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20:01:25 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't used it, so don't know
20:02:45 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Hexchat is good.
20:02:50 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:02:50 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:03:28 <tjandrews> There has to be a way with Chatzilla. I need to study the manual.
20:04:35 <tjandrews> So, is anything happening?
20:05:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new
20:05:15 <lewyssmith> I hope so. Let's have "Anyone new?"
20:05:36 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:06:11 <DavidWHodgins> Skimming the list, it doesn't look like it
20:06:16 <wilcal> no one is raising their hand
20:06:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 - status
20:06:32 <DavidWHodgins> Opinions?
20:06:50 <wilcal> OooooOoo
20:06:59 <lewyssmith> I refrain from comment. Others have said enough.
20:07:00 <wilcal> it's in pretty tough shape I think
20:07:17 <tjandrews> I haven't looked at it in a week. Been immersed in more "taxing" stuff.
20:07:18 <wilcal> I really can't get it installed
20:07:41 <DavidWHodgins> Not unusual for a first version, as there is still a lot of development going on
20:08:29 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Any comments?
20:08:31 <wilcal> have we made much progress
20:09:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have anything to add about Mageia 6, that hasn't been discussed in the pad or qa-discuss already?
20:10:17 <DavidWHodgins> Might be a short meeting this week. :-)
20:10:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:10:41 <wilcal> there are a lot of OK's on the list can we move some of them
20:11:11 <lewyssmith> They are a really demanding lot at present.
20:11:16 <DavidWHodgins> There are a bunch marked ok. They are waiting for me to add the advisories to svn. I have to sit down for an hour or two and get them added. Very tedious process
20:11:29 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do that right after this meeting
20:11:58 <wilcal> I think if it's ok'd in one version we can move it along
20:12:19 <lewyssmith> Yes, this is agreed when we are pressed.
20:12:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, for anything other than things like the kernel
20:12:50 <wilcal> brb
20:12:52 <hviaene> I have an issue with the fglrx update: the update package is not there???
20:14:40 <Guest45009> \nick Brian____
20:15:09 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Which package? Do you have nonfree updates testing enabled?
20:15:37 <hviaene> No, not the nonfree
20:16:20 <lewyssmith> Necessary, always. I have just checked it *is* there, 3 pkgs.
20:16:48 <hviaene> I should have noticed in the package name!!!!
20:16:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:17:18 <MrsB> Morning QA
20:17:18 <DavidWHodgins> Easy mistake to make. I've done it several times, especially when adding the advisories to svn
20:17:26 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Claire
20:17:27 <lewyssmith> Welcome, Claire.
20:17:29 <tjandrews> Morning, Claire.
20:17:31 <wilcal> back
20:17:42 <MrsB> Just got in, sorry to miss the start
20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> We're just on testing updates. No new users
20:18:04 <tjandrews> Even if it IS in the middle of the afternoon here.
20:18:23 <MrsB> Carry on Dave dude :)
20:18:44 <MrsB> Should be a few we can push now
20:18:55 <wilcal> we kinda passed over M6 :-(
20:19:06 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Quite a lot, fortunately.
20:19:08 <DavidWHodgins> I'll confirm with tmb, and if ok will validate the xen update even though I couldn't get it to work properly
20:19:17 <lewyssmith> !
20:19:32 <rindolf> Hi! Sorry I'm late.
20:19:40 <MrsB> lewis thanks for your email before, apologies for not sending a thankyou before
20:19:44 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: BTW tmb is here.
20:19:49 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa rindolf
20:20:12 <tjandrews> Hi, rindolf.
20:20:12 <DavidWHodgins> ping tmb ^^
20:20:53 <rindolf> tjandrews: sup?
20:21:26 <MrsB> I think we need to be pragmatic with things like that. Nobody responded to help with testing so the occasional issue may encourage more people to get involved
20:21:41 <tjandrews> Not much. Trying to avoid paying as many taxes as I can legally get away with.
