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19:06:19 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
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19:06:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you're just joining QA come and introduce yourself
19:06:43 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who has not been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:07:52 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it.
19:07:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 - How we/you do'n?
19:08:16 <lewyssmith> Sorry I'm late.
19:08:22 <wilcal> I'm finding a couple little wrinkles but nothing show stopping
19:09:18 <DavidWHodgins> Hi lewyssmith. We're really just getting started.
19:09:25 <wilcal> I've swapped out a lot of hardware and everything seems ok
19:09:26 <lewyssmith> I noticed.
19:09:41 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: What type of wrinkles?
19:10:35 <wilcal> I have one system ( server ) that's on all the time when in the sleep more to goes from blank black screen to one that shows kernel posting
19:10:45 <wilcal> kinda does it in the middle of the night
19:11:06 <lewyssmith> kernel posting?
19:11:06 <wilcal> what's a good log file to look at
19:11:32 <DavidWHodgins> Sounds like the x server is crashing. Check /var/log/syslog/Xorg.0.log
19:11:57 <wilcal> ya I think it's something with x
19:12:19 <wilcal> OK I'll check that log file next time it does it and take a pic of the screen
19:12:24 <wilcal> thanks
19:12:25 <DavidWHodgins> Also check dmesg output to see if there are any hardware related problems.
19:12:46 <wilcal> it's done it on two different platforms
19:13:35 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't mean it can't be hardware related. Heat generated when running cron.daily could affect them.
19:13:43 <wilcal> k
19:14:07 <wilcal> simply press the space bar and the desktop comes back just fine
19:15:21 <wilcal> anyone else see things
19:15:34 <DavidWHodgins> That's strange.
19:16:28 <lewyssmith> I am afraid I have yet to migrate to Mageia 5; other things have been pressing. So cannot comment on it yet.
19:16:35 <wilcal> I've moved all my systems over to M5 and for me they're all working just fine
19:16:53 <lewyssmith> I shall migrate SAP.
19:16:57 <lewyssmith> ASAP.
19:17:07 <wilcal> even a very old system running as a print server
19:17:45 <DavidWHodgins> I'm waiting for bug 16173 to get fixed before I upgrade my main installs.
19:17:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16173 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Upgrade option is not being shown, mgaonline-3.10.1-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:21:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone else have anything about Mageia 5?
19:22:03 <wilcal> Anything from the support forums
19:22:32 <wilcal> Seems pretty quiet
19:22:57 <lewyssmith> What is the public reaction?
19:23:12 <DavidWHodgins> So far, excellent.
19:23:18 <brian__> missed the conversation.
19:23:29 <brian__> fyi - one issue on an install with a two drive system
19:24:43 <lewyssmith> Spill the beans...
19:24:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:25:31 <brian__> sda and sdb.  installing on sdb.  install went fine, then rebooted to grub repair>
19:25:52 <brian__> removed second drive and ran mageia update - cleaned it up
19:26:02 <brian__> tried hacking it, but to be honest too lazy
19:26:09 <brian__> so did hte other
19:26:21 <DavidWHodgins> grub should have been installed to the mbr of sda.
19:26:44 <brian__> well - sda comes and goes as it is removable (star-tech)
19:26:57 <brian__> even in - didn't work so well
19:27:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. That makes it hard.
19:27:26 <lewyssmith> Should you not make sdb the boot device in BIOS, & put Grub there?
19:27:57 <lewyssmith> Sorry, I meant with fdisk.
19:28:27 <stef74> dear all,
19:28:29 <brian__> I like flipping between drives
19:28:53 <stef74> it's possible problem with menu.lst  hd1 => hd0....
19:28:56 <brian__> so like grub on drive booting to
19:29:25 <DavidWHodgins> The grub install expects to be on hd0. The fix is to edit /boot/grub/device.map and label sdb as hd0, and sda as hd1. Also, edit menu.lst and change hd1 to hd0 for all stanzas related to the sdb install.
19:30:06 <brian__> ahhhhhh
19:30:46 <DavidWHodgins> Note that will also have to be done on every kernel upgrade, before rebooting.
19:31:21 <stef74> DavidWHodgins: why modify device.map?  personnaly i modify only the menu.lst and after it's work.
19:31:29 <DavidWHodgins> I have the same problem, on my main system where I've set the bios to default to booting from sdb.
19:32:26 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't tried just editing the device map. I looked at what had been changed in /boot/grub, and assumed it would need to be fixed too.
19:32:31 <brian__> that seems like the issue - David - looking int he wrong places
19:32:49 <brian__> only issue I really came across
19:34:05 <wilcal> My Vbox test drive is now M5 and I've started testing updates on that. Seems pretty solid
19:34:14 <DavidWHodgins> Also, it's not a regression. It's described somewhere in one of the erratas, or the wiki.
19:34:15 <brian__> This of course happened on my main SSD drive as I was retiring Mint Debian
19:34:36 <stef74> monitor-edid don't detect monitor.... in the installer
19:34:40 <wilcal> This laptop got fitted with a ssd and installed M5 and it seems pretty solid
19:35:26 <DavidWHodgins> I tried an ssd drive in a laptop. The system overheated to the point of shutdown within a minute of power up.
19:35:43 <wilcal> wow that's strange
19:35:44 <brian__> hmm - bad device?
19:35:46 <DavidWHodgins> Hence I now have a second ssd card in my main system.
19:36:17 <DavidWHodgins> The laptop wasn't designed to use an ssd drive. They generate a lot more heat than a spinning hard drive.
19:36:20 <wilcal> My video editing ssd drive is now M5
19:36:51 <brian__> little faster wilcal?
19:37:08 <wilcal> Ya pretty dramatic
19:37:11 <DavidWHodgins> I have a uefi install of Mageia 5 on my second ssd card.
19:37:24 <wilcal> IMO M5 is somewhat quicker then M4
19:38:14 <wilcal> just feels quicker
19:38:24 <brian__> it does for me also
19:38:25 <DavidWHodgins> I have a 1TB spinning hard drive, that I only use for bulk storage, and some test installs. For day to day use, I won't go back to a spinning hard drive, as the ssd drive really spoils you.
19:39:20 <brian__> I keep the spinners as they are about $40 for a 1tb now.  That and a friend gave me three healthy ones for shipping
19:39:49 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like we should move on :-)
19:39:51 <DavidWHodgins> Testing updates - Anyone need help?
19:40:39 <brian__> filezilla - I never could get my sftp right on proftpd.  I count it up to my inexperience.
19:40:47 <DavidWHodgins> The list is getting pretty big. http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:40:48 <wilcal> I'm get'n back to look'n at one-a-day anyway
19:40:50 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:41:13 <wilcal> It was really really big but is kinda come'n down
19:41:24 <brian__> I'm learning a lot that's for sure
19:42:35 <lewyssmith> I have to apologise: I have been out of action for over 2 weeks (flu among other things), and will be again this coming week - in Merrie England.
19:42:39 <Luigi12_work> sftp doesn't use proftpd, it uses openssh-server
19:42:49 <wilcal> 16141 wasn't there something we did with wireshark
19:43:05 <brian__> correct but to get sftp set up on proftpd is an adventure
19:43:20 <Luigi12_work> proftpd doesn't do sftp, openssh-server does
19:43:23 <brian__> was trying to test downcasting the security  between filezilla and sftp
19:43:35 <brian__> I'll try that
19:43:38 <Luigi12_work> proftpd just does ftp
19:43:51 <brian__> there are modules
19:44:18 <brian__> and instructions out there for setting up - my bad
19:44:33 <DavidWHodgins> "urpmq -y proftp" will show all of the available modules.
19:44:49 <Luigi12_work> maybe it can do an SSL-encrypted ftp, but that wouldn't be the same as sftp
19:44:53 <brian__> sounds like openssh-server is the best approach
19:44:55 <brian__> will note that
19:45:22 <brian__> fyi sftp module for proftp is in our repositories
19:45:39 <Luigi12_work> oic, so it takes the place of openssh
19:45:59 <Luigi12_work> weird, wonder what the point of that is
19:46:02 <brian__> <shrug> beats me
19:46:19 <brian__> I guess if you like the tool - a way to keep it and for sftp?
19:46:43 <Luigi12_work> then you wouldn't have regular SSH access.  strange use case :o)
19:46:48 <brian__> <still wet behind the ears>  charged blindly ahead
19:46:52 <Luigi12_work> well you could run SSH on another port
19:47:08 <Luigi12_work> heh, proftpd also has a mod_tls for doing SSL/TLS-encrypted FTP like I was saying
19:47:27 <Luigi12_work> it should have a mod_pizza that you can use to order pizzas for delivery
19:47:28 <brian__> bingo
19:47:33 <DavidWHodgins> sftp is supposed to be on port 115
19:47:41 <Luigi12_work> just choose which pizza you want from the list and drag and drop it to your system
19:47:59 <brian__> I saw that for windows -
19:48:13 <brian__> it became a zombie  ;0)
19:48:21 <lewyssmith> Is this to make testing updates more appetizing?
19:48:40 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:48:42 <brian__> sorry got lost in cyberspace lewyssmith
19:49:03 <brian__> there are a whole lot of these tools in the list I have no knowledge of
19:49:18 <wilcal> free pizza with a bug push
19:49:28 <lewyssmith> brian__: A common problem for all of us.
19:49:38 <brian__> lol - wireshark - read some white papers on it, never used it
19:49:52 <brian__> maybe I could test it by hacking my kids packets
19:51:21 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: Being part of qa means learning about packages you otherwise never would have looked at.  Testing an update for redshift-gtk is how I found out about the package, and use it all of the time now.
19:52:02 <brian__> :-)
19:52:25 <brian__> I was serious about hacking the packets
19:53:00 <brian__> but this is challenging
19:53:24 <DavidWHodgins> Any other specific updates people are having trouble with?
19:54:06 <wilcal> Ask that same question next week
19:54:28 <wilcal> we should be well into it by this time next week
19:54:35 <DavidWHodgins> That reminds me. The problem reported for thunderbird is a serious enough regression, I consider it a blocker for that update. As firefox is so intertwined with thunderbird, it's blocked too.
19:54:55 <DavidWHodgins> That's bug 16232
19:54:56 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16232 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Firefox and Thunderbird 38, firefox, thunderbird, nss
19:57:06 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions about updates?
19:57:14 <wilcal> Not from me
19:57:33 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi's Roundup - Weekly security news from our David Walser
19:57:43 <Luigi12_work> well the bug 16232 isn't meant for release
19:57:49 <Luigi12_work> it will be once we update again to 38.1
19:58:08 <Luigi12_work> and that bug is unfortunate, and hopefully they'll fix it in 38.1, but it won't be a blocker, since it was confirmed to be an upstream bug
19:58:14 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully that will fix the Starttls problem.
19:59:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah if they can identify the fix quickly
19:59:23 <Luigi12_work> I had heard 38.1 was supposed to come out this week, but maybe it'll be next week
20:00:23 <DavidWHodgins> Given how popular starttls has become, having it not working would be a blocker, in my opinion.
20:00:50 <DavidWHodgins> We'll have to wait and see if it is confirmed though.
20:00:52 <Luigi12_work> we can't hold up the whole esr38 update another 6 weeks for it
20:02:05 <DavidWHodgins> If the bug is confirmed, I consider it serious enough to warrant waiting. We don't want people losing access to there email.
20:02:23 <Luigi12_work> no they'll just be vulnerable to publicly disclosed critical security issues for 6 weeks instead
20:02:23 <Luigi12_work> no way
20:02:43 <Luigi12_work> if it's a packaging problem, we'll hold it until we fix it, if it's an upstream bug, there's nothing we can do
20:02:52 <Luigi12_work> we could put a warning in the advisory, that's about it
20:03:26 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think most people read the advisories.
20:03:35 <Luigi12_work> there's nothing I can do about that either
20:03:50 <Luigi12_work> that certainly isn't going to sway anything, I don't spend all this time writing them for my own health
20:04:31 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: And your other bad news, David?
20:04:43 <DavidWHodgins> If the bug is not fixed, I'd like to wait a bit and see what other distros are doing. If most seem to be going with 38.1, then ok.
20:05:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah, that's fine, but I'm sure RHEL will have 38.1 out immediately as usual
20:05:32 <Luigi12_work> topic still needs to be changed for the roundup :o)
20:05:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - Weekly security news from our David Walser
20:05:53 <Luigi12_work> bam
20:05:59 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Sorry, forgot the #topic
20:06:04 <Luigi12_work> :o)
20:06:30 <DavidWHodgins> I seem to be forgetting lots of things lately. :-)
20:06:57 <lewyssmith> But not feeding Malone.
20:07:09 <Luigi12_work> ok, so we'll eventually have an update for Qt 5.4.2 (which has some security fixes), KDE Frameworks 5 (whatever the current version is) and Plasma 5 (current version) also with a security fix, but it looks like that's going to take a while.
20:07:13 <DavidWHodgins> He has claws! :-)
20:07:27 <Luigi12_work> Cauldron still isn't done, it's maybe halfway done there
20:07:44 <Luigi12_work> not sure if the KDE team will take care of virtuoso-opensource or if I'll have to do that one
20:08:06 <wilcal> seems mostly file name changing M5 -> M6
20:08:08 <DavidWHodgins> #info Updates expected eventually for Qt 5.4.2, KDE Frameworks 5, and Plasma 5.
20:08:09 <Luigi12_work> still need a packager to update stunnel for mga5
20:08:20 <Luigi12_work> still need a packager to backport some qemu patches
20:08:43 <Luigi12_work> still need a sysadmin to clear qtbase5 out of mga5 core/updates_testing so that I can build the owncloud-client update
20:08:57 <Luigi12_work> polkit 0.113 just came out today, so working on that update right now
20:09:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info still waiting for packager help for stunnel and qemu
20:09:17 <Luigi12_work> webmin needs an update for an XSS issue, but not high on my list of priorities right now
20:09:29 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on freeradius upstream to release their next version with the fix
20:09:34 <DavidWHodgins> #info polkit update soon
20:09:57 <Luigi12_work> x11-server issue that only affects XWayland, so not high on my list of priorities either
20:10:12 <Luigi12_work> issues in ruby-RubyGems, ruby-rack, and ruby-redcarpet, so need packager help there
20:10:14 <DavidWHodgins> #info owncloud-client coming soon.
20:11:00 <DavidWHodgins> #info waiting for upstream release of freeradius
20:11:03 <Luigi12_work> new issues in cups-filters and openssh as well.  I'll take care of cups-filters eventually.  Hoping the openssh maintainer will take care of that one, but we'll see.  CVE for that just got assigned yesterday I think, so it's early yet, nobody's issued an update for it yet.
20:11:27 <DavidWHodgins> #info packager help needed for various ruby packages
20:11:39 <Luigi12_work> that's mostly it
20:11:48 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
20:11:56 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
20:11:56 <wilcal> ooo one more thing
20:12:09 <wilcal> I'm hearing horror stories about a recent Flash issue. Seems only Windows.
20:12:22 <DavidWHodgins> #info updates also expected for cups-filters, and openssh
20:12:38 <wilcal> You hear anything luigi
20:13:25 <wilcal> the bi-weekly flash disaster
20:14:12 <Luigi12_work> http://occupyflash.org/
20:14:13 <[mbot> [ Occupy Flash - The movement to rid the world of the Flash Player plugin ]
20:14:27 <Luigi12_work> that's about all I can say about that
20:15:10 <Luigi12_work> well I did hear the recent emergency Flash update was for something being exploited in the wild
20:15:19 <Luigi12_work> so luckily DavidWHodgins tested that one and we got it pushed quickly
20:15:23 <Luigi12_work> it was the first update for mga5
20:15:30 <DavidWHodgins> According to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about we have the latest one.
20:15:31 <[mbot> [ Adobe - Flash Player ]
20:17:12 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks David Walser
20:17:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic
20:17:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:17:34 <lewyssmith> I shall be away next week, but will try to make the meeting.  Small chance, so apologies for absence in advance.
20:17:48 <brian__> not me - I'll be bugging wilcal as needed
20:17:53 <DavidWHodgins> Ok lewyssmith. Thanks for letting us know.
20:17:54 <wilcal> Not from me. I've got an M5 system cook'n in the back room
20:18:01 <wilcal> anytime brian
20:19:11 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like count down time.
20:19:16 <DavidWHodgins> 5
20:19:18 <wilcal> i'm for that
20:19:21 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:19:24 <wilcal> next week folks
20:19:27 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:19:31 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:19:34 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:19:35 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone, the chosen few.
20:19:43 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting