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20:08:46 <tjandrews> Not going to express my views on Trump here. The required language is not... well... appropriate for this venue.
20:08:52 <MrsB> who's going to be Dave?
20:09:06 <lewyssmith> Don't mind.
20:09:12 <MrsB> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
20:09:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
20:09:13 <wilcal> go for it dave
20:09:23 <MrsB> well volunteered :)
20:09:25 <tjandrews> Oh, crap. Strike that last from the logs, will you Claire?
20:09:38 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say Hi!
20:09:42 <MrsB> lol unable tj, sorry
20:10:09 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:10:13 <MrsB> thanks Dave btw :)
20:10:35 <tjandrews> Sigh.
20:10:46 <MrsB> doesn't look to be
20:10:54 <ennael> hi there
20:10:55 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6 - We prod our ISO builders :)
20:10:57 <MrsB> hi anne
20:11:08 <MrsB> just in time \o/
20:11:14 <ennael> :)
20:11:24 <wilcal> it's been awhile since I've dabbled with M6Dev1
20:11:35 <wilcal> are we past dev1?
20:12:00 <MrsB> Last time we agreed we could release the classic isos. Seems live isos still need a bit of work, so really up to you guys what to do next?
20:12:20 <wilcal> classic isos install
20:12:33 <wilcal> boot to a working desktop
20:12:54 <wilcal> do we have to wait for Live media?
20:13:24 <wilcal> unless anne or tmb have something soon we should move on
20:13:42 <lewyssmith> To what?
20:13:46 <MrsB> imho we could either release without the live isos or just note that there are still some issues with them
20:13:48 <tarazed> dev2
20:14:01 <tmb> hi all
20:14:04 <MrsB> hi tmb
20:14:21 <wilcal> ya -> dev2 but dev2 must have working live media to move on from there
20:14:41 <lewyssmith> tarazed: But that ipmlies that "anne or tmb have something soon".
20:14:43 <tmb> I'd say release -dev1 with classical isos only for now unless ennael want to fix something...
20:15:02 <lewyssmith> We agreed this last week.
20:15:13 <MrsB> they're mostly working now be a shame to rebuild them now
20:15:14 <tmb> My health has prevented me to really do anything for live medias since last build...
20:15:17 <tarazed> lewis: soon or not
20:15:47 <MrsB> have you had a diagnosis yet thomas?
20:16:22 <tmb> MrsB, nope... currently going through tests ~7-10 days...
20:16:34 <MrsB> hang in there
20:16:43 <wilcal> fwiw if you have a 70 yr old body like mine if you give the Doctors enough time and equipment they find all kinds of stuff
20:17:00 <MrsB> that more or less confirms our path then going forward with dev1
20:17:07 <lewyssmith> tmb: We are all hoping the best for you.
20:17:10 <MrsB> ennael ok with you?
20:18:06 <ennael> yep ok
20:18:11 <MrsB> \o/
20:18:17 <wilcal> on we go then
20:18:55 <MrsB> #info We'll releae dev1 without live isos as they still need some work and availability is an issue atm
20:19:09 <tmb> wilcal, heh :)  ... my doc said I have theese issues ~20+ years ahead of when they usually find them... guess I was borned old..
20:19:21 <alfred__> we'll get an easter egg?
20:19:37 <MrsB> thankfully tmb, we need your old head on young shoulders
20:20:06 <lewyssmith> Shall we move on?
20:20:10 <wilcal> lets
20:20:12 <MrsB> I'll share my easter egg alf
20:20:15 <tjandrews> tmb, being called an "old soul" is usually meant as a compliment.
20:20:33 <MrsB> Thanks then guys, let's crack on
20:20:33 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:20:49 <wilcal> Lots of yes's on that list
20:20:53 <MrsB> thanks dave
20:21:05 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:21:07 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:21:15 <tarazed> Thanks MrsB for the bug #10771 tip - system was about to implode.
