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20:12:12 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another one
20:12:19 <rindolf> Morning.
20:12:38 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:12:38 <Inigo_Montoya_> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:12:42 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:12:51 <MrsB> #info lewis is still without internet
20:13:23 <MrsB> he's thinking of changing ISP but doesn't think it'll be any less painless that way
20:13:39 <rindolf> are luke_nukem and Benmc new?
20:13:44 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:14:06 <luke_nukem> Sorry, trying to do study as well. Hi, yes I am new
20:14:06 <MrsB> luke_nukem is kind of new, are you here?
20:14:16 <MrsB> Welcome to the team :)
20:14:28 <MrsB> I know you're learning packaging too aren't you
20:14:59 <Benmc> i was new a long time ago, but still only learning QA
20:15:14 <MrsB> that feeling never goes away :)
20:15:15 <luke_nukem> I'm doing a lot ;) Yes, packaging also. I study Software Engineering at university, so hope to become a bigger asset to the team
20:15:26 <MrsB> great!
20:15:37 <wilcal> which school luke?
20:15:40 <MrsB> Let's all introduce ourselves
20:15:54 <DavidWHodgins> Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada
20:16:00 <luke_nukem> wilcal, Massey University in New Zealand
20:16:10 <rindolf> Hi! I'm Shlomi Fish from Tel Aviv, Israel.
20:16:17 <Ages> David Remy, Colorado, USA
20:16:23 <MrsB> I'm Claire, admit to 38ish from the UK, QA team leader (poor one at the moment)
20:16:37 <brian_> Brian Illinois, USA
20:16:38 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:16:39 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:16:58 <hviaene> Herman Viaene, Belgium, age not to be spoken off publicly
20:17:04 <MrsB> we're getting quite a little team down under
20:17:09 <Benmc> Benmc  a few years younger than DaveH from Te Awamutu New Zealand. tomorrow here for you guys
20:17:17 <luke_nukem> Impressive wilcal, I love reading/hearing about the start of computing
20:17:22 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:17:37 <Benmc> not many tho
20:17:39 <dvg_i> Dick ,Netherlands, oldest here, assists with some testing
20:17:51 <wilcal> I've quite some stories. Only 6 schools in the USA teaching Computer Enginnering in 64
20:17:51 <MrsB> young at heart dvg
20:18:08 <luke_nukem> Benmc, Te Awamutu is an interesting town
20:18:13 <hviaene> dvg_i : >72???
20:18:19 <dvg_i> MrsB: i cant find it
20:18:23 <MrsB> lol
20:18:37 <Benmc> yep. dairy country
20:18:45 <Benmc> thanx Mrs B
20:18:47 <dvg_i> hviaene: sometimes I feel like Methusalah
20:18:56 <luke_nukem> I'm 32, been using Linux since i was 16 :)
20:19:14 <MrsB> You'll find we're a friendly team luke_nukem and we welcome people to ask anything. never struggle if you don't have to.
20:20:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 dev 1
20:20:17 <wilcal> wow what fun that is
20:20:26 <hviaene> dvg: shall we start a group: little pains in the morning???
20:20:29 <MrsB> We have a good bit of documentation on the wiki, which starts here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team_portal
20:20:49 <luke_nukem> Great to meet all
20:21:10 <dvg_i> hviaene: wish it was mornings only
20:21:14 <MrsB> you too, as you probably know, get stuck in and have a go at things, don't wait to be given stuff to do
20:21:21 <wilcal> I'm tinkering with M6 two ways. Installed from boot.iso and the installer isos
20:21:59 <MrsB> I have to hold my hand up here and admit to only having booted one ISO
20:22:21 <wilcal> We are on the second set of isos right MrsB?
20:22:34 <wilcal> second was only two isos not 4
20:22:36 <MrsB> second live ones yes, first classical
20:22:40 <rindolf> I tried the Classical x86-64 ISO and could not get it to boot on KVM - it kept restarting the VM.
20:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> Best to go by the DATE.txt file, as the classical and live iso images are not in sync
20:23:03 <MrsB> yep
20:23:08 <dvg_i> rindolf: does not wok on real hw either
20:23:12 <MrsB> Is everybody creating bug reports?
20:23:16 <wilcal> I'm not sure anyone has gotten a good install yet
20:23:36 <rindolf> I also had a problem getting the GNOME x86-64 LiveDVD to install itself.
20:23:37 <dvg_i> MrsB: hope to tomorrow...short of time sofar
20:23:44 <wilcal> I'm finding things others have before me
20:23:44 <MrsB> understood
20:23:49 <rindolf> MrsB: I have not yet - too lazy.
20:23:56 * MrsB prods rindolf
20:24:01 <luke_nukem> I've done full upgrades from a fresh mga5 install, and booted only one iso. The problems seem pretty consistent across both ISO and manual upgrade
20:24:15 <luke_nukem> Said problems being mostly Gnome and Plasma
20:24:21 <MrsB> #info Please remember to create bug reports for the issues you find. Add 6dev1 into the whiteboard when you do please.
20:24:21 <wilcal> install from boot.iso does in fact work
20:24:53 <rindolf> MrsB: OK, thanks for the headsup - I'll try to remember.
20:24:57 <wilcal> any rumor as to when the next set are due?
20:25:00 <MrsB> maybe missing packages on the iso then wilcal
20:25:00 <luke_nukem> I've also not filed bug reports yet as most bugs have already been reported.
20:25:10 <dvg_i> i admire those trying updates 5 to 6, but i thing they should install more important at this point???
20:25:15 <wilcal> ya lots of things don't work
20:25:21 <dvg_i> think...
20:25:43 <MrsB> it doesn't hurt to have too many bug reports, but do a quick search and add yourself into CC of ones which are already there before you do
20:25:48 <Benmc> once to MCC issue is Duct-taped, most DEs from a single De install appear to work ok.
20:26:18 <wilcal> ya once the mcc thing works then the boot.iso will be much better
20:26:32 <wilcal> Getting used to Plasma5 is also a challenge
20:26:38 <luke_nukem> dvg_i, it makes not much difference as far as i can see. The issues are the same, which means it's largely the packages that need testing. Once those are sorted out then the ISO's should become much better since the ISO bases haven't changed much
20:26:55 <MrsB> #info at this stage we're looking to be able to install, reboot and log in - beyond that, bugs are normal and to be expected this early in the dev cycle
20:26:59 <dvg_i> ok
20:27:12 <luke_nukem> Alrighty
20:27:53 <MrsB> Anybody want to list any bug reports, for the meeting munites
20:28:00 <MrsB> minutes*
20:28:06 <Benmc> I like that word
20:28:13 <MrsB> :P
20:28:25 <MrsB> it's been a long day :(
20:28:27 <wilcal> the good news is it's badly broken. Past 1st isos have worked pretty good then went downhill
20:28:41 <MrsB> yeah exactly wilcal, it's really encouraging
20:28:53 <wilcal> strange but true
20:29:06 <hviaene> Bad joke
20:29:24 <wilcal> when is that script thing gonna get fixed during the install
20:29:31 <wilcal> lots of reported bad scrips
20:29:51 <DavidWHodgins> But without package names. :-(
20:29:51 <MrsB> #info remember to add relevant logs to your bug reports please, ask for assistance if you're not sure what/where they are or how to get them off the system
20:30:10 <wilcal> ya we have no idea what script is broken
20:30:28 <brian_> MrsB are you talking the journalctl command?
