19:02:28 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:02:33 <wilcal> see i did it
19:02:37 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:03:07 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:03:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:03:13 <wilcal> so here we go
19:03:33 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:08 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any unfamiliar nics in the list.
19:04:28 <lewyssmith> Nor me.
19:04:31 <wilcal> note I'm eat'n lunch attending this meeting and watching Liverpool vs Rubin
19:04:40 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:04:58 <wilcal> lets move on
19:05:11 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:05:50 <wilcal> list is mostly under control
19:05:55 <lewyssmith> All those double OKs: do they need validating?
19:06:17 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, though some still need the advisories loaded to svn.
19:06:39 <DavidWHodgins> It's ok to validate them, even if the advisory hasn't been loaded yet.
19:06:51 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:07:03 <wilcal> that'll really short'n the list
19:07:54 <DavidWHodgins> The two with single ok's should be ok to validate, as they are not low level hardware packages, like the kernel is.
19:08:15 <wilcal> any serious problems in there?
19:08:20 <lewyssmith> These are the baddies no-one can touch: Bug 16956, bug16277, bug 16916, bug 16965.
19:08:23 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16956 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , xen security issues..., xen
19:08:24 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16916 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , gvfsd-dav crash on files with percent sign in filename, gvfs-1.22.3-2.mga5.src.rpm
19:08:25 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16965 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , update request: mdadm 3.3.4, mdadm
19:08:57 <lewyssmith> bug 16277
19:08:58 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16277 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , Cryptmount fails on LUKS devices after mga5 upgrade: 'Cannot find key-manager to match target', cryptmount-5.0-4.mga5.src.rpm
19:09:25 <DavidWHodgins> That one Iand the xen one, I'll test. Just have to find the time.
19:09:46 <wilcal> those are career kinda bugs. If you know how to test them you can make a career out of it
19:10:02 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:10:12 <lewyssmith> I gree with your designation 'careers'.
19:11:10 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: If you can do Xen & crytpmount, that would be great.
19:11:23 <wilcal> any in there we can just make sure they install cleanlu
19:11:30 <wilcal> cleanly
19:12:01 <lewyssmith> We will have to do that. I did for gvfs, also David.
19:13:05 <lewyssmith> papoteur: Bonsoir Yves.
19:13:25 <papoteur> lewyssmith: Bonsoir
19:14:00 <lewyssmith> bug 16692 is career level as well.
19:14:01 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16692 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , freeradius logrotate script does not reload running daemon, causing old log file to be written after logrotate, freeradius-2.2.8-1.mga5.src.rpm
19:14:10 <Luigi12_work> no it isn't
19:14:19 <Luigi12_work> it's just a logrotate config fix
19:14:37 <Luigi12_work> anyway the reporter already verified the fix, it can be validated
19:14:45 <lewyssmith> I spent hours just finding out what FreeRadius was about.
19:15:04 <Luigi12_work> good, you can test it next time we update it :o)
19:15:12 <Luigi12_work> this time wasn't an update, just fixing the logrotate config
19:16:16 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, my 10 year old i586 system, where I run konversation just locked up.
19:16:57 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: ah, I get lock ups here on a Core i3 x86-64 Cauldron system.
19:17:24 <wilcal> kinda any system can lock up
19:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> One of the fans died a few days ago. Haven't got around to replacing it yet.
19:17:44 <wilcal> that's what the power cord is for
19:17:51 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:18:02 <Luigi12_work> yikes, dead case fans leads to things burning up :o(
19:18:42 <DavidWHodgins> I have sensors configured to very conservative values. Right now, it's about 2 degrees below shutdown.
19:19:16 <wilcal> ever work on mil spec hardware?
19:19:43 <DavidWHodgins> Nope
19:20:04 <DavidWHodgins> From sensors ... temp1:        +58.0°C  (crit = +60.0°C)
19:21:02 <lewyssmith> Don't wish to be rude, but I am not at all well & would like to finish & get to bed.
19:21:38 <wilcal> lets move on and talk some about CUOS
19:21:41 <wilcal> CUPS
19:21:46 <DavidWHodgins> I have worked on systems that had to run in an engine car diesel-electric train. Massive amount of shielding required.
19:22:03 <DavidWHodgins> I don't have a working printer, so can't really test it here.
19:22:16 <lewyssmith> wilcal: One of your bête noirs, Bill.
19:22:32 <wilcal> bottom line latest update causes you to have to reinstall the printer
19:22:41 <wilcal> is that universal?
19:22:52 <wilcal> I think I reported that months ago
19:22:59 <lewyssmith> *You* do, but not everyone.
19:23:13 <wilcal> so it's not everywhere
19:23:22 <wilcal> is it a fault or a feature?
19:23:46 <lewyssmith> Luigi said as much "not everywhere" on the bug, I think.
19:24:18 <wilcal> certainly on my HP USB printer
19:24:41 <DavidWHodgins> Which bug is that? I don't see it in madb.
19:24:51 <lewyssmith> Is there contention between HP software & CUPS?
19:25:13 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: It got pushed.
19:25:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ah
19:25:36 <wilcal> the bug that caused the issue was pushed and is now in the wild
19:25:36 <lewyssmith> It was quite well tested.
19:25:53 <wilcal> but the re-install issue was reported in the bug
19:26:09 <wilcal> I don't see it as a big issue but some likely will
19:26:21 <DavidWHodgins> looks like it's bug 16971 now
19:26:22 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16971 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , After CUPS 2.0.4 update, HP printers had to be re-installed
19:26:42 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Just 1 printer, Bill? Or all of yours.
19:27:21 <wilcal> ya i just have one printer. Even if I had two it would be an HP printer
19:27:26 <DavidWHodgins> There is a new cups in updates testing, but it hasn't been assigned to qa yet.
19:27:28 <wilcal> I don't print much
19:28:08 <DavidWHodgins> When it is, people with printers, please try to get it tested quickly.
19:28:27 <wilcal> so maybe we'll get it fixed on the next CUPS update
19:28:49 <wilcal> is doctor5000_ seeing much on the forums
19:29:53 <DavidWHodgins> ping doktor5000_ Florian, are you here?
19:30:37 <wilcal> he's here but not here
19:30:45 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:30:56 <wilcal> so we move on?
19:30:59 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:31:10 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:31:19 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: ping
19:31:22 <wilcal> was's up Luigi
19:31:36 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_lappy: ping
19:31:37 <Luigi12_work> please do test the CUPS in updates_testing and report whether it fixes your issue on bug 16971 wilcal
19:31:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16971 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , After CUPS 2.0.4 update, HP printers had to be re-installed
19:32:08 <lewyssmith> Is this just for HP printers?
19:32:20 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: everyone that's complained AFAICT has had an HP
19:32:24 <Luigi12_work> I didn't check the forum post
19:32:52 <lewyssmith> Which should be a clue.
19:33:00 <wilcal> will do luigi
19:33:20 <Luigi12_work> still waiting for chromium-browser-stable to be updated.  I might have to do it myself yet again (argh!).  It has been updated in Cauldron, just not Mageia 5.
19:33:31 <Luigi12_work> filed a bug for docker on Monday
19:33:41 <Luigi12_work> filed a bug for bouncycastle (a Java package) today
19:33:58 <Luigi12_work> also, java-1.8.0-openjdk update coming soon.  I'll probably push to the BS tomorrow (as long as I don't forget).
19:34:19 <brian__> ok
19:34:20 <Luigi12_work> that's it
19:34:31 <lewyssmith> Cooo
19:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> Nice. Not a big list.
19:34:47 <wilcal> we had another flash crisis this week but it's behiind us right
19:34:54 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:34:56 <Luigi12_work> is it?
19:35:06 <Luigi12_work> my browser on my laptop is still complaining
19:35:07 <DavidWHodgins> Till the next one. :-)
19:35:08 <wilcal> ready for next week's crisis
19:35:39 <wilcal> lets move on
19:35:42 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:36:32 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:36:39 <wilcal> Glen Ogilvie has indeed created two M5 AWS instances to be played with
19:36:41 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
19:37:05 <wilcal> I'm over my head on this but I'm tinkering with it. Another if you get good at it it's a career
19:37:12 <lewyssmith> AWS?
19:37:28 <wilcal> Amazon Web Serves very big and powerful
19:37:36 <Luigi12_work> once wilcal double-checks that lxdm does start X with -auth, all the bugs with OK's can be validated (gvfs I think can be too)
19:37:51 <wilcal> ok
19:39:21 <wilcal> I've tried my weekly boot.iso install of M6 and it still does not complete the install
19:39:47 <lewyssmith> Glutton for punishment.
19:40:06 <Luigi12_work> fresh installs or upgrades?
19:40:12 <wilcal> gets all the way to where you get the 2nd expanding blue bar then hangs
19:40:23 <wilcal> fresh install to a blank drive
19:40:37 <Luigi12_work> expanding blue bar?  You mean progress bar when it's installing the packages?
19:41:01 <wilcal> ya there are two expanding bars during the install
19:41:09 <Luigi12_work> two progress bars you mean
19:41:09 <wilcal> share with me what they mean
19:41:11 <Luigi12_work> they don't expand
19:41:20 <wilcal> progress bars yes
19:41:26 <Luigi12_work> the top one is for the current package being installed, the bottom one is for the full set of packages being installed
19:41:44 <DavidWHodgins> That can be caused by the cauldron mirror resyncing while the install is in progress. Cauldron has been getting a lot of updates over the last few days, so that would not surprise me.
19:41:50 <Luigi12_work> so the top one should go across over and over, and the bottom one should gradually work its way across
19:42:04 <Luigi12_work> it does visually hang sometimes (or quite often actually) but if you wait it usually proceeds
19:42:20 <Luigi12_work> ahh yes, mirror changing out from underneath you will cause problems
19:42:20 <wilcal> that's what I see except it gets all the way to the end and stops
19:42:32 <wilcal> mirror is local and stativ
19:42:34 <Luigi12_work> the bottom one gets to the end and then it stops?
19:42:37 <wilcal> static
19:42:45 <wilcal> yes
19:42:48 <DavidWHodgins> That's why I wait till shortly before the first alpha, when cauldron settles down a bit.
19:42:50 <Luigi12_work> how long did you wait?  sometimes it sits a few minutes
19:43:01 <Luigi12_work> also, if you really think it's hung, check the virtual consoles for error messages
19:43:02 <wilcal> let it wait for an hour today
19:43:08 <Luigi12_work> ok then yeah it got stuck
19:43:28 <Luigi12_work> Ctrl-Alt-F1 (and F2, F3, F4) to check the virtual consoles
19:43:29 <wilcal> all this is in Vbox
19:43:38 <wilcal> ok
19:43:39 <Luigi12_work> ok, Right-Ctrl instead of Ctrl-Alt then
19:43:50 <Luigi12_work> if you're in vbox
19:44:03 <wilcal> takes a long long time
19:44:12 <wilcal> best to have something to watch on TV
19:44:30 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Did you remember to add divider=10 to the kernel options? bug 44
19:44:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images
19:44:44 <wilcal> did not
19:44:54 <DavidWHodgins> It helps a lot.
19:44:58 <wilcal> but I see the same thing on real hardware
19:45:08 <Luigi12_work> the ethtool thing to turn gro off might help too
19:45:22 <Luigi12_work> bug 15060
19:45:24 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15060 critical, High, tmb, NEW , network in virtualbox is horribly slow (NAT), kernel
19:45:58 <wilcal> anything else else
19:46:00 <lewyssmith> Reminder: next week, 20.00 GMT I think. The heading here will need changing. How?
19:46:25 <Luigi12_work> ahh indeed
19:46:27 <wilcal> that's right we change here on 1 Nov
19:46:34 <Luigi12_work> someone just needs to fix the /topic once the meeting ends
19:46:51 <lewyssmith> This weekend in europe.
19:47:00 <Luigi12_work> lemme check the calender
19:47:02 <DavidWHodgins> Also, check https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/  When you see builds that take hours, you know the mirrors are not going to be stable for a while.
19:47:04 <[mbot> [ Build system status ]
19:47:08 <Luigi12_work> yeah October 1
19:47:11 <Luigi12_work> so not next week, the week after
19:47:24 <Luigi12_work> oops, Novbember I meant
19:47:46 <lewyssmith> I thought Europe moved *this* weekend.
19:48:17 <Luigi12_work> DST stuff just needs to die
19:48:58 <DavidWHodgins> We change the meeting time when Europe goes on DST, so for others, we have the meetings an hour later IIRC, till we change too.
19:49:02 <Luigi12_work> we move from Daylight Savings Time to Daylight Stupid Time in the winter
19:49:09 <Luigi12_work> it's completely bass-ackwards
19:49:11 <DavidWHodgins> one hour later local time.
19:49:29 <Luigi12_work> yeah later's not gonna work too well for me :P
19:49:43 <brian__> ah so next week it's at 3 PM (CDT)
19:49:57 <lewyssmith> The meeting e-mail should avert people, whether it is for next week or the week after. Does not matter.
19:50:23 <brian__> ah life
19:50:30 <Luigi12_work> can we have a protest and ask the gov't to not change it and just leave it how it is now?
19:50:51 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:51:55 <DavidWHodgins> We always seem to mess up the notification msg on qa-discuss. I'll look back at the old ones, and try to get it right this time. :-)
19:52:08 <lewyssmith> I'm off. Goodbye everyone, thanks for coming; and to Bill & Dave for chairing.
19:52:14 <Luigi12_work> but since we always mess it up, looking at the old ones will cause you to mess it up again
19:52:17 <brian__> good day
19:52:17 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: good night!
19:52:47 <Luigi12_work> maybe we should just cancel the meeting next week since nobody knows when it should be anyway :P
19:53:27 <wilcal> I think it will be Nov 6
19:53:54 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
19:54:08 <DavidWHodgins> I'll check, and try to figure it out.
19:54:09 <brian__> DST end in U.S.A on Nov-1
19:54:14 <wilcal> anyway lets wrap this thing down
19:54:26 <brian__> can't speak for any other countries
19:54:30 <brian__> yeah - probably so
19:55:25 <wilcal> count down time
19:55:31 <wilcal> t-5
19:55:40 <wilcal> t-4
19:55:48 <wilcal> t-3
19:55:53 <wilcal> t-2
19:56:07 <wilcal> t-1
19:56:12 <wilcal> #endmeeting