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19:03:52 <MrsB> Hi everyone, welcome to another one
19:04:07 <TheSuperGeek> Hi !
19:04:20 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:04:20 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic QA team election roundup
19:04:30 <MrsB> Thanks dave dude
19:04:54 <MrsB> As you know, we allowed until now for everybody who wanted to vote, to vote
19:04:55 <lewyssmith> Looks like Hobson's choice.
19:05:10 <wilcal> congrats to all on the election :-))
19:05:16 <DavidWHodgins> Big thanks to wilcal for your prior work as a deputy leader. Welcome lewyssmith as a new deputy leader
19:05:24 <MrsB> I think we all owe a big Thankyou to wilcal who did a great job last year as deputy
19:05:36 <tarazed> Hear hear!
19:05:45 <lewyssmith> I wanted him to contue.
19:05:48 <wilcal> thank you all I'm gonna continue doing what I'm do'n
19:06:13 <MrsB> Let's all welcome Lewis as a new leader in the team :)
19:06:25 <rindolf> welcome Lewis! Thanks and good luck.
19:06:36 <Benmc> 'applause""
19:06:39 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: you aren't the leader now ?
19:06:48 * TheSuperGeek applause to !
19:06:50 <TheSuperGeek> *too
19:06:53 <MrsB> #info Thanks to wilcal for last year. Welcome to Lewis this year.
19:06:54 <lewyssmith> Oh yes she is.
19:07:12 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Is the leader, /me and lewyssmith are deputy leaders
19:07:13 <TheSuperGeek> lewyssmith: so what do you do ?
19:07:14 <MrsB> There were 24 votes all in support of the 3 volunteers
19:07:26 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: ok
19:07:26 <lewyssmith> TheSuperGeek: Deputy.
19:07:34 <TheSuperGeek> lewyssmith: ok :)
19:07:50 <MrsB> #info 24 people voted in support of the leaders, Mrsb, DavidWHodgins & lewyssmith
19:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> Only difference is if the leader and deputy leaders disagree on something. The leader has final say
19:07:58 <MrsB> So it's official
19:08:28 <MrsB> well done everyone and thanks for voting.
19:09:07 <MrsB> I'll email the council later
19:09:19 <MrsB> Are there any questions about any of this?
19:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> Do we need a sysadmin to add lewyssmith to the council ldap group?
19:09:58 <lewyssmith> Don't bother.
19:10:16 <MrsB> yes, there will be a few to do from different teams. email to council should do get the ball rolling though
19:10:38 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Being a deputy leader means you are now on the council too
19:10:59 <lewyssmith> In theory only. Not my scene.
19:11:05 <MrsB> It's not mandatory
19:11:07 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:11:19 <MrsB> one step at a time ;)
19:11:23 <wilcal> anyone can join the council meeting and express their views
19:11:23 <DavidWHodgins> We could keep wilcal as a council rep if you both agree
19:11:33 <wilcal> yes I'll be there
19:11:53 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I *like* that.
19:12:02 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Ok with you?
19:12:34 <MrsB> Yeah, it's not the first time there will have been a different leader & concil rep in other teams
19:12:43 <MrsB> u
19:12:53 <MrsB> bit slow today sorry, I'm quite tired
19:12:59 <lewyssmith> We could discuss this sort of thing privately among ourselves.
19:13:04 <MrsB> yep
19:13:23 <MrsB> We should formally elect a council rep though
19:13:40 <MrsB> ask for volunteers etc
19:14:02 * TheSuperGeek is a bit lost in the dee
19:14:06 <TheSuperGeek> *deep
19:14:14 <DavidWHodgins> So hold off notifying council about the election result till that's sorted
19:14:26 <MrsB> Let's move on for now anyway, congrats Lewis and thanks everybody again for getting involved in the process
19:14:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:14:53 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today?
19:15:25 <Bequimao> *Bequimao - me
19:15:35 <MrsB> hi there Bequimao
19:15:44 <lewyssmith> Welcome.
19:15:53 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team
19:16:07 <TheSuperGeek> hello Bequimao
19:16:23 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself and the others will do the same
19:16:27 <brian__> hi welcome
19:16:32 <Bequimao> hi, I am German and member of the brazilian Epidemic Linux team.
19:16:41 <tjandrews> A bleary-eyed welcome from me, too. (Just woke from a nap)
19:17:09 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Where do you live?
19:17:11 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, 55, from London, Ontario, Canada. Background is in IBM mainframe software development. Been a deputy leader of the qa team since the first election of leaders
19:17:16 <Benmc> Hi, Benmc,  from New Zealand, still learning QA
19:17:21 <lewyssmith> Sorry, for Bequimao
19:17:35 <MrsB> I'm Claire, deepest darkest Black Country, UK. Current QA team leader, admit to being 38.
