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19:03:57 <DavidWHodgins> Welcome everyone to a joint qa and council team meeting. Bill has said he will not be here, and I don't expect Claire either, so we have a couple of people missing.
19:04:10 <lewyssmith> Important people...
19:04:11 <DavidWHodgins> #chair ennael tmb
19:04:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins ennael tmb
19:04:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you're just joining QA come and introduce yourself
19:04:23 <lewyssmith> clever!
19:05:03 <DavidWHodgins> As always, first topic is whether or not there is anyone here that has not been to a qa irc meeting before.
19:05:44 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it, so moving on
19:05:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 - Go or NoGO.
19:06:05 <rindolf> I say "Go".
19:06:07 <DavidWHodgins> What does everyone think? I think go.
19:06:08 <Akien> #link https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5final
19:06:09 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:06:37 <lewyssmith> Me too; and most people who have already experessed an opinion on the ML say the same.
19:06:39 <brian__> based on my experience with the equipment I have - go
19:06:56 <neoser10> I think about the Oh no thing in Gnome i586 is missing packages, the recently installed MGA5 full desktops is working well
19:07:09 <neoser10> and this is a GO
19:07:39 <lebarhon> I made two new install this evening, everything is Ok - GO
19:07:48 <DavidWHodgins> The only release blocker bugs are bug 16032 and bug 15734, which I think should have their priority lowered.
19:07:50 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16032 critical, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , GDM timing race issue on LiveDVDs occasionally ends up with a fail whale
19:07:51 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15734 critical, release_blocker, tmb, NEW , Booting laptop+nVIDIA Optimus from Live DVD (KDE or GNOME) ends with blank screen (X server fails to start)
19:07:57 <lewyssmith> "Oh No" only happens in certain cases, and can often be by-passed.
19:08:04 <ennael> using mga5 since 2 months now it's working perfectly here
19:08:21 <ennael> tested dual and added comment in pad no issue on vbox
19:08:23 <Akien> Using mga5 since 16 months now :-D
19:08:24 <Luigi12_work> reproduced the booting problem on another machine :o(
19:08:30 <Akien> "Go" for me too
19:08:45 <marja> Luigi12_work: which booting problem?
19:08:47 <brian__> Luigi is the only scare I have
19:08:51 <DavidWHodgins> Does anyone object to go?
19:09:00 <ennael> tmb: ?
19:09:02 <Luigi12_work> installed kernel-server-3.19.8-3 update and it won' boot
19:09:16 <Luigi12_work> 3.19.8-2 still boots
19:09:27 <Luigi12_work> GRUB doesn't appear to even load the new one
19:09:30 <Luigi12_work> not sure why
19:09:36 <lewyssmith> What do the ISOs have?
19:10:03 <Luigi12_work> I have the same kernel running on another machine with the same hardware, so don't think it's strictly a kernel issue
19:10:04 <Akien> lewyssmith: The latest I believe
19:10:14 <brian__> mine is Linux localhost 3.19.8-desktop586-3.mga5
19:10:22 <lewyssmith> -2 or -3 ?
19:10:40 <ennael> using -3 also here
19:10:43 <tmb> Luigi12_work, missing initrd ?
19:10:56 * rindolf is using -2
19:11:07 <rindolf> is -3 in updates_testing?
19:11:07 <Luigi12_work> tmb: no there's an initrd there
19:11:08 <Akien> Ah I'm on -2 too actually
19:11:15 <ennael> -3 is in isos btw
19:11:28 <Akien> We don't get new packages from Core Release?
19:11:34 <lewyssmith> ennael: And they have all been run.
19:11:49 <tmb> Akien, only with urpmi, not mageiaupdate
19:11:52 <marja> Luigi12_work: do you have more than one Mageia 5 on that machine?
19:11:58 <Akien> tmb: Ah ok, that explains it
19:12:05 <Luigi12_work> marja: no, just Windows 7 and Mageia 5
19:12:46 <marja> Luigi12_work: ok.... and you use grub, never grub2
19:13:18 <Luigi12_work> GRUB2 doens't see Windows, so no go
19:13:38 <tmb> Luigi12_work, thats a feature :)
19:13:51 <ennael> :)
19:13:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:14:00 <brian__> sound like another round
19:14:12 <marja> Luigi12_work: weird, grub2 never has a problem with seeing windows here (unless maybe on first boot, but then running update-grub2 fixes it)
19:14:34 <neoser10> thats sounds a os probeer problem
19:14:47 <DavidWHodgins> If there is a workaround, it will not be a release blocker.
19:14:52 <tjandrews> ello, everybody.
19:14:54 <marja> and "maybe" is a real maybe (I have some fake windows partitions)
19:15:25 <DavidWHodgins> Hi tjandrews
19:15:28 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Welcome. Rain?
19:15:29 <tjandrews> Decided it was a good time to take a break
19:15:54 <DavidWHodgins> Been raining here most of the week too.
19:16:05 <tjandrews> Needed to hydrate, and other bodily functions.
19:16:14 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:16:43 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, so again, is anyone against releasing with the current iso images?
19:16:44 <tmb> yeah, the trouble of "fixing small remaining bug" in installer has shown to break something else in the process every time, so I think we dont want to fix anything installer related anymore at this point...
19:17:10 <ennael> I agree with this
19:17:14 * marja agrees with tmb ...... perfect doesn't exist
19:17:18 <neoser10> +1
19:17:32 <ennael> we may release 5.1 iso later if needed as an updtae in some months
19:17:43 <Akien> Yep, let's fix those bugs after the release so that we don't have to do it as the last minute for mga6 :)
19:17:44 <DavidWHodgins> So let's go with release!
19:17:53 <Luigi12_work> yeah for the most part mga5 is great, had a student using it for the last week and a half, I've ironed out the issues I've found
19:17:55 <tmb> And comparing to the rushed mga4, mg5 will be a quality release
19:18:04 <marja> :-)
19:18:07 <Luigi12_work> just ran into this non-booting problem, not sure WTF is causing it
19:18:07 <hviaene> Applaus
19:18:11 <ennael> ok so please answer OK / NOOK all please
19:18:13 <ennael> OK
19:18:16 <marja> OK
19:18:16 <Akien> OK
19:18:18 <tmb> OK
19:18:19 <lewyssmith> We are of one mind: topic agreed GO.
19:18:19 <neoser10> OK
19:18:20 <Luigi12_work> OK
19:18:20 <hviaene> OK
19:18:21 <tjandrews> OK
19:18:22 <brian__> ok
19:18:23 <DavidWHodgins> OK
19:18:30 <david_david> OK
19:18:40 <marja> lebarhon: ?
19:18:51 <lebarhon> OK
19:19:01 <marja> leuhmanu: ?
19:19:06 <DavidWHodgins> It's been a long delay in release, and the qa team really needs a break. :-)
19:19:08 <marja> Stormi_: ?
19:19:12 <Luigi12_work> indeed
19:19:14 <ennael> all people from council ML including MrsB|away  and Schultz
19:19:29 <rindolf> OK
19:19:44 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB|away: is away, so don't expect an answer from her.
19:19:45 <tmb> so ... when do we release... is web-team ready... ? and note we need to start mirroring several hours before we publish websites, preferably 1 day before...
19:19:50 <Akien> I guess it's a unanimous OK then
19:20:06 <bunk_home> sup
19:20:07 <tmb> MrsB|away, noted OK for release on qa ml
19:20:13 <tjandrews> Mrs B did say OK in an email.
19:20:17 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: she said yes on ML
19:20:21 <ennael> :)
19:20:27 <lewyssmith> Akien: You seemm subdued.
19:20:33 <ennael> ok guys so we can cnclude mg5 is out!
19:20:36 <david_david> papoteur: ?
19:20:38 <Akien> Yeah I'll be working full time on the blog announcement now, should be ready and ironed out in 24h
19:21:11 <Akien> And the web team will go in berserk mode too I guess, knowing that the release depends on them :)
19:21:16 <DavidWHodgins> Good tmb ennael go for it. Just make sure the api file is updated so people don't start getting cauldron updates when it reopens.
19:21:23 <tmb> ok , so I push mirrors and torrents tonight and we go public tomorrows ?
19:21:38 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Sounds good
19:21:46 <rindolf> tmb: thanks!
