20:01:25 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:01:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Mar 3 20:01:25 2016 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:36 <wilcal> here we go with another 20:01:49 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:02:08 <wilcal> Son_Goku do introduce yourself 20:02:29 <lewyssmith> We don't bite. 20:02:51 <wilcal> hello tj 20:02:51 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ. 20:03:00 <tjandrews> HI. 20:03:03 <wilcal> did you sell the hay 20:03:33 <tjandrews> Guy hasn't been here yet, but my brother told me he could handle it. 20:04:26 <wilcal> hope fully Son_Goku will introduce during the meeting 20:04:32 <wilcal> lets move on 20:04:39 <lewyssmith> Agree. 20:05:07 <wilcal> #topic M6 et al 20:05:35 <lewyssmith> I think silence is warranted at present. 20:05:36 <wilcal> I've been working the boot.iso's as they come along 20:05:45 <wilcal> not much luck 20:06:44 <wilcal> All the dates have been moved to TBD 20:06:51 <lewyssmith> ? 20:07:02 <wilcal> Development Dates 20:07:22 <tjandrews> I was just about to ask about that. 20:07:28 <wilcal> And the issue of possibly an M5.1 release 20:07:48 <wilcal> that for a new kernel to handle the new Intel Skylake chip 20:07:58 <wilcal> at least that's my take 20:08:20 <lewyssmith> I suspect poor tmb is having a bad spell. 20:09:09 <wilcal> probably true 20:09:24 <lewyssmith> A 5.1 may be a good idea. 20:09:53 <wilcal> IMO if we release M5.1 we committ to pushing off M6 at least 6-months 20:10:07 <wilcal> just my opinion 20:10:30 <Benmc> may well be a valid one 20:10:30 <tjandrews> I wonder if some "official" announcements on Facebook and the alt.os.linux.mageia newsgroup would be a good idea. 20:10:37 <lewyssmith> Of course. The last comment we saw was '2016 hopefully'. 20:10:59 <wilcal> not a decision for us to make but all opinions are warmly welcomed i think 20:11:22 <lewyssmith> The 'of course' related to IMO etc above. 20:11:23 <wilcal> late 2016 for M6 would be a good idea with an M5.1 release 20:11:47 <wilcal> M5 is very solid and simply updating the kernel IMO is not a big risk 20:12:22 <lewyssmith> I think users prefer a longer release life. 20:12:54 <wilcal> my opinion has always been about a 1-year release cycle 20:13:11 <wilcal> this one will be closer to 18-months 20:13:22 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Hello Ben, just noticed you. 20:13:32 <tjandrews> They've expressed that opinion on c.o.l.mageia. the longer release cycle, I mean. 20:13:46 <wilcal> I think plasma will be as muh a challange as the getting it to boot issue 20:14:00 <Benmc> Hi Lewis, still plugging away 20:14:10 <Benmc> I have booted all Live iso using various methods to various working desktops, Usb, optical and as a final resort virtual boxes 20:14:41 <wilcal> why cannot we get to working bootable media 20:14:59 <lewyssmith> Bill, better not tp press the point at present. 20:15:18 <Benmc> Gnome was an issue for the start of M5 if I remember correctly 20:15:29 <lewyssmith> And the finish... 20:15:56 <wilcal> yes Gnome is much more solid then Plasma is for us 20:16:12 <wilcal> I've been tinkering with Kubuntu just to get used to it 20:17:05 <Benmc> TBH, Plasma5 sort of grows on you, the more you use it 20:17:51 <wilcal> well lets move on then as we can't do much about this right now 20:18:03 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:18:15 <wilcal> Kinda under control 20:18:48 <lewyssmith> The list grows as fast as it is pruned. 20:18:55 <wilcal> I guess botan has to be tested on real hardware 20:19:04 <wilcal> it's just a game i guess 20:19:32 <lewyssmith> Len is looking at that - brave fellow. There are other things with it, all unkown. 20:20:07 <lewyssmith> I have started the Squid one. 20:20:08 <wilcal> I've tested jasper before so I'll give that one a go 20:20:47 <tjandrews> Luigi mentioned an upcoming LO 4.x update. I wouldn't mind seeing us move to 5.x. 20:21:23 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 20:21:23 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 20:21:36 <wilcal> just incase this laptop hiccups again 20:21:42 <lewyssmith> OK. 20:22:02 <wilcal> "LO" ?? 