19:17:46 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:18:03 <TheSuperGeek> Bequimao: I'm TheSuperGeek, living in France, learning QA here
19:18:21 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:18:23 <tjandrews> Tom (TJ) Andrews, a farmer in Central New York State, USA
19:18:29 <TheSuperGeek> but i didn't do anything for the moment :P
19:18:30 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: I am a Celtic ex-pat living in France.
19:18:39 <tarazed> From Edinburgh,; 50 years programming, 38 in astronomical instrumentation.
19:18:57 <alfred_> Bequimao: Hi Ulrich, nice to see you here
19:19:03 <brian__> brian  - Illinois, USA
19:19:07 <MrsB> Are you joining the team Bequimao?
19:19:39 <rindolf> hi Benmc
19:19:43 <rindolf> hi Bequimao
19:19:57 <rindolf> Benmc: i'm Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel.
19:20:22 <Bequimao> * Bequimao - cannot say it now. I am interested in btrfs, uefi, kdepim ...
19:20:34 <rindolf> Benmc: you can learn more about me from my homepage at http://www.shlomifish.org/ .
19:20:35 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ]
19:20:37 <Benmc> Hiya rindolf
19:20:56 <rindolf> Benmc: that was directed to Bequimao
19:21:11 <rindolf> Benmc: sorry, but nice to know you too.
19:21:26 <DavidWHodgins> Bequimao: Have you joined the qa-discuss mailing list?
19:21:43 <Bequimao> I wrote a few bug reports in the past. Mailing list: yes.
19:21:53 <Ages> David, Colorado, USA
19:22:06 <rindolf> Ages: nice.
19:22:11 <MrsB> There is also qa-bugs, did you join both our lists?
19:22:32 <TheSuperGeek> There's a lot of david in here :)
19:23:03 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: qa-discuss is the most important.
19:23:03 <Ages> rindolf: busy day, getting caught up in qa in spats :)
19:24:25 <MrsB> Well, welcome aboard anyway
19:24:35 <rindolf> Ages: nice.
19:24:53 <MrsB> Is you primary interest testing new releases or testing updates - or just don't know yet?
19:26:00 <MrsB> gone already :\
19:26:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
19:26:25 <MrsB> Are there any scary looking ones there?
19:26:37 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:26:39 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:26:41 * rindolf only tested the kernel.
19:26:46 <rindolf> recently at least.
19:26:59 <MrsB> the kernel is waiting to be updated again, don't spend too much time on it
19:27:18 <brian__> ok good - 4.4.6 seemed buggy
19:27:18 <MrsB> Any grey ones are awaiting feedback/action/information from the packager
19:27:47 <MrsB> we discussed this at the meeting last week if you remember
19:28:11 <MrsB> So there are only 5 active updates \o/
19:28:12 <brian__> did I read correctly that 18101, 18102 pretty much go hand in hand?
19:28:22 <DavidWHodgins> speech-dispatcher has a simple test procedure
19:28:25 <wilcal> lots of moving parts in that kernel update
19:28:40 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: Yes
19:28:44 <brian__> <MrsB> yes understood and stopped
19:28:46 <wilcal> i just knocked off proftpd
19:29:21 <lewyssmith> I hope you noted how to drive it - I  could not fathom that.
19:29:22 <DavidWHodgins> looks like 18101 should depend on 18102
19:29:26 <MrsB> php has a file module, the file update is related but separate - but essentially does the same thing from cli
19:29:27 <tmb> well, feel free to keep testing/running the 4.4.6 kernel so we know if other regressions pop up..
19:29:41 <tjandrews> Looks like a rather long list waiting to be pushed.
19:29:43 <tarazed> Yeah, I might look at 18102 but not php
19:29:52 <brian__> i'll mess with php
19:30:07 <tarazed> Good, I always come to grief
19:30:07 <tmb> I will try to release a new kernel this weekend...
19:30:08 <MrsB> yes perhaps it should, it probably uses libmagic
19:30:11 <Luigi12_work> php doesn't actually use the file package, it has its own bundled version of the code, so the bugs don't depend on each other
19:30:12 <brian__> 18101 - I'll include 102 as well
19:30:16 <Ages> i can test php with dokuwiki, if that is an ok test
19:30:25 <DavidWHodgins> php is pretty simple to test. We usually just test that applications like phpmyadmin work ok
19:30:31 <MrsB> ok cool, so totally separate
19:30:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ages: Yes
19:30:43 <brian__> ok i'll attack PHP then, welcome the company though
19:31:11 <MrsB> file itself is v.easy to test $ file *
19:31:11 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Ok, thanks for the clarification
19:31:21 <tjandrews> I'll be happy to check out virtualbox on my 64-bit install when it's ready.
19:31:38 <Luigi12_work> for the file update you can probably use the test case from the PHP commit since it includes one.  I didn't paste the link to the php commit though.
19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> #info New kernel updates for Mageia 5 expected this weekend
19:31:54 <tjandrews> That would be the one without the kernel update.
19:32:12 <Luigi12_work> I heard a rumor that 5.0.17 is out too
19:32:20 <Luigi12_work> didn't verify it yet :o)
19:32:58 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, but 5.0.17 is considered "devel"... there should be a 5.0.18 in the pipeline too soon-ish I think
19:33:09 <Luigi12_work> tmb: ooh ok I didn't know, thanks
19:33:12 <MrsB> kernel?
19:33:24 <Luigi12_work> virtualbox
19:33:27 <MrsB> ohhh
19:33:53 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like 5.0.17 is for the guest additions only
19:34:05 <wilcal> vbox + kernel + nvidia again?
19:34:07 <tjandrews> Those packages with the rapid-fire update schedule are a pain-in-the-neck, aren't they?
19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> :-)(
19:34:18 <tmb> there was some issues with vbox 5.0.16 for iirc opensuse and fedora so they are testing "devel" stuff
19:35:07 <MrsB> Sooo any difficulties?
19:35:09 <tmb> once theya are happy with the 5.0.17 code, it will switch to 5.0.18 and be released
19:35:54 <tjandrews> So does that mean our 5.0.16 update will remain on hold?
19:36:06 <Luigi12_work> it might help to get some kernel-linus builds of 4.4.x and maybe even 4.2 and 4.3 so I could track down the snd_hda_intel regression (Line In not working)
19:36:10 <DavidWHodgins> It will get replaced with the next update
19:36:37 <Luigi12_work> assuming it hasn't already been fixed in the 4.4 branch after our last build
19:37:19 <Luigi12_work> I'm guessing the libx86 issue was a kernel configuration issue and not a code bug
19:38:11 <tjandrews> Any change in the 4.4 kernel and b43 wifi? Our current b43-openfwwf won't work with it.
19:38:15 <Luigi12_work> hopefully the usb_storage crash will be fixed in the next kernel build
19:38:39 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, I was thinking on pushing the kernel-linus one for you to test too... and iirc I saw some fixes flying by that could explain the libx86
19:39:04 <tmb> Luigi12_work, do you have the package "microcode" installed ?
19:39:36 <Luigi12_work> tmb: on which system?  The workstation with the usb crash, the one with the snd_hda_intel regression, or the laptop with the libx86 problem?
19:39:37 <tmb> tjandrews, I'll fix the b43-openwwf package
19:40:04 <tjandrews> OK, that'll be good. My brother's computer depends on it.
19:40:09 <tmb> Luigi12_work, the usb crash...
19:40:33 <Luigi12_work> tmb: OK that's this computer.  No, only microcode_ctl, but not microcode.
19:40:51 <tmb> there was some reports of updated microcode fixing similar issues
19:40:59 <Luigi12_work> tmb: thanks, I'll try that after the meeting
19:42:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:42:13 <Luigi12_work> been having a heck of a time trying to get my Touro Mobile Pro working at work.  First on the old Optiplex it wasn't working because I was using a mount point that was listed in /etc/fstab, which apparently doesn't work anymore on Mageia 5, then on the new Optiplex I get the crash
19:42:16 <Luigi12_work> ooh my turn
19:42:41 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:42:47 <Luigi12_work> OK, two CVEs fixed in pcre since our last update
19:43:01 <Luigi12_work> I wish they'd just release 8.39, which would make my life easier
19:43:11 <Luigi12_work> otherwise I might have to pull current SVN like I did for our last update
19:43:52 <Luigi12_work> still need other packagers to help with some updates
19:44:12 <lewyssmith> Always a problem...
19:44:24 <Luigi12_work> libreoffice is still waiting, qemu is still waiting (don't worry tmb)
19:44:43 <Luigi12_work> the latest Java openjdk update only builds on Fedora/RedHat distros because it includes private NSS headers that only they package
19:44:55 <Luigi12_work> so I can't get it to build, so if nobody can help me with that, no more Java updates for us
19:45:07 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch!
19:45:16 <wilcal> that's more a blessing then anything
19:45:16 <TheSuperGeek> Luigi12_work: what are required skills to package ?*
19:45:34 <Luigi12_work> the postgresql packages need another round of updates, new versions released today that fix 2 CVEs
19:45:57 <Luigi12_work> TheSuperGeek: it varies quite a bit depending on the package and sometimes the nature of what needs updated or fixed
19:46:08 <TheSuperGeek> ok
19:46:18 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 needs help from packagers - libreoffice, qemu, particularly java though due to nss changes.