20:21:16 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10771 normal, Normal, tmb, NEW , dkms builds are not removed when kernels are uninstalled which causes problems loading modules, kernel-rt kernel-tmb, kernel-linus, kernel-vserver
20:21:31 <wilcal> lots of OK's
20:21:44 <MrsB> ahh dkms is a bit tricksy sometimes
20:22:07 <MrsB> #info We'll validate all the OK's later
20:22:28 <MrsB> Kernel has some regressions so all those will be held back for now
20:22:37 <wilcal> that'll reduce the list considerably
20:22:41 <MrsB> we can add 'feedback' marker to those for now
20:22:41 <lewyssmith> A lot are just 1 architecture.
20:22:46 <hviaene> Wish someone could look at the dovecot if my testing was enough
20:22:53 <wilcal> yes I put some big notes in:
20:23:04 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18031
20:23:05 <[mbot> Bug 18031: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel 4.4.6, kernel
20:23:10 <MrsB> yes, let's keep to that going forward I think Lewis, unless we're really on top of things
20:23:22 <wilcal> i thought that was gonna happen
20:23:47 <MrsB> telnet to the server is fine for dovecot herman, thanks
20:23:48 <brian_> that breaks my main AMD machine  - anybody figure out what I'm doing wrong?
20:24:03 <wilcal> so kerenel + Vbox + nvidia updates hold for now?
20:24:09 <hviaene> So I can OK it?
20:24:14 <wilcal> they all kinda go together
20:24:51 <MrsB> #info There are many many packages involved in the kernel update, with associated bits and pieces, so please ensure you have all the relevant ones updated when testing and haven't missed any
20:24:53 <tarazed> Hope somebody else picks up libotr - beyond me.
20:24:58 <tmb> Maybe I should "break out" the vbox update from the kernel update by providing kmods for older kernel
20:25:21 <wilcal> ya I've put a lot of time into that only too come up with an unbootable system
20:25:30 <MrsB> I think it'd help tmb, we have a complex grub2 update and complex kernel going on at the same time
20:26:27 <wilcal> breaking out Vbox and or nvidia would be a big help
20:26:30 <tmb> ok, will nuke the vbox kmods for the new kernel for a bit then so I can push older kmods
20:26:32 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Given Dieter's +ve commentes, I would say 'OK'.
20:26:33 <MrsB> You can use irc with pidgeon Len and otr there IIRC
20:27:12 <MrsB> #info virtualbox update will be rebuilt for existing kernel
20:27:24 <wilcal> HorraaYYYY!!!!!
20:27:32 <wilcal> whew
20:27:33 <tmb> I will try to break out the nvidia update too but I need to check the i586 server kmod issue
20:27:33 <MrsB> that'll ease things a bit
20:27:45 <wilcal> many many thanks
20:28:10 <MrsB> Easy packages to miss btw when testing all this are the x11-driver-video-nvidia etc
20:29:10 <wilcal> did you see all the packages I updated in 18031?
20:30:00 <MrsB> briefly, i haven't had much of a chance this week
20:30:11 <wilcal> 20 packages and the system broke
20:30:20 <MrsB> also check you have ldetect-lst
20:30:31 <lewyssmith> We need Advisories again. I shall try some (this frightens Dave & Claire into violent action).
20:30:41 <MrsB> that is the package which is used to associate hardware with drivers
20:30:49 <MrsB> lol lew
20:32:13 <MrsB> I'll add feedback marker on the kernel bugs after the meeting
20:32:22 <tjandrews> Question: I successfully updated my 32-bit AMD system to the new kernel, new vbox, new nvidia340 module, and updated a Mageia 5 guest in vbox. Should I attempt to roll all that back?
20:32:47 <wilcal> my kernel bugs list is:
20:32:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18031
20:32:50 <[mbot> Bug 18031: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel 4.4.6, kernel
20:32:50 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18029
20:32:51 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604
20:32:51 <[mbot> Bug 18029: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: virtualbox-5.0.16, virtualbox
20:32:53 <[mbot> Bug 17604: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: nvidia-current-352.63-1.mga5.nonfree, nvidia-current
20:33:14 <hviaene> For the libotr bug17927, I had to draw these in to get the pidgin bug17933 working
20:33:35 <MrsB> you might have fun with that tj. You can just boot using the older kernel though. You could try urpme -a kernel-desktop-<version>
20:33:49 <MrsB> and make use of --auto-orphans to clear the remaining ones
20:33:53 <MrsB> carefully
20:33:55 <hviaene> So it is ort of included, isn't it???
