20:06:29 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:06:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 20:06:29 2016 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:06:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:47 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith wilcal DavidWHodgin 20:06:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgin MrsB lewyssmith wilcal 20:06:48 <DavidWHodgin> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say Hi! 20:07:02 <MrsB> Welcome to another one guys 20:07:12 <MrsB> Is anybody new today? 20:07:31 <lewyssmith> [no obvious sign] 20:07:38 <MrsB> no tracks 20:07:38 <Benmc> no-one admitting it 20:07:43 <brian_> <gray bearded here> 20:07:49 <MrsB> ok then :) 20:08:08 <MrsB> #topic Me.. 20:08:23 <MrsB> This is a bit of a difficult one 20:08:46 <lewyssmith> Your decision. 20:09:09 <MrsB> Increasing demands on my time from various angles are making it very hard for me to contribute, let alone lead the team as it deserves to be led. 20:09:25 <wilcal> are you getting more work 20:09:28 <MrsB> you probably noticed 20:09:35 <MrsB> that and other stuff 20:10:09 <MrsB> Things may change in a few months when my contract ends, but really I hope it wont 20:10:26 <wilcal> share with us a little of what your going to be doing 20:10:45 <MrsB> I am painfully aware that at the moment I'm not being a very good leader 20:11:28 <MrsB> It means we need to make a decision 20:12:00 <MrsB> I like to think the team has always had good leadership and want it to continue that way 20:12:11 <MrsB> it needs it now though 20:12:16 <wilcal> it is a team 20:12:34 <MrsB> there's a few of us now and some good skills between us 20:13:08 <MrsB> I'm at a point where I need to take at least a step back, allow others to lead 20:13:24 <MrsB> you all deserve that as does the community 20:13:30 <DavidWHodgin> While I certainly understand the need to take a break, from time to time, I don't think you need to step down. 20:14:03 <wilcal> I have some general thoughts I'd like to share 20:14:30 <lewyssmith> Of you go, Bill. 20:14:35 <tjandrews> Sabbaticals are acceptable to me... 20:14:42 <MrsB> Well, this is the choice really. I can take a step back and officially let you guys deputise and see how it goes.. or I can make it official and step down and we could maybe even have a new election 20:14:45 <wilcal> pre-recorded message :-)) 20:15:02 <wilcal> Many thanks to MrsB for her efforts to lead this group over the years. 20:15:03 <wilcal> I look forward to whatever capacity shes sees herself here in the future. 20:15:05 <wilcal> Am I qualified. You betcha. I've a Degree in Computer Engineering ( 68 ). 20:15:06 <wilcal> I've managed entire departments of technical people on two continents ( USA & Europe ). 20:15:08 <wilcal> And, have been part of the Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia Distro since 98. 20:15:09 <wilcal> I'm now retired and am continuing to work hard at being irresponsible ( doctors orders ). 20:15:11 <wilcal> I see this as a golden opportunity. Managing a group of technical people and getting 20:15:12 <wilcal> results is an art-form. Just getting the opportunity to do that is a privilege. There 20:15:14 <wilcal> are people here in our group who I believe could really use that reference on their resume'. 20:15:15 <wilcal> I am especially encouraging students ( and I know your here ) to really consider taking 20:15:17 <wilcal> the reins here and do it. The day after you became leader of this group put that on 20:15:18 <wilcal> your Linkedin profile and resume' Go for it. I'll continue to support as best I can. 20:15:20 <wilcal> You will be the QA Group Leader of one of the top 5 Linux Distributions. Not bad. 20:16:23 <Akien> Phew, I'm no longer a student :P 20:16:42 <wilcal> This is really an opportunity for someone 20:16:42 <MrsB> Yeah, so I need to know what you all want me to do 20:16:49 <DavidWHodgin> :-) 20:16:59 <lewyssmith> Akien: There is always the U3A. 20:17:04 <wilcal> I think we should see if there is someone who wants to take the reins 20:17:10 <DavidWHodgin> My vote is take a break, and see how you feel in a month or so. 20:17:40 <brian_> MrsB - how many months on your contract that are known? <if you can share> 20:17:44 <wilcal> Absolutely we have been doing fine but I think we should really think about someone stepping up 20:17:46 <tarazed> But work can be all consuming, and with a family to look after... 20:17:54 <Benmc> currently there is a deputy leader. correct? 20:18:00 <lewyssmith> I see it more as how *available* Claire is, not how she feels. 20:18:04 <wilcal> Two actually 20:18:08 <wilcal> Me and David 20:18:28 <wilcal> We don't have to make this decision today 20:18:38 <lewyssmith> Bill has been effectively leading the group quite a lot lately. 20:18:48 <DavidWHodgin> Who can't figure out why konversation is now dropping the s off of the end of my name. :-) 20:19:01 <tarazed> So how do you feel about it wilcal? 20:19:12 <wilcal> Yes, and I don't mind that but I do not want to be in the way of someone who can really use the reference and experence 20:19:16 <MrsB> do /nick DavidWHodgins 20:19:22 <wilcal> read my message 20:19:50 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Thanks 20:19:56 <wilcal> you don't have to be the best or extremely technical just lead technical people 20:20:06 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I thought your discourse was about yourself, until the end! 20:20:07 <MrsB> well this is the choice really. In a nutshell, we can either stick with the deputies for the time being or hold an election and find a new leader 20:20:16 <wilcal> a HUGE reference on your resume's and Linkedin 20:20:28 <wilcal> I don't need a job 20:20:44 <Benmc> official elections are due when? 20:20:48 <wilcal> MrsB a question of you. Do you think your experence here helped you find work 20:21:06 <tjandrews> I don't need another job, either. 20:21:07 <tmb> after Fosdem usually iirc 20:21:08 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Usually right after fosdem 20:21:19 <MrsB> Yeah, early Feb 20:21:23 <brian_> My thought - not that anyone should or does take me seriously ;-) 20:21:25 <wilcal> Cool 20:21:51 <brian_> MrsB if you feel like you need to step down - do it. I doubt any of us would be offended by it at all. 20:21:52 <wilcal> So everyone give it a thought and we will revisit this after fosdem 20:22:29 <Akien> I think the team can continue as is until the elections then - and MrsB is of course free to take some time off, the deputies will continue leading as they did recently 20:22:44 <wilcal> Agreed Akien 20:22:47 <Benmc> +1 20:22:47 <Akien> In the meantime wilcal has the opportunity to talk many people into candidating for the future elections ;) 20:22:48 <brian_> agreed 20:22:58 <tjandrews> Sounds like a plan, Aiken. 20:23:04 <DavidWHodgins> Ok with me 20:23:09 <brian_> I promise not to run 20:23:10 <wilcal> ok by me 20:23:27 <MrsB> Lewis ok with that too? 20:23:28 <lewyssmith> Agree, of course. But we have been here before. 20:23:56 <wilcal> I tend to be of a pushy manager 20:24:06 <MrsB> Let's do that then. 20:24:18 <brian_> @wilcal - me too 20:24:20 <tarazed> That's ok bill - maybe we need pushing. 20:24:22 <lewyssmith> wilcal: In your younger days! 20:24:42 <MrsB> it's mentoring and motivating now, not managing 20:24:44 <tarazed> Agreed. 20:24:49 <wilcal> There was a course in technical management at school I didn't take it 20:24:58 <wilcal> it's an artform 20:25:03 <DavidWHodgins> #Action Decisions on elections will be made before fosdem 20:25:04 <wilcal> like manageing cats 20:25:17 <brian_> yup 20:25:21 <MrsB> after Dave, normal time 20:25:27 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I thought it was *after*. 20:25:37 <DavidWHodgins> Decision before, election after 20:25:37 <MrsB> #undo 20:25:37 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb693d38c> 20:25:56 <wilcal> we'll revist this after fosdem 20:26:01 <MrsB> #Action Decisions on elections will be made after fosdem, deputies wil deputise until then 20:26:34 <MrsB> Thanks guys and I'm really sorry and sad that it's come to this 20:26:47 <DavidWHodgins> Don't feel bad about it 20:26:50 <brian_> Don't be - it's life 20:26:57 <wilcal> Don't be sorry you've done a great job here 20:27:10 <brian_> agreed 20:27:15 <MrsB> Let's move on then 20:27:20 <tarazed> We are all grateful for what you have done. 20:27:25 <wilcal> Somebody here needs your job 20:27:26 <DavidWHodgins> Don't see vlad here, so 20:27:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any problems, difficulties, issues? 20:27:45 <MrsB> A quick word about OpenQA anyway 20:28:02 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Sorry, missed that 20:28:18 <MrsB> Vlad has been working with Florian (doktor5000) and OpenQA is now packages and mostly working as it should in Cauldron 20:28:40 <MrsB> It should be able to be backported to 5 sometime soon 20:29:00 <MrsB> it can then be pressed into action on the build server with any luck! 20:29:05 <lewyssmith> Is that necessary? Its main interest is pre-release testing. 20:29:14 <lewyssmith> backport 20:29:20 <MrsB> Well, if not 5 then infra_5 for sysadmins 20:29:35 <tmb> lewyssmith, backport for infra that is :) 20:29:43 <lewyssmith> infra? 20:30:00 <tmb> lewyssmith, the mageia servers 20:30:37 <lewyssmith> And the sysadmin interest? 20:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: short for infrastructure 20:31:12 <DavidWHodgins> The sysadmins build the iso images 20:31:29 <MrsB> They'll make it workon the server when we get it into a working package 20:31:37 <tmb> lewyssmith, well, it hits me both as sysadmin and iso builder :) 20:31:56 <MrsB> it'll mean the ISOs can be basically tested before people get their hands on them 20:32:19 <MrsB> perhaps in future it could also be used for testing some updates too 20:32:35 <MrsB> one of your wishes :) 20:32:42 <lewyssmith> Vlad deserves big praise for his work (Florian also, surely). 20:33:43 <MrsB> It's something we've wanted since day one really. Just needed somebody with time, knowledge and dedication to brin it all together and Vlad has done a great Job - along with Florian 20:34:35 <MrsB> So on to testing updates 20:34:37 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 20:34:48 <MrsB> It's been a busy period for updates 20:34:53 <lewyssmith> Too many, too diffiuclt! 20:35:12 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:35:14 <brian_> lots out there. 20:35:23 <DavidWHodgins> 20 right now 20:35:30 <lewyssmith> We certainly need to accept just one OK (except for kernels). 20:35:36 <MrsB> There have been a number of people getting involved and big-ups to you, you know who you are 20:35:36 <tarazed> Most of the easy ones are gone now. 20:35:45 <brian_> confusion on my part what's the difference between kernel-linus, kernel-tmb and what appears to be the regular one 20:35:52 <MrsB> Yes, agree with that Lewis 20:36:05 <wilcal> tmb still here? 20:36:16 <tmb> yep 20:36:19 <MrsB> #info continue with validating on one OK, apart from kernels etc 20:36:29 <DavidWHodgins> Search the wiki on "kernel flavours" (might be flavors) 20:36:42 <wilcal> one of them I think the linus version is hard to tell in the boot screen. tmb is labeled tmb i think 20:37:07 <MrsB> linus just shows as the version number 20:37:17 <lewyssmith> tarazed: And they weren't all easy! 20:37:17 <brian_> will do 20:37:31 <MrsB> you all sorted now lewis? 20:37:46 <lewyssmith> In what respect? Life - no. 20:37:49 <MrsB> :P 20:37:59 <MrsB> kernels 20:38:09 <lewyssmith> Yes thanks. Usin,g 15 here. 20:38:10 <DavidWHodgins> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Kernel_flavours 20:38:24 <tmb> brian_, kernel-linus is unpatched upstream kerne, kernel-(desktop/server) is the core kernel with mageia patches that most uses, kernel-tmb is pretty much core kernel + some experimental stuff 20:38:40 <MrsB> stick with the *-latest packages and you won't go far wrong 20:38:42 <tarazed> docker looks interesting but as wilcal might say could be a career job. 20:39:02 <MrsB> there is a one liner to test docker IIRC 20:39:07 <brian_> ok - I was just looking at it from a QA time investment. Which should I focus on for best bang 20:39:24 <brian_> I leaned toward the common name 20:39:27 <lewyssmith> Docker is like FreeBSD jails, I think. 20:39:33 <brian_> not linus/not tmb 20:39:50 <DavidWHodgins> Always start with bugs you are at least familiar with how to use. 20:39:51 <tmb> brian_, yep, the core kernel is always the most important 20:40:06 <DavidWHodgins> desktop and server 20:40:11 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Dave - wishful thinking! 20:40:33 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:41:48 <MrsB> So apart from docker, are there any there that look scary? 20:42:17 <DavidWHodgins> qemu an xen 20:42:21 <MrsB> xen maybe, tmb can help there though :) 20:42:34 <MrsB> qemu can be tested with a one liner, search bugzilla 20:42:36 <tjandrews> I tried the libreoffice update last week, but a number of the packages come up with missing signatures. 20:42:41 <brian_> libvirt - I have up 20:42:46 <brian_> have = gave 20:43:14 <MrsB> libvirtd & qemu can be tested together if you install virt-manager 20:43:16 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: That's why it has the feedback marker,and shows in gray in the updates list 20:43:31 <tjandrews> Actually, the 64-bit version had but one missing signature, and I went ahead with that update. 20:43:32 <MrsB> virt-manager is a bit like virtualbox 20:43:45 <tmb> ah, I need to check the missing signatures 20:43:59 <tjandrews> FWIW, Calc has been working just fine this week on my farm stuff. 20:44:36 <tjandrews> Several in the 32-bit version. 20:44:55 <DavidWHodgins> When there are missing sigs, I don't install the update, let alone test it. 20:45:10 <MrsB> What's the best way to test Xen tmb please? 20:45:38 <tjandrews> First time that's happened with me. 20:45:48 <DavidWHodgins> I've tried, but keep running into problems that are likely caused by me. 20:46:08 <MrsB> cakephp we've updated before and most of the others should have procedures to follow if you click the Buzilla link next to them on the madb page to perform a search 20:46:49 <MrsB> perl-PathTools is a new one IINM 20:46:51 <tmb> MrsB, I'll need to refresh the testing info for that one, will try to do so in a day or so... 20:46:57 <MrsB> thanks tmb 20:47:34 <MrsB> Any others there too hot to handle? 20:48:21 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think so 20:48:30 <brian_> just libvirt one --- could it be because I was running it through VB VM? 20:48:48 <MrsB> it wont help, qemu is relatively slow 20:48:51 <DavidWHodgins> It has to be tested on native hardware 20:49:09 <DavidWHodgins> bug 44 20:49:10 <brian_> ok - that may be it then 20:49:46 <MrsB> Let's move on then 20:49:50 <tmb> yeah, virtualizers/hypervisors should really be tested on real hw 20:49:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's Roundup 20:50:02 <lewyssmith> I suspect we need to thank Dave for his campaign against Advisories. Great job. 20:50:14 <MrsB> Yeah good purge Dude 20:50:19 <DavidWHodgins> Have to catch up again, after the meeting 20:50:43 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: Luigi12_lappy ping :) 20:50:44 <Luigi12_work> note that Dave's topic changes aren't working, since he was chaired with the wrong nick 20:50:52 <DavidWHodgins> Oops 20:50:56 <MrsB> oops 20:51:05 <MrsB> chair DavidWHodgins 20:51:08 <MrsB> oops again 20:51:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's Roundup 20:51:13 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:51:13 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgin DavidWHodgins MrsB lewyssmith wilcal 20:51:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's Roundup 20:51:26 <MrsB> whew :) 20:51:29 <DavidWHodgins> That's better 20:51:33 <lewyssmith> 3rd time lucky! 20:51:39 <MrsB> out of practise 20:51:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:51:55 <Luigi12_work> I'm working on finishing up the Qt5 5.4.2 update right now 20:52:20 <MrsB> Wasn't neoclust doing that one? 20:52:40 <Luigi12_work> it was mostly a new member of the KDE team (Filip) doing it 20:52:45 <MrsB> ahh 20:52:46 <Luigi12_work> it was three packages short of being done 20:53:06 <Luigi12_work> so I'm finishing those up now, and assuming the builds finish fine (they should) will assign it to QA 20:53:10 <MrsB> what do we have that uses qt5? 20:53:16 <Luigi12_work> wireshark :D 20:53:21 <MrsB> oh yeah :\ 20:54:22 <MrsB> #info Qt5 update almost ready, can be tested with wireshark 20:55:03 <wilcal> wireshark wow what a task 20:56:32 <Luigi12_work> looks like calibre, eyesight, vlc, qupzilla, lxqt, sddm, owncloud-client, qt-creator, recoll, stellarium, and wireshark are some good things to test with 20:56:55 <MrsB> #info looks like calibre, eyesight, vlc, qupzilla, lxqt, sddm, owncloud-client, qt-creator, recoll, stellarium, and wireshark are some good things to test with 20:56:56 <Luigi12_work> then my next order of business will be the critical polarssl update, which has been delayed by the fact that upstream renamed it to mbedtls in the middle of a stable branch (!?) 20:57:13 <MrsB> ouch 20:57:14 <Luigi12_work> and updated the soname in the middle of a stable branch (library major number) which will require rebuilding the packages that use it 20:57:32 <MrsB> will we be following? 20:57:40 <Luigi12_work> yeah we have to 20:57:52 <Luigi12_work> there's a LOT of security fixes and enhancements, including at least one critical one 20:57:55 <MrsB> we'll have to blog about that one when it's pushed 20:58:29 <Luigi12_work> I wish I knew the status of the samba4 update, but I don't. neoclust was working on that one. 20:58:54 <Luigi12_work> if anyone has Cauldron working, or can get it working, could you please test dhcpcd with a wireless network interface and make sure it works OK? 20:58:54 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like linphone is the only app that uses polarssl 20:59:25 <Luigi12_work> belle-sip, hiawatha, linphone, pdns 20:59:30 <Luigi12_work> more specifically 20:59:35 <Luigi12_work> I think belle-sip is a lib used by linphone 20:59:37 <MrsB> #info Polarssl update complicated by being renamed upstream to mbedssl in middle of stable branch - we will need to follow - blog post maybe? 