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20:05:25 <wilcal> Hello all welcome to another one
20:05:39 <lewyssmith> I can be Dave if it would help.
20:06:12 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:06:12 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:06:18 <wilcal> now it's offical
20:06:21 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If that's you then come and say hello
20:06:47 <wilcal> anyone new?
20:07:12 <lewyssmith> I don't see any unfamiliar names.
20:07:58 <wilcal> it's at this point we start talking about our local weather  :-))
20:08:08 <lewyssmith> Stony ground. Advance?
20:08:34 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6 - Progress?
20:08:36 <wilcal> #topic Magi
20:08:52 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 6 - Progress
20:09:13 <wilcal> I don't see much for now. I'd expect something in the next week.
20:09:23 <wilcal> I donno about isos though
20:10:05 <wilcal> Still some serious issues especially those pesky scripts being run that don't work very well
20:10:14 <lewyssmith> Let sleeping dogs lie. It will surface in due course.
20:10:36 <wilcal> With FOSDEM pending that's gonna take some cycles
20:10:59 <lewyssmith> It is not due to be ready for Fosdem.
20:11:35 <wilcal> That's correct. I saw mention of an ARM version on Raspberry Pi that may be demonstrated at FOSDEM
20:12:05 <lewyssmith> That *is* interesting. Caroline's domain.
20:12:29 <wilcal> I'd love to have that at SCALE in a couple weeks
20:12:46 <wilcal> next year
20:13:06 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:13:11 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates - Any problems, difficulties, issues?
20:13:39 <wilcal> A little/lot lax on my part the last week but started get'n back into it today
20:14:20 <lewyssmith> I have been busy recently - at last. But there are several difficult ones.
20:14:25 <brian_> Struggled on mine #link https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17417
20:14:34 <wilcal> There's a kernel/Vbox out there look'n like they're ripe to be pushed. Anyone have anything else on these
20:14:36 <brian_> agreed
20:15:03 <wilcal> If Luigi / tmb joins us I'd like to get those pushed
20:15:46 <lewyssmith> brian_: Courageous of you to try libvirt.
20:16:11 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
20:16:19 <brian_> glad I was able to flush and create new VM's to reinstall
20:17:18 <Benmc> good morning Lewys, QA.  sorry for being late: still on holiday time
20:18:05 <lewyssmith> xen, docker, roundcubemail, openvpn at least are all heavy to test.
20:19:20 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Anf despite your heroic efforts, libtiff is recalcitrent.
20:19:30 <wilcal_> back
20:19:32 <brian_> I have limited hours to research - openvpn pretty complex or just need two machines?
20:20:04 <lewyssmith> Needs a lot of know-how, at least.
20:20:43 <brian_> k
20:21:09 <lewyssmith> I am trying Wireshark, hampered by ignorance!
20:21:14 <wilcal_> I'm struggling with
20:21:17 <wilcal_> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15519
20:21:38 <wilcal_> Maybe luigi will agree to just push it it looks ok
20:22:02 <lewyssmith> He says there is more to come on it.
20:22:06 <wilcal_> ya
20:22:10 <wilcal_> hello tj
20:22:14 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ. Happy New Year.
20:22:16 <wilcal_> lite meeting today
20:22:22 <tjandrews> Hello!
20:23:09 <tjandrews> Sorry I'm late. Just got a call on my brother's mother-in-law with a health update.
20:23:29 <tjandrews> All sounds good.
20:23:38 <wilcal_> good to go
20:23:54 <tjandrews> So what did I miss?
20:24:03 <wilcal_> any bugs you got issues with tj?
20:24:47 <tjandrews> No, none that I can think of right now.
20:25:06 <wilcal_> we're still wait'n on M6 isos
20:25:29 <tjandrews> I tried testing the update of Libreoffice, and ran into a bunch of unsigned packages.
20:25:56 <tjandrews> All in the bug report.
20:26:04 <lewyssmith> It is now marked 'feedback'.
20:26:44 <tjandrews> New kernel and VirtualBox is working OK for me.
20:26:53 <wilcal_> I think there's maybe 6 big ones in there that can be pushed
20:27:00 <wilcal_> Thanks for that work tj
20:27:05 <wilcal_> yep i agree
20:27:14 <lewyssmith> VB has not been OK'd at all.
20:27:22 <tjandrews> Oops. They ARE working OK. Sigh. Haven't made that mistake since grade school.
20:28:01 <lewyssmith> What are working OK?
20:28:02 <wilcal_> Lets see if Luigi agrees and we can move those along
20:28:15 <tjandrews> Kernel AND VB.
20:28:25 <wilcal_> Kernel + Vbox updates
20:28:27 <wilcal_> both together work fine
20:28:41 <lewyssmith> So VB needs OKing?
