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20:07:07 <ennael> hi there
20:07:13 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MrsB wilcal lewyssmith
20:07:13 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
20:07:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say Hi
20:07:19 <MrsB> Morning all
20:07:27 <MrsB> Thanks Dave
20:07:36 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:08:07 <MrsB> don't think so
20:08:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 - So close..
20:08:24 <MrsB> So near yet so far
20:08:29 <MrsB> ennael wdyt?
20:08:46 <DavidWHodgins> Classical iso are ready in my opinion, with the possible exception of bug 11446
20:08:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11446 enhancement, Normal, ennael1, REOPENED , consider making the size of the clasic istallation iso's smaller
20:08:52 <lewyssmith> Claire, can you please explain that long list you sent to Anne?
20:08:58 <MrsB> yes sure
20:09:00 <wilcal> I think we've reached a level where it certainly installs on hardware
20:09:14 <MrsB> In each ISo directory is a file iso-name.idx
20:09:14 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: it's on my todo list
20:09:19 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: They are packages on the iso images that are not used (they are for older kernels)
20:09:20 <ennael> for dev2
20:09:25 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
20:09:28 <wilcal> is that enough to release dev1?
20:09:46 <DavidWHodgins> For classical yes. I haven't looked at live much. How are they looking?
20:09:46 <MrsB> The idx files show the packages listed on the iso
20:09:54 * MrsB trying to explain
20:10:10 <wilcal> we need one more go around on the Live iso's I think
20:10:16 <lewyssmith> MrsB: How does one know they are no longer used?
20:10:29 <MrsB> the classical isos currently have kernel mods for various old kernels, which have now been superceded
20:10:34 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: By the kernel version number in the package names
20:10:46 <wilcal> be nice if they'd boot in Vbox but not a show stopper
20:11:11 <MrsB> eg. nvidia-current-kernel-4.4.2-desktop-2.mga6-352.79 is for kernel 4.4.2
20:11:21 <TheSuperGeek> So what's the problem?
20:11:35 <TheSuperGeek> (sorry I had a bug with internet)
20:11:36 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Manual perusal?
20:11:36 <MrsB> these are the prebuilt kernel modules which are only relevant for that specific kernel
20:11:45 <DavidWHodgins> TheSuperGeek: Space. The iso images are too large to fit on a 4GB usb stick.
20:12:04 <MrsB> Akien apotted virtualbox actually, we were looking for ways to reduce the size. A grep found the rest
20:12:10 <wilcal> is that a firm requirement to fit inside 4GB?
20:12:11 <MrsB> spotted
20:12:12 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: sad but who use 4gb usb keys ?
20:12:21 <DavidWHodgins> That's what bug 11446 is about
20:12:31 <DavidWHodgins> TheSuperGeek: Quite a few people do
20:12:41 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: 8gb keys are at the same price :P
20:12:45 <DavidWHodgins> It's a hard requirement for the final, not for 6dev1
20:12:48 <lewyssmith> These days a 4Gb stick hardly is to be found.
20:13:04 <DavidWHodgins> That may be true in some places, not in all.
20:13:10 <alfred__> but they are in use
20:13:10 <wilcal> if we can't get inside 4GB then we probably can't get inside a DVD
20:13:11 <lewyssmith> OK
20:13:23 <MrsB> still, the additional kernel modules are what caused the issues for you Dave aren't they?
20:14:04 <DavidWHodgins> It was the older radeon-firmware-nonfree that prevented the newer kernel from being installed on my system
20:14:11 <wilcal> it's got to fit on a DVD and I think that's like 4.2GB
20:14:41 <MrsB> ennael: wdyt? it's your call really
20:14:54 <DavidWHodgins> We are targeting 4GB usb sticks, which are slightly smaller than a dvd
20:15:05 <lewyssmith> Sensible.
20:15:35 <TheSuperGeek> I think the target is to have a DVD sized ISO.
20:15:45 <wilcal> how much gets lost if LibreOffice has to be downloaded?
20:15:49 <TheSuperGeek> OpenSUSE as it (4.7 gb)
20:15:58 <DavidWHodgins> TheSuperGeek: No. 4GB usb sticks
20:16:04 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: ok
20:16:25 <DavidWHodgins> The bug report has the actual size in bytes
20:16:31 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, LibreOffice is the main thing to have.
20:16:48 <wilcal> i think it also takes up the most space
20:16:59 <lewyssmith> Life is like that.