20:34:34 <tjandrews> But what does that do to vbox? The old kernel modules are for an earlier version.
20:35:10 <tmb> tjandrews, no need... simply booting the older kernel should work (if you use nonfree drivers you might need to use dkms package to get kmods for those...)
20:35:18 <MrsB> Personally. I'd leave it as it is TJ and update again when there are new packages
20:35:38 <wilcal> new stuff come'n tj
20:35:51 <MrsB> sorry herman, I didn't understand your question?
20:36:30 <MrsB> oh I see what you mean
20:36:41 <hviaene> mrsB: tarazed the libotr was above him
20:36:57 <tjandrews> That's what I was thinking, Claire. If I did need to roll back, it might be easier to just re-install M5 from scratch again.
20:37:08 <tarazed> That is because I was out of my depth.
20:37:15 <hviaene> But I had to draw it in while testing the pidgin thingy
20:37:29 <MrsB> Yes, those can both be tested together
20:37:57 <MrsB> pidgin-otr requires libotr so if pidgin-otr works with updated libotr then both are ok
20:38:33 <lewyssmith> What should be happening about all those OK'd Backports?
20:38:33 <hviaene> MrsB; I did not OK the pidgin, because it needed the new libotr, but I had to do this manually instead of it being a dependency
20:39:01 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: this is updates, not backports, such a dependency is not a requirement
20:39:20 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: as long as pidgin-otr works when you update both, OK them
20:40:02 <hviaene> But the update does not work: if you install it like that, people will not ne able to run pidgina anymore
20:40:10 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: why?
20:40:17 <MrsB> The pidgin-otr shoudl work with old & new libotr basically herman so there is no specific version of it required. The requirement for libotr is satisfied with either.
20:40:38 <hviaene> Brecause et the CLI it aborts
20:41:17 <hviaene> Pidgin aborts and asks for the new lbotr
20:41:35 <MrsB> yep, that's an issue
20:41:46 <lewyssmith> I think what Herman is saying - correctly - is that the pidgin-otr update alone does *not* work without the library one.
20:41:48 <Luigi12_work> you sure you updated libotr5?
20:41:54 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: if so, then that's not an issue
20:42:23 <Luigi12_work> those updates have to go out together
20:42:29 <Luigi12_work> hence the blocks/depends on those two bugs
20:42:36 <MrsB> If both packages work together then it's fine, David is right
20:42:47 <lewyssmith> OK, if it is fixed thus.
20:43:02 <Luigi12_work> if what is fixed?  I don't see anything that needs to be fixed.
20:43:08 <hviaene> No, I did not because the pidgin Bug does not include it
20:43:24 <Luigi12_work> then update libotr5 and test it again
20:43:37 <hviaene> That's OK if both packages are installed in the same session
20:43:39 <Luigi12_work> again, they are listed in separate bugs but they are linked together
20:43:57 <hviaene> If not and pidgin comes first, it is brroken
20:44:01 <Luigi12_work> that's why the pidgin-otr bug is set to depend on the libotr bug.  They have to be updated together.
20:44:07 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: then update both!
20:44:13 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Sorry, David. I meant that if both updates necessarily go out together.
20:44:14 <Luigi12_work> when the update is released to the users, they'll be updated together
20:44:27 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: yes, they have to, that's the way the bugs are set up
20:44:29 <MrsB> The updates will be pushed at the same time, so this will be OK when they're pushed. For testing we need to be aware of things like this and manually add the needed packages.