20:30:38 <dvg_i> i thought it lookd like pm-fallback-policy
20:30:51 <dvg_i> but dunno
20:30:57 <MrsB> that's useful brian_ but also the /root/drakx/report.bug.xz file for classic isos
20:32:07 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17236
20:32:41 <MrsB> to dump the journal into a text file, as root use journalctl -a > /home/username/journal.txt && chmod username:username /home/username/journal.txt # you should then be able to upload it
20:32:45 <wilcal> people are saying this is all but fixed
20:33:18 <wilcal> so maybe my next boot.iso install will go much easier
20:33:39 <MrsB> for display issues, apart from Gnome (which puts it in the journal) you can also add /var/log/Xorg.0.log (for current boot)
20:34:45 <MrsB> again, it's better to have too much information that too little
20:34:50 <MrsB> than*
20:35:08 <brian_> adding to my notes - thanks MrsB
20:35:27 <MrsB> Some of this should be in the iso testing pages on the wiki I think
20:36:04 <brian_> I need to reread those
20:36:23 <MrsB> If not, let me know and I'll add it to my ToDo list
20:37:39 <MrsB> Does anybody want to ask anythign or comment on anything so far?
20:37:59 <wilcal> when do we expect the next set of isos
20:38:05 <MrsB> unknown
20:38:17 <MrsB> ennael about?
20:38:41 <ennael> just back
20:38:41 <hviaene> Not really, apart from the fact that really nothung works for me right now
20:38:46 <MrsB> wb :)
20:39:03 <MrsB> welcome ot the lions den..
20:39:10 <ennael> I'm planning to sync repo tonight and rebuild some isos
20:39:16 <ennael> will do some tests first
20:39:42 <ennael> we've had some pb to join rabbit
20:39:48 <ennael> but now fixed
20:40:02 <Ages> sounds like there are issues, so is testing on hyperv worth it yet?
20:40:07 <MrsB> seems there are some issues getting them to boot atm, or be recognised as bootable
20:40:14 <wilcal> so by this weekend some new isos
20:40:22 <DavidWHodgins> rabbit is the system where the iso images are built
20:40:22 <ennael> yes
20:40:31 <neoclust> ennael: still working ? :)
20:40:36 <ennael> yep :)
20:40:52 <MrsB> maybe Ages, we need to know if they're broken on hyperv, but should try with a set that boots on real iron first
20:41:30 <luke_nukem> ennael, which ISOs will you build?
20:41:33 <Ages> that is what I am thinking, maybe I will try after the next round
20:41:39 <MrsB> yep
20:41:47 <DavidWHodgins> luke_nukem: ennael builds the classic iso images
20:42:04 <hviaene> I have to leave, g'night all.
20:42:12 <MrsB> nite hviaene, thanks for coming
20:42:12 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Have a good night
20:42:15 <Benmc> as an aside - how is TMB
20:42:24 <luke_nukem> Excellent, I will have questions about that for him/her
20:42:34 <MrsB> I've not heard anything Benmc
20:43:13 <MrsB> luke_nukem: ennael is Anne, one of the packaging team leaders and head of the board
20:43:21 <MrsB> and council
20:43:35 <luke_nukem> Ah, that's great to know.
20:43:47 <MrsB> It means we can blame her for everything ;)
20:43:59 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:44:04 <brian_> ;0)  I guess I should be nice to her
20:44:14 <MrsB> to everybody, surely :)
20:44:23 <rindolf> heh, heh.
20:44:33 <rindolf> Well, I think I'm going to go to sleep.
20:44:42 <MrsB> ninight rindolf
20:44:42 <brian_> night rindolf
20:44:45 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Have a good night
20:44:49 <rindolf> Sorry.
20:44:56 <rindolf> MrsB: , brian_ , DavidWHodgins : thanks!
20:44:57 <MrsB> #info Should be new ISOs by the weekend
20:45:22 <MrsB> Is there anything else ISOs related?
20:45:30 <wilcal> not from me
20:45:49 <MrsB> let's do it then Dave dude
20:45:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:45:54 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:46:01 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:46:15 <MrsB> The list isn't too bad really, considering we're doing ISOs
20:46:24 <wilcal> seems like everything i touched this week did not work out well for me :-((
20:46:43 <brian_> if work doesn't get in the way, I'll look at php5.6.16 tonight
20:47:10 <MrsB> Dave/Bill do you remember what was agreed at council about hplip and package upgrades for added HW support?