20:17:09 <DavidWHodgins> We'll see where we are when the kernel modules are cleaned up.
20:17:19 <MrsB> we have extra useless kernel modules, no need to consider removing things until they are gone
20:17:25 * MrsB talking to herself
20:17:31 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:17:37 <lewyssmith> No, we are spying.
20:18:23 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any objections to going ahead with releasing the classical iso images?
20:18:27 <MrsB> So we can either release them as-is cause we're ready, or rebuild and retest over again cause they are ready
20:19:13 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: already said she is targeting 6dev2 for fixing the size
20:19:13 <lewyssmith> If the oversize causes no harm, they should be releasable - with explanantion.
20:19:23 <hviaene> I am not sure yet, but I think there is an issue with Firefox and flash with the latest x96-64
20:19:25 <wilcal> at dev1 ok by me
20:19:34 <hviaene> X86
20:19:38 <MrsB> I think it's a shame after all this time but recognise it's dev1 and a known issue and we're really ready ourselves to get them out of the door and mvoe on
20:19:57 <MrsB> flash isn't on there herman
20:19:58 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: That's not a blocker for 6dev1. For 6dev1, as long as it's installable, and the dm starts, that's good enough
20:20:07 <alfred__> had no probs with it the last days
20:20:10 <tarazed> do we stay at dev1 until the live isos work better?
20:20:22 <MrsB> we may have a dev1 without them
20:20:26 <alfred__> we should give it a go
20:20:31 <hviaene> Agree no blcker for dev
20:20:38 <MrsB> anne has disappeared :)
20:20:46 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: We can go ahead and release the clasical iso images for 6dev1. Development for the live will stay at 6dev1 for now.
20:21:07 <tarazed> Happy with that Dave
20:21:21 <lewyssmith> But then *everything* should move to the next phase.
20:21:30 * MrsB invisible so shutting up
20:21:53 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: No. Live can continue at 6dev1 while classical are released
20:22:04 * DavidWHodgins sees MrsB
20:22:18 <lewyssmith> MrsB: If you are invisible, how come we can see you?
20:22:29 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Beg to differ.
20:22:47 * TheSuperGeek is lost....
20:22:59 <lewyssmith> But it is not important.
20:23:23 <DavidWHodgins> If classical reaches 6dev2 testing before live 6dev1 is released, then we'll skip 6dev1 for live. Otherwise live 6dev1 will be released when it's ready.
20:23:39 <lewyssmith> Skip Live dev1.
20:24:17 <DavidWHodgins> If live 6dev1 is ready in a few days, we'll release it
20:24:29 <MrsB> we've done so before and as they're not yet ready and classical are ready to push-ish we shouldn't hold them up
20:25:01 <DavidWHodgins> Does everyone agree with releasing 6dev1 classical iso images as is?
20:25:09 <tarazed> yes
20:25:10 <lewyssmith> OK.
20:25:12 <alfred__> i do
20:25:20 <MrsB> yes. I'll create a bug report for the extra kmods
20:25:42 <hviaene> OK
20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> #info Classical iso images for 6dev1 approved for release
20:26:17 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: ^^^
20:26:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues.
20:27:15 <tjandrews> Sorry I'm late. My Internet provider was out.
20:27:15 <tjandrews> Nobody here?
20:27:28 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: HiYa
20:27:30 <tarazed> good morning tj
20:27:36 <wilcal> MrsB did you see my comment in
20:27:37 <lewyssmith> It is not looking good. Too many, some of which are easy for the right person.
20:27:38 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17943
20:27:39 <[mbot> Bug 17943: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , filezilla new security issue CVE-2016-2563, filezilla-3.11.0.2-1.1.mga5.src.rpm
20:28:02 <wilcal> blender got a segmentation fault in Vbox
20:28:08 <wilcal> Not on real hardware
20:28:41 <tarazed> Been out of the loop but shall try to get back in.
20:28:42 <Akien> Sounds like missing OpenGL 2.x support
20:28:54 <wilcal> probably
20:28:58 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Does the segfault happen with the prior version? (I.E. is it a regression)
20:29:17 <wilcal> it happens with our present version of Blender
20:29:36 <lewyssmith> Bug 17994 is completely cryptic, if trivial.
20:29:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17994 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , grub2-efi needs to conflict kcm-grub2 < 0.5.8-12.1.mga5, grub2-2.02-0.git9752.18.3.mga5.src.rpm
20:29:44 <tjandrews> For a while this afternoon it would have been faster to send messages via carrier pigeon.