20:29:02 <wilcal_> If we can move those along before the next meeting that would be a big accomplishment
20:29:38 <tjandrews> Well, I suppose I could update the whiteboard. So, if I'm using VB on a 64-bit host with 32-bit guests, do I say 64bit OK or 32?
20:29:45 <wilcal_> no tmb, MrsB here today
20:30:02 <wilcal_> I don't consider Vbox in a 32-environment a valid test
20:30:19 <wilcal_> even though it works
20:30:43 <wilcal_> it really needs 8GB to breath
20:30:54 <lewyssmith> I do not see the point of it if you have x64.
20:30:55 <brian_> but running a 32bit client inside of VB would be fine
20:31:02 <brian_> you're running on a 64-bit host
20:31:07 <wilcal_> yup
20:31:18 <brian_> so if it were me, I'd check 64-bit ok
20:31:42 <wilcal_> Figure Vbox will eat 2GB of DRAM and with only 3.2GB available that ain't enough
20:32:03 <tjandrews> I was wondering about that, actually. I have a 32-bit Mageia 5 on this machine(server kernel, 8GB RAM, Athlon X2), but haven't installed VB on it yet, so I can't test it.
20:32:21 <wilcal_> it will work but will disk swap all day long
20:32:25 <Luigi12_work> nope
20:32:30 <Luigi12_work> with the server kernel you can use more RAM
20:32:43 <Luigi12_work> no more than 3.something per VM (which is fine) but total you can use as much as you have
20:32:57 <wilcal_> Ahhh it's luigi
20:33:06 <lewyssmith> Greeting David.
20:33:08 <Luigi12_work> and I've tested every OS under the sun as guests, including several Linux distros, but haven't tested the Mageia guest side yet
20:33:12 <Luigi12_work> hello
20:33:21 <wilcal_> I've just not been able to get it to run comfortably on my 32-bit platform
20:33:40 <tjandrews> The VMs on my 64-bit install are both 2GB.
20:33:54 <tjandrews> Hi, David.
20:34:30 <wilcal_> Can we push the Kernel & Vbox updates Luigi?
20:35:44 <Luigi12_work> probably, I've mostly tested them.  Has a graphical Mageia guest with updated vboxadditions stuff been verified working OK?
20:35:50 <Luigi12_work> otherwise I can test that Saturday
20:35:55 <Luigi12_work> the kernel is defeinitely OK
20:36:17 <wilcal_> lets see if we can push those before next meeting.
20:36:22 <wilcal_> That would be a big accomplishment
20:36:29 <Luigi12_work> yeah I'll OK them Saturday on 32-bit if it hasn't been by then
20:36:37 <tjandrews> Hmm. Actually, VB would make a good test of the 32-bit server kernel's advertised capabilities.
20:36:40 <wilcal_> super deal
20:37:18 <wilcal_> anything else otherwise we can turn the podium over to luigi
20:37:27 <tjandrews> I've used my Mageia 5 guest a little, and it looked OK.
20:37:37 <Luigi12_work> when was our last meeting?
20:37:46 <wilcal_> 3-weeks ago
20:37:46 <lewyssmith> Last year...
20:38:04 <Luigi12_work> thanks wilcal_
20:38:15 <wilcal_> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:38:34 <lewyssmith> [I had it ready]
20:38:44 <Luigi12_work> we need to update ruby for a new security issue
20:38:53 <Luigi12_work> oops topic hasn't changed yet
20:39:11 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's roundup - Upcoming security updates from Luigi12
20:39:15 <Luigi12_work> only wilcal (without the underscore) and lewyssmith can change it
20:39:17 <wilcal_> there we go
20:39:20 <Luigi12_work> we need to update ruby for a new security issue
20:39:30 <Luigi12_work> we need to update to samba4 as samba3 is EOL and there's security issues
20:39:33 <Luigi12_work> that will be some work
20:39:48 <Luigi12_work> mono has a security issue that needs patched
20:40:03 <Luigi12_work> librsvg has a couple security issues, so it needs to be patched or updated
20:40:16 <Luigi12_work> encfs has an issue and needs to be patched or updated
20:40:25 <Luigi12_work> pcre has another issue, unfixed yet upstream last I checked
20:40:44 <Luigi12_work> radicale has some security issues which may affect the Mageia 5 version, not absolutely sure yet
20:41:00 <Luigi12_work> dhcpcd has a couple fixes that were committed upstream this week, waiting for the next release to come out and I'll update that one
20:41:12 <Luigi12_work> that's the new ones since last time
20:41:20 <wilcal_> sounds good
20:41:30 <rindolf> hi all! Oh I missed the meeting eventually.