19:21:46 <tjandrews> Oh, good! I can now attend and crew at our hot air balloon festival next week with a clear conscience...
19:21:55 <Akien> filip_, leuhmanu: Do you think you'll be ready for the website tomorrow evening? (at least ready for the release, we can still polish things up afterwards)
19:21:59 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:22:08 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, api has been pointing on mga5 since RC as I have a symlink from 5 to cauldron on mirrors ...
19:22:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Good
19:22:25 <Akien> Time to cp cauldron to 5 then :)
19:22:53 <Akien> Ah no sorry, it's the other way around :)
19:23:03 <Akien> 5 is already good IIUC.
19:23:30 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we move on to the next topic, as it seems we have all agreed to go ahead and push the Mageia 5 release?
19:23:34 <tmb> yep, I'll mail mirror-announce and start the mirror branching tonight
19:23:50 <marja> tmb: thx :-)
19:23:53 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: go ahead.
19:24:07 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - Weekly security news from our David Walser
19:24:21 <Luigi12_work> hmm, I think GRUB has a 1TB limit and that's what's causing my problem
19:24:47 <Luigi12_work> ok roundup in a minute, BRB
19:25:09 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. That makes sense. I always create a small /boot partition near the beginning of the drive.
19:25:25 <DavidWHodgins> Old habits die hard.
19:25:49 <Luigi12_work> yeah I do too in manual, I used automatic partitioning...it should have caught that
19:25:51 <Luigi12_work> oh well
19:26:15 <Luigi12_work> ok we have a flash-player update as you probably saw, will have to get that built for mga5 once SVN is branched
19:26:31 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on upstream to release owncloud-client 1.8.3, it's in RC2 status now
19:26:40 <Luigi12_work> so hopefully we'll have that update next week
19:26:49 <tjandrews> None of my partitions are anywhere near that. My biggest internal drive is 500MB.
19:27:04 <Luigi12_work> I got a possible fix for the libvpx security issue, so I'll push that to QA once mga5 is open
19:27:06 <brian__> on 1.5 TB here
19:27:26 <bunk_home> 40 GB lol
19:27:41 <DavidWHodgins> I have a 1TB hard drive, and 2 256GB ssd drives in my main system
19:28:00 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on some more fixes for qemu..it'd be nice if we had a real maintainer so I didn't have to do everything
19:28:17 <Luigi12_work> need some upstream patches backported since Fedora seems to be ignoring some of the security issues
19:28:39 <Luigi12_work> david_david will have a filezilla update for us once mga5 opens
19:29:00 <Luigi12_work> I have fixes for p7zip, libwmf, curl, and wireshark checked in, also waiting to be able to commit in mga5
19:29:01 <david_david> yeah :)
19:29:05 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: ennael Please post messages to the devel mailing list reminding them that packages will be dropped if not maintaned.
19:29:19 <Luigi12_work> I dunno if we can drop qemu though
19:29:30 <Luigi12_work> but yeah I'll probably keep finding more things to drop for mga6
19:29:39 <Luigi12_work> there's a security issue in polkit, patch pending upstream
19:29:41 <ennael> we will relaunch packagers meeting and restart all this
19:29:51 <DavidWHodgins> If no developer is willing to maintane it we should, in my opinion.
19:30:06 <ennael> you can hardly drop qemu
19:30:15 <ennael> I can try to ask pterjan to look at it
19:30:21 <ennael> he was maintaining it in mdv
19:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> I hate testing that package, as it's so slow compared to virtualbox.
19:31:05 <Luigi12_work> I'm still waiting for upstream to fix an issue in libtiff that I found (using a PoC for a differnet issue)
19:31:30 <tjandrews> Gotta go, guys, before my brother threatens to fire me.
19:31:33 <Luigi12_work> also a reminder that once mga5 opens, the KDE team will be updating Qt5, KF5, Plasma 5, and virtuoso-opensource
19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Have a good night
19:31:57 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Goodbyre.
19:31:59 <tjandrews> But it would be OK if he did. I'd just hire myself back again.
19:32:04 <Luigi12_work> probably have a stunnel update shortly after mga5 opens too
19:32:24 <DavidWHodgins> So we'll get hit with a large number of updates shortly after release.