20:30:22 <DavidWHodgins> If it's not a regression, then it shouldn't block the security update and a seperate bug report should be opened, unless Luigi12_work wants to fix it as part of this update
20:30:51 <wilcal> MrsB wanted to have a blender test with Filezilla
20:30:58 <Luigi12_work> if it's not a regression, go ahead with the filezilla update
20:31:09 <Luigi12_work> for the blender segfault we'll need a backtrace with debuginfo packages
20:31:18 <wilcal> OK I'll open the bug and test just Filezilla
20:31:40 <Akien> If it segfaults only in vbox I'm pretty sure it's about missing OpenGL 2.x support though
20:31:47 <Luigi12_work> sounds like it
20:31:50 <Akien> It's pretty hard to catch exceptions before a crash in such cases
20:31:52 <wilcal> can we fix that?
20:32:02 <Luigi12_work> dunno
20:32:12 <Luigi12_work> maybe a newer blender would help, maybe not
20:32:29 <Akien> Don't think so, newer blender would likely just increase the minimal OpenGL version they need.
20:32:29 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That will be looked at after the current update gets pushed
20:32:36 <wilcal> so best to seperate this out from a filezilla security test
20:32:45 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:33:14 <DavidWHodgins> I'll sit down and get the advisories loaded into svn after this meeting
20:33:33 <MrsB> Blender could be affected by the lib update, please check on real HW instead
20:33:58 <wilcal> ya I can test it on 64-bit hardware
20:34:01 <MrsB> thanks
20:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> os-prober needs someone using grub2. I use grub legacy on my systems
20:35:19 <MrsB> does os-prober send output to stdout or does it update the grub config when run manually too?
20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure
20:35:38 <lewyssmith> Just STDOUT.
20:35:51 <lewyssmith> I think.
20:36:19 <MrsB> I wasn't sure so hesitant to test it on work laptop
20:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> It should be tested on both bios and uefi firmware systems too, I think
20:37:25 <MrsB> I'm not sure that's necessary for os-prober alone
20:37:30 <MrsB> morning tmb
20:37:31 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure you have a working live iso to boot from, if needed to rescue the system
20:37:36 <lewyssmith> The os-prober thing ca be tested with grub2-efi *if you apply 17918 first*.
20:37:48 <tmb> morning
20:37:57 <lewyssmith> Welcome.
20:38:16 <MrsB> os-prober should just scan to see what is installed ont he system, not sure where it sends it's output though.
20:38:31 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Are we expecting new live iso images soon?
20:39:42 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Classical iso images have been approved for release
20:39:46 <MrsB> if not we can release without them
20:39:48 <tmb> Well, I've built a fresh set today, and Gnome comes up nicely, Plasma does not
20:40:04 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
20:40:07 <wilcal> on hardware or Vbox or both?
20:40:11 * Luigi12_work thanks tmb for svn commit r814049 before the Mageia 5 release. One of the patches he added from upstream for cairo just got assigned a CVE.
20:40:13 <MrsB> but see bug 18030 if they are about ready
20:40:15 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18030 normal, Normal, ennael1, NEW , Classical ISOs have a number of old kernel modules
20:40:32 <tmb> wilcal, on vbox that is
20:41:14 <tmb> I can push them online if someone wants to test them on hw
20:41:28 <DavidWHodgins> Sure
20:41:31 <wilcal> ya something really bonkers with M6 & Vbox
20:42:23 <wilcal> M6 + Plasma + + Vbox
20:43:13 <DavidWHodgins> If they are working on real hw, but not vb, I think we can release them with the comment that we know they don't work in vb
20:43:13 <tmb> ok, will push them online then
20:43:31 <tjandrews> How so? I haven't had much trouble with the latest Classical isos.
20:43:51 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: These are the live iso images
20:44:19 <DavidWHodgins> May be a missing package or a configuration problem
20:44:30 <tjandrews> OK, haven't tried one of them in a while.
