12_work> libreoffice is still waiting, qemu is still waiting (don't worry tmb) 19:44:43 <Luigi12_work> the latest Java openjdk update only builds on Fedora/RedHat distros because it includes private NSS headers that only they package 19:44:55 <Luigi12_work> so I can't get it to build, so if nobody can help me with that, no more Java updates for us 19:45:07 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch! 19:45:16 <wilcal> that's more a blessing then anything 19:45:16 <TheSuperGeek> Luigi12_work: what are required skills to package ?* 19:45:34 <Luigi12_work> the postgresql packages need another round of updates, new versions released today that fix 2 CVEs 19:45:57 <Luigi12_work> TheSuperGeek: it varies quite a bit depending on the package and sometimes the nature of what needs updated or fixed 19:46:08 <TheSuperGeek> ok 19:46:18 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 needs help from packagers - libreoffice, qemu, particularly java though due to nss changes. 19:46:19 <Luigi12_work> sometimes it's so easy a caveman could do it (TM) and sometimes it requires programming skills 19:46:29 <MrsB> Akien: ^^ 19:47:02 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:47:21 <Akien> Bumping it up my todo list by writing it on a post-it :) 19:47:24 <TheSuperGeek> Because I can help if someone need it but I don't have more skills than a begginer 19:47:27 <MrsB> thanks 19:47:34 <tmb> Luigi12_work, well, for qemu we use for forum vm, so I guess I'll try to get time to get it fixed... 19:47:39 <tjandrews> I don't even have a caveman's skills in that area. ;( 19:48:08 <Luigi12_work> tmb: ok. kernel and virtualbox are more important to me personally, but certainly if we're using it in our infra it's important too. 19:48:16 <Luigi12_work> like xymon... 19:48:28 <Luigi12_work> at least that's packaged already (xymon) just needs more testing 19:48:45 <Luigi12_work> it's probably OK, not sure why it's even marked with feedback now 19:48:50 <MrsB> possible issues 19:49:05 <tmb> yeah... a long TODO I had planned to clean out last weekend but got downed by the flu :/ 19:49:10 <Luigi12_work> ouch 19:49:30 <tmb> this is the first day that I'm back to work... 19:49:38 <MrsB> seems to be going around here too tmb 19:49:44 <tjandrews> Yuck. My brother and I are still getting over it, more than two weeks later. 19:49:53 <wilcal> I got my flu shot back in Oct :-)) 19:49:58 <MrsB> probably worse in Finland :) 19:49:59 <Luigi12_work> hope I can avoid it. I didn't get a shot again this year. 19:50:28 <Luigi12_work> I guess I will next fall 19:50:48 <tjandrews> That was on my TODO list last Fall, but got moved to my DIDN'TDO list. 19:50:56 <MrsB> feeling frail David? 19:51:17 <Luigi12_work> oh yeah roundup's done 19:51:26 <MrsB> thanks 19:51:33 <MrsB> So that only leaves... 19:51:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:51:51 <MrsB> tah dude 19:51:57 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 19:51:58 <lewyssmith> Yes. I shall again be out of the country again until next meeting. 19:52:01 <wilcal> I have a working M6 install :-)) 19:52:14 <MrsB> #info lewis away until next week 19:52:17 <tjandrews> wilcal: YAY! 19:52:25 <wilcal> dev1 ci installs and runs 19:52:37 <MrsB> we did have a wiki page for things like that but i don't think it gets used much now 19:52:38 <wilcal> lots and lots of things work 19:52:43 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me 19:52:50 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: the Absent page? 19:52:53 <MrsB> yeah 19:53:05 <Luigi12_work> ahh, yeah it's probably good to use it, but people probably often forget 19:53:17 <wilcal> any word on Live isos? 19:53:24 <MrsB> not til next time 19:53:28 <wilcal> k 19:53:38 <wilcal> dev2 19:53:47 <MrsB> If we get the new kernel done we may look at mga5 v2 too 19:53:48 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Absent 19:54:00 <lewyssmith> Nobody would look at lt, I guess. 19:54:04 <DavidWHodgins> So a 5.1 release 19:54:09 <MrsB> yes 19:54:23 <wilcal> ya that sounds like a certainty 19:54:33 <MrsB> nothing is agreed yet but it has been discussed as something we'd like to do 19:54:44 <wilcal> take the pressure off M6 19:54:48 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's a good idea 19:54:51 <MrsB> depends on workload/availability of course 19:54:55 <Luigi12_work> who knows when we'll finish M6, lot of work left to be done 19:55:03 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in favour of it 19:55:11 <lewyssmith> Me too. 19:55:18 <DavidWHodgins> Once the kernel updates get through 19:55:19 <MrsB> I think all are, just practicalities to assess first 19:56:04 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 19:56:07 <Benmc> an early apology for being late to the next 6 months of meetings - daylight not saving. 19:56:16 <MrsB> lol thanks Ben 19:56:26 <MrsB> Hows team down under? 19:56:28 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:56:28 <tmb> Yeah, with kernel 4.4 + some nvme fixes for installer we can install on any current hw :) 19:56:45 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Thanks for showing up at all, Ben. 19:57:22 <Benmc> then Ill have another excuse - nudge -nudge 19:57:58 <tjandrews> MrsB, when it gets to the point where we are testing dev2 and release 5.1 at the same time, please advise us on how to get Mageiasync to see both. 19:58:14 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then everybody and for getting involved in things. Let's keep that spirit going! 19:58:19 <MrsB> yes sure tj 19:58:29 <MrsB> T - 5 19:58:35 <MrsB> 4 19:58:37 <MrsB> 3 19:58:39 <MrsB> 2 19:58:41 <MrsB> 1 19:58:42 <wilcal> bye all 19:58:43 <MrsB> #endmeeting