19:04:09 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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19:04:28 <MrsB> Morning everybody, welcome to another one :)
19:04:38 <rindolf> Morning QA.
19:04:43 <rindolf> I forgot about it.
19:04:46 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:56 <MrsB> I was late sending the email rindolf, sorry
19:04:58 <rindolf> s/it/the meeting/
19:05:02 <rindolf> MrsB: ah.
19:05:23 <MrsB> Who's Dave today?
19:05:25 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new?
19:05:30 <MrsB> thanks :)
19:05:43 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:06:00 * MrsB thinks not
19:06:06 <lewyssmith> I would be surprised.
19:06:27 <MrsB> I've not been doing much recruiting, or anything else recently :\
19:06:42 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:06:45 <lewyssmith> #topic Dave's Day
19:06:50 <MrsB> tah muchly
19:06:57 <MrsB> Dude :)
19:07:07 <MrsB> How are you feeling Dave?
19:07:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'm back. I've unresigned from the groups I had resigned from. Feeling much better.
19:07:27 <MrsB> \o/
19:07:35 <wilcal> good for you
19:07:37 <lewyssmith> That was bit soon.
19:07:54 <MrsB> he's under instructions to take things easy and not overdo it
19:08:01 <wilcal> the ability to change one's mind is usuallly reserved for the females of the species
19:08:09 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:08:10 * MrsB slaps wilcal
19:08:12 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Anyhow, it is good that you are doing better.
19:08:14 * MrsB takes it back
19:08:20 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks.
19:08:43 <lewyssmith> Nobody seems to heed 'take it easy'.
19:08:44 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Good meds help. :-)
19:08:51 <brian__> #idea - Dave not do bunjee jumping
19:08:57 <MrsB> lol
19:09:14 <MrsB> Take it one day at a time
19:09:36 <DavidWHodgins> Never have. I did try skydiving. Made 3 jumps before I broke a bunch of bones in a car accident on my way for my 4th jump.
19:09:57 <brian__> ouch
19:10:27 <MrsB> that's as good a reason as any not to jump out of a perfectly good plane
19:10:51 <DavidWHodgins> There's no such thing as a perfectly good plane. Every plane has a list of defects.
19:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> Even brand new ones.
19:11:04 <MrsB> reasuring to know
19:11:13 * MrsB cancels holidays
19:11:16 <brian__> but if it isn't crashing at the moment  ;0)
19:11:23 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:11:36 <brian__> I grew up with small airplanes (that we flew in).
19:11:55 <tmb> meh... they just need to be able to get airborn... you will always get back down...
19:12:15 <brian__> meant as <no rc airplane>
19:12:27 <MrsB> the furthest we go is the wet bits of Wales so not really any need for them
19:12:59 <lewyssmith> Midlanders' favourate playground.
19:13:20 <MrsB> we drink the water, go to see where it was made
19:13:49 <MrsB> #info Dave's doing ok :)
19:14:02 <lewyssmith> MrsB: And you get it for free - at present!
19:14:19 <MrsB> I know, it hardly rains here ever
19:14:43 <MrsB> let's move on then and see how much work we have to do
19:14:50 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates
19:15:03 <MrsB> thanks dave
19:15:06 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:15:08 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:15:13 <rindolf> I haven't tested a lot of updates recently.
19:15:21 <rindolf> Should I?
19:15:25 <MrsB> the list is loooong again
19:15:30 <MrsB> yes please rindolf
19:15:39 <rindolf> MrsB: OK , I'll try.
19:15:44 <MrsB> #info We're validating with one test again to bring the list down
19:15:50 <wilcal> ran into a sigfault with openjpeg2 had to push away from the table
19:15:55 <DavidWHodgins> 24. including 4 ready to validate once I get the advisories uploaded.
19:15:59 <wilcal> dabled in the others
19:16:07 <lewyssmith> You did a good job there, Bill.
19:16:09 <rindolf> MrsB: ah.
19:16:31 <wilcal> a couple three of those to top security bugs are kinda complex
19:16:46 <MrsB> I need to apologise for not being able to do much lately
19:17:00 <DavidWHodgins> Same here
19:17:12 <wilcal> your tracks are historically all over some of those top bugs MrsB
19:17:39 <wilcal> the spice thing needs a server set up?
19:18:03 <MrsB> spice is easy to test with virt-manager
19:18:14 <MrsB> or even a clever qemu one liner
19:18:17 <wilcal> but you gotta set up virt-manager
19:18:26 <lewyssmith> Exactly!
19:18:38 <MrsB> set up a machine to use spice yes, there's a link
19:19:04 <MrsB> it's only setting it to use qxl video, then spice rather than vnc
19:19:29 <wilcal> anyway i was a tinker'n with'm and got discourage when I ran into the sigfault
19:19:40 <MrsB> virt-manager just needs libvirtd service to be started
19:19:41 <wilcal> back at it tomorrow
19:19:51 <DavidWHodgins> See bug 10987 and the link in comment 6 of that bug for spice testing.
19:19:52 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 major, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, spice new security issue CVE-2013-4130, spice-0.12.2-5.mga3.src.rpm
19:20:26 <MrsB> was the segfault a regression wilcal?
19:20:48 <lewyssmith> It looks like it.
19:21:00 <wilcal> the initial install worked just fine. after the update_testing was installed sigfault
19:21:25 <wilcal> anyway turned the computer off to return later
19:22:00 <MrsB> the bug shows you used bell before and blackbuck after, worth checking
19:22:21 <wilcal> ya or it's a Vbox thing??
19:22:28 <wilcal> shouldn't be
19:22:44 <DavidWHodgins> I've added the feedback tag to bug 16880
19:22:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16880 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , openjpeg2 new use-after-free and double-free (CVE-2015-6581) security issues, openjpeg2-2.1.0-3.mga5.src.rpm
19:22:51 <MrsB> wouldn't think it was a vbox thing
19:23:09 <brian__> I wouldn either
19:23:15 <wilcal> I'll rerun it all again tomorrow
19:23:20 <lewyssmith> I shall try it tomorrow.
19:23:22 <brian__> I think Wilcal stumbled on a bug for that ppm type
19:23:31 <MrsB> We need a bit of a push to reduce the list don't we :\
19:23:36 <wilcal> that would be bad brian
19:23:47 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: The dev will probably need a backtrace to debug it.
19:23:58 <wilcal> no prob
19:24:13 <brian__> add the command to bug wilcal - learning from your notes here
19:24:51 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Why did you choose ppm images?
19:25:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Debugging_software_crashes
19:25:12 <wilcal> that's what was used in previous bugs
19:25:25 <lewyssmith> Ah.
19:26:19 <wilcal> i've successfully tested this package before
19:28:04 <brian__> thanks - grabbed the debugging link
19:28:16 <MrsB> i'll have a look too tmrw if i get a chance
19:28:26 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try and get the rest of the advisories uploaded to svn after the meeting.
19:28:57 <MrsB> let's validate the kernel too Dave
19:29:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Note that you'll need to enable the debug repos, and install the appropriate debug packages.
19:29:09 <wilcal> ok
19:29:41 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test the kernel-linus after the meeting, both on real hardware and under vb. Then validate if ok.
19:29:55 <MrsB> ok, it needs i586 then in that case
19:30:03 <wilcal> sounds like a plan David
19:30:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. The system I'm typing on is an i586 system.
19:31:21 <MrsB> cool, the others we'll press on and validate on one OK
19:31:36 <lewyssmith> I agree.
19:31:37 <MrsB> apart from nvidia I suppose
19:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. kernel modules, like the kernel itself should be tested on both arches.
19:32:25 <lewyssmith> Agree also.
19:32:30 <wilcal> lets have a discussion about the polkit thing
19:32:39 <MrsB> I have an nvidia340 i586 system, nvidia-current and nvidia340 64bit too so if I can find some time this weekend I'll have a go with that one
19:33:21 <MrsB> go on bill
19:33:45 <wilcal> There is at least 2 bugs seemingly for the same thing
19:34:03 <DavidWHodgins> Same package, different problems.
19:34:10 <wilcal> I'm not see'n a way to demonstrate the bug reliably
19:34:33 <wilcal> fwiw I have a system here that's on all the time and suffers from this all the time
19:34:54 <DavidWHodgins> If you can't recreate the problem, just test that it seems to be working, and include the comment that you couldn't recreate it.
19:35:04 <wilcal> i constantly have to log out of user or reboot the system. None of the command line things have worked
19:35:10 <MrsB> yeah, so more like same issue, two different packages
19:35:33 <wilcal> to run drakconf I always run from a root terminal
19:35:40 <MrsB> updating either should still allow you to do things like start MCC and it ask for your password
19:35:57 <wilcal> it effects other apps like isodumper
19:36:05 <DavidWHodgins> There's bug 16316
19:36:07 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16316 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , Since firefox 38, can't get sound when streaming from radiostation. Get errorcod 3, firefox 38.1.0 1mga5
19:36:15 <DavidWHodgins> and bug 16396
19:36:17 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16396 normal, High, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , MCC won't start after logging out/in to KDE session - session recognised by polkit as "online" vs. "active", systemd-217-11.mga5
19:36:44 <MrsB> bug 16319 you mean i think
19:36:44 <wilcal> is this universally effecting everyone?
19:36:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16319 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , Polkit does not restart automatically after being updated, polkit-0.113-1.mga5
19:36:52 <MrsB> one is polkit, the other systemd
19:37:18 <wilcal> anyway just say'n this/these are a problem
19:37:18 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. Typo time. :-)
19:37:55 <MrsB> It's after the package is updated, polkit should restart itself so you can still access things as root like mcc
19:38:09 <MrsB> you can check it does that by looking in the journal
19:38:28 <lewyssmith> How?
19:38:47 <MrsB> journalctl -f in a terminal as you update it
19:39:02 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
19:39:12 <MrsB> as root btw
19:39:36 <MrsB> journalctl -e or -n<number of lines> are useful too
19:40:29 <MrsB> systemctl status polkit.service may hold enough info to show it restarted too
19:41:36 <MrsB> most DE's other than kde/gnome use mate-polkit so it might be a good diea to check mcc in those
19:41:44 <MrsB> idea*
19:42:59 <MrsB> autokey bug 16854 can be checked with urpmq --requires as it's just an added require
19:43:00 <DavidWHodgins> lol. My brain translated what you wrote into what you meant. Had to look back to see what you were correcting. :-)
19:43:01 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16854 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, REOPENED , autokey-qt - autokey-gtk missing a requires package on python-dbus to work properly, autokey-0.90.4-5.mga5.src.rpm
19:43:33 <MrsB> you're just used to my typos :D not sure if that's a good or bad thing
19:44:24 <MrsB> mga-advisories anybody can check, in theory but best left to people who upload advisories really
19:44:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'll check that when I'm uploading the advisories after the meeting.
19:45:09 <MrsB> pluma is just an added require too so that can be simply checked with urpmq too
19:45:32 <lewyssmith> Otherwise it needs that you do NOT have mate installed.
19:45:36 <MrsB> oh Len has tested that one anyway
19:46:34 <lewyssmith> It is not OK'd.
19:47:22 <MrsB> yeah i'll add it
19:48:03 <MrsB> hmm maybe worth another look, he notes some issues
19:48:17 <DavidWHodgins> He already had pluma installed, so that is not a valid test.
19:48:46 <lewyssmith> Probably mate too.
19:48:47 <MrsB> git we have updates a number of times before and there's an easy to follow testcase for it somewhere
19:48:58 <DavidWHodgins> 'urpmq --requires pluma' does show it, so that's good enough for the test.
19:49:44 <MrsB> remember you can use --media Testing with that too to check the one in updates testing
19:50:33 <DavidWHodgins> I still have the testing media enabled. Keep forgetting to disable it. :-)
19:50:37 <MrsB> broadcom wifi bug 16908 really needs the appropriate hardware to test properly
19:50:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16908 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , broadcom-wifi: binary driver now supports channels 12 & 13 - please provide update/backport of 6.30.223.271, broadcom-wl-6.30.223.248-2.1.mga5.nonfree.src.rpm
19:51:02 <MrsB> anybody using broadcom-wl?
19:51:06 <DavidWHodgins> Worst case, we just check that installs cleanly.
19:51:21 <brian__> I checked the two machines readily available - no
19:51:31 <lewyssmith> Broadcom always causes problems for the real HW.
19:51:34 <MrsB> yeah, we can maybe get the reporter to test that one, if not already done
19:51:37 <brian__> I guess I could steal my daughter machine and see   ;-)
19:51:55 <MrsB> if she has wl brian it'd be nice, thanks
19:52:10 <lewyssmith> I think Herman has Broadcom somewhere.
19:52:57 <MrsB> #info Herman (or anybody with broadcom-wl) please check the update here https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16908
19:52:58 <[mbot> Bug 16908: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , broadcom-wifi: binary driver now supports channels 12 & 13 - please provide update/backport of 6.30.223.271, broadcom-wl-6.30.223.248-2.1.mga5.nonfree.src.rpm
19:53:34 <MrsB> if we can get through that lot we'll be well on our way to bringing the list back under control
19:53:42 <MrsB> what dya reckon?
19:53:53 <lewyssmith> IF is huge.
19:54:17 <MrsB> oh jakarta at the top is a java package, we usually just ensure those update cleanly
19:54:43 <lewyssmith> I am battling with Bacula; again.
19:54:43 <brian__> I did install - seemed fine, Apache was happy afterwards.  Owncloud worked.
19:54:51 <MrsB> I saw lewis, well done
19:55:01 <wilcal> time to validate it
19:55:37 <MrsB> it's not actually related to apache afaik, in name only, but as long as it's ok let's push it
19:55:57 <MrsB> remember to add the OK's brian please
19:56:06 <brian__> I'm very junior in MGA testing.  So, I appreciate someone confirming my work.  Concerned I'm missing the real QA part
19:56:31 <lewyssmith> For many things we are all novices.
19:57:00 <brian__> so hesitant to dive in OK without one of the folks on this chat's blessing
19:57:38 <MrsB> yes, you can add the OK anyway though. There are other steps the bug goes through before it's actually pushed. We usually read what was done when we add the advisory  and tmb usually checks when he pushes them too
19:57:45 <DavidWHodgins> For bacula, see attachment 5346 in bugzilla
19:57:48 <[mbot> Attachment https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5346&action=edit text/plain, installation How-To for testing, Bacula-Tesing
19:58:45 <lewyssmith> Out of date for M5.
19:59:32 <lewyssmith> See my introductroy comment on the new bug.
19:59:56 <MrsB> didn't we just update php-ZendFramework?
20:00:13 <lewyssmith> Recently, I think.
20:00:32 <brian__> yes
20:00:43 <MrsB> should be able to follow how that was done last time
20:00:45 <brian__> that was the one where I tried Gallette
20:00:51 <MrsB> ahh yes
20:01:01 <MrsB> that one is yours then brian :)
20:01:07 <brian__> lol - sure
20:01:20 <brian__> I'll work on it again
20:01:25 <MrsB> cool, thanks
20:01:53 <MrsB> I think we're in good shape really, just with a long list
20:02:19 <MrsB> Any other testing queries?
20:02:59 <MrsB> let's move on then
20:03:03 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:03:07 <MrsB> thanks
20:03:12 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping?
20:03:45 <MrsB> i can't remember if he said he would be busy today
20:04:21 <DavidWHodgins> I think he said this was his last week teaching for a while.
20:04:33 <MrsB> he must be busy
20:04:54 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_lappy: ping
20:05:42 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 is busy today could you send the roundup to the ML please David instead, thanks!
20:05:56 <MrsB> ok then, that only leaves..
20:06:02 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
20:06:05 <MrsB> ahhaa
20:06:10 <MrsB> thankyou
20:06:15 <lewyssmith> Yes, here.
20:06:17 <MrsB> Is there anythign else?
20:06:19 <MrsB> ohh ok
20:06:35 <DavidWHodgins> I'm back, but will limit myself to no more than a couple of hours at a time, with long breaks in between.
20:07:09 <wilcal> not from me
20:07:11 <brian__> nothing here
20:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:07:30 <lewyssmith> I have discovered by chance that I seem to have postgresql9.3-server-9.3.9-1.mga5 with postgresql9.4-9.4.4-1.mga5 client. How can I sort this without removing postgres?
20:08:36 <lewyssmith> Both versions are available.
20:08:37 <rindolf> Nothin here.
20:08:40 <MrsB> if it prevents you from removing the client due to dependincies, you *can* use rpm -e --nodeps to remove it without the dependencies, then replace with the correct version
20:09:09 <MrsB> be careful to ensure you have the right libpq* too
20:09:20 <MrsB> IIRC
20:09:44 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:09:44 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm 'urpmq -y postgresql' is not showing the client for some reason.
20:10:07 <Luigi12_work> OMG QA meeting
20:10:16 <lewyssmith> Welcome!
20:10:26 <MrsB> like duh :)
20:10:31 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:10:49 <Luigi12_work> yeah actually teaching next week and the week after
20:10:49 <MrsB> do you want to roundup now Luigi12_work or send to ML
20:11:10 <Luigi12_work> let's knock it out real quick
20:11:16 <MrsB> k'dokes
20:11:29 <MrsB> #topic Luigi12's Real Roundup
20:11:54 <Luigi12_work> ok, I mentioned perl-Email-Address last week, the upstream fix is very incomplete, so we're waiting for a better fix there
20:12:28 <Luigi12_work> reported a bug for fuseiso last week, not sure if I mentioned it last week.  No maintainer, so that helps...
20:12:44 <MrsB> #info perl-Email-Address waiting on a better upstream fix
20:12:47 <Luigi12_work> libaudiofile has an issue, but the proposed patch isn't quite right according to upstream, so waiting for a better fix there
20:13:01 <Luigi12_work> postgresql announced new versions today which fix two security issues
20:13:12 <Luigi12_work> that's it
20:13:23 <lewyssmith> Short & sweet.
20:13:30 <DavidWHodgins> Nice and short. Thanks Luigi12_work!
20:13:37 <MrsB> #info Updates coming for fuseiso and postgresql - libaudiofile waiting on a better fix too
20:13:45 <MrsB> that was painless :)
20:13:51 <MrsB> thanks David
20:14:09 <MrsB> #topic The Countdown
20:14:15 <MrsB> T - 5
20:14:21 <wilcal> bye all
20:14:21 <MrsB> thanks everybody
20:14:23 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone
20:14:27 <MrsB> same time next week!
20:14:31 <MrsB> 4
20:14:32 <brian__> 4 3 2 1 <boom>
20:14:32 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:14:33 <MrsB> 3
20:14:34 <MrsB> 2
20:14:36 <MrsB> 1
20:14:39 <MrsB> #endmeeting