19:32:41 <Stormi> Go
19:32:44 <Stormi> (yeah I'm late)
19:32:52 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:32:56 <marja> :-)
19:32:58 <Luigi12_work> yep, I'm done
19:33:01 <DavidWHodgins> Not a problem
19:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks David
19:33:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:33:23 <neoser10> I have to ask: madb have QA assigned packages without testing and or with OK
19:33:27 <brian__> @Luigi - question.  The keychain issue in MAc/IOS.
19:33:33 <brian__> think that'll come to Linux?
19:33:57 <Luigi12_work> what issue?
19:34:06 <Stormi> neoser10: what's the question?
19:34:20 <brian__> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/serious-os-x-and-ios-flaws-let-hackers-steal-keychain-1password-contents/
19:34:22 <[mbot> [ Serious OS X and iOS flaws let hackers steal keychain, 1Password contents | Ars Technica ]
19:34:34 <neoser10> the madb have QA assigned packs without OK or without testing
19:34:46 <Luigi12_work> that's because they need to be tested
19:35:26 <DavidWHodgins> neoser10: Packages newly assigned to qa will not have any ok in them. Once the update is validated, the advisory still has to be added to svn before the package can be pushed.
19:35:27 <Luigi12_work> brian__: that's specific to OS X and its sandboxing feature
19:35:32 <neoser10> or tested but without OK
19:35:54 <Luigi12_work> sometimes people forget to add the OK, sometimes they aren't confident it's been fully tested yet
19:36:08 <neoser10> example the draknet
19:36:14 <brian__> ok - keychain had me concerne
19:36:35 <neoser10> is old.... and we have not a user with cyrilic to review a patch
19:36:35 <DavidWHodgins> Some packages, like the kernel, we want tested on as many systems as possible, before adding the ok.
19:37:11 <Stormi> neoser10: some updates might be old because everybody was busy testing ISOs
19:37:20 <Stormi> now QA team will have to focus on them indeed
19:37:22 <DavidWHodgins> That's true.
19:38:02 <neoser10> That is good then i will install MGA updates testing again
19:38:07 <DavidWHodgins> While my testing has been very limited, due to health problems, I've only been testing iso images, not updates.
19:38:34 <hviaene> neoser10 : didn't yoou see the notr (from Thierry??) that this fontd problem hzs nothing to do with draknet
19:38:46 <hviaene> As far as I understand
19:39:23 <neoser10> hviaene: yes, but as MrsB said, is all about networking
19:39:38 <neoser10> and about drakNFS and draksambashares
19:39:42 <Luigi12_work> don't install everything from updates_testing
19:39:47 <Luigi12_work> there's a bunch of stuff in there not assigned to QA
19:39:52 <Luigi12_work> some of it needs to be deleted
19:39:59 <neoser10> Only the QA assigned
19:40:00 <lewyssmith> neoser10: See https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13354
19:40:02 <[mbot> Bug 13354: normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, draknfs doesn't like utf-8 (gtk3 regression ?), drakx-net
19:40:33 <Akien> rebooting to test -3 kernel
19:41:01 <lewyssmith> neoser10: Vladimir's comments.
19:41:20 <DavidWHodgins> If you do unstall everything, be prepared to run urpmi with the downgrade option.
19:41:49 <neoser10> lewyssmith: that is new for me... thanks
19:41:59 <DavidWHodgins> Argh! Typo time again. s /unstall/install/
19:42:34 <lewyssmith> neoser10: Also https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16081
19:42:35 <[mbot> Bug 16081: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [Update Candidate] drakx-net-2.22-1.mga4, drakx-net-2.22-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:42:54 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Anyone have anything else, or should I start the countdown to end the meeting?
19:43:04 <brian__> 5
19:43:08 <Luigi12_work> peace out
19:43:10 <marja> Akien: so it boots fine for you, too :-)
19:43:10 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:43:12 <DavidWHodgins> 5
19:43:16 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:43:18 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's not a kernel issue
19:43:18 <Akien> marja: yep :)
19:43:20 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:43:22 <Luigi12_work> think it's a 1 TB limit issue
19:43:25 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:43:25 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:43:29 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:43:34 <marja> lewyssmith: good night
19:43:34 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting