19:07:49 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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19:08:17 <MrsB> Morning everybody, welcome to a slightly unusual QA team meeting
19:08:30 <MrsB> Who's going to be Dave?
19:08:41 <lewyssmith> I will be if guessing suffices.
19:08:57 <MrsB> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
19:08:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
19:09:00 <MrsB> done :)
19:09:20 <lewyssmith> #topic Anyone new?
19:09:31 <MrsB> thanks Dave \o/
19:09:49 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:09:59 <neoser10> I am the newbie.....
19:10:13 <MrsB> neoser10: welcome to the QA team :)
19:10:14 <lewyssmith> Welcome.
19:10:21 <neoser10> I tested kernel updates for mga4
19:10:46 <neoser10> and i searching the fifo underrun in intel graphics drivers
19:10:56 <neoser10> thanks to all
19:11:01 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself neoser10 then and everybody else will do the same..
19:11:15 <rindolf> neoser10: welcome aboard.
19:11:56 <MrsB> I'm Claire, team leader. Been with the team since it started. 35-ish and based in the Black Country, UK
19:11:59 <neoser10> My name is Mauricio Andres Bustamante Viveros, I am from Colomia, i was that human that said i will be there and get stuck with the internet last meeting
19:12:19 <brian__> welcome!
19:12:20 <Kernewes> Carolyn in Cornwall, UK, older than MrsB, occasional helper
19:12:47 <brian__> Brian in Illinois, USA
19:12:59 <brian__> I'm new too
19:13:05 <wilcal> Super elegant name nice
19:13:08 <hviaene> Herman Viaene in Belgium, rather irregular tester
19:13:22 <MrsB> you're not new any more brian__
19:13:26 <lewyssmith> neoser10: Do you have a 'mentor'? Someone to steer you at the beginning.
19:13:45 <brian__> yes Wilcal - but I largely ignore him ;-)
19:14:03 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:14:06 <neoser10> no, i do not have mentor,
19:14:14 <wilcal> brian's do'n great
19:14:16 <lewyssmith> BTW I am Lewis, a Celt living in France. Noted for being prickly.
19:14:22 <MrsB> lol
19:14:36 <MrsB> Our top mentor though
19:14:53 <MrsB> What is your timezone roughly neoser10?
19:15:21 <lewyssmith> (It does not matter for mentoring].
19:16:01 <MrsB> I guess, what time is it now where you are is easier to ask
19:17:01 <MrsB> I have Len (tarazed) on and off so can be mentor if you like?
19:18:13 <MrsB> Ok, decided. I'll be your mentor neoser10_
19:18:13 <neoser10_> i am sorry but the wifi go out
19:18:28 <rindolf> I am Shlomi Fish, from Tel Aviv, Israel.
19:18:57 <MrsB> I'll email you with soem information neoser10_
19:19:10 <neoser10_> thanks to all
19:19:26 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:19:38 <neoser10_> let´s move
19:19:42 <lewyssmith> #topic Final
19:19:50 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:20:03 <MrsB> Sooo this is the main event
19:20:19 <MrsB> They seem to be pretty good
19:20:23 <wilcal> I've installed all three CI's without any major hitch
19:20:33 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5final Pad link
19:20:35 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
19:20:46 <wilcal> I have yet to install Vbox on the x86_64 install but I'll do that after this meeting
19:20:50 <Kernewes> I haven't had a chance to look at them yet, shall I just wait for round 2 now?
19:21:09 <wilcal> All the Live media came up and ran for me in Vbox. I did no installs there
19:21:14 <MrsB> No, they're only a day old Kernewes
19:21:23 <Kernewes> OK
19:21:35 <lewyssmith> But the Classic is scarcely changed from RC.
19:21:47 <MrsB> TJ had an issue with a Live iso
19:21:49 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15875
19:21:50 <[mbot> Bug 15875: critical, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , Installation fails if "unused" packages are removed, draklive-install
19:21:59 <MrsB> removing needed packages by the sound of it
19:22:11 <brian__> I did run into an issue with latest gnome on vbox and physical hardware
19:22:16 <brian__> sorry in another meeting also
19:22:32 <lewyssmith> I always take that option. No time to try yet fro Final.
19:22:33 <brian__> livecd iso
19:22:51 <brian__> livedvd iso for gnome too
19:23:05 <lewyssmith> What issue?
19:23:21 <MrsB> Brian_: install on vbox is resetting after it partitioning and get question.  I wonder if my images are corrupt.  Tried both LiveCD and LiveDVD getting same message.
19:23:40 <brian__> the Ops when trying to start live session
19:23:51 <Akien> I'm not 100% sure about TJ's issue, it does sound like the install _broke_ after he chose to uninstall unneeded packages
19:23:51 <lewyssmith> Ops?
19:24:01 <brian__> getting restart of install once it gets past partitioning
19:24:09 <brian__> never finishes
19:24:10 <Akien> That's a bit strange because it should break the installed system, but not the installation process
19:24:51 <brian__> I checked MD5's that match
19:25:41 <MrsB> Can you create a bug report for it brian__ please and add journal.txt from "journalctl -a > /home/live/journal.txt && chown live /home/live/journal.txt" run as root when the problem occurs in the live system
19:26:11 <lewyssmith> I hope to try the Gnome Live DVD tomorrow on real hardware; have it already 'burned'.
19:26:20 <brian__> ok - I'll try.  It gets the something went wrong and then a black screen
19:26:25 <tmb> Akien, well, if it for some reason unloads the in-use gpu driver it will kill the install
19:27:11 <brian__> no OS on the VM at that point.  how do I hack the journal file out of that?
19:27:28 <MrsB> brian__: if you need help debugging or getting the logs you can always come here or email qa-discuss or wilcal, or me
19:27:28 <Akien> tmb: True
19:27:46 <brian__> sure - will do
19:28:36 <MrsB> Anything else we need to mention at this point?
19:29:29 <wilcal> I'm pretty happy with M5 at this point
19:29:49 <neoser10_> The public RC is good
19:29:50 <hviaene> Do we need to test upgfrading fr om M4 to M5?
19:29:57 <Akien> Yep
19:30:04 <hviaene> Shit
19:30:10 <wilcal> I'll run upgrade testing this weekend
19:30:13 <neoser10_> i am doing that with updates and without updates
19:30:25 <Akien> neoser10_: Good idea
19:30:44 <wilcal> I run the upgrades against the CI's
19:30:53 <neoser10_> in this moment I do not have problems
19:30:57 <Akien> Theoretically we only "support" upgrading from an up-to-date Mageia 4, but if we can make sure that it upgrades fine from a pristine Mageia 4, that's even better
19:31:01 <brian__> overall my experience with upgrade from m4 to m5 is good
19:31:14 <brian__> ;-)  with patches
19:31:18 <MrsB> #info We need to test all kinds of upgrades from mga4 to mga5 too. Using DVD, DVD with online medias added, using the applet (mgaapplet), with all sorts of mga4 installs and desktops https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_testing_upgrades
19:31:32 <neoser10_> Now remember that the only update in MGA4 was kernel desktop lastest
19:32:44 <MrsB> tmb: anything to add?
19:32:48 <MrsB> ennael: ?
19:33:28 <tmb> nope, nothing comes to mind right now
19:33:52 <MrsB> Anybody want to say anything before we move on?
19:34:04 <neoser10_> about the text install from the grub graphics....
19:34:09 <wilcal> not from me just need a few  days with it
19:34:27 <brian__> ditto - classic installs seem peaceful
19:34:52 <MrsB> neoser10_: yes..
19:35:05 <neoser10_> i think not passing boot parameters because i have twin automatic methods cdrom in command line
19:35:18 <Akien> Looks like we have mostly hardware issues left, which is relatively good (even though it's harder to debug)
19:35:27 <Akien> The installer in itself is in pretty good shape :)
19:36:07 <MrsB> Could you create a bug report please neoser10_ and make a note on the pad about it
19:36:08 <lewyssmith> OK to advance?
19:36:49 <neoser10_> bug report already.... is not mine... and OK to advance
19:37:06 <lewyssmith> #topic Updates
19:37:07 <MrsB> can you make a ntoe on the pad please though
19:37:27 <lewyssmith> [Sorry Claire]
19:37:38 <MrsB> Thanks Dave, we were skipping this one this week
19:37:44 <MrsB> let's go to...
19:37:51 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:38:02 <hviaene> Did Brian answer, I got disconnected
19:38:23 <MrsB> #info David is at a track meet this week, and the next two weeks, so has emailed the roundup to the list instead.
19:38:41 <brian__> @hviaene - answer which?
19:38:53 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have yet to see that.
19:39:26 <MrsB> check your spam folder lewis, yahoo mail is causing problems for some people
19:39:27 <hviaene> If you would trust upgrading your production machine
19:39:39 <brian__> yes
19:39:48 <brian__> already did
19:39:58 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Yet to *look*; I only got in just before the meeting.
19:40:04 <MrsB> ohh right :D
19:40:12 <hviaene> angel
19:40:30 <MrsB> sooo that only leave..
19:40:40 <lewyssmith> # anything else
19:40:47 <MrsB> no cigar
19:40:58 <wilcal> not from me
19:41:09 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:41:20 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:41:23 <Kernewes> not here
19:41:29 <lewyssmith> Quickie re Final...
19:42:10 <brian__> I'll update risepad as progressing.
19:42:28 <lewyssmith> The Classic was almost unchanged, but the first Lives had many changes. Should the Classic 'catch up'?
19:42:33 <brian__> any trick to forcing a resync without downloading whole object?
19:42:56 <MrsB> The classic had all the same changes but Thomas was able to give a better list
19:43:02 <Akien> lewyssmith: Both have the same changes, it's just that tmb is better at making a changelog :p
19:43:05 <tmb> lewyssmith, as I noted in my list. those also affecte classic ones
19:43:38 <MrsB> brian__: rsync does that, it's why we use it. Which tool are you using?
19:44:00 <brian__> that one and it did.  I'll just rename the gnome livecd and see if a full download fixes my issue
19:44:27 <MrsB> you shouldn't need to download again
19:44:34 <Akien> brian__: If the md5sum is good, you don't have to redownload
19:44:41 <brian__> ok - they matched
19:45:16 <brian__> I'll wait for a gift from tmb then
19:45:29 <brian__> <smile>  I have nothing else
19:45:35 <MrsB> check the contents of DATE.txt to know it's current
19:46:00 <brian__> Wed May  6 12:00:00 CEST 2015
19:46:08 <MrsB> yeah that's latest lives
19:46:47 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:47:02 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:47:19 <wilcal> not from me
19:47:47 <hviaene> no
19:47:50 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then everybody. Please concentrate on the ISOs now, we're doing OK with updates for the time being :)
19:47:56 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
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19:48:13 <MrsB> #endmeeting