19:46:19 <Luigi12_work> sometimes it's so easy a caveman could do it (TM) and sometimes it requires programming skills
19:46:29 <MrsB> Akien: ^^
19:47:02 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:47:21 <Akien> Bumping it up my todo list by writing it on a post-it :)
19:47:24 <TheSuperGeek> Because I can help if someone need it but I don't have more skills than a begginer
19:47:27 <MrsB> thanks
19:47:34 <tmb> Luigi12_work, well, for qemu we use for forum vm, so I guess I'll try to get time to get it fixed...
19:47:39 <tjandrews> I don't even have a caveman's skills in that area. ;(
19:48:08 <Luigi12_work> tmb: ok.  kernel and virtualbox are more important to me personally, but certainly if we're using it in our infra it's important too.
19:48:16 <Luigi12_work> like xymon...
19:48:28 <Luigi12_work> at least that's packaged already (xymon) just needs more testing
19:48:45 <Luigi12_work> it's probably OK, not sure why it's even marked with feedback now
19:48:50 <MrsB> possible issues
19:49:05 <tmb> yeah... a long TODO I had planned to clean out last weekend but got downed by the flu :/
19:49:10 <Luigi12_work> ouch
19:49:30 <tmb> this is the first day that I'm back to work...
19:49:38 <MrsB> seems to be going around here too tmb
19:49:44 <tjandrews> Yuck. My brother and I are still getting over it, more than two weeks later.
19:49:53 <wilcal> I got my flu shot back in Oct :-))
19:49:58 <MrsB> probably worse in Finland :)
19:49:59 <Luigi12_work> hope I can avoid it.  I didn't get a shot again this year.
19:50:28 <Luigi12_work> I guess I will next fall
19:50:48 <tjandrews> That was on my TODO list last Fall, but got moved to my DIDN'TDO list.
19:50:56 <MrsB> feeling frail David?
19:51:17 <Luigi12_work> oh yeah roundup's done
19:51:26 <MrsB> thanks
19:51:33 <MrsB> So that only leaves...
19:51:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:51:51 <MrsB> tah dude
19:51:57 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:51:58 <lewyssmith> Yes. I shall again be out of the country again until next  meeting.
19:52:01 <wilcal> I have a working M6 install :-))
19:52:14 <MrsB> #info lewis away until next week
19:52:17 <tjandrews> wilcal: YAY!
19:52:25 <wilcal> dev1 ci installs and runs
19:52:37 <MrsB> we did have a wiki page for things like that but i don't think it gets used much now
19:52:38 <wilcal> lots and lots of things work
19:52:43 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me
19:52:50 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: the Absent page?
19:52:53 <MrsB> yeah
19:53:05 <Luigi12_work> ahh, yeah it's probably good to use it, but people probably often forget
19:53:17 <wilcal> any word on Live isos?
19:53:24 <MrsB> not til next time
19:53:28 <wilcal> k
19:53:38 <wilcal> dev2
19:53:47 <MrsB> If we get the new kernel done we may look at mga5 v2 too
19:53:48 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Absent
19:54:00 <lewyssmith> Nobody would look at lt, I guess.
19:54:04 <DavidWHodgins> So a 5.1 release
19:54:09 <MrsB> yes
19:54:23 <wilcal> ya that sounds like a certainty
19:54:33 <MrsB> nothing is agreed yet but it has been discussed as something we'd like to do
19:54:44 <wilcal> take the pressure off M6
19:54:48 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's a good idea
19:54:51 <MrsB> depends on workload/availability of course
19:54:55 <Luigi12_work> who knows when we'll finish M6, lot of work left to be done
19:55:03 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in favour of it
19:55:11 <lewyssmith> Me too.
19:55:18 <DavidWHodgins> Once the kernel updates get through
19:55:19 <MrsB> I think all are, just practicalities to assess first
19:56:04 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:56:07 <Benmc> an early apology for being late to the next 6 months of meetings - daylight not saving.
19:56:16 <MrsB> lol thanks Ben
19:56:26 <MrsB> Hows team down under?
19:56:28 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:56:28 <tmb> Yeah, with kernel 4.4 + some nvme fixes for installer we can install on any current hw :)
19:56:45 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Thanks for showing up at all, Ben.
19:57:22 <Benmc> then Ill have another excuse - nudge -nudge
19:57:58 <tjandrews> MrsB, when it gets to the point where we are testing dev2 and release 5.1 at the same time, please advise us on how to get Mageiasync to see both.
19:58:14 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then everybody and for getting involved in things. Let's keep that spirit going!
19:58:19 <MrsB> yes sure tj
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19:58:42 <wilcal> bye all
19:58:43 <MrsB> #endmeeting