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19:04:14 <DavidWHodgins> Yep, though he doesn't seem interested in eating right now.
19:04:14 <lewyssmith> wilcal: You can have tea & cake for lunch, too.
19:04:38 <MrsB> yes, polite society cakes and high tea
19:05:02 <MrsB> #chair lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:02 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:18 <lewyssmith> Do you want me to be Dave?
19:05:21 <MrsB> Welcome to another one everybody
19:05:27 <MrsB> yes, he's a retiree now
19:05:35 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes. Not ready to come back yet.
19:05:46 <MrsB> we'll tempt him backone day
19:05:55 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new?
19:06:03 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:06:11 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
19:06:30 * MrsB doesn't think so
19:06:49 <MrsB> it'll be a quick meeting today i think \o/
19:06:57 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates
19:07:05 <MrsB> thanks
19:07:19 <MrsB> Sooo well done everybody for clearing the kernel
19:07:31 <wilcal> Installs went well here today
19:07:39 <MrsB> kernel-linus could do with a test or two if you're still in a kerneling mood
19:07:47 <wilcal> including my vbox system
19:08:04 <wilcal> looks ok to me
19:08:05 <DavidWHodgins> The problems I had were due to having / and grub on sdb, not sda. Forgot to change /boot/grub/menu.lst after installing the kernel.
19:08:08 <rindolf> Nice , re kernel.
19:08:34 <wilcal> Vbox is now at 5.0.4
19:08:35 <MrsB> kernel-linus doesn't have the prebuilt kmod packages so needs to use the dkms-* ones. To compile the modules it also needs the kernel-linus-devel-latest too
19:09:36 <MrsB> kernels are a bit intimidating but although they represent alot of work to test, it's all fairly straightforward
19:09:49 <DavidWHodgins> Just tedious.
19:09:52 <MrsB> yeah
19:09:56 <tmb> there will also land a kernel-tmb-desktop update too in a day or so
19:09:58 <wilcal> it's complex but repetitive one kernel to the next
19:10:05 <MrsB> anybody struggling?
19:10:06 <wilcal> lots of things are moving
19:10:44 <MrsB> Benmc: you doing ok with kernels?
19:10:55 <tmb> well we are past the big jump now so it should hopefully be safer updates from now on
19:11:05 <DavidWHodgins> thunderbird doesn't have a poc, so it should be easy to test.
19:11:17 <MrsB> yes, it'll be interesting to see if there's any intel fallout
19:11:34 <tmb> yep
19:12:08 <Benmc> Mrsb: catching up with work from while I was away on hols, so not much tim yet to do Mageia stuff.
19:12:22 <MrsB> That's ok, welcome back :)
19:12:46 <wilcal> i need some clairfication on:
19:12:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16844
19:12:52 <MrsB> I'm thinking I'll validate all the current ones with one OK (apart from the kernel)
19:13:45 <MrsB> gphoto2 is the thing that talks to the camera wilcal
19:14:08 <wilcal> I understand that. the bug is "canon eos 10d"
19:14:21 <wilcal> is it that camera specific or canon EOS in general
19:14:24 <MrsB> it should show that it recognises the camera with gphoto2 -L
19:14:36 <wilcal> "10D" does not exist here in the States
19:14:40 <lewyssmith> Need the camera...
19:14:56 <wilcal> An EOS camera or the "10D" specifically
19:15:03 <MrsB> well, the bug is camera specific I think, yes. But it should recognise your camera when you try it
19:15:12 <wilcal> I have an EOS camera and I'll give that a try
19:15:26 <MrsB> yep, great. that's about as close as we're likely to get
19:15:38 <lewyssmith> I think we can go back to 2 OKs.
19:15:44 <DavidWHodgins> If no one has that camera, just ensure it works with some other camera. Qa cannot test fixes for specific hardware that no one on the team has.
19:15:46 <wilcal> Canon renames their cameras by region
19:15:53 <tmb> and ask reporter to confirm fix
19:16:08 <lewyssmith> If possible, alawyas, yes.
19:16:15 <MrsB> we have really lewis, just wanted to get the turnover up a bit
19:16:57 <lewyssmith> I have been out of action for some time, but can restart testing a bit .
19:17:05 <MrsB> I'll hang on if we can get them tested on both though
19:17:14 <MrsB> ok cool :)
19:17:52 <MrsB> nothing bad causing you to be out of action I hope
19:18:20 <lewyssmith> Bloody hard work on a grand scale.
19:18:32 <MrsB> lol that's quite bad
19:18:45 <lewyssmith> Done now.
19:18:53 <MrsB> do you ever hear from oliviercc btw?
19:19:17 <lewyssmith> No. I have lost his e-mail address to chase him.
19:19:28 <lewyssmith> He was *good*.
19:19:37 <MrsB> I'll dig it out and drop him a line tmrw
19:19:44 <MrsB> yeah and herman
19:20:16 <MrsB> Are there any other updates causing difficulties?
19:20:38 <lewyssmith> Bacula? I will look at that.
19:20:47 <MrsB> ohh well done :)
19:21:11 <MrsB> that's a baptism by fire
19:21:36 <MrsB> Let's move on then
19:21:42 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's roundup
19:21:48 <MrsB> thanks Dave dude
19:22:00 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping!
19:22:12 <Luigi12_work> whoa baby, meeting is flying today
19:22:12 <MrsB> can't remember if he's teaching again this week
19:22:14 <MrsB> ahh
19:22:25 <MrsB> not teaching
19:23:00 <Luigi12_work> yeah just finished Tuesday
19:23:04 <Luigi12_work> starting again week after next
19:23:30 <MrsB> don't they know you've got stuff to do
19:23:45 <Luigi12_work> seriously!  I have way too much stuff to do :o(
19:23:55 <Luigi12_work> at least the teaching is fun, but it's hard to get anything done
19:23:58 <MrsB> need to start recruiting
19:24:39 <Luigi12_work> I'm waiting for bugzilla to load......
19:24:48 <MrsB> yeah it seems a bit slow here too
19:25:16 <lewyssmith> Not working for me.
19:25:44 <DavidWHodgins> It's working here, but taking around 30 to 45 seconds to load.
19:25:59 <wilcal> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:26:02 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:26:04 <wilcal> working here fast
19:26:25 <MrsB> wilcal's roundup this week then
19:26:34 <Luigi12_work> ok it's loaded
19:26:43 <lewyssmith> wilcal: That is not Bugzilla, Bill.
19:26:53 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on php-ZendFramework2 maintainer to update it to 2.4.8
19:26:58 <Luigi12_work> I might just have to do it for him
19:27:09 * tmb just kicked bugzilla server
19:27:18 <MrsB> #info still waiting on php-ZendFramework2 maintainer to update it to 2.4.8
19:27:18 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable maintainer didn't take care of the update for that, so I just checked it into SVN
19:27:24 <MrsB> thanks tmb
19:27:27 <Luigi12_work> the build system is really bad today, so I won't push it until later
19:27:34 <Luigi12_work> it's super super super slow and not working right
19:27:57 <lewyssmith> tmb: With good effect.
19:28:05 <Luigi12_work> filed a bug for lxc this week, it needs to be updated to 2.0.8.  No maintainer, bug sander85 updated it last.
19:28:07 * tmb will go kick bs next
19:28:23 <MrsB> #info chromium-browser-stable maintainer didn't respond to sec updates so David checked it in
19:28:28 <Luigi12_work> perl-Email-Address we might update soon or not, up to sander85 what he wants to do with that
19:28:54 <Luigi12_work> jakarta-commons-httpclient and httpcomponents-client have another security issue, so we'll have to patch those soon
19:29:15 <MrsB> #info updates coming for lxc (no maintainer but hopefully sander85)
19:29:17 <Luigi12_work> fuseiso has some issues, filed a bug for that today.  Nobody's touched that package since it was first imported into Mageia :o(
19:29:28 <Luigi12_work> and PHP update is still building...so coming soon
19:29:37 <Luigi12_work> und das ist alles!
19:29:44 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: thanks.
19:29:47 <wilcal> i've someting to mention
19:29:59 <tmb> there will be a nvidia* security update
19:30:07 <Luigi12_work> ahh yeah that too
19:30:13 <MrsB> #info updates due for perl-Email-Address (maybe), some java packages, fuseiso (not touched since imported), and php
19:30:35 <MrsB> #info also nvidia* drivers too for a security issue
19:30:51 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Thanks David.
19:30:54 <MrsB> is it a security thing wilcal?
19:30:57 <wilcal> Yes
19:31:05 <MrsB> mention away then :)
19:31:06 <wilcal> Assuming we're all adults here
19:31:11 <MrsB> mostly
19:31:16 <Luigi12_work> somewhat
19:31:20 <wilcal> A major porn site is giving flash the boot and is promoting that other similar sites to do the same.
19:31:21 <tmb> I'm thinking of takeing over qemu maintenance to get it going too...
19:31:21 <MrsB> most of the time
19:31:26 <lewyssmith> Or beyond.
19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Switching to html5?
19:31:48 <wilcal> If that gets some traction them maybe the end of flash is in sight
19:31:54 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: that would be a good thing.  porn sites are notorious hosts of malware (not always on purpose)
19:32:01 <wilcal> yes they are going straignt to html5
19:32:08 <wilcal> you want me to mention the site
19:32:15 <DavidWHodgins> So is iplayer.
19:32:15 <Luigi12_work> maybe after the meeting
19:32:16 <tmb> "going straight" :)
19:32:19 <Luigi12_work> lol
19:32:38 <wilcal> it's easy and tey are promotiing it all over the site
19:32:41 <wilcal> porn.com
19:32:51 <MrsB> one down then, several billion to go
19:32:55 <Luigi12_work> I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising
19:33:14 <Luigi12_work> tmb: what about xen?  We have a horrible situation with that package.
19:33:16 <wilcal> the major thing is to get the video of flash
19:33:24 <wilcal> off flash
19:33:44 <lewyssmith> Tell the BBC.
19:33:48 <MrsB> not all internet video is porn, admitedly most is
19:34:02 <Luigi12_work> yeah according to internet traffic analysis
19:34:11 <wilcal> gotta get ride of this horroble flash
19:34:20 <wilcal> is netflix html5
19:34:23 <Luigi12_work> VMWare also needs to update their horrible web interface to not use Flash (or other plugins, which it also uses)
19:34:31 <tmb> Luigi12_work, tbh I haven't checked that for a long time... I'll try to take a look and see how much work it is
19:34:50 <MrsB> Is there anything else sec related?
19:34:58 <wilcal> not from me
19:35:03 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I think the options for xen are patching (a bazillion patches to apply probably) or updating (which requires rebuilding everything that's linked to it AFAIK)
19:35:20 <MrsB> I thought AL13N was xen master?
19:35:40 <Luigi12_work> yes and we've never done any security updates for it
19:35:54 <Luigi12_work> we even got added to their private security e-mail list
19:36:01 <Luigi12_work> we've done nothing with the information
19:36:05 <MrsB> shame to let it slide
19:36:12 <MrsB> has he been prodded?
19:36:17 <Luigi12_work> I'm surprised we haven't gotten kicked off their list yet
19:36:27 <Luigi12_work> prodding doesn't help
19:36:38 <Luigi12_work> I had to update mariadb last time too (right before mga4 EOL)
19:36:54 <DavidWHodgins> I vaguely remember testing a xen update, but maybe I'm mixing it up with qemu.
19:37:10 <tmb> yeah, he's mostly mia nowdays it seems
19:37:13 <MrsB> Akien: ennael could you mention security updates in your next meeting please
19:37:45 <Luigi12_work> I've gotten much busier this year and I can't keep up with packging everything myself, and I'm getting less help than ever
19:38:02 <MrsB> you'll need to take somebody under your wing
19:38:14 <Luigi12_work> would really help
19:38:28 <lewyssmith> Any of your students?
19:38:29 <Luigi12_work> especially since I'm by myself again on the team, since Oden is riding his dirt bike all the time
19:38:41 * MrsB prods Oden
19:39:03 <Luigi12_work> he's taking a break from working and trying to enjoy life for a little while
19:39:27 <lewyssmith> Sensible fellow.
19:39:37 <Luigi12_work> he did this job for 10 years, probably needed the break :o)
19:39:54 <MrsB> sounds like we need to start building more of a team then in the security team. Maybe some blog posts and recruiting in packagers
19:40:23 <Luigi12_work> I'm planning on writing a paper and doing a presentation on what the security team does for a class I'm taking
19:40:25 <MrsB> or maybe better to take on an apprentice
19:40:34 <Luigi12_work> I'll share the paper with Mageia of course
19:40:45 <MrsB> yeah anybody in your classes interested?
19:41:20 <Luigi12_work> my students are busy training for their job, as far as the class I'm a student in, I don't know anyone there
19:41:56 <Luigi12_work> now that we're using Mageia desktops at work in the classroom, Mageia is getting some visibilty with our students
19:42:02 <Luigi12_work> some of them are using it at home as a result
19:42:13 <MrsB> well we at least need to publicise the need for help and see what comes from it
19:42:20 <Luigi12_work> so who knows, maybe we'll see one of them someday, but probably not :o)
19:42:26 <MrsB> you game for a blog post?
19:42:36 <Luigi12_work> hopefully it'll help to document what the security team does
19:42:48 <Luigi12_work> maybe we can do a blog post once the paper is written
19:42:51 <Luigi12_work> it's due in 6 weeks
19:42:54 <MrsB> yes, we found the qa documentation helped attract people
19:43:48 <lewyssmith> Move on?
19:43:54 <Luigi12_work> yep
19:43:56 <MrsB> yep, thanks David
19:44:01 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
19:44:05 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:44:13 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:44:34 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:44:43 <wilcal> kudos to tmb for the latest kernel updates
19:44:54 <wilcal> that was a lot of work
19:45:05 <DavidWHodgins> Just that I've sent a message to the dev and council  mailing lists suggesting deciding on the dates for Mageia 6
19:45:17 <wilcal> Yes i saw that
19:45:31 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, that has already been discussed in council...
19:45:34 <MrsB> yes, we need to ickstart development again. Waiting on dev/packager meeting i think now
19:45:52 <MrsB> kickstart*
19:46:06 <Luigi12_work> well we decided on April for the release, but all the milestone dates haven't been set yet
19:46:06 <tmb> and the suggested plan was for a mga6 release in ~april 2016....
19:46:08 <DavidWHodgins> I'll have to go back in my mailing list archive to see what was decided.
19:46:20 <lewyssmith> I need to do that 'tainted' suggestion.
19:46:21 <Luigi12_work> unless I forgot something
19:46:31 <tmb> iirc ennael was supposed to mail about it but probably forgot....
19:46:33 <MrsB> we haven't even agreed features yet
19:46:46 <lewyssmith> See above.
19:47:11 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:47:21 <DavidWHodgins> Not here
19:47:24 <wilcal> not from me
19:47:33 <MrsB> sorry lewis, yes, do the tainted proposal :)
19:48:19 <MrsB> T - 5 then
19:48:24 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all & thanks for coming.
19:48:28 <wilcal> bye all
19:48:34 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody, keep testing!
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19:48:44 <MrsB> #endmeeting