20:21:56 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. I'll go ahead and validate it after the meeting
20:22:21 <tmb> ah, sorry ... was reading iso build logs...
20:22:37 <MrsB> it either means 1. nobody cares 2. nobody cares enough to help or 3. nobody uses it
20:22:50 <DavidWHodgins> For the fglrx and nvidia kernel modules, those should be tested on both i586 and x86_64
20:23:08 <DavidWHodgins> On real hardware
20:23:25 <lewyssmith> polarssl requires heavy applications; radicale is not playing ball yet;  nor libvirt.
20:23:36 <DavidWHodgins> I can ok the fglrx one on x86_64
20:23:37 <wilcal> is radicale broke?
20:23:50 <hviaene> With someluck I could have a go at those tomorrow afternoon
20:24:00 <DavidWHodgins> for polarssl, just test pdns
20:24:06 <lewyssmith> No, but get it to work...
20:24:08 <tmb> please wait a day with the xen package... I'll try to get it tested here tomorrow... I hade hoped alien as official maintainer would help out but..
20:24:20 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok. Thanks
20:24:35 <tjandrews> I can try the nvidia 340 package on both.
20:24:45 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Is pdns easy to test?
20:24:45 <MrsB> polarssl has a self test facility iirc, best to check with mcc that it updates properly rather than installing the packages on cli as the names changed - it'll ensure they are properly replacing the originals
20:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I've never tested it before, so am not sure
20:25:11 <MrsB> pdns is very easy yes, check past updates
20:25:53 <tjandrews> I could try the 304 package on my brother's computer, but if it breaks it I'll never hear the end of it.
20:25:58 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test fglrx on i586 later today
20:26:14 <lewyssmith> And I will tomorrow. x86.
20:27:04 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Just be sure you know how to go back to the prior version if needed
20:27:37 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I notice you did not have any joy with radical.
20:28:01 <wilcal> I put some considerable time into understanding that thing
20:28:11 <lewyssmith> Me too...
20:28:16 <wilcal> no joy
20:28:29 <lewyssmith> No. Yet to note results.
20:28:51 <MrsB> I'll try and get some time tmrw afternoon
20:29:33 <ennael> grumbl back with a crapy 1G (at least)
20:29:48 <MrsB> hi ennael
20:29:50 <wilcal> i always struggle with either it's really broke or I don't understand it
20:29:51 <DavidWHodgins> Good you have you back
20:30:01 <lewyssmith> Is openssl easy to test?
20:30:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:30:44 <MrsB> even have a wiki page for that one
20:31:08 <wilcal> i'll get through ffmpg today or tomorrow
20:32:57 <DavidWHodgins> Any other updates to discuss?
20:33:14 <lewyssmith> I feel more hopeful now.
20:33:22 <MrsB> tmb: we have a few backports atm
20:33:30 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: I will rebuild 64bits isos tonight or tomorrow morning
20:33:48 <MrsB> how do you want us to go about getting them pushed - just ask on sysadmin ml?
20:33:51 <hviaene> Just a suggestion: put the windows manager in the subject of the bug where applicable please
20:34:01 <tmb> ennael, I resynced frozen repo for some fixes... last package in: gitg-3.19.6-1.mga6
20:34:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info Expect new classical iso images tonight or tomorrow
20:34:13 <hviaene> like 17456: its  a LXDE issue
20:34:32 <wilcal> crossing fingers for an M6 install
20:34:37 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, post them on sysadm for now
20:34:43 <MrsB> ok tah
20:35:09 <MrsB> #info Just ask on sysadmin ML to push backports for now
20:35:17 <MrsB> herman good idea
20:35:26 <ennael> tmb: ok
20:35:47 <Akien> For backports the idea is to both sysadmins by asking them to push them manually. After a while they'll get bored and write the proper tools that they need to simply it :p
20:35:56 <lewyssmith> hviaene: You could post that idea on the mailList.