20:45:23 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
20:45:50 <MrsB> if there is an incompatibility in libotr versions then it's worth checking what else requires it and ensure they work with the updated lib too
20:45:51 <Benmc> Good morning Lewis, QA
20:45:54 <hviaene> I see the link now in bug 17927, but I tested 17933 before
20:45:55 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17927 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , libotr new security issue CVE-2016-2851, libotr-4.0.0-6.mga5.src.rpm
20:46:21 <MrsB> that's ok herman. you've doen the right thing in noting it and asking
20:46:24 <hviaene> So, I can OK both, right?
20:46:57 <MrsB> if it works with both updated, yes. Just check what else requires libotr though and if there is anything else, see if you get a similar error
20:47:47 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Hermon, I ran into a similar problem recently with grub2-efi. One update requiring another at the same time.
20:47:53 <Luigi12_work> there wouldn't be an error with anything else.  He got the error because pidgin-otr was built with the newer libotr and he was running it with the older one.
20:48:05 <Luigi12_work> it's not an issue if you run something built with the older one and the lib is updated
20:48:31 <MrsB> yep. It's possible that things built with older libotr won't work with the new one too tho
20:48:42 <Luigi12_work> so yes both can be OK'd.  If you want to test something else with it, bitlbee, irssi-otr, mcabber, and kopete can use it too.
20:48:49 <Luigi12_work> no that shouldn't happen MrsB
20:49:08 <lewyssmith> It would be nice to clear those two bugs; they are ageing.
20:49:29 <Luigi12_work> it's the same lib major, it's not binary incompatible.  It's just that pidgin-otr checks which one it's built with and makes sure you have it.
20:49:35 <Luigi12_work> kind of like we've seen with freeradius and openssl
20:49:52 <MrsB> OK. Any other problems?
20:50:06 <lewyssmith> Backports?
20:50:16 <MrsB> backports are still waiting to be pushed
20:50:29 <MrsB> sysadmins are aware but a bit scared to push them I think :)
20:50:37 <hviaene> Yes, dovecot, I'm not sure of its testing
20:50:46 <MrsB> #info backports still awaiting sysadmins to push
20:51:04 <hviaene> Sorry, that was OK
20:51:06 <MrsB> what you did was fine herman
20:51:20 <MrsB> we normally just start the server and telnet to it
20:51:51 <hviaene> It' getting late herehum
20:52:01 <MrsB> yep. Any others?
20:52:22 <MrsB> Let's move on then :)
20:52:25 <MrsB> thanks guys
20:52:30 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's Roundup - Security news & expected updates
20:52:35 <Luigi12_work> tmb: don't forget about xymon :o)
20:52:53 <Luigi12_work> moodle can be validated, I've run two exams on it this week already
20:53:07 <MrsB> we'll validate all the OK's later
20:53:19 <Luigi12_work> oh ok
20:53:46 <Luigi12_work> yeah I guess we're about to have a massive push of updates then :D
20:53:54 <MrsB> pretty much :D
20:53:59 <Luigi12_work> ok for the roundup we just have one that still needs an update from the past week
20:54:19 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, I will do mga infra work tomorrow, so I will move xymon to new server
20:54:33 <Luigi12_work> jenkins-remoting has a high severity remote code execution issue in it.  It's some Java crap and I don't see a patch for it, so it has to be updated.  Hopefully that's doable on Mageia 5.
20:54:40 <Luigi12_work> tmb: thanks!
20:55:00 <Luigi12_work> anyone have questions for me?
20:55:14 <wilcal> not from me
20:55:40 <MrsB> #info jenkins-remoting coming soon
20:55:46 <MrsB> is that the only one?
20:55:50 <Luigi12_work> hopefully, if someone packages it :O
20:55:54 <Luigi12_work> yeah that's all I have new on my list
20:55:58 * MrsB falls over
20:55:58 <Luigi12_work> I pushed a quagga update today
20:56:08 <MrsB> yes, that's an easy one
20:56:12 <Luigi12_work> cool
20:56:22 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
20:56:39 <MrsB> Let's go on then :)
20:56:49 <lewyssmith> Thanks & for the short list.
