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19:03:43 <wilcal> There it worked
19:04:03 <wilcal> Meeting Today/Tonight @ 20:00 UTC as usual in #mageia-qa on irc.freenode.net
19:04:05 <wilcal> The usual topics
19:04:08 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:30 <wilcal> See anyone new on the listing
19:04:59 <wilcal> #chair Brian_
19:04:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Brian_ wilcal
19:05:12 <wilcal> we're gonna make Brian a chair today :-))
19:05:24 * Akien sits on Brian__.
19:05:36 <wilcal> I don't see anyone new today
19:05:51 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:06:04 <Brian__> LOL - I'm not up to that
19:06:15 <wilcal> We're about another week away from summer holidays being over in Europe
19:06:23 <lewyssmith> We nearly got them done, then, whoof, a flood of new ones.
19:06:34 <Brian__> yes my jaw dropped
19:06:42 <wilcal> Ya well the new ones mostly are simple testing
19:06:56 <wilcal> David ( Luigi ) and I discussed that this morning
19:07:23 <lewyssmith> But it shows we *can* achieve things even when over-stretched.
19:07:29 <wilcal> I want to list the really easy ones to let people have the experience
19:07:55 <lewyssmith> Hardly anyone is interested at present.
19:08:56 <lewyssmith> We have managed because of a lot of 'outside' help, for which we need to be damned grateful. Conspicuously Luigi & Rémi.
19:09:01 <wilcal> I still poke at at least one per day. I may not be successful
19:10:20 <wilcal> Listing is here:
19:10:22 <wilcal> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:10:25 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:10:40 <Brian__> new demands of life and work - so falling off to about one a week for me
19:10:48 <Luigi12_work> most of the current security update candidates are very low risk for regression, so they can just be tested for installation, as we need to get the mga4 ones done in the next two weeks
19:11:00 <Luigi12_work> lighttpd is the only one with major changes, so that needs tested more carefully
19:11:05 <wilcal> There that's what I wanted to say
19:11:15 <lewyssmith> I cheerfully do (if there are any) easy ones just to reduce the list; it becomes less daunting, and one can concentrate on the harder things.
19:11:16 <Luigi12_work> hopefully Luca (who reported some of the problems that prompted the changes) will test and report on lighttpd
19:11:18 <wilcal> Can you just list those here Luigi for the record
19:11:29 <Brian__> I could build out MGA4 on a physical and work some.  Let me know if that's where you'd like me to focus
19:11:37 <wilcal> Maybe just the bug numbers
19:11:51 <Luigi12_work> lighttpd is bug 16555
19:11:52 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16555 major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , lighttpd new security issue CVE-2015-3200, lighttpd-1.4.35-5.mga5.src.rpm
19:12:09 <Luigi12_work> you realyl don't need to spend a lot of time on the others (the security ones), let's get them out there
19:12:12 <Akien> Brian__: MGA4 will end its life in two weeks though, so a MGA5 install might be more useful in the long run
19:12:44 <Brian__> that's what I've focused on, but just tell me where to be
19:12:54 <lewyssmith> Can you test lighttpd in-house? How do get it to replace Apache? Uninstall that first?
19:13:16 <wilcal> So you'd say all the security updates are test a clean install and update
19:13:19 <Luigi12_work> yeah it'd conflict with apache
19:13:33 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes, with the exception of virtualbox and the kernels of course
19:13:46 <Luigi12_work> and hplip, which is not ready
19:13:54 <wilcal> Yes, that is a completely seperate issue I want to talk about
19:13:57 <lewyssmith> I shudder to think what else would be taken ut with Apache...
19:14:28 <wilcal> So anyone here can just make sure the present version of an rpm installs ok then updates ok and we can push it on its way
19:14:34 <Luigi12_work> roundcubemail you don't need to rush with, but hopefully it's ok now that the dependency issue was fixed
19:14:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: We should try more if we can!
19:15:15 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: we don't have time right now
19:15:26 <wilcal> Yes, if something looks interesting to you for sure poke away at it
19:15:30 <Luigi12_work> there's ~30 update candidates and two weeks left to test
19:15:38 <Luigi12_work> feel free to test something more fully if you can and have time
19:15:43 <wilcal> Also see if something has been done with it in the past
19:15:57 <Luigi12_work> the priority are the ones that are for both mga4 and mga5
19:16:01 <wilcal> document as best you can in the bug
19:16:09 <wilcal> so others can follow you in the future
19:16:18 <lewyssmith> I do that always.
19:16:25 <Luigi12_work> you can use curl and wget to test libidn
19:16:51 <Luigi12_work> everything else is pretty much minor patches or updates with very low risk of regression
19:17:03 <Luigi12_work> so try not to obsess over anything the next couple of weeks
19:17:38 <lewyssmith> !
19:17:38 <Luigi12_work> I had a huge backlog since packagers aren't helping with security updates, and I finally had time to get to some of them yesterday and today
19:17:43 <Luigi12_work> I was a couple months behind
19:18:17 <lewyssmith> *Should* packagers help with security updates?
19:18:52 <Luigi12_work> they should be the ones packaging them
19:19:07 <lewyssmith> And they don't?
19:19:25 <Luigi12_work> I'm a packager too, so I would package some of them of course anyway, but several of the ones I did yesterday have maintainers who have just completely ignored the bugs
19:19:51 <lewyssmith> I begin to see where your angst come from.
19:20:04 <Luigi12_work> maybe I should name names
19:20:11 <lewyssmith> No!
19:20:34 <Luigi12_work> :o)
19:20:54 <lewyssmith> We have to be very careful not to upset anyone - especially volunteer.
19:20:54 <wilcal> You can't be displenary in a voluneer community
19:21:06 <Brian__> I keep waiting for you guys to fire me!
19:21:15 <wilcal> Never happen
19:21:32 <lewyssmith> One OK a week is fine, Brian. We just ned 12 people doing that.
19:22:05 <wilcal> Status of kernel and Vbox are a little unclear
19:22:27 <Luigi12_work> kernel is ready to be tested *unless* you're using kmod packages from nvidia, virtualbox, or broadcom-wl
19:22:28 <wilcal> New kernel + nvidia don't work I understand
19:22:49 <Brian__> yes I noticed 4.1.6.1 and 4.1.6-4
19:22:53 <Luigi12_work> nvidia kmod can't be rebuilt for the kernel update until bug 16438 is pushed
19:22:54 <wilcal> Also new kernel and Vbox are not happy with each other.
19:22:55 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16438 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: nvidia-current-346.82-1.mga5, nvidia-current
19:23:00 <Brian__> can we skip 4.1.6-1?
19:23:13 <Luigi12_work> virtualbox kmod can't be built until bug 16437 is pushed
19:23:15 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , update request: virtualbox 5.0.2, virtualbox
19:23:18 <Luigi12_work> Brian__: yes you can skip the kernel for now
19:23:27 <wilcal> I spent most of yesterday work'n on that unsuccessfully
19:23:45 <lewyssmith> Is it worth greying?
19:23:46 <Luigi12_work> we really need to get nvidia, broadcom (bug 16390), and virtualbox validated though
19:23:46 <Brian__> ok - I commented and saw a reply to the effect of good luck.  That stopped me
19:23:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16390 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , broadcom wifi: kernel panic with static IP & with suspend/resume, kmod-broadcom-wl-6.30.223.248-33.mga5.nonfree.src.rpm
19:23:49 <wilcal> I think maybe that does not go forward till M4 goes EOL??
19:23:57 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: no it doesn't need to be gray, it can be tested now
19:24:07 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: no, virtualbox is ready to be pushed for Mageia 4 as well
19:24:15 <Luigi12_work> do not wait, let's get it validated
19:24:26 <wilcal> For M4 is fine yes
19:25:01 <lewyssmith> Please validate it then, Bill.
19:25:07 <wilcal> Will do
19:25:26 <lewyssmith> It has been there for weeks I think.
19:26:16 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437
19:26:17 <[mbot> Bug 16437: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , update request: virtualbox 5.0.2, virtualbox
19:26:32 <wilcal> has both M4 + M5 in it. How can I validate only M4
19:26:43 <Luigi12_work> yeah I finally tested virtualbox last weekend.  It works fine.  Let's validate it.
19:26:51 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: no, the whole thing can be validated
19:27:15 <wilcal> Will work in M5 also
19:27:19 <Brian__> I've been living VBOX 5 on MGA5.  USB is the thing I'm weak on
19:27:22 <Luigi12_work> yes it works fine
19:27:30 <wilcal> ok
19:27:47 <lewyssmith> Chocks away! then.
19:28:05 <Luigi12_work> do we know why broadcom and nvidia aren't validated yet?
19:28:33 <Brian__> I think nvidia needs a newer card than I have
19:28:57 <Brian__> I may have a broadcom somewhere (maybe still it out of my daughter's machine?)  ;-)
19:29:27 <wilcal> Ok validated the Vbox bug
19:29:49 <Brian__> nvidia/broadcom -> needs the right hardware
19:30:29 <wilcal> The hplib thing is still in limbo
19:30:55 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: It looks unclear, but Comment 9 OKs it in principle. It is all double-Dutch to me.
19:31:14 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: which bug are you talking about?
19:31:31 <lewyssmith> Bug 16390
19:31:32 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16390 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , broadcom wifi: kernel panic with static IP & with suspend/resume, kmod-broadcom-wl-6.30.223.248-33.mga5.nonfree.src.rpm
19:32:10 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: can you comment on that one?  what's the status?
19:32:11 <lewyssmith> Sorry if I misfired.
19:32:17 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: not at all
19:32:50 <Luigi12_work> I guess we need clarification from hviaene.  If he says it's OK, it can be validated.
19:33:27 <lewyssmith> He is supposedly here.
19:33:39 <Luigi12_work> guess he's AFK
19:33:53 <lewyssmith> That looks rude.
19:34:00 <Luigi12_work> what does?
19:34:04 <lewyssmith> AFK
19:34:17 <Luigi12_work> it's rude to be away from the keyboard?
19:34:22 <Luigi12_work> maybe he has something else to di
19:34:24 <Luigi12_work> do
19:34:26 <lewyssmith> Ah.
19:35:26 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill: advance to Luigi's roundup?
19:35:31 <Luigi12_work> yep
19:36:07 <hviaene> Here
19:36:27 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:36:31 <hviaene> Broadcom works for me, but I guess it is an older chipset
19:36:46 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: what's the status of bug 16390?  Can it be validated?
19:36:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16390 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , broadcom wifi: kernel panic with static IP & with suspend/resume, kmod-broadcom-wl-6.30.223.248-33.mga5.nonfree.src.rpm
19:36:59 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Welcome Ben.
19:37:16 <Benmc> Good morning Lewis, QA
19:37:58 <hviaene> I OK'd it, someone else added the question mark later
19:38:11 <Luigi12_work> ok, let's validate it then
19:38:21 <Luigi12_work> if something else needs to be addressed with it, it can be done with the next kernel update
19:38:29 <Luigi12_work> ok, round up time
19:38:57 <Luigi12_work> I asked for clarification on the status of the Qt/Plasma update.  Hoping at least Qt5 will be ready soonish.
19:39:19 <Luigi12_work> pcre is kind of a mess, hoping to do something soon but not sure.  Could use some assistance there.
19:39:40 <Luigi12_work> might push a minor squid update if I can get a sysadmin to clear the one in updates_testing out
19:40:04 <Luigi12_work> Akien is working on xfsprogs, and we'll have a util-linux update to go along with that
19:40:21 <Luigi12_work> nagios-plugins maintainer is ignoring the bug, so knows on that one
19:40:29 <Luigi12_work> jasper, still waiting for usable patches
19:40:47 <Luigi12_work> uglify-js, still waiting on the maintainer
19:41:06 <Luigi12_work> Akien is working on freeimage as well.  I grabbed the patch for its security issue, but some other image libraries need to be unbundled
19:41:26 <Luigi12_work> maradns maintainer ASSIGNED the bug to himself, but there's not much time left as that's mga4 only
19:41:43 <Luigi12_work> rt is a long-since unmaintained package that we need to drop, not sure if anything will be done about it
19:41:49 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser update coming soon
19:41:57 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have right now
19:42:15 <lewyssmith> Niftily presented.
19:42:21 <wilcal> Thank you luigi cool
19:42:35 <wilcal> gotta be a copy and paste job  :-))
19:42:48 <wilcal> On to anything else
19:42:56 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:42:56 <Luigi12_work> thanks everyone, good meeting today
19:43:05 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:43:20 <Brian__> nothing from me
19:43:24 <lewyssmith> Thanks to *you* David for your extra hard work.
19:43:29 <wilcal> I'm done too
19:43:37 <Brian__> I second the Thanks
19:43:43 <hviaene> Is MGA5 not closing a known problem?
19:43:59 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: not logging out, or not shutting down?
19:44:03 <hviaene> With nVidia graphics
19:44:37 <hviaene> from KDE : the dialogue to shutdown does not come thru
19:44:39 <Brian__> oh you ran into that?
19:44:49 <Luigi12_work> what do you mean "does not come thru"
19:45:01 <Luigi12_work> shutdown is not shown as an option, or something incorrect happens when you click it?
19:45:27 <hviaene> A window is supposed to come up presenting the choice to shutdown or restart
19:45:33 <hviaene> that does not appear
19:46:04 <lewyssmith> Since Brian knows it, it looks like a good bug.
19:46:41 <Brian__> old equipment with Mate in my case
19:47:03 <Brian__> Ijust figured it was my old sempron
19:47:24 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: does it also just not do anything if you choose Log Out?
19:47:48 <hviaene> Its not my PC, i guess it iqs a dual core Intel 5 years old
19:48:05 <wilcal> I have the ultimate power off switch. It's the power cord. Works every time.  :-))
19:48:08 <hviaene> Luigi :  indeed
19:48:24 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: yes I've seen that, and on radeon hardware, so it doesn't seem specific
19:48:30 <Luigi12_work> it doesn't happen every time, but it happens sometimes
19:48:39 <Luigi12_work> just have to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (twice)
19:48:45 <Luigi12_work> not sure why it happens
19:48:55 <hviaene> OK
19:48:55 <Luigi12_work> also not sure if we have a bug for it in Bugzilla
19:50:05 <Brian__> here is something I did on my equipment.  that is interesting (the one machine that does this)
19:50:18 <Brian__> if I use "halt" command it stays on
19:50:26 <Brian__> if I use "shutdown" it goes off
19:50:42 <Brian__> try that and let me known.  I was guessing something at a lower level
19:50:45 <Luigi12_work> what do you mean by "stays on"
19:50:47 <lewyssmith> Nothing from me. The mailList is going well.
19:50:52 <Luigi12_work> does nothing, or shuts down and doesn't power off?
19:51:00 <Luigi12_work> note that "halt" is not *supposed* to power the hardware off
19:51:03 <Brian__> does not power off
19:51:05 <Luigi12_work> and yes I know it has at times in the past
19:51:18 <hviaene> I'll have to go to my friends tomorrow and test
19:51:23 <Luigi12_work> "halt -p" or "poweroff" is supposed to power off
19:51:29 <Luigi12_work> halt is only supposed to stop the operating system
19:51:37 <Brian__> that's what I did, just been months ago
19:51:58 <Luigi12_work> anything else?  countdown time?
19:52:11 <Brian__> yup
19:52:18 <Brian__> countdown
19:52:25 <Luigi12_work> sweet
19:52:31 <wilcal> Time for count down
19:52:39 <wilcal> 5
19:52:43 <wilcal> anything anything else
19:52:51 <wilcal> 4
19:52:59 <wilcal> 3
19:53:07 <Luigi12_work> don't forget to validate nvidia, broadcom, and virtualbox.  See ya.
19:53:11 <wilcal> 2
19:53:16 <wilcal> 1
19:53:18 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:53:23 <wilcal> #endmeeting