20:45:16 <tmb> IIRC the plasma thingie can be it tries to use some non-existant OpenGL features that vbox does not always expose
20:45:33 <tmb> "non-existant in vbox that is"
20:45:42 <MrsB> gnome never used to work in vbox either did it
20:46:06 <wilcal> ya was it M4 where we had a ton of troubles with Vbox & Gnome
20:46:07 <tmb> yeah, that was the plague of mga5, but is seems to behave now
20:46:13 <wilcal> M5
20:46:32 <MrsB> theyve swapped places
20:46:44 <tmb> yep :)
20:46:54 <MrsB> So if plasma works on real HW then let's OK it
20:47:00 <DavidWHodgins> Tends to happen with massive rewrites
20:47:06 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:47:19 <DavidWHodgins> #info new live iso images expected soon
20:47:38 <hviaene> I have to go, good night all
20:47:46 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Have a good night
20:47:48 <MrsB> nite herman thanks for coming
20:48:28 <MrsB> Everybody following ok?
20:48:55 <wilcal> yup
20:48:57 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: i'm not I read but i don't understand all things :P
20:49:19 <DavidWHodgins> TheSuperGeek: Any specific questions?
20:49:38 <TheSuperGeek> DavidWHodgins: not really, thanks
20:49:40 <MrsB> did you and lewis manage to make contact?
20:49:47 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: yes
20:49:51 <MrsB> great :)
20:50:00 <tjandrews> I may go soon, too. It's been a rough week.Got a mildish case of the flu going on, too.
20:50:14 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Hope it gets better soon
20:50:26 <MrsB> Take care TJ, early to beddy boes
20:50:38 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: I use a VM and I have 1 VM of mageia where i do all tests + QA so I broke it up all of time :(
20:50:47 <DavidWHodgins> Back on updates. other then "Don't forget them while iso testing", any questions?
20:50:59 <TheSuperGeek> MrsB: I have to do snapshots but I don't do it
20:51:00 <DavidWHodgins> TheSuperGeek: Use vb snapshots
20:51:05 * TheSuperGeek is very lazy
20:51:07 <MrsB> We haven't changed topic yet
20:51:09 <DavidWHodgins> Easy to forget
20:51:15 <MrsB> ohh we did
20:51:21 <MrsB> sorry, me sleeping
20:51:31 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:51:42 <wilcal> vb instances are disposable :-))
20:51:43 <tmb> In case you didnt notice yet... I've pushed kernel-4.4.6 & co to QA
20:51:53 <MrsB> thankyou for that :P
20:52:02 <MrsB> that's newer than isos
20:52:03 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. Installed, but haven't rebooted yet
20:52:30 <tmb> I have it running on 5 systems here and on mageia buildsystem hosts :)
20:52:38 <MrsB> skylake ok now?
20:52:47 <tmb> yep
20:53:02 <MrsB> any chance we can get openqa set up please
20:53:16 <DavidWHodgins> A tester in the usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mageia reported the latest kernel updates fixed his skylake problems
20:53:32 <MrsB> haven't heard from vlad recently, will have to send him an email
20:54:43 <tmb> Live images online... they also use  kernel-4.4.6
20:55:32 <MrsB> Are there any updates causing problems?
20:55:53 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:55:57 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:56:12 <MrsB> I'll validate all the ones with an OK after the meeting
20:56:38 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. I had to chown the iso images and related files before the rsync would work
20:56:59 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: I'll do the advisories after the meeting
20:57:09 <DavidWHodgins> Then validate
20:57:16 <MrsB> OK, I'll let you do the validating too then, thanks
20:57:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  Luigi's roundup
20:57:38 <MrsB> I'll email sysadmins about backports again :)
20:57:47 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Still here?
20:58:14 <Luigi12_work> back
20:58:23 <MrsB> wb
20:59:17 <Luigi12_work> new security issue in proftpd, fixed upstream in the latest release.  Patch doesn't look easily backportable, so we might have to update it.  Waiting to see what other distros do.
20:59:43 <Luigi12_work> libvpx security issue, CVE came from Android.  Looks like the issue is in the libwebm inside of it.  Not sure how to deal with that one.
20:59:59 <Luigi12_work> cacti new security issue (yes, again).  Waiting for upstream to ACK the suggested patch.
21:00:07 <Luigi12_work> that's it for the past week
21:00:20 <DavidWHodgins> Not bad. :-)
21:00:43 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
21:00:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:01:05 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
21:01:12 <wilcal> nothing from me
21:01:21 <MrsB> me o/
21:01:45 <DavidWHodgins> That just leaves the countdown
21:01:46 <MrsB> I'll be away from tomorrow until Monday, going to visit my Mum
21:01:53 <DavidWHodgins> Enjoy
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21:02:08 <rindolf> oh, i missed the meetup.
21:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
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21:02:21 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting