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19:06:17 <MrsB> Hi everybody welcome to another one
19:06:20 <tjandrews> One of the perks of country living in upstate NY.
19:06:26 <MrsB> well done for getting the time right :)
19:06:46 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:06:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:06:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - If you are new then come along and introduce yourself
19:06:53 <MrsB> dude :)
19:07:05 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here tonight?
19:07:30 <marja> obgr_seneca almost counts as new ;-)
19:07:45 <lewyssmith> Ozky is new to me, at least.
19:07:47 <obgr_seneca> MrsB: Not exactly new D
19:07:47 <MrsB> yeah he's disappeared again
19:07:54 <MrsB> ahh welcome back obgr_seneca
19:07:57 <ozky> What ???
19:08:22 <MrsB> Let's have a round of introductions anyway shall we
19:08:32 <tjandrews> I'm 65 years old. Haven't been "new" for a long time...
19:09:03 <marja> lol
19:09:13 <DavidWHodgins> Dave Hodgins 54, from London, Ontario Canada. Been helping with qa testing since Mageia 1 alpha 1.
19:09:16 <wilcal> seasoned is the right term
19:09:19 <MrsB> I'm Claire. Late 30's *cough*. Based in UK and team leader. Been with the QA team since it started.
19:09:25 <obgr_seneca> tjandrews: A German singer who died end of last year sang "Live starts at the age of 66"
19:09:52 <marja> obgr_seneca: I hope he turned 99 :-)
19:10:07 <olivier_cc> Olivier late 40's, french, in QA for some months
19:10:26 <lewyssmith> Lewis, a prickly Celtic ex-pat in France.
19:10:30 <MrsB> lol
19:10:35 <ozky> I'am 30 years man from finland used linux something to do 2008.1 mandriva and then mageia
19:10:37 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: ozky joined qa last June.
19:10:47 <obgr_seneca> But to introductions: I'm Oliver, late 30s, German. Have been arround Mageia since 2010 but had to pause for quite some time
19:10:59 <tjandrews> I'm a family farmer in Central NY, USA. Third generation of my family to own/operate this farm.
19:11:01 <ozky> Yes i not been long time in meetings but still helping qa
19:11:06 <marja> marja, late 50s, switching back and forth between teams, Dutch
19:11:14 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Just didn't recall him.
19:11:18 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:11:19 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
19:11:39 <wilcal> now retired
19:11:42 <MrsB> no exploding electric meter for you wilcal?
19:11:51 <wilcal> still go'n
19:11:56 <MrsB> \o/
19:12:22 <MrsB> has everybody introduced themselves?
19:12:29 <wilcal> I tell people I still do what I was do'n when I was work'n I just don't get paid anymore
19:12:33 <Akien> I'm Rémi, 23 French energy engineer, energetically trying to help in most of our teams :)
19:12:48 <Akien> Nice to see you around obgr_seneca :)
19:12:54 <lewyssmith> The baby of the team!
19:12:57 <obgr_seneca> Thanks Akien
19:13:11 <MrsB> injecting energy wherever he goes
19:13:18 <tjandrews> I've calculated it, and if I'm really, really careful with my money, I'll be able to afford retirement three years after I die.
19:13:26 <wilcal> What School Akien?
19:13:36 <Stormi> Samuel, 32, Developer, Lyon, France
19:13:39 <marja> tjandrews: lol
19:13:41 <Stormi> But we met already :)
19:13:41 <MrsB> ahh you're one of the lucky ones then tjandrews
19:14:39 <MrsB> So we all know who we are now :)
19:14:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - It's still difficult with prolonged ISO testing
19:15:04 <MrsB> It's still difficult with the prolonged ISO testing
19:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still working with vlad via email, on setting up and managing test environments.
19:15:46 <MrsB> yes, ideally we need to start getting up to speed with this again. When Mga5 is released we'll be flooded with updates
19:15:59 <wilcal> already there
19:16:30 <MrsB> let's keep tabs on progress and try and keep things moving but I realise it's not easy right now
19:16:54 <MrsB> Anybody want to add anything here?
19:17:01 <MrsB> anybody still in need of a mentor?
19:17:08 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing to add here.
19:17:49 <MrsB> Let's move on then
19:17:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 RC - Still going!
19:17:55 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:18:04 <MrsB> This is the big one
19:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> I finished syncing today's iso images just before the meeting started. Haven't started testing them yet.
19:18:20 <MrsB> Any major issues left?
19:18:31 <wilcal> bang'n my head this morning with the new isos
19:18:49 <ozky> I will put too iso files to download
19:19:10 <wilcal> I think I have some pilot error and want to retest before opening new bugs
19:19:20 <MrsB> 64bit classic ISOs still have screen corruption in the installer with older nvidia cards (nvidia340 & nvidia304) which was introduced when the driver moved on
19:19:37 <ennael> hi, sorry to be late
19:19:44 <MrsB> hi ennael
19:19:53 <ozky> Hi too
19:19:58 <MrsB> Live isos look good now
19:20:06 <Stormi> I'm going to test UEFI install from classical on my real computer
19:20:21 <ennael> about nvidia, pb is for now nobody has any idea on it :/
19:20:24 <wilcal> Yup I ran through them all this morning in just live mode and they all worked just fine
19:20:27 <tjandrews> I have a problem with the build I synced on the i586 Classical iso. it had the wrong packages in it. Checked a few minutes ago and it said I was in sync,
19:20:34 <MrsB> Upgrades still currently broken using DVD with online medias added
19:20:56 <tjandrews> so the naming glitch shouldn't have been the problem.
19:21:24 <tmb> MrsB, but it works without online medias ?
19:21:28 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Did you see Claire's response in the qa discuss mailing list?
19:21:42 <MrsB> tmb yes, it's only when the two are combined
19:22:03 <tjandrews> Am currently syncing again with a copy of the March 22 iso, to see if that clears it up.
19:22:22 <MrsB> tmb https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15350
19:22:23 <[mbot> Bug 15350: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , Upgrade failed mga4 to mga5 when adding online media to DVD - 195 transactions failed
19:22:26 <tjandrews> Yes, David. That's when I checked the sync again.
19:22:38 <tmb> MrsB, ok, so not an iso blocker then, it's more of some broken deps/conflicts in cauldron then
19:23:15 <ennael> tv is on it  but it takes time
19:23:18 <MrsB> well, it works without dvd medias too, so the combination of dvd and online, rather than either one of the two
19:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Depends on if it's caused by problems with deps/confilcts by the rpm packages on the classical iso images.
19:23:54 <MrsB> dvd aloen is fine, online alone is fine. dvd & online = borked
19:24:58 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well, teoretically it should not matter as the installer should take all hdlist into consideration with online medias added
19:25:52 <MrsB> That's somethign to be fixed by final anyway and won't delay RC
19:26:00 <MrsB> The main oen for me is the nvidia one
19:26:03 <MrsB> one*
19:26:21 <tmb> MrsB, wich one is that ?
19:26:35 <MrsB> i'll find the bug, one sec
19:27:11 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15253
19:27:13 <[mbot> Bug 15253: major, release_blocker, ennael1, NEW , 5b3: Display corruption once the cursor moves (64bit is KO, 32bit is OK) with 16bpp & 24bpp (OK with 15bpp), kernel
19:27:56 <wally_> oh, that reminds me of something
19:28:09 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Anyway to force 15bpp for 64 bit installs with those video drivers?
19:28:17 <Akien> wally_: Yeah you worked around this one locally IIRC
19:28:20 <wally_> I can't even move my mouse unless I forst modprobe psmouse
19:28:36 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch!
19:28:46 <ozky> That's bad
19:29:03 <tmb> wally_, how is that possible ... its builtin
19:29:29 <wally_> dunno
19:29:42 <wally_> I have old logitech
19:30:03 <wally_> but before that i have to use vga=xxx to get somehow working graphics
19:30:05 <DavidWHodgins> wally_: Is it a serial port, ps/2, or usb connection?
19:30:16 <wally_> but that most probably related to my old nvidia gt7600
19:30:17 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, MrsB: ok so that's not a nvidia driver issue as it's not used during install
19:30:40 <MrsB> yep, just systems with those card ranges affected
19:31:16 <MrsB> I haven't checked again with the latest isos but the ones from a few days ago it was valid
19:31:29 <wally_> DavidWHodgins: old cordless mx400 ps2 mouse with usb receiver
19:32:12 <tjandrews> I've been having problems with my Logitech cordless mouse for a while now - double-clicking when I single click. But from what I see on the Net it's a common problem.
19:32:19 <tmb> Hm, I wonder if nouveau kernel driver gets loaded and gets in the way... I need to go check the boot.iso generator
19:32:47 <MrsB> i can do further tests if you need extra info
19:32:48 <tmb> wally_, could you capture dmesg before and after you modprobe psmouse ?
19:32:56 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: It's a very common problem, especially if the battery is low
19:33:10 <wally_> tmb: if I don't modprobe psmouse in ttyX installer freezes on language selection screen
19:33:34 <wally_> tmb: sure, but only tomorrow
19:34:10 <tjandrews> It's a MK300 desk set, the one I use the most. 5-6 years old. Keyboard letters wearing off. Probably just old.
19:34:27 <tmb> Hm, I wonder if the focaltech additions to psmouse is buggy...
19:34:29 <wally_> tmb: I mean keyboard works fine, but when I move mouse cursor everything freezes after 1 sec
19:35:25 <tmb> wally_, is there a bugreport ?
19:35:37 <tjandrews> Problem should be solved in a couple of days. A new MK320 is on its way here.
19:36:03 <wally_> tmb: not yet :(
19:36:35 <MrsB> It's a good job you mentioned it
19:36:38 <wally_> tmb: I'll try to reproduce thins tomorrow
19:36:44 <wally_> things
19:37:33 <wally_> but at least I've managed to install mga5 to my old² desktop :)
19:38:26 <marja> :-)
19:40:48 <lewyssmith> Move on?
19:40:55 <MrsB> so we're not far away now
19:41:10 <MrsB> Anybody want to add anything else here?
19:41:23 <ozky> No problems need to get solved first then move on
19:41:47 <lewyssmith> Agre; but it went very quiet.
19:42:09 <marja> it seems barjac solved a nasty efibootmgr bug, that deleted Mageia from the BootOrder list and made it impossible to reboot into Mageia
19:42:31 <tjandrews> Finished the new sync, checking md5sum now...
19:42:44 <ozky> Think it's good that i booted with bios legacy my laptop
19:43:02 <tjandrews> It checks!
19:43:08 <MrsB> Let's move on then
19:43:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:43:14 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:43:16 <MrsB> thanks Dave
19:43:24 <lewyssmith> marja: There are ways round that.
19:43:24 <wilcal> Hello kernels
19:43:43 <marja> lewyssmith: I know, but it is nice to have it fixed before release :-)
19:43:55 <MrsB> Hello kernels yes
19:44:08 <MrsB> As you can see, the list is huge again
19:44:17 <wilcal> Vbox remains stable at this Kernel update right?
19:44:31 <MrsB> I think we should validate with one test to bring it back under control
19:44:37 <MrsB> apart from kernels obviously
19:44:41 <ozky> Oh yes iso testing is getting everybody too busy to test nothing
19:45:00 <tjandrews> OK, right version of Firefox this time. Dunno why it would say it was in sync when it really wasn't.
19:45:01 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Agreed
19:45:11 <lewyssmith> marja: Agree.
19:45:46 <MrsB> I'll clear the current ones tomorrow, unless you beat me to it Dave
19:46:10 <MrsB> Is there anything scary there?
19:46:27 <ozky> None
19:46:30 <wilcal> just a lot of bugs there to clear
19:46:43 <wilcal> I should be through the kernels by Monday
19:46:57 <lewyssmith> I have started picking at them again.
19:47:05 <MrsB> cool well done both
19:47:08 <DavidWHodgins> For the cups-filter one, I think it's enough to just test that cups runs with the update installed, and detects printers.
19:47:26 <MrsB> If it detects remote printers preferably Dave
19:47:30 <lewyssmith> This is one for Bill: it requires a networked printer.
19:48:02 <wilcal> I have one M4.1 box that my hp usb printer is on
19:48:02 <MrsB> or shares a printer to which is picked up on another system
19:48:18 <obgr_seneca> I have a wifi printer, I can test it tommorow
19:48:28 <lewyssmith> David has noted in the bug what to test; simple enough.
19:48:30 <wilcal> "remote" means inside the LAN right
19:48:30 <MrsB> This is one everybody can do :)
19:48:34 <MrsB> yeah
19:48:41 <obgr_seneca> s/mm/m/ s/r/rr/
19:49:02 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
19:49:36 <MrsB> it's typo-tastic in QA meetings :)
19:50:00 <MrsB> Anything else there that looks scary?
19:50:08 <ozky> I'll take a look tommorrow that mariadb as i have tested it many many times
19:50:11 <wilcal> so many looks scary
19:50:25 <wilcal> gotta get M5 on the road
19:50:25 <MrsB> great ozky
19:50:35 <MrsB> actions make it happen
19:51:04 <MrsB> librsync I think we can all test
19:51:11 <MrsB> and isodumper
19:51:38 <ozky> I think everybody dump Mageia 5 iso to test usb stick will auto test it :)
19:51:55 <MrsB> yep and sync'ing the ISOs tests librsync
19:52:04 <MrsB> (probably)
19:52:11 <DavidWHodgins> ozky: Pretty much. I still tend to use dd rather then isodumper, out of habit.
19:52:41 <ozky> I sometimes use it too still but it looks too arch linux style to do it
19:53:15 <lewyssmith> I have just done x64 ISO dumper.
19:53:31 <MrsB> Ok so much work to be done there, but we'l relax the rules slightly to clear some of the list and bring it back to a manageable size, we'll validate cautiously with only one test for now.
19:54:36 <MrsB> Let's move on then :)
19:54:41 <DavidWHodgins> #info We'll relax the rules for testing updates, to clear some of the list and bring it back to a manageable size. We'll validate cautiously with only one arch test for now.
19:54:59 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:55:11 <Stormi> round-up kills bees
19:55:13 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping!
19:55:47 <MrsB> we have ours cowboy style
19:56:08 <MrsB> Luigi12_lappy: ping
19:56:33 <lewyssmith> Stormi: http://www.pollinis.org/
19:56:34 <[mbot> [ Accueil | Pollinis ]
19:57:32 <MrsB> no luigi :(
19:57:43 <tjandrews> I see a notice on Chatzilla where Luigi left a while ago, but none that he returned.
19:57:44 <ozky> Oh no what we now do ?
19:57:45 <Stormi> rebooting, installer ot test
19:57:50 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 2
19:58:30 <MrsB> I guess he's busy
19:58:43 <lewyssmith> Probably teaching.
19:58:46 <wilcal> He left up his list  :-)
19:58:53 <wilcal> left us his list
19:59:05 <lewyssmith> Where?
19:59:12 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 unavailable during the meeting, could you please email qa-d instead :)
19:59:50 <MrsB> That only leaves..
20:00:07 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:00:19 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:00:49 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:00:52 <wilcal> how are we doing with UEFI
20:01:06 * Luigi12_work is here
20:01:15 <ozky> Oh no not again it's like curse in Mageia
20:01:19 <MrsB> Well, largely OK. Some possible problems when installed alongside windows
20:01:21 <Luigi12_work> rsync does not use librsync
20:01:35 <ozky> Hi luigi
20:01:35 <lewyssmith> !
20:01:44 <Luigi12_work> librsync is only used by rdiff and the other two programs that were rebuilt along with that update
20:01:46 <MrsB> ahh let's have a last minute roundup then
20:01:55 * MrsB not looked ta it yet
20:02:09 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's last minute Roundup
20:02:22 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: is right, I'm teaching this week and next, but yeah I can do a roundup now
20:02:31 <MrsB> up to you?
20:02:42 <Luigi12_work> yeah let's do it
20:02:53 <MrsB> standing by with info's
20:03:10 <Luigi12_work> new bugs filed for ruby-rest-client (filed last week) and ruby-bundler (this week), hoping someone (pterjan?) will look at those
20:03:38 <Luigi12_work> think I mentioned qemu last week, Fedora now has a backported patch for the version we have in Cauldron, so I'll have to add that, but still nothing for the version in mga4/f20
20:03:57 <MrsB> #info ruby-rest-client, ruby-bundler hoping somebody (pterjan :) will help with those
20:04:06 <Luigi12_work> erlang TLS issue CVE assigned last Friday, haven't seen a backported patch yet, so that might be a while
20:04:24 <MrsB> yeah update everything you can in cauldron before release
20:04:31 <Luigi12_work> perl-DBD-Firebird issue, hoping sander85 or jq will look at that
20:04:57 <Luigi12_work> sounds like for that one it needs to be updated to a much newer version, so they'll have to check it doesn't break anything that's using it
20:05:20 <Luigi12_work> minor patch needed for glpi, so guillomovitch will take care of that eventually
20:05:46 <Luigi12_work> and we pushed our last chromium-browser on April 1 and a new security update came out from upstream that same day :o(
20:05:52 <Luigi12_work> that's it for now
20:06:05 <MrsB> #info Some packager help required please for perl-DBD-Firebird & glpi
20:06:24 <MrsB> #info new chromium-browser-stable update coming already
20:06:46 <Luigi12_work> oh yeah...
20:07:01 <MrsB> don't like the sound of oh yeah
20:07:02 <Luigi12_work> the OpenSuSE packager has been helping me with the imagemagick crash I found while testing the libtiff CVEs
20:07:14 <MrsB> cool :)
20:07:23 <Luigi12_work> so we tracked the issue down to in libtiff itself and he reported it upstream with some more debugging info
20:07:43 <Luigi12_work> he also said there was a regression in their patches that we added in their last update for libtiff, so we'll have to address both of those issues
20:07:47 <lewyssmith> Clever.
20:08:12 <Luigi12_work> Ubuntu actually reverted those patches (or whichever was broken) already, so hopefully a better fix will be ready soon.  I think it will be.
20:08:39 <Luigi12_work> ok that's really it I think
20:09:04 <lewyssmith> Thanks David.
20:09:39 <MrsB> #info Working with OpenSusE and upstream to debug an imagemagick crash caused by libtiff regression
20:09:57 <MrsB> nice work :)
20:10:27 <MrsB> can't help but notice the 'coming soon' list was quite short so we'll expect to be inundated overnight
20:11:00 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
20:11:13 <MrsB> #topic Anything else, last chance..
20:11:23 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:11:31 <MrsB> Is there anything else before we finish?
20:11:34 <wilcal> brief M5 UEFI status please
20:11:46 <ozky> Not here
20:12:01 <wilcal> It seems to work just fine in Vbox
20:12:04 <MrsB> <MrsB> Well, largely OK. Some possible problems when installed alongside windows
20:12:09 <marja> wilcal: it's a lot better already
20:12:36 <wilcal> do we need to consider a later M5.1 release that includes windows support?
20:12:49 <wilcal> say 90-days later
20:13:08 <MrsB> can you remember the bug number marja?
20:13:12 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I think we just need more testing right now, to see if the latest fixes work.
20:13:26 <marja> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15589
20:13:27 <wilcal> Give it one more go and I suggest M5.1
20:13:28 <[mbot> Bug 15589: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Install unusable because installer used too little of the available space (after selecting Use the free space on a Microsoft Windows partition), drakx-installer-stage2
20:13:35 <MrsB> thankyou
20:13:51 * marja this was only reported by one user..... more tests are needed
20:14:03 <wilcal> hard to test too
20:14:17 <DavidWHodgins> Don't have any windows systems here, anymore.
20:14:25 <Stormi> isn't it sufficient to install windows in a VM ?
20:14:27 <wilcal> That's the problem David
20:14:34 <MrsB> it's a likely use case though so important to get it right
20:14:35 <Stormi> or even start with an existing windows VM?
20:14:46 <Stormi> aren't there some available from vmware or such?
20:14:52 <Luigi12_work> ooh I remember Windows, that's that thing I used to run Chip's Challenge in the early 90's
20:15:07 * MrsB looked through one earlier
20:15:45 <ozky> I run win8 in this laptop 2hours and it was just too long time
20:15:46 <MrsB> #info more tests needed for this bug, please attempt to reproduce if you can do
20:16:11 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
20:16:12 <tjandrews> I moved my over-wintered geraniums out to the front porch, then discovered mine need cleaning something awful.
20:16:15 <wilcal> not from me
20:16:37 <ozky> Not from meee too
20:16:46 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:16:51 <wilcal> bye all
20:16:53 <MrsB> thanks for being here everybody
20:16:54 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:16:58 <MrsB> 4
20:17:00 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone
20:17:00 <MrsB> 3
20:17:02 <MrsB> 2
20:17:03 <MrsB> 1
20:17:06 <MrsB> #endmeeting