20:22:12 <tjandrews> libreoffice 20:22:32 <wilcal> Ahhh. Never had big problems with that except lots of people have to test it 20:23:03 <lewyssmith> Anyone know what xymon is? 20:23:22 <wilcal> no idea 20:23:39 <tjandrews> Two upstream bugs in effect now. One seems to concern libreoffice-kde, and the other affects those with older Radeon cards. 20:24:12 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What is Jasper, Bill? 20:24:23 <wilcal> multimedia thing i think 20:24:57 <wilcal> ymon monitors your hosts, your network services 20:25:21 <wilcal> i used imagemagick to test jasper 20:25:56 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16308 20:25:58 <[mbot> Bug 16308: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , "No DNS servers available!" in spamd.log due to incompatibility in Net::DNS 0.76 and higher, spamassassin-3.4.0-5.mga5 20:26:10 <wilcal> looks like one of those career enhancing bugs 20:27:25 <wilcal> not a big list but I should be able to take a couple off it it in the next day or so 20:27:45 <wilcal> anybody else with issues there 20:28:12 <lewyssmith> What is going to happen to dear old xen? 20:29:41 <lewyssmith> [stoney silence] 20:29:48 <wilcal> looks a bit complex 20:30:03 <wilcal> lots of discussion in te bug 20:30:13 <lewyssmith> Another of your career builders. 20:30:21 <wilcal> ya 20:30:41 <wilcal> anyway keep plug'n away on what you can do. 20:30:58 <wilcal> lets see if Luigi is available 20:31:10 <lewyssmith> He said he would not be. 20:31:34 <wilcal> ok big thing there is where we're gonna go with that new kernel 20:31:50 <lewyssmith> I have seen nothing about it. 20:31:56 <wilcal> I think there's a council meeting next week and a lot of these issues will be discussed 20:32:23 <lewyssmith> That's what the Council is there for. 20:32:25 <wilcal> What kernel supports the new Intel Skylake? 20:32:54 <wilcal> 4.4 i think 20:33:16 <wilcal> if you try and install M5 on a Skylake based MB it won't work 20:33:25 <wilcal> at least that's what I've heard 20:33:52 <wilcal> we should move on 20:33:59 <lewyssmith> Yes. 20:34:04 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 20:34:12 <wilcal> which is where most of this stuff goes 20:34:30 <wilcal> Does it completely die or only partially work? 20:34:55 <lewyssmith> What? M5 + Skylark? 20:35:16 <Benmc> some personal news here - ok? 20:35:25 <lewyssmith> OK 20:35:35 <Benmc> tj should note this. 20:35:44 <tjandrews> Uh-oh. 20:35:45 <wilcal> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2441309/linux-44-kernel-emerges-with-better-support-for-skylake-raspberry-pi-and-amd 20:36:15 <Benmc> at 50+ I am to a dad for the first time, so I should real that license page he is concerned about at install 20:36:30 <wilcal> super deal 20:36:44 <lewyssmith> Congrats. 20:36:50 <Benmc> thanks 20:36:51 <tjandrews> Super! 20:37:27 <wilcal> Now you get to burp someone at 2AM :-)) 20:37:35 <wilcal> been there done that 20:38:08 <Benmc> Im really looking forward to that, thanks 20:38:38 <wilcal> kids are a blessing 20:38:43 <tjandrews> I hear sleep becomes but a memory... 20:38:53 <wilcal> ya for at least 6-months 20:39:13 <Benmc> anways, anything eles . else? 20:39:25 <wilcal> had one that wouldn't sleep unless she was on my shoulder 20:39:54 <wilcal> nothing else from me 20:40:02 <wilcal> much more next meeting I'm sure 20:40:10 <Benmc> im sure 20:40:19 <wilcal> we're pretty much under control for now 20:40:29 <wilcal> thanks all for attending 20:40:40 <tjandrews> Claire will fix that. (ducking) 20:40:52 <wilcal> Count down 20:40:54 <lewyssmith> Thanks to you, Bill, for doing the honours. 20:40:56 <wilcal> T-5 20:41:00 <wilcal> no prob 20:41:07 <wilcal> done a few meetings in my time 20:41:10 <wilcal> T-4 20:41:11 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. 20:41:26 <Benmc> bye lewys 20:41:28 <wilcal> T-3 20:41:32 <tjandrews> Bye. 20:41:34 <wilcal> T-2 20:41:37 <wilcal> bye all 20:41:41 <wilcal> T-1 20:41:44 <wilcal> #endmeeting