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19:04:32 <DavidWHodgins> He's sound asleep.
19:04:35 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another one
19:04:55 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:04:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:05:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are, then come and introduce yourself
19:05:25 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:05:29 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Hello TJ.
19:05:45 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:06:07 <tjandrews> Hello. I'm not as new as I was last week.
19:06:19 <MrsB> yeah you're battle scarred now
19:06:33 <lewyssmith> [Somebody said on the ML that they would be here].
19:06:36 <tjandrews> You don't know the half of it...
19:07:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - stiiill testing isos!
19:07:07 <MrsB> We can keep an eye open and do introductions later if they come
19:07:23 <DavidWHodgins> No changes here, in mentoring status
19:07:26 <MrsB> So guys, how's the mentoring?
19:07:40 <MrsB> it's still a bit difficult isn't it
19:07:52 <wilcal> My guys are contributing here and there
19:07:59 <wilcal> iso overload
19:08:03 <DavidWHodgins> Should get easier once rc is out
19:08:07 <MrsB> everybody seems to have the hang of testing ISOs now though which is one good thing :)
19:08:07 <brian__> I'm a lowsy student but Bill tolerates me
19:08:31 <wilcal> your do'n Great
19:08:38 <MrsB> let's skip past this bit then
19:08:42 <tjandrews> Using the 64-bit RC right now, as installed from the Classical DVD. Seems to be working just fine with my barely-64-bit Sempron.
19:09:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 RC - what's left to do?
19:09:18 <MrsB> morning tmb ennael
19:09:33 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I confirmed the Gnome Live x64 problem.
19:09:46 <MrsB> big hammer has gone?
19:10:14 <lewyssmith> i.e. seizure after user configuration, need to manually re-boot, then OK.
19:10:56 <Akien> lewyssmith: I got this once (yesterday), and today I did not have it anymore...
19:11:01 <Akien> Need to do more testing
19:11:01 <MrsB> that's precisely where the big hammer should be, after use config it should display a little window saying it needs to reboot for the changes to take effect
19:11:19 <tmb> and the code is still there :/
19:11:24 <lewyssmith> I have seen this, but not with the latest build.
19:11:43 <MrsB> maybe crashing before it get's that far then tmb
19:11:57 <lewyssmith> No, virtual consoles work.
19:12:17 <MrsB> X crash i mean
19:12:22 <lewyssmith> See the PAd and mailList.
19:12:45 <MrsB> ATI GPU
19:13:27 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:13:33 <lewyssmith> I am just burning the Classic DVD to try the Mate taskbar issue - tomorrow.
19:13:41 <MrsB> thanks
19:13:49 <MrsB> dvd 32 if possible
19:13:53 <Akien> lewyssmith: Testing it right now too
19:14:07 <lewyssmith> MrsB: x64 only.
19:14:09 <Akien> I couldn't reproduce with dvd 64 nor gnome liveDVD 64, so I try dvd 32
19:14:29 <brian__> testing livecd KDE 20/4/2015 - seems very stable
19:14:32 <MrsB> I haven't installed it again to confirm but it survived a few reboots
19:14:52 <wilcal> Are all our problems with Gnome? Seems KDE works very well for me.
19:15:03 <lewyssmith> It was alwys thus, Bill.
19:15:09 <tjandrews> Looks good here.
19:15:12 <MrsB> The LXDE shutdown issue has spread to MATE too
19:15:17 <tmb> MrsB, well, the code is executed as last part of finish-install before we hand over to X server, but I guess we are not blocking...
19:15:34 <lewyssmith> MrsB: What is that?
19:15:35 <Akien> MrsB: Just finished my MATE install, DVD 32bit, no problem
19:15:57 <Akien> Default parameters, no online media, no updates
19:15:59 <MrsB> long delay/permanent hang at shutdown/reboot
19:16:05 <wilcal> Seems to me that KDE is in releaseable format right now. I put a lot of time into it. Noted in PAD
19:16:33 <brian__> any particular you'd like me to try?
19:16:59 <MrsB> live gnome or dvd 32 please brian__
19:17:06 <brian__> will do
19:17:12 <MrsB> s/or/and/ :)
19:17:14 <wilcal> Anything Gnome I think brian_
19:17:37 <brian__> ok - sadly agreed with Linus on gnome
19:17:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:18:12 <MrsB> I've started to think it's not so bad, when it behaves that is
19:18:58 <DavidWHodgins> brb
19:19:22 <lewyssmith> On the bright side, some old issues are sorted, like WiFi, Raid.
19:19:32 <brian__> yes - appreciated it on dualdvd
19:20:05 <MrsB> yes, we've cleared alot of old issues
19:20:26 <MrsB> created some new ones :)
19:21:02 <MrsB> apart from what we've already said, is there anything that you're aware of that would prevent us releasing the RC?
19:21:22 <lewyssmith> Most reports now are good.
19:21:38 <tjandrews> MrsB, are you still seeing distorted video with the Dual DVD?
19:21:44 <wilcal> aside from the Gnome stuff I think the RC is ready for release
19:22:00 <MrsB> yes, 64bit installer
19:22:19 <MrsB> Ben commented something on the pad, I've emailed him about creating a bug report..
19:22:22 <MrsB> Benmc: bootloader determines that a /swap on a second HDD is a / partition and lists it in grub boot options
19:22:47 <lewyssmith> Original!
19:23:05 <tjandrews> Not seeing it here. Tried several times.
19:23:23 <MrsB> i think it's HW dependent tjandrews
19:23:37 <lewyssmith> Ben has done a lot of good testing, with a load of problems.
19:23:37 <brian__> dualdvd was good with me
19:24:02 <MrsB> yeah he's doing well
19:24:33 <MrsB> The lengthy testing period has been good in some ways
19:24:58 <Akien> Well IMO Mageia 5 will be our least bugged release :)
19:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> back
19:25:11 <lewyssmith> It has drawn in a wide range of people & systems.
19:25:27 <DavidWHodgins> In my opinion, the RC is ok to release
19:25:30 <wilcal> IMO in the KDE mode M5 looks really really solid
19:25:34 <MrsB> So anyway. I was hoping we could make a go/no-go decision today, but it's going to depend mostly on what tmb/ennael want to do next
19:25:47 <brian__> I'm please with it.  Running Mate on an ancient sempron downstairs, KDE here, and XFCE when doing dual.
19:26:12 <lewyssmith> Gnome is better than viewed. The re-boot issue can be documented.
19:26:46 <tmb> I'd say errata for known problems for now an get it out in the wild... we need broad tests of all stuff we have done so far
19:26:46 <MrsB> we always find HW issues, and can expect to do so whatever we do. We've had alot of good testing and uncovered perhaps more of those HW issues pre-release than we have done previously
19:27:02 <Akien> I think we are almost ready to release, we just need to better identify the current issues with GNOME live CD/DVDs, and check MrsB's issue with LXDE, MATE, lightdm, etc.
19:27:03 <lewyssmith> tmb: Agree.
19:27:30 <Akien> Once identified, we can put them on the errata and release.
19:28:02 <tmb> as there will be more bugreports with RC out there will be more fixes to test... but the huge amount of work already done needs to get out :)
19:28:04 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. This is the RC, not the final.
19:28:05 <brian__> ok - so I'll try the GNOME LIVECD and then classic mate and see how it goes
19:28:42 <wilcal> Probably be a couple off RC's in the wild
19:28:55 <lewyssmith> brian__: I will try Classic tomorrow, Mate especially.
19:29:19 <MrsB> I think, as long as the known issues are well/obviously documented, so people will see we know about them and intend to fix them for final, we could release. Shall we lalow one more day for the final tests (mate/gnome) ?
19:29:48 <Akien> Sounds good, as I need to write the release blog post /o\
19:29:57 <wilcal> Sounds good to me
19:30:02 <brian__> agrred
19:30:22 <MrsB> focus on EFI/raid integration for RC Akien
19:30:42 <MrsB> and isodumper
19:30:51 <Akien> Yeah, plus general bug fixes in the installer, Gtk and co
19:30:52 <tjandrews> OK by me. (He says, not knowing if he has a vote)
19:30:59 <Akien> tjandrews: Everyone has :)
19:31:08 <lewyssmith> How will Joe Public get IsoDumper?
19:31:17 <MrsB> it's available in mga4
19:31:24 <wilcal> It's in the Repo
19:31:25 <DavidWHodgins> Just by being here gives you a vote.
19:31:25 <lewyssmith> Elsewhere?
19:31:31 <MrsB> urpmi isodumper
19:31:45 <lewyssmith> If *not* Mageia.
19:31:49 <MrsB> oh
19:31:56 <MrsB> erm
19:32:05 <tjandrews> The one from the Mga4 repos is the one I've been using.
19:32:11 <MrsB> mint has something similar, but not sure of the uefi stuff
19:32:30 <lewyssmith> Can it be made a regular download?
19:32:40 <MrsB> good documentation of how to burn/dump to usb for bios/uefi
19:33:04 <MrsB> Could we make a static binary for iso dumper maybe?
19:33:06 <lewyssmith> Just use IsoDumper.
19:33:14 <MrsB> isodumper*
19:33:23 <MrsB> Akien tmb ^^
19:34:29 <MrsB> it's only python isn't it
19:34:42 <lewyssmith> And Qt.
19:35:01 <tjandrews> Hoping the whole process moves along soon. It's getting so that I have less and less time for testing.
19:35:16 <lewyssmith> It will, TJ.
19:35:34 <MrsB> #info Can we make isodumper available for people not using Mageia ?
19:35:36 <Akien> MrsB: That might be doable, though people would probably have to install python-qt by hand
19:35:47 <tjandrews> The only reason I can be here today is that it's cold and snowing. Not a good day for farm work.
19:35:47 <Akien> *python-qt5
19:35:53 <wilcal> Sometimes you have to push away from it for a couple days
19:36:02 <wilcal> Never on Sunday for me
19:36:05 <Akien> I'll look into it
19:36:08 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Snowed here today too.
19:36:10 <MrsB> thanks Akien
19:36:45 <wilcal> Rained a little here today. There was a Parade to honor it
19:36:53 <MrsB> I was sat out in the sun today, had to avoid getting burned. Really nice day. Now it's forcasting rain and cold again :D
19:36:59 <tjandrews> :)
19:37:26 <lewyssmith> I see California needs 43Km3 of rain to restore aquifers.
19:37:32 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
19:38:06 <MrsB> #info We'll allow one more day for the last tests, mainly mate/gnome and decide tomorrow if we're OK to release the RC
19:38:10 <MrsB> dude!
19:38:33 <lewyssmith> Again I have ben too busy to look at updates; sorry.
19:38:33 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Jumped the gun again.
19:38:38 <MrsB> mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:38:46 <MrsB> didn't even have the link ready
19:38:57 <MrsB> We're not doing bad really, considering
19:39:12 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: You did right, we were drifting.
19:39:16 <MrsB> there are a few lingering updates we need to get cleared now though
19:39:39 <MrsB> and of course the kernels
19:40:09 <MrsB> Is there anything scary there?
19:40:16 <wilcal> Kernels actually look pretty good to me
19:40:41 <DavidWHodgins> I really hate inconsistent bugs. I cannot re-recreate the kernel slow down bug, so can't test fixes.
19:41:16 <MrsB> I haven't looked at the kernels yet. I'd rather we get the ISOs out of the way and then do those
19:41:37 <wilcal> take the kernels and chrome off the updates and we're in good shape there
19:41:50 <MrsB> there are some there though that have been around for a week or two
19:42:02 <MrsB> might have a crack at some tomorrow
19:42:03 <rindolf> Bye everyone. I'm going to sleep.
19:42:08 <MrsB> nite rindolf
19:42:16 <wilcal> lets get the kernels off there by Monday
19:42:40 <MrsB> chromium advisory has been added now so i'll upload that and validate it after the meeting
19:43:00 <MrsB> well, i'd sooner we not rush those
19:43:49 <MrsB> Nothing scary there though really
19:43:53 <MrsB> anybody?
19:44:13 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I'd rather hold off on the kernel updates, to see if I can recreate the problem I reported before.
19:44:22 <MrsB> mailman Dave that's one for you
19:44:22 <wilcal> is backula ever coming off that list
19:44:25 <brian__> I assume that's for mga4 for Chromium
19:44:46 <brian__> I might be able to try on VM.
19:44:51 <MrsB> these are all the updates for mga4 awaiting testing so they can be pushed as updates brian__
19:45:09 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, I will look at that as my first post RC job.
19:45:14 <MrsB> it's been tested thta one though and waiting for me to upload the advisory and validate it now
19:45:15 <Akien> subversion, 20 days without action. Anything scary about that one?
19:45:43 <lewyssmith> Its name?
19:45:55 <MrsB> no feel free to test it Akien
19:46:20 <Akien> lewyssmith: lol :)
19:46:23 <DavidWHodgins> Testing complete here on an x86_64 system. Just needs the advisory uploaded to svn,
19:46:26 <MrsB> it is the dav module needs testing really
19:47:08 <MrsB> So let's move on then and see if Luigi is home
19:47:22 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think we use web_dave at all
19:47:37 <MrsB> web_dave is used less and less these days :P
19:47:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  Luigi's Roundup
19:47:58 <Luigi12_work> wait a minute :o)  reading up
19:48:00 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping!
19:48:05 <MrsB> oh you're here
19:49:10 <Luigi12_work> ok I'm here
19:49:12 <Luigi12_work> yeah was in class
19:49:23 <MrsB> don't they know you've got a meeting
19:49:28 <Luigi12_work> hehe
19:49:33 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:49:52 <Luigi12_work> still waiting for a CVE for net-snmp...maybe I should just patch it.  Too busy I guess.
19:50:16 <Luigi12_work> MySQL 5.5.43 is out with a few security fixes.  MariaDB 5.5.43 isn't out yet, but should follow soon with the same fixes I would guess.
19:50:33 <Luigi12_work> postgis is an unmaintained package (ugh) with a security issue fixed upstream
19:50:46 <MrsB> #info mariadb should be coming soon, also postgis
19:50:52 <MrsB> dont liek the sound of gis
19:51:26 <Luigi12_work> I have freeze push requests pending for wordpress (severely critical XSS issue, remotely exploitable by unauthenticated users), curl, qtwebkit/qtwebkit5, qt4/qtbase5, cherokee, and sqlite3
19:51:43 <Luigi12_work> so hopefully I can get some pushes soon...probably once the RC ISOs are out I guess
19:52:03 <Luigi12_work> also filed a bug for pdns-recursor, although we may not actually be affected by the issue, not sure
19:52:05 <MrsB> #info wordpress, curl, qtwebkit/qtwebkit5, qt4/qtbase5, cherokee, and sqlite3 waiting for freeze push in cauldron
19:52:09 <tmb> I'll push them tonight
19:52:12 <Luigi12_work> sweet
19:52:14 <MrsB> thanks tmb
19:52:28 <MrsB> also some mga4 pushes to do once chromium advisory is uploaded
19:52:36 <tmb> yep
19:52:38 <MrsB> :)
19:52:44 <Luigi12_work> python-pip has a security issue (or two) and is embedded in python-virtualenv, so philippem is looking into that (or those)
19:52:58 <MrsB> they're easy ones at least
19:53:07 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have
19:53:14 <MrsB> #info python-pip & python-virtualenv likely
19:53:23 <MrsB> great, just a dozen or so then
19:53:24 <tmb> there will come a glibc one too
19:53:34 <MrsB> #info and glibc
19:53:36 <Luigi12_work> yeah saw other distros releasing glibc updates, figured we'd have one
19:53:55 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
19:53:55 <tmb> there are 3 CVE pending on oss-sec and one that got assigned
19:54:12 <MrsB> with PoC?
19:54:12 <tmb> cauldron have all but the last one
19:55:01 <tmb> dont know yet, I only noted the CVE + glibc topic :)
19:55:12 <MrsB> Okay, no rush :)
19:55:23 <MrsB> That only leaves...
19:55:25 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:55:30 <MrsB> tah
19:55:34 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:55:57 <wilcal> not from me
19:56:04 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:56:05 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. (Cat just woke up, and want's to get fed again).
19:56:12 <MrsB> quick meeting today
19:56:20 <tjandrews> I see the Firefox 38 ESR is due out in mid-May. How will we handle that with Mga5?
19:56:20 <MrsB> thanks for coming then everybody
19:56:29 <wilcal> pretty focused i think
19:56:33 <MrsB> ahh wait
19:56:46 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: any plans for FF 38 ESR ?
19:56:50 <Luigi12_work> we'll update to 38 ESR at least when 38.1 comes out
19:56:53 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Unless it includes security fixes, won't make Mageia 5.
19:57:07 <Luigi12_work> 38.0 will probably be coinciding with another 31.x as usual, so we'll stick with that
19:57:10 <tjandrews> OK. Just wondering...
19:57:20 <MrsB> good question
19:57:27 <Luigi12_work> yep
19:57:30 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:57:41 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time
19:57:43 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:57:44 <MrsB> T - 5
19:57:45 <Luigi12_work> so probably a couple more months before we update to 38, but yeah it's coming
19:57:49 <brian__> have a good weekend
19:57:49 <wilcal> thanks all
19:57:50 <brian__> bye
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19:57:58 <MrsB> #endmeeting