20:01:04 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:01:04 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jan 28 20:01:04 2016 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:04 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:13 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MrsB 20:01:13 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 20:01:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - Anyone present who hasn't been to an IRC qa meeting? 20:01:38 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone introduce yourself. I'll start. 20:01:40 <rindolf> megafab is new. 20:01:46 <megafab> yeah 20:02:10 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. Been with Mageia since it started, and qa deputy leader since the first team elections 20:02:16 <wilcal> tell us about yourselves 20:02:30 <DavidWHodgins> I'm a 55 year old former mainframe software developer 20:02:38 <megafab> i'm fabien mignotet 20:02:44 <rindolf> I am Shlomi ( http://www.shlomifish.org/ ) m/38 from Tel Aviv, Israel 20:02:45 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ] 20:02:50 <megafab> from villeparisis near paris, france 20:03:00 <rindolf> megafab: nice. 20:03:06 <tjandrews> My name is Thomas J. Andrews, but call me TJ. I'm a 66-year-old farmer in Central New York State, USA. 20:03:22 <megafab> i'm 37 year old 20:03:30 <rindolf> megafab: ah. 20:03:36 <megafab> i'm techncien in public administration 20:03:37 <tarazed> I'm a 76 year old hasbeen from Edinburgh, Scotland. 50 years of computer experience. 20:03:44 <Ages> David, Colorado, USA, Microsoft Windows junkie 20:04:04 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 20:04:05 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968 20:04:53 <rindolf> tarazed: wow! 50 years is a lot. 20:05:17 <DavidWHodgins> My first programming was in high school, in 1975 20:05:17 <wilcal> that's when you could climb inside a computer 20:05:17 <hviaene> Herman Viaene from Belgium started on computers in 1971 20:05:23 <tarazed> The Ferranti Pegasus is now in the Science Museum. 20:05:34 <rindolf> tarazed: I've been to the old city of Edinburgh and some other parts of Scotland. 20:05:46 <megafab> wow i'm child :) 20:06:00 <wilcal> some old grey beards here lol 20:06:06 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 20:06:08 <tjandrews> My first exposure was a Fortran programming course in 1969. 20:06:20 <wilcal> cobal? 20:06:32 <DavidWHodgins> I started with fortran iv, then cobol, asm, etc 20:06:40 <brian____> first language basic in 1982 20:06:40 <DavidWHodgins> pl/1 too 20:06:41 <hviaene> That was a language!!!!! 20:06:46 <tarazed> Mine was Agol60 taught by the author Ed Dkikstra. 20:06:57 <tarazed> Algol60 20:07:03 <Akien> megafab: I'm 24 and (French) energy engineer working in Germany 20:07:07 <hviaene> Fortran 20:07:08 <Akien> So you're not the youngest one :p 20:07:08 <stef74> I'm stephane Flavigny technician on site 33 year old 20:07:11 <hviaene> i mean 20:07:38 <megafab> Akien we are a baby 20:08:04 <Benmc> benmc . new zealand newish still 20:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Let's move on, or we'll be here reminising forever. :-) 20:08:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 20:08:31 <wilcal> wow m6 20:08:52 <DavidWHodgins> Seems to have stalled in the last few days. Mostly waiting for some critical bugs to get fixed, like starting X on a live dvd 20:08:56 <wilcal> I'm trying to find something that does the same thing everywhere I test it 20:08:57 <tjandrews> Looooong way to go, from this perspective... 20:09:15 <wilcal> roughest start for Mageia i think 20:09:20 <tarazed> Can't get anywhere with the Lives. 20:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> For the first snapshot, all we expect is that it can boot, and startx. Many bugs are expected 20:09:47 <DavidWHodgins> We've had worse starts before, like when uefi support was added. 20:09:48 <hviaene> My HP Probook died last sunday, have to start all over again on a new Lenovo 20:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. Dying hardware is a pain. 20:10:10 <tjandrews> MrsB seemed to think that might be a Good Thing. That it might mean less trouble in the later stages. 20:10:21 <wilcal> the mouse/keyboard thing is about as far as I've gotten 20:10:24 <tjandrews> The rough start, I mean. 20:10:54 <MrsB> Morning QA 20:11:03 <wilcal> it does not like my i7 nvidia platform 20:11:06 <tjandrews> Speak of the devil... 20:11:10 <wilcal> hello MrsB 20:11:10 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Claire 20:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> How are you doing? 20:11:19 <tjandrews> Hi, Claire. 20:11:22 <MrsB> Hi, sorry just finished dinner 20:11:31 <tarazed> Morning Claire 20:11:34 <rindolf> MrsB: morning. 20:11:49 <MrsB> carry on Dave dude :) 20:12:12 <DavidWHodgins> Don't forget to add 6dev1 to the whiteboard entry for any Mageia 6 bug reports 20:12:15 <wilcal> we were all trying to find something that works on M6 20:12:37 <DavidWHodgins> Also keep https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia6-dev1 up-to-date 20:12:38 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 20:13:50 <tjandrews> I found several in my few trials, but they'd all been reported already. 20:14:00 <MrsB> What are the main issues atm? 20:14:08 <DavidWHodgins> Please keep on testing Mageia 6, as much as you can. Also, keep an eye on the qa-discuss mailing list for notifications of new iso images 20:14:20 <rindolf> MrsB: some things take a long time to start. 20:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: For me, X not starting on live iso images unless I use the vesa driver 20:14:34 <rindolf> MrsB: and the installer is missing the mouse cursor at the first screen. 20:14:54 <alfred__> mcc not starting from menu, some gtk3 issues 20:15:05 <MrsB> #info mouse cursor missing in stage 2 and X not starting on live's 20:15:27 <DavidWHodgins> Bugs like slow start, or no mouse on first screen are ok for the dev1 snapshot. They just have to be documented in the errata, with how to work around them. 20:15:30 <MrsB> #info mcc not starting 20:15:48 <alfred__> mouse cursor comes up after accepting license in classical install dvd 20:16:00 <MrsB> they install ok with keyboard? 20:16:03 <tarazed> Can't get to console during boot of Lives because of users sessions being started endlessly. 20:16:07 <DavidWHodgins> For the first dev snapshot, just getting X to start is ok 20:16:18 <MrsB> yes i agree Dave 20:16:28 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Yes. It's just the first screen where the mouse cursor isn't visible. 20:16:32 <MrsB> as long as they will install and can boot/login 20:17:02 <DavidWHodgins> megafab: MrsB is our team leader. 20:17:12 <megafab> ok 20:17:20 <MrsB> HI megafab, I saw your emails. Welcome to the team 20:17:27 <megafab> thanks 20:17:37 <MrsB> Did Dave forward the info you needed? 20:18:21 <DavidWHodgins> I sent it. megafab did you get it, and figure out how to get the iso images, etc.? 20:18:37 <megafab> yes 20:18:57 <MrsB> cool beans :) 20:19:12 <DavidWHodgins> If you need help figuring out how to test them, ask here, or in the qa-discuss mailing list 20:19:13 <rindolf> MrsB: please try to reproduce this bug - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17590 20:19:15 <[mbot> Bug 17590: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , konsole freezes for about a minute the first time one right clicks a selection, konsole-15.12.1-1.mga6.src.rpm 20:19:17 <MrsB> Did we congratulate wilcal on his SCALE adventure? 20:19:28 <rindolf> MrsB: I was told your setup is similar to mine. 20:19:34 <brian____> I haven't - it looked fun 20:19:48 <wilcal> SCaLE was super 20:19:56 <rindolf> wilcal: that's great. 20:20:04 <MrsB> let's save it for later then, he can tell us all about it 20:20:06 <tarazed> A vote of thanks to Bill 20:20:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, wilcal Thanks for representing Mageia at scale 20:20:17 <wilcal> 1000's of people walked by our booth 20:20:26 <wilcal> great fun 20:20:55 <wilcal> as my note said lots of people know the mandrake -> mandriva -> mageia connection 20:21:03 <DavidWHodgins> Anything more to add about Mageia 6 before we move on? 20:21:09 <wilcal> everyone remembers the MCC 20:21:23 <wilcal> next iso's? 20:21:30 <MrsB> If anybody can reproduce the bug rindolf showed please add your details to the bug report 20:21:36 <DavidWHodgins> Waiting for bug fixes first wilcal 20:22:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any problems, difficulties, issues? 20:22:22 <MrsB> Is another round going to be needed? 20:22:30 <MrsB> oops too slow 20:22:35 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, I think so 20:22:41 <DavidWHodgins> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 20:22:43 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:23:20 <DavidWHodgins> That's our main tool for figuring out which updates are ready for testing, for stable releases. Currently only Mageia 5. 20:23:33 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17633 20:23:35 <[mbot> Bug 17633: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , phpmyadmin new security issues fixed upstream in 4.4.15.3, phpmyadmin-4.2.13.3-1.3.mga5.src.rpm 20:23:42 <wilcal> looks like a broken update 20:24:37 <MrsB> can you debug that any wilcal 20:24:52 <MrsB> check /var/log/httpd/error.log 20:25:04 <DavidWHodgins> did you restart httpd.service after installing the update? 20:25:12 <tjandrews> Did I miss much? I had to go sell a guy some hay to use to bed his chickens. 20:25:47 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: megafab is a new qa team member. We've covered Mageia 6. Currently on updates 20:26:18 <tjandrews> I left in the middle of the Mageia 6 topic. 20:26:19 <hviaene> nd in the mean time we solved the Syrian crisis 20:26:34 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:26:37 <wilcal> it's a webapp and comes up a white screen on the browser 20:26:41 <MrsB> lol if only it were that easy 20:26:51 <wilcal> let's see what luigi thinks 20:27:04 <MrsB> the error.log should show more detail wilcal 20:27:19 <wilcal> error.log where 20:27:32 <MrsB> in /var/log/httpd/error.log 20:27:46 <wilcal> got it thanks 20:28:12 <MrsB> also journal might show if it's causing any segfault 20:29:40 <tarazed> Having some difficulties with jasper #16629, currently in feedback mode. 20:29:55 <MrsB> I saw that Len, good work 20:30:14 <MrsB> any others look scary or causing problems? 20:31:49 <DavidWHodgins> I've asked for help on the dev list, testing xen. Worst case, I'll ok it, just on the basis that it installs cleanly. 20:32:39 <DavidWHodgins> It seems to start ok, but crashes as soon as a guest install starts scanning usb devices 20:33:34 <DavidWHodgins> I don't know if it's a problem with xen, or with my testing, as I've only used xen before, when testing prior updates. 20:33:54 <MrsB> i don't think i've tested that one, must have been your baby 20:34:21 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. And my notes weren't very good. :-( 20:34:59 <MrsB> what does tmb think? 20:35:14 <megafab> just one question, on which platform you are testing M6 ? 20:35:31 <DavidWHodgins> Both i586 and x86_64 need testing 20:35:42 <MrsB> any you have available megafab 20:35:42 <brian____> I've tried xen and well - not much progress 20:35:52 <DavidWHodgins> tmb hasn't responded on xen 20:35:55 <megafab> ok 20:36:07 <MrsB> the bottom line is, it needs to work everywhere. all tests are valid 20:36:15 <DavidWHodgins> megafab: Keep in mind, both i586 and x86_64 can be tested on an i586 system 20:36:34 <brian____> but your processor needs to support virtual 20:36:37 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. on an x86_64 system. :-) 20:36:39 <megafab> I can test on different plateform 20:36:54 <megafab> hyper-V, proxmox,xen 20:36:59 <DavidWHodgins> brian____: That's only for testing under xen or qemu, etc. 20:37:05 <megafab> desktop, laptop 20:37:11 <MrsB> great :) 20:37:18 <brian____> tru - the VM's 20:37:41 <DavidWHodgins> We need them tested both under virtual machines, and on real hardware 20:37:47 <megafab> ok 20:38:05 <megafab> i can do this 20:38:15 <MrsB> if you know xen well you might like to help test the update for it for mga5 20:38:38 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16956 20:38:39 <[mbot> Bug 16956: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , xen security issues..., xen 20:38:56 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. Test a Mageia 6 install, under xen running on a Mageia 5 system. 