20:47:18 <wilcal> rats stream didn't work in a Vbox client :-((
20:47:35 <MrsB> I seem to remember we agreed to allow them in updates, as long as they caused no regressions
20:47:57 <wilcal> wasn't that to be put into backports
20:47:59 <DavidWHodgins> That sounds right to me, though I'd have to go through the logs to be sure
20:47:59 <luke_nukem> Steam deps is one I had a hand in. Should work without issues at all and I have tested on a clean barebones mga5 and mga6
20:48:13 <MrsB> WOuld you mind looking Dave
20:48:16 <luke_nukem> That is https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17199
20:48:29 <DavidWHodgins> I'll take a look after the meeting
20:48:49 <MrsB> Let's keep pushing with one OK for now
20:49:31 <DavidWHodgins> I'll get the rest of the advisories added to svn after the meeting too.
20:49:41 <MrsB> cool, thanks. That's a task in itself
20:49:54 <Akien> Yes the Steam update should be OK to validate, it's just added dependencies
20:50:00 <Akien> If it installs fine, it's good to go.
20:50:10 <MrsB> rpm I think Thierry is going to update again, should probably add feedback to that one for now
20:50:37 <MrsB> brian_: good on you for php
20:51:02 <MrsB> cups-filters - anyone with a printer can test
20:51:13 <wilcal> ya i can look at that one
20:51:27 <MrsB> auto-multiple-choice is added requires by the looks of it
20:52:09 <MrsB> can test with urpmq - see eg. steam
20:52:25 <luke_nukem> Yeah the Steam testing was mostly to ensure that the correct deps were installed so that many games worked "out of the box"
20:52:37 <MrsB> bumblebee needs specific hardware so if nobody else has any we should push that one
20:53:05 <wilcal> what is the wireshark status
20:53:07 <luke_nukem> bumblebee is working perfect here. Been testing all week
20:53:07 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. For auto-multiple-choice, is that the right fix? What if perl-DBD-mysql is wanted?
20:53:16 <MrsB> moodle was tested by David, a 2nd test would be good but puch if it doesn't happen
20:53:23 <Akien> The one thing we haven't tested much for bumblebee is the -nouveau flavour
20:54:03 <MrsB> does it work with mariadb Dave?
20:54:20 <DavidWHodgins> Just checking
20:54:44 <MrsB> it could need need separate packages creating eg. drupal
20:55:14 <MrsB> you can have two installed at once though, sqlite & mysql etc
20:55:31 <MrsB> i guess sqlite is minimal requires
20:55:38 <luke_nukem> Akien, I did brief tests with Nouveau (I get hardlocks because of my newer hardware), it works fine
20:55:54 <Akien> luke_nukem: Great, thanks
20:56:06 <luke_nukem> Akien, by that I mean the module gets unloaded, and card turned off correctly.
20:56:40 <MrsB> Anybody any issues or difficulties with any of the updates?
20:57:18 <wilcal> i touch about 1 a day but my touches of late hav'nt been very good
20:57:33 <MrsB> keep plugging wilcal
20:58:06 <DavidWHodgins> Don't see anything in the preferences, so it's likely hard coded
20:58:39 <MrsB> could be the right fix then
20:58:48 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:59:27 <MrsB> Any questions or comments before we move on?
20:59:36 <wilcal> not here
20:59:56 <MrsB> do it dude
20:59:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
21:00:00 <MrsB> tah
21:00:11 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
21:00:27 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_lappy: ping
21:00:53 <MrsB> he's maybe doing that "work" thing again
21:00:59 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:01:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:01:26 <MrsB> Is there anythign else?
21:01:34 <DavidWHodgins> Not here
21:01:42 <brian_> nothing
21:01:59 <wilcal> not from me
21:02:03 <MrsB> Well done everybody for your efforts on the ISOs. Sorry I've not been much help.
21:02:17 <MrsB> Please remember to create bug reports
21:02:29 <MrsB> Thank you all for coming
21:02:34 <MrsB> that only leaves...
21:02:39 <MrsB> T - 5
21:02:43 <MrsB> 4
21:02:44 <MrsB> 3
21:02:46 <MrsB> 2
21:02:47 <MrsB> 1
21:02:50 <MrsB> #endmeeting