20:56:53 <lewyssmith> #topic Team Elections - Time to get things started..
20:57:01 <MrsB> ahhaa thanks Dave
20:57:18 <MrsB> So we maybe have a few people who haven't done this before
20:57:39 <MrsB> Each year we hold elections in all teams to elect the team leaders
20:58:02 <MrsB> Anybody can put themselves forward to be a team leader if they feel they can fill the position
20:58:19 <MrsB> It is that time again now
20:58:25 <lewyssmith> Is this topic better done via the mailList?
20:58:41 <MrsB> yes, will email about it too
20:59:22 <MrsB> We previously agreed to have 3 leaders again, all responsible for the running of the team but with one overall leader.
20:59:40 <lewyssmith> The status quo.
21:00:01 <brian_> assuming they are willing - status quo
21:00:02 <lewyssmith> which has worked well.
21:00:18 <MrsB> We've found it works well with 3 leaders as nobody can reasonably be expected to be available all of the time and the teams do need active leaders all of the time
21:01:06 <MrsB> yeah more or less, it is. There is more emphasis on the deputies being active leaders this time is all
21:01:10 <tjandrews> If it ain't broke...
21:01:17 <tjandrews> Sorry. The country boy within me escaped.
21:01:25 <MrsB> We have a deadline to complete this process
21:01:31 <MrsB> lol tj
21:01:34 <hviaene> I have to go - status quo is OK for me
21:01:40 <wilcal> Deputies are quite active here :-)
21:01:43 <MrsB> nit eherman, thanks
21:01:55 <MrsB> So, the deadline is the end of march
21:02:27 <wilcal> so by this time next week we should vote on names
21:02:27 <TheSuperGeek> Hello !
21:02:34 <TheSuperGeek> I'm back :)
21:02:39 <MrsB> what I propose is to allow until the end of the weekend for anybody wanting to put themselves forward for any of the 3 positions to say so and then allow the remaining days for voting
21:02:45 <MrsB> morning TheSuperGeek
21:02:48 <wilcal> hello supergeek
21:03:12 <alfred__> TheSuperGeek: little bit late :9
21:03:21 <TheSuperGeek> alfred__: yes :)
21:03:26 <Benmc> TheSuperGeek: hi
21:03:34 <lewyssmith> alfred__: 22.00 here.
21:03:41 <TheSuperGeek> Is the meeting finished ?
21:03:48 <MrsB> We won't assume current leaders are standing again, so current leaders will need to say they intend to stand again if they wish to do so please too
21:03:51 <wilcal> FWIW I don't mind remaining as a Deputy unless someone wants to take my place
21:04:21 <MrsB> I'll put all this in an email too
21:04:36 <MrsB> does anybody have any questions about any of this?
21:04:54 <brian_> none from me
21:04:57 <wilcal> not from me
21:05:07 <Benmc> none here
21:05:14 <tjandrews> None here.
21:05:26 <tarazed> nope
21:05:30 <MrsB> Everybody is free to volunteer and everybody is free to vote
21:05:49 <wilcal> and attend and contribute to any of the meetings
21:06:06 <MrsB> be active in the team leadership, yes
21:06:42 <MrsB> If it's all clear then let's move on, thanks everyone
21:06:50 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
21:06:55 <MrsB> Cheer Dave
21:06:57 <MrsB> s
21:07:02 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:07:12 <lewyssmith> Not here.
21:07:27 <wilcal> not from me thank you for reviewing the kernel update situation
21:07:37 <MrsB> ok
21:07:40 <tjandrews> I remember the first election for me was about two weeks after I joined the list. I didn't know if I was supposed to vote, being so new. I was.
21:07:56 <MrsB> Yes, or indeed lead :)
21:08:29 <MrsB> Thanks everybody, keep on testing, that only leaves..
21:08:35 <MrsB> T - 5
21:08:41 <MrsB> 4
21:08:42 <lewyssmith> Goodnight all.
21:08:43 <MrsB> 3
21:08:45 <MrsB> 2
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21:08:50 <MrsB> #endmeeting