20:39:01 <MrsB> brb 20:39:37 <megafab> ok 20:40:07 <DavidWHodgins> It should also be tested under VirtualBox, and if you know how, under qemu. 20:41:20 <tjandrews> Careful... Don't bury the guy... 20:41:24 <DavidWHodgins> For the updates, don't be afraid to test an update for a package you've never heard of before. That's one of the benfits of being on the qa team, is that you get exposure to packages you likely never would have looked at otherwise. Good learning experience. 20:41:36 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:42:01 <DavidWHodgins> Main thing is, never be afraid to ask questions. We are all still learning. 20:42:08 <megafab> ok 20:42:40 <DavidWHodgins> #info Try to keep on top of testing updates 20:42:55 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions about testing updates? 20:43:47 <megafab> no further questions at this time 20:44:13 <tjandrews> What about mentoring? 20:44:36 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, normally the next topic would be Luigi's roundup, giving us a heads up on what updates are expected soon. He'll be emailing that info to the qa-discuss mailing list, so we'll skip that topic this week 20:44:43 <DavidWHodgins> Good point 20:44:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring 20:45:12 <tjandrews> I was thinking that might be a help for megafab. 20:45:26 <MrsB> back again, sorry 20:45:27 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_mjentoring_page 20:45:40 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_mentoring_page 20:45:45 <megafab> tha,ks 20:45:53 <MrsB> Anybody feel up to the task? 20:46:23 <MrsB> everybody knows enough now 20:46:44 <brian____> yes found rm -rf / very effective 20:46:50 <DavidWHodgins> Been a while since that's been used. 20:46:52 <DavidWHodgins> brian____: lol 20:47:13 <DavidWHodgins> Should be someone who keeps roughly the same hours, so usually in the same timezone 20:47:29 <MrsB> come on guys, somebody step forward 20:47:45 <rindolf> MrsB: me? 20:48:01 <rindolf> MrsB: though I don't know how to mentor people in QA. 20:48:28 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: It's just answering questions as they come up, usually via irc 20:48:35 <MrsB> if you want to rindolf, was thining maybe len or herman might like to? 20:48:39 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: ah. 20:48:58 <DavidWHodgins> That's why same timezone/schedule matters 20:49:01 <MrsB> explain how to get started testing updates, working with the isos etc 20:49:23 <tarazed> Not me - my life is too irregular right now - and I forget what I have already learnt. Nice thought though. 20:49:39 <hviaene> Soory, but too much absent for the next two weeks, things may settle down thereafter 20:49:44 <DavidWHodgins> megafab: One main point. Don't wait to get asked to test things. Just go ahead and jump right in. :-) 20:49:45 <hviaene> Sorry 20:49:57 <tarazed> Yeah. Apologies. 20:50:23 <tjandrews> Despite MrsB's confidence, I only know just enough to get me into trouble. And, I'm on a different continent. 20:50:38 <tarazed> +1 20:51:00 <DavidWHodgins> I'll offer then, though I keep very weird hours, so availibilty will be spotty 20:51:06 <hviaene> TJ: Liarslurp 20:51:15 <megafab> ok i jump :) 20:51:25 <MrsB> megafab: I can mentor you but will have to be via email at the moment 20:51:55 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, megafab. Your choice. Clair in England, or me in Canada. 20:52:03 * MrsB watches everybody take a step back 20:52:07 <DavidWHodgins> s /Clair/Claire/ 20:52:17 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:52:44 <megafab> i don't know 20:52:46 <hviaene> Ask me again in a fotnight if still needed 20:52:53 <MrsB> drop me an email to eeeemail@gmail.com megafab and we'll get you started 20:52:56 <hviaene> s fot/fort 20:53:01 <megafab> ok 20:53:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. For our usual last topic ... 20:53:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:53:34 <hviaene> Yes 20:53:54 <hviaene> I volunteerd to be in the Mageia booth at FOSDEM 20:54:03 <DavidWHodgins> Great! 