20:59:39 <Luigi12_work> not sure what hiawatha is 20:59:47 <Luigi12_work> pdns is a DNS server, which we've updated before 20:59:55 <MrsB> #info Samba4 status unknown - neoclust? 21:00:29 <MrsB> that's an easy one to test 21:00:33 <MrsB> pdns 21:00:48 <Luigi12_work> I filed a bug with coling today on cgit, which needs an update for a security issue (it's a web interface to git, which Fedora uses for its packages git, if you don't know what cgit is) 21:01:11 <tjandrews> I know the Hiawatha historical reference, but nothing about the software. 21:01:22 <Luigi12_work> I've filed a bug for pterjan asking to update ruby to a newer stable branch, since 2.0.0 is EOL in February 21:01:47 <Luigi12_work> I've asked for help figuring out what to do about WebKit in the -dev list, we might end up updating that for Mageia 5 21:02:05 <MrsB> #info cgit coming & ruby will need to be bumped to new stable branch as 2.0.0 is EOL in Feb 21:02:12 <tjandrews> Hiawatha brought together the Six Nations of the Iroquois on the shores of a lake less than 15 miles from here. 21:02:14 <Luigi12_work> plus if any apps port themselves from WebKit1 to WebKit2 (like shotwell has done) we should backport those changes, since WebKit1 has several security issues which will never be fixed 21:02:49 <Luigi12_work> in fact I did ask Olav for the shotwell update, as it also implements TLS certificate verification 21:02:52 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/package/show/application/0/name/hiawatha 21:02:52 <tmb> I looke on the webkit stuff, but I cant find references to all fixes :/ atleast some of them would be easy to backport 21:03:25 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's a big mess :o( 21:03:48 <Luigi12_work> anyway, again if someone could test dhcpcd + wireless in Cauldron, please do. There are two CVEs that also apply to Mageia 5 that I'm trying to figure out how to handle. 21:04:10 <MrsB> #info Maybe a bunch of updates related to webkit - more info to follow 21:04:16 <Luigi12_work> so that's the highlights from me 21:04:29 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work :) 21:04:37 <lewyssmith> Seconded. 21:04:42 <MrsB> Anybody want to ask anything? 21:04:52 <wilcal> it's all good 21:05:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 21:05:18 <MrsB> So that only leaves 21:05:22 <MrsB> beat me to it 21:05:29 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 21:05:30 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:05:35 <lewyssmith> Not here, for once. 21:05:40 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here 21:05:41 <tarazed> To backtrack, how do we report tests of Cauldron applications. 21:05:41 <wilcal> i'm done 21:05:46 <brian_> none 21:05:51 <Ages> no 21:06:02 <tmb> there might show up some mga6 isos this weekend 21:06:11 <MrsB> on dev ML tarazed, or to Luigi12_work for that one 21:06:26 <MrsB> we dont routinely test cauldron 21:06:35 <MrsB> only when it becomes an ISO 21:06:40 <tarazed> Understood. 21:06:51 <Benmc> i currentlty have cauldron 32+64 21:07:07 <MrsB> That's two volunteers then, well done Benmc 21:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> #info New Mageia 6 iso images may be available for testing this weekend 21:07:20 <tmb> with the latest rpm pushed today + stage2 atleast live media building works again 21:07:31 <MrsB> Did you just make that up Dave? 21:07:51 <MrsB> oh, sorry tmb - missed your comment 21:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> No. Tmb posted that 7 lines earliar 21:08:11 <tmb> ennael said she would try a classical build ~tonight too 21:08:29 <wilcal> is plasma working? 21:08:38 <tmb> they wont be perfect, but atleast -dev1 quality :) 21:09:11 <MrsB> dev1 quality is bootable and installable and you can log in 21:09:44 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 21:10:05 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. 21:10:16 <MrsB> Nite lewis 21:10:19 <MrsB> T - 5 then 21:10:22 <MrsB> 4 21:10:24 <MrsB> 3 21:10:25 <MrsB> 2 21:10:27 <wilcal> bye all 21:10:27 <MrsB> 1 21:10:31 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody 21:10:33 <Benmc> i'll contact david re dhcpcd when I have dug up a wifi dongle 21:10:34 <MrsB> #endmeeting