20:36:04 <Akien> s/both/bother/
20:36:09 <DavidWHodgins> For menu-cache, it should be tested on other de's too, even if only the lxde part is expected to change
20:36:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:36:21 <MrsB> lol Akien, never know. Still no bugzilla integration with mgaadv
20:36:39 <Akien> MrsB: That's because we're the one uploading advisories manually :p
20:36:50 <hviaene> lewissmith: QA discuss???
20:37:08 <lewyssmith> Yes.
20:37:39 <DavidWHodgins> Keep in mind we can edit the titles in bugzilla quite easily
20:37:50 <lewyssmith> hviaene: But not many of us know which window manager we are using - just the desktop.
20:38:40 <DavidWHodgins> In this case, it's the desktop environment (lxde). Desktop managers are things like gdm, lxdm, etc
20:38:58 <hviaene> Heh???? KDE and Xfce are vastly different, so is LXDE of Icewm, you could be mistaken???
20:39:27 <tmb> btw, seems live isos builds ok and atleast gnome test iso now boots ... oh, and sorry for pushing older isos on official test tree before I've tested them :/
20:39:55 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Dave, I know that much! But some offer a choice of Window Managers.
20:39:57 <ennael> it may be my fault...
20:40:11 <MrsB> The Desktop Manager is the login bit Herman, before you get to the Desktop Environment
20:40:37 <hviaene> OK, bad wording, but I think you got the message
20:40:50 <MrsB> yep
20:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> urpmf /etc/X11/wmsession.d/|sort -u will give a list of all of the desktop environments available
20:41:14 <DavidWHodgins> Ready to move on?
20:41:39 <wilcal> i'm ready
20:41:39 <lewyssmith> Let us.
20:41:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
20:41:53 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_lappy
20:43:16 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like he's busy
20:44:07 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves us with ...
20:44:13 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:44:24 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:44:26 <MrsB> OpenQA
20:44:36 <rindolf> Not here.
20:44:44 <DavidWHodgins> vlad isn't here today
20:44:47 <MrsB> ennael: could you say a few words about where we are with OpenQA please
20:44:50 <wilcal> so new M6 ISOS is 24/48 or so
20:45:08 <MrsB> didi I see server it now ready?
20:45:37 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: hours, yes.
20:45:45 <wilcal> thks
20:46:03 <MrsB> Vlad is ready for it to be pushed to infra now, doktor5000 emailed sysadmin about it yesterday IIRC
20:46:09 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MrsB
20:46:09 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:46:38 <MrsB> let me re-read council meeting a sec
20:46:55 <DavidWHodgins> #info Just ask on sysadmin ML to push backports for now
20:48:12 <MrsB> #info New server should be set up this weekend - This paves the way for OpenQA, Reviewboard & more
20:49:19 <lewyssmith> To precipitate the mass exit, I'm off: goodbye everyone, thanks for comings, thanks to the chairs.
20:49:19 <MrsB> How was FOSDEM?
20:49:43 <MrsB> Nite lewis
20:50:03 <hviaene> I had a great time there on saturday
20:50:14 <wilcal> good crowd i see
20:50:20 <MrsB> did you find it alright?
20:50:36 <hviaene> It was nice to meet people I knew only by name
20:51:25 <hviaene> I asked Thomas Backlund whether he knew Mageia, I hadn't seen him ever!
20:51:36 <wilcal> Brussels has a nice metro system
20:51:40 <MrsB> lol funny but understandable
20:51:56 <MrsB> did he say yes?
20:52:12 <hviaene> Yes, he was very kind
20:52:42 <MrsB> Ready for the countdown then folks?
20:53:03 <wilcal> i'm ready
20:53:10 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:53:10 <wilcal> for dem iso's
20:53:15 <MrsB> :)
20:53:18 <MrsB> 4
20:53:20 <MrsB> 3
20:53:25 <MrsB> Thanks for being here everybody
20:53:27 <MrsB> 2
20:53:29 <MrsB> 1
20:53:33 <MrsB> #endmeeting