20:41:31 <Luigi12_work> yeah, definitely need some packager help
20:41:37 <wilcal_> people should be starting to reengage
20:41:41 <Luigi12_work> hope so
20:41:49 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
20:41:52 <wilcal_> we should move on
20:41:54 <Luigi12_work> I went on a package updating binge in Cauldron over my vacation break
20:42:04 <Luigi12_work> wore out my hands and wrists and forearms
20:42:15 <Luigi12_work> they'll recover eventually I guess
20:42:24 <wilcal_> you do the honors lew
20:42:28 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
20:42:44 <tjandrews> You should do what I do to build them up - handle hay bales.
20:42:48 <wilcal_> I'm confused on the libtiff thingy can we just push that
20:43:13 <wilcal_> i think it's ok
20:43:34 <Luigi12_work> and you asked about libtiff and wireshark earlier...probably gonna lean toward pushing but not sure yet.  Gonna see if upstream responds to my last reply on libtiff and see what Pierre thinks for wireshark (and I need to test it myself too).
20:43:57 <wilcal_> lets make a decision before next meeting
20:44:04 <lewyssmith> I am trying WS now.
20:44:21 <wilcal_> intersting package ws iss
20:44:34 <wilcal_> widely used i hear
20:44:42 <lewyssmith> Any advice about what to do with it?
20:45:25 <Luigi12_work> download the pcap files from the bugs referenced in the upstream release notes and open them with wireshark
20:45:51 <lewyssmith> I thought it mostly about Qt5.
20:45:54 <Luigi12_work> if they aren't too long (too many packets) you can scroll through the packets too, so the analyzer runs on each one
20:46:04 <Luigi12_work> well it was, but now it's a security update as well
20:46:32 <Luigi12_work> if you want to add yourself to the wireshark group and stuff you can do some packet captures too
20:46:49 <lewyssmith> That is happening - dumpcap.
20:46:55 <Luigi12_work> that's not quite as important, since captures are often done with other tools.  Wireshark is more useful for analysis.
20:47:55 <lewyssmith> How do you make it analyse a pcap file?
20:48:15 <Luigi12_work> just open it
20:48:39 <Luigi12_work> it'll automatically open the first packet in the analysis pane at the bottom
20:48:51 <Luigi12_work> then you can click the second packet and keep scrolling down through the rest with the keyboard
20:49:07 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:50:15 <wilcal_> anything else
20:50:36 <lewyssmith> I am still having bad problems selecting testing updates.
20:50:55 <wilcal_> which mirror are you using
20:51:15 <lewyssmith> The main French one, ispcoffee or similar.
20:51:25 <Luigi12_work> distrib-coffee?
20:51:26 <wilcal_> ooo should be a good one
20:51:31 <lewyssmith> Yes.
20:51:34 <Luigi12_work> it has been down the last few times I have checked
20:51:37 <Luigi12_work> I'd switch mirrors
20:51:43 <lewyssmith> How?
20:51:47 <wilcal_> mirrors.kernel.org is what i use
20:52:16 <Luigi12_work> belnet.be, kernel.org, snt.utwente.nl, and voka.sublink.org are usually good ones
20:52:22 <tjandrews> James Whitby in the US for me.
20:52:35 <Luigi12_work> yeah I've used that one in one of my VMs, works fine too
20:52:44 <lewyssmith> How do you choose a mirror? I always leave it to the system.
20:53:09 <tjandrews> Ah, that might be your problem.
20:53:33 <wilcal_> I use a line of code to change
20:53:37 <Luigi12_work> go into the media manager and tell it to add a specific mirror (it's in the menu bar at the top)
20:53:47 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:53:50 <Luigi12_work> then remove the mirrorlist media entries
20:53:52 <tjandrews> Under "File"
20:54:43 <lewyssmith> OK, I'm done.
20:54:51 <wilcal_> in a su terminal
20:54:53 <wilcal_> urpmi.addmedia           core              ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/5/i586/media/core/release with media_info/hdlist.cz
20:55:08 <wilcal_> erase all the existing with
20:55:30 <wilcal_> urpmi.removemedia -a
20:55:50 <tjandrews> lewysmith, some of the mirrors don't sync as often as others. You might get one of the slow ones if you use mirrorlist.
20:56:44 <lewyssmith> distrib-coffee is normally the reference.
20:57:40 <lewyssmith> Countdown?
20:57:45 <wilcal_> agreed
20:57:53 <wilcal_> you've got the honors lewy
20:58:00 <lewyssmith> -5
20:58:08 <tjandrews> I don't pretend to know how a mirror is chosen from mirrorlist, I only know I have fewer problems with a specific mirror.
20:58:08 <lewyssmith> Bonne année to all.
20:58:10 <lewyssmith> -4
20:58:14 <wilcal_> bye all
20:58:19 <lewyssmith> -3
20:58:26 <lewyssmith> -2
20:58:29 <lewyssmith> -1
20:58:29 <tjandrews> Bye...
20:58:42 <lewyssmith> #endmeeting