20:54:08 <MrsB> well done herman 20:54:19 <hviaene> but I haven(t heard anything further yet 20:54:39 <hviaene> Who to meet? dress Code???????? 20:54:50 <MrsB> no dress code, whatever is comfortable 20:55:22 <hviaene> biggrin 20:55:24 <MrsB> just tell people at the stand who you are when you get there. Do you know where it is? 20:55:39 <tjandrews> Will be expecting another cinematic masterpiece, like wilcal's. 20:55:47 <hviaene> Yes, its only 40km from here 20:55:59 <MrsB> do you know how to find the mageia stand? 20:56:04 <hviaene> No 20:56:28 <MrsB> I'm sure there's been a map. I'll forward it to you 20:56:37 <hviaene> As i said I have no news except Marja saying "Great" 20:56:55 <MrsB> ok, leave it with me herman. I'll send you some details 20:57:05 <DavidWHodgins> Probably best to contact one or more of the other people listed at https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2016 20:57:06 <hviaene> Tx 20:58:23 <MrsB> https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/buildings/#k 20:58:24 <[mbot> [ FOSDEM 2016 - Buildings ] 20:58:37 <MrsB> https://fosdem.org/2016/stands/ 20:58:38 <[mbot> [ FOSDEM 2016 - Stands ] 20:58:58 <MrsB> It's Building K, level 1, group B 21:00:06 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else before the meeting closes? 21:00:12 <MrsB> Yes 21:00:29 <MrsB> Congrats wilcal, well done & cool video 21:00:40 <brian____> yes - wish I could have been there 21:00:43 <DavidWHodgins> +1 21:00:45 <MrsB> starsky & hutch theme too :D 21:02:10 <MrsB> let's do the countdown then, Dave over to you .. 21:02:37 <MrsB> morning vladz 21:02:58 <rindolf> vladz: morning. 21:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa vladz Anything to add before we close the meeting? 21:03:44 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, Countdown time 21:03:48 <DavidWHodgins> t-5 21:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> 4 21:03:54 <vladz> Hi everyone - sorry got the times wromg again 21:04:05 <DavidWHodgins> lol. That's ok. It happens 21:04:17 <vladz> just wanted to add a few comments re openqa 21:04:25 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead 21:04:49 <wilcal> have fun a t FOSDEM 21:05:30 <MrsB> good job sticking with that vladz, it'll be of huge value when it's ready 21:05:46 <vladz> I have successfully run a boot-install-reboot to plasma test for the 6bb dvd. Openqa running on M6. 21:06:00 <DavidWHodgins> Nice 21:06:06 <vladz> The interest is in running it on infra-rabbit. 21:06:14 <vladz> The interest is in running it on infra-rabbit. 21:06:27 <DavidWHodgins> What version of Mageia is running on rabbit? 21:06:46 <MrsB> it is/will be 5 21:07:03 <vladz> Florian is backporting to Mga5 to install on that environment 21:07:28 <MrsB> doktor5000 has been helping with packaging it and says it shouldn't take too much to backport it to infra 21:07:30 <MrsB> yes 21:07:40 <vladz> Who would be the best person in infra to talk to about deployment details? 21:07:54 <MrsB> probably tmb/ennael 21:08:07 <vladz> Currently working on tests for the live versions -over! 21:08:52 <DavidWHodgins> I would think anyone from http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-sysadmin.html 21:08:53 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-sysadmin ] 21:09:40 <vladz> Thanks - I will sound oud out those mls. 21:10:06 <MrsB> did you find the sysadmin ml? 21:10:57 <MrsB> https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/sysadmin-discuss 21:10:58 <[mbot> [ sysadmin-discuss - Sysadmin team discussions - info ] 21:11:08 <DavidWHodgins> It's a fairly low volume list 21:11:09 <vladz> That is most of what I had to say. I am also preparing more accessible documentation, in one place, for the Mageia deployment 21:11:25 <DavidWHodgins> Great. Thanks vladz 21:11:40 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone ready to close the meeting now? 21:11:48 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 21:11:52 <DavidWHodgins> 4 21:11:54 <MrsB> it's been a big task and I'm so glad you've stuck with it vladz. It'll really help the team 21:11:59 <DavidWHodgins> 3 21:11:59 <vladz> Ok - won't hold the punctual folks any further! 21:12:05 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:12:09 <DavidWHodgins> 2 21:12:12 <DavidWHodgins> 1 21:12:18 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting