19:01:06 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:01:22 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new?
19:01:40 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:01:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:01:47 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new?
19:02:07 * rindolf is not new.
19:02:11 <DavidWHodgins> Back
19:02:17 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: welcome back.
19:02:22 <wilcal> Hello David welcome
19:02:26 <swecarp> im not new but nead to learn
19:02:37 <brian> hello everyone
19:03:13 <rindolf> brian___: hello.
19:03:23 <DavidWHodgins> brian___: Having connection problems?
19:03:23 <wilcal> hello brian
19:03:31 <brian___> let's see if this name sticks - added another underscore
19:03:36 <neoser10> I do not see newcommers
19:03:48 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins:  I am playing you tonight, so rest calm.
19:04:00 <wilcal> Then lets get into it
19:04:12 <wilcal> topic Testing Updates
19:04:16 <DavidWHodgins> Testing updates - How we doing?
19:04:16 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates
19:04:27 <neoser10> I want the bind for mga5 32
19:04:40 <wilcal> #Go for it
19:05:02 <DavidWHodgins> We're doing better, but still have a massive backlog.
19:05:25 <wilcal> Hopefully will be shorter next week
19:05:36 <lewyssmith> There are several bugs where the people have said the fault is cleared, but do not OK them.
19:05:39 <wilcal> I've been hung up on just one or two
19:05:49 <DavidWHodgins> bind just needs a test on Mageia 5. I've tested it on both arches on Mageia 4.
19:06:18 <lewyssmith> I have picked at several, sometimes with questions about the results.
19:06:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: There are always new ones being added.
19:06:51 <wilcal> There was the big blast after M5 release
19:07:14 <DavidWHodgins> After a 3 month release freeze, that's to be expected.
19:07:25 <wilcal> we'll get'em down
19:07:46 <lewyssmith> Even what look easy ones baffle me sometimes when I do not understand the complaint.
19:08:02 <wilcal> i just gotta get by the Vbox 5 issue
19:08:13 <brian___> trying to focus on security first for my part.  Ran into the vbox5 fun when testing that and building an entity for more testing
19:08:14 <DavidWHodgins> Post on the qa-discuss mailing list for instructions.
19:08:27 <wilcal> How much more time we got for M4.1?
19:08:35 <brian___> php 5.6.11 - I posted a question on that.
19:09:27 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: September 19th.
19:09:53 <wilcal> 50-days
19:09:56 <wilcal> hmm
19:10:05 <lewyssmith> I think we should go 6 months after the subsequent release.
19:10:12 <brian___> so short time for users to move
19:10:57 <neoser10> And short time to adjust the active release
19:11:02 <lewyssmith> Or even up to next release +1.
19:11:05 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: I tested bind on MGA5-64 - someone said he'll test on MGA5-32 after the meeting.
19:11:16 <neoser10> yes I am
19:11:48 <lewyssmith> What is ICU about?
19:12:00 <DavidWHodgins> With the updates list this long, we are still allowing validating an update even if it's only been tested on one arch.
19:12:27 <wilcal> ok thanks david for explaining that
19:12:37 <lewyssmith> Who makes the decision on a particular bug? Some or more important than others.
19:12:43 <wilcal> we just had an ICU s couple weeks ago
19:12:55 <DavidWHodgins> I won't be updating my primary systems from 4 to 5 till bug 16173 is fixed.
19:12:56 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16173 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , Upgrade option is not being shown, mgaonline-3.10.1-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:13:17 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Claire, me or Bill.
19:13:50 <lewyssmith> In which case there are several that can be validated.
19:14:27 <wilcal> I can quickly go through:
19:14:31 <wilcal> update request: icu new security issue
19:14:32 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487
19:14:33 <[mbot> Bug 16487: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , icu new security issue CVE-2015-4760, icu-53.1-11.1.mga5.src.rpm
19:14:46 <neoser10> roundcubemail and moodle by example
19:14:46 <wilcal> if i test it the same way as I did a couple weeks ago
19:16:31 <DavidWHodgins> The steam update should be validated. The rest still need advisories.
19:16:59 <brian___> I noticed somebody okay'd 64 today
19:17:12 <brian___> I was about to try - but have 64
19:17:27 <lewyssmith> Do another one!
19:17:55 <DavidWHodgins> Note that a 32 bit version can be installed under vb, but keep in mind bug 44
19:17:57 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images
19:18:27 <wilcal> tmb's workaround works
19:18:28 <lewyssmith> You really hate that oen, Dave.
19:18:33 <lewyssmith> one
19:18:47 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. it was the first bug I reported.
19:18:51 <wilcal> but you gotta be in the client and open an su terminal
19:19:36 <DavidWHodgins> The other bug I really was annoyed by was bug 2317
19:19:37 <brian___> so try steam on 32 VM when I get a moment
19:19:37 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, --update option should behave like  --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm
19:19:56 <DavidWHodgins> That one eventually got fixed.
19:21:34 <lewyssmith> I find bug 16426 beyond me; can anyone do it?
19:21:35 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16426 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , libcryptopp new security issue CVE-2015-2141, libcryptopp-5.6.2-4.mga5.src.rpm
19:22:42 <lewyssmith> We are having problems with some bugs not being able to reproduce the declared fault, even with POCs.
19:23:52 <DavidWHodgins> For libcryptopp use "urpmq --whatrequires libcryptopp6" to see which programs use it.
19:24:20 <lewyssmith> The bug says "amule, kodi, and synergy".
19:24:40 <lewyssmith> Does Kodi exist for MGA4?
19:24:48 <DavidWHodgins> It's not unusual to not be able to recreate a bug, as it's often hardware or configuration dependant.
19:25:31 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it.
19:26:01 <lewyssmith> I found amule & synergy 'too much'.
19:26:52 <neoser10> What is the expected behavior without update???
19:27:55 <DavidWHodgins> amule is a bittorrent client. synergy is for using one mouse/keyboard to control multiple computers. They can be vb guests. Check the closed reports on bugzilla for how to test them.
19:28:24 <lewyssmith> Re bug 16401 Herman could not see the very easily defined fault.
19:28:25 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , kdepim new security issue CVE-2014-8878, kdepim4-4.12.5-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:28:59 <lewyssmith> It was that KMail did not encrypt attachments in certain conditions.
19:30:03 <DavidWHodgins> With security updates, we don't always try to test a poc, if the update is critical.
19:30:27 <wilcal> especially for flash :-0
19:30:31 <DavidWHodgins> Just test that basic functions are working with no obvious regressions.
19:30:39 <lewyssmith> But this one should be dead easy if you have the thing set up.
19:30:42 <neoser10> OK
19:31:09 <DavidWHodgins> Thankfully adobe doesn't let us package adobe reader anymore.
19:31:35 <neoser10> Yipiiii
19:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> It was worse than flash for the frequency of security updates.
19:32:09 <lewyssmith> I don't recall that; I would have said vice-versa.
19:32:29 <wilcal> the flash stuff is recent and dramatic
19:32:48 <DavidWHodgins> It was almost always remote code execution, which is one of the worst bugs possible.
19:33:38 <DavidWHodgins> All you had to do was go to a web page that showed a pdf, and poof, your system is taking over.
19:33:52 <lewyssmith> taken?
19:34:33 <DavidWHodgins> Remotely controlled by crackers. (A hacker is a white hat, a cracker is a black hat).
19:35:18 <DavidWHodgins> It annoys me that media call crackers hackers.
19:36:35 <lewyssmith> Bug 16453 is enigmatic: it does not show the defined fault with a given POC, & gives the same erroneous result before & after the update. what does one do?
19:36:36 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16453 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , ghostscript new security issue CVE-2015-3228, ghostscript-9.14-3.mga5.src.rpm
19:36:54 <DavidWHodgins> Back in the early 80's one of my co-workers told me that another programmer called me a hacker. I told her that given who was saying it, I considered it a compliment.
19:38:08 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: If the problem shows up before and after installing the update, add the feedback whiteboard entry, and a comment with the details.
19:38:55 <lewyssmith> The details are in the bug. Confirmed by 2 people.
19:39:19 <DavidWHodgins> Then add the feedback whiteboard entry.
19:40:16 <lewyssmith> What does that do?
19:40:34 <neoser10> QA need the comments for the bug
19:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> It tells the packager it will not be approved by qa until the comments are answered.
19:40:51 <neoser10> packager comments exactly
19:41:17 <lewyssmith> Would not the developer/packager see the bug comments anyway?
19:41:43 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions about updates, or shall we move on?
19:42:03 <wilcal> one
19:42:06 <wilcal> for tmb
19:42:12 <wilcal> u still here tmb
19:42:21 <tmb> yep
19:42:29 <wilcal> where are we at with Vbox
19:43:25 <wilcal> update request: virtualbox 5
19:43:26 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16437
19:43:27 <[mbot> Bug 16437: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , update request: virtualbox 5, virtualbox
19:43:57 <wilcal> I think it's ok for testing M5 but no sound for M4 clients
19:44:31 <wilcal> I'd really like to see Vbox 5 pushed
19:44:46 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: It would be nice to have the same version of vb in cauldron, 5 and 4. The guest additions don't work when running a mageia 5 install under 4, so the screen is limited to 800x600 and no copy/paste between host and guest.
19:45:08 <tmb> wilcal, well, I hven't tested mga4 client...
19:45:14 <wilcal> ok
19:45:31 <wilcal> Brian have you testing a Vbox M4 client yet
19:45:37 <wilcal> confirm no sound
19:45:47 <Luigi12_work> quick roundup: xfsprogs 3.2.4 is out for tmb to update :o) so that should be coming soon, owncloud update coming soon, hplip CVE (only fixed in 3.15.7, so we might have to push that update after all), that's it
19:45:48 <Luigi12_work> gotta go
19:46:01 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:46:01 <wilcal> many thanks luigi
19:46:08 <lewyssmith> Done!
19:46:09 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks David Walser.
19:46:22 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, yeah, I first thought of only pushing in to mga5 as mga4 is soon eol, but I now realize it makes the last months of mga4 painful without it
19:46:56 <wilcal> ya it would
19:47:14 <wilcal> what do you think is wrong there
19:48:05 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Note I will not upgrade my systems from 4 to 5 till bug 16173 is fixed.
19:48:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16173 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , Upgrade option is not being shown, mgaonline-3.10.1-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:48:07 <tmb> wilcal, dont know yet... I will try a mga4 client today
19:49:10 <wilcal> Thank you  a ton tmb. This is almost as painful as testing kernels. Maybe worse
19:49:11 <DavidWHodgins> I know how to do it manually with urpmi, etc, but mgapplet has to show the option without having to edit config files.
19:50:58 <tmb> yeah, that looks weird... I dont recall any specific changes around that...
19:51:10 <neoser10> That bug is only for mga4-64, i see the "A new mageia version...." message every 30 minutes after boot and login into lxde
19:51:19 <neoser10> in mga4-32
19:51:38 <DavidWHodgins> #info updtes expected for xfsprogs 3.2.4, owncloud, and hplip.
19:52:24 <lewyssmith> neoser10: I see the messgae with MGA4 x64.
19:52:54 <DavidWHodgins> On Mageia 4 x86_64 I only started seeing the upgrade message after manually editing the file. On Mageia 4 i586, even with the edit, I don't see it.
19:53:28 <lewyssmith> It does not like you, Dave.
19:53:33 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:53:47 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
19:53:54 <DavidWHodgins> Or doesn't like my decade old i586 system.
19:54:10 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
19:54:20 <wilcal> I got one of dem :-)
19:54:54 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
19:55:00 <brian___> nothing from me
19:55:03 <lewyssmith> I have a couple of naive things if somebody could hang on after the meeting closes. Maria DB & Opera. I could ML them.
19:55:10 <wilcal> I'm done
19:55:30 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I'll stick around.
19:55:39 <wilcal> thanks all
19:55:46 <lewyssmith> Thanks. So no more from me now.
19:55:53 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Countdown time. :-)
19:56:05 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Thanks for chairing again.
19:56:07 <wilcal> You get the honors
19:56:12 <wilcal> No problem
19:56:24 <lewyssmith> -5
19:56:29 <lewyssmith> -4
19:56:33 <lewyssmith> -3
19:56:35 <lewyssmith> -2
19:56:37 <lewyssmith> -1
19:56:39 <lewyssmith> 0
19:57:15 <wilcal> #endmeeting