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20:09:09 <MrsB> Hi everybody, welcome to another one
20:09:15 <wilcal> 22C here in San Diego. Not a cloud in the sky
20:09:19 <MrsB> Sorry for the late email :\
20:09:49 <MrsB> For the record, it's at this time on everyThursday so if you don't see the email the meeting is on anyway!
20:10:06 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:10:06 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:10:10 <tjandrews> Sorry I didn't make it last week. Went to a farm show to buy some baling twine.
20:10:20 <MrsB> lol that's a good excuse.
20:10:36 * MrsB makes a note of it
20:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> #info Note for North American users, dst starts this weekend, so for the next 3 weeks (until Europe starts dst), the meetings will be one hour earliear local time.
20:11:10 <ca-on-adam> noted
20:11:21 <MrsB> thanks Dave, that never crossed my mind
20:11:55 <DavidWHodgins> It's been in the news here, all week, reminding people.
20:11:55 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
20:12:09 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
20:12:30 <MrsB> don't think so
20:12:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update
20:12:58 <MrsB> disco dave :)
20:13:04 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:13:13 <MrsB> How is it going mentors?
20:13:24 <DavidWHodgins> I have to remember to email Vlad to see how he's doing.
20:13:33 <MrsB> Did you remember to update the wiki page?
20:13:37 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:13:42 <wilcal> David Larson is becoming quite active and good
20:13:48 <MrsB> yes, please do keep in touch with your students
20:14:29 <MrsB> pete larson?
20:14:43 <wilcal> He is one of my mentors
20:14:52 <wilcal> posts on the qa-discuss]
20:14:56 <MrsB> yes, you put David :D
20:15:04 <wilcal> Pete Larson sorry
20:15:23 <MrsB> Can you update the wiki page please wilcal https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_mentoring_page
20:15:58 <MrsB> We need to introduce everybody to testing updates and guide them as they get started
20:16:16 <MrsB> it's difficult with so much time on ISOs at the moment
20:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Starting with how to set up test environments.
20:16:39 <MrsB> yeah and the process
20:17:21 <MrsB> Any issues at all or everything going ok?
20:18:23 <wilcal> do'n good
20:19:02 <MrsB> ok, we'll stick with weekly updates
20:19:27 <MrsB> #topic RC ISOs
20:19:30 <tjandrews> Testing i586 iso here on two machines. About all I have time to handle.
20:20:01 <MrsB> that's good going tjandrews
20:20:14 <wilcal> lewys not here
20:20:30 <MrsB> I've been immersed in updates today, how are the ISOs looking?
20:21:09 <wilcal> I'm pretty happy with the CI's status.
20:21:19 <tjandrews> One is an Intel processor, the other AMD. I have found a couple of bugs that show one one but not the other.
20:21:27 <wilcal> I'm very concerned about the UEFI situation
20:21:33 <tjandrews> show ON one
20:21:55 <MrsB> Have you commented on the pad and created a bug report tjandrews (if one doesn't exist already)
20:22:00 <tjandrews> Can't help there. No URFI machines.
20:22:03 <MrsB> morning vzawalin1
20:22:48 <DavidWHodgins> I just did a uefi install. Went ok, using custom disk partitioning. Booting into uefi is a pain on this system, as I have to go into the bios setup everytime I want to boot in uefi mode.
20:22:49 <tjandrews> Yeah. The two bugs I saw so far have been vanquished.
20:22:51 <vzawalin1> Hi Everyone -sorry to be late
20:23:05 <DavidWHodgins> vzawalin1: HiYa Vlad
20:23:15 <vzawalin1> Hi David
20:23:25 <MrsB> It's nice to see things getting fixed :)
20:23:44 <olivier_cc> I find UEFI has made much progress but I saw that setting it on a blank hard drive is quite a difficult task
20:23:57 <wilcal> I'm concerned that maybe we're getting to complex on UEFI
20:24:07 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Yes. Best to use custom partitioning.
20:24:13 <MrsB> In what way wilcal?
20:24:37 <wilcal> If there is already a Windows install on a drive and then the user trys to install UEFI Mageia I'm reading complexity
20:24:52 <MrsB> that's a bit general
20:25:10 <MrsB> olivier_cc: do you have a bug number for that issue?
20:25:12 <wilcal> Also RAID installs. Should maybe this go around we only concentrate on blank drive UEFI installs
20:25:31 <olivier_cc> MrsB : no, I want to do it again before adding a bug
20:25:50 <MrsB> ok please do one ASAP though please, it's the only way bugs get fixed
20:25:55 <olivier_cc> I tried so many different things I lost myself ...
20:25:57 <vzawalin1> Raid installs won't work - known issue
20:25:57 <wilcal> Anyway I await the ability to install UEFI in Vbox
20:26:48 <MrsB> I don't have anything EFI and very little experience with it (vbox only) so have to rely on you guys to make the issues known
20:26:49 <wilcal> If we just limit M5 to blank drive UEFI installs excluding RAID
20:27:22 <MrsB> vzawalin1: how are you getting on with EFI?
20:27:27 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata#Formatting_the_wrong_drive is the biggest problem.
20:27:36 <wilcal> I'd hate to be going round and round on this for months trying to get everything to work
20:27:44 <olivier_cc> Yes David, this one is real scary !
20:27:52 <vzawalin1> I have tried successfullly to install  M5 on the same drive as Osuse
20:28:02 <MrsB> oh that's not good :\
20:28:16 <MrsB> thta is good vzawalin1 :)
20:28:33 <MrsB> Is there a bug report for that or has it gone straight to the errata?
20:28:58 <MrsB> it's somethign that should be a blocker rather than errata item
20:29:07 <vzawalin1> MrsB everything works (except isw raid), including install on a blank drive, provided one is extremely careful with the installer dialogue
20:29:28 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not sure who put it in the errata.
20:29:38 <lewyssmith> hello. sorry for being late. No cat; dining.
20:29:46 <olivier_cc> I agree with you MrsB
20:29:54 <olivier_cc> Hi Lewis
20:30:00 <wilcal> Hello lewys just the right time we're talk'n UEFI
20:30:09 <lewyssmith> Good.
20:30:16 <wilcal> How you feel about it now
20:30:20 <vzawalin1> I have done the bug report 15242 and the errata entry
20:30:28 <MrsB> Can somebody please create a bug report for that issue then please and set it as a release_blocker
20:30:34 <MrsB> ahh ok, thanks
20:30:40 <MrsB> bug 15242
20:30:42 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15242 major, High, bugsquad, NEW , Suggested safety  and usability improvements for installer (partitioner) in Mga5 Beta 3 Release 2(Classical iso)
20:31:02 <lewyssmith> wilcal, : Have not had any success with RC before coming away.
20:31:29 <MrsB> vzawalin1: bug reports generally need to be specific for one issue at once
20:31:34 <vzawalin1> ennael has removed by initial  release blocker on this given the errara
20:31:57 <MrsB> Is there a specific report for the 'formattign the wrong disk' issue?
20:33:25 <DavidWHodgins> It's one of many issues in bug 15242
20:33:29 <wilcal> aside from UEFI how has the latest CI's worked for you lewys?
20:33:29 <vzawalin1> Mrs B - I know... I have started individual bugs out of that one. Havent done the two big ones separately yet
20:33:58 <MrsB> ok please do, that's really important. I don't think we can release with something like that as an errata item
20:34:11 <MrsB> If in doubt, always create a bug report
20:34:21 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Since I cannot install any of them, not very well...
20:34:36 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. Please create a separate bug report, and mark it as a release blocker.
20:34:47 <wilcal> I noticed a difference between the dual disc set up and the other two
20:34:57 <vzawalin1> IMrs B - I agree.  That errata item would put anyone off the way its worded.
20:35:18 <wilcal> the dual sets up sda1 the your told to reboot then it sets up the rest of the partitions
20:35:23 <MrsB> yeah, moreimportantly though it could cause people to lose their data etc
20:35:33 <olivier_cc> the bug itself would put anyone off Mageia
20:35:43 <MrsB> yes, it's one we need fixed
20:36:40 <MrsB> #action vzawalin1 to create a bug report for the installer using/formatting the wrong drive issue
20:36:52 <vzawalin1> noted
20:36:59 <MrsB> You can set it as a release blocker please vzawalin1 when you get to it
20:37:05 <DavidWHodgins> Looking at the wiki history, it looks like it was ennael that added it to the errata.
20:37:08 <vzawalin1> will do
20:37:12 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:37:50 <DavidWHodgins> In the 19:22, 13 February 2015 edit.
20:37:54 <MrsB> What other EFI issues do we have?
20:38:04 <MrsB> hi lewis btw
20:38:09 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't seen any problems.
20:38:14 <lewyssmith> Evening.
20:38:46 <olivier_cc> On a system where EFI is already set by another distribution, UEFI install performed well for me
20:38:55 <tjandrews> I agree with oliver. I had a bug something like that way back with Mandrake 10. It sent me to Fedora.
20:39:16 <wilcal> What other system? Linux or Windows
20:39:23 <olivier_cc> Ubuntu
20:39:31 <tjandrews> The formatting bug, I mean. (Slow typing)
20:39:40 <MrsB> So the main issues are to do with partitioning?
20:39:57 <wilcal> Ya the Ubuntu guys at SCALEx13 were pretty confident on their UEFI implementation
20:40:05 <vzawalin1> EFI: If disk is partitioned MBR, installs EFI using secondary partitions. ie, partition table isn't changed to gpt. Not a bug, I guess but unusual
20:40:17 <olivier_cc> At least for me it was partitioning on a blank drive which gave me problems
20:40:22 <lewyssmith> It has around for ages with Ubuntu.
20:40:25 <DavidWHodgins> efi doesn't require gpt.
20:40:33 <lewyssmith> Oh?
20:40:36 <MrsB> #info main EFI issues relate to partitioning
20:40:47 <DavidWHodgins> gpt is only really needed if you have a drive over 2 TB.
20:40:54 <tmb> hm, efi should have enforced gpt
20:41:01 <wilcal> That's what I'm seeing even in VBox when I got it to kinda work
20:41:04 <MrsB> olivier_cc: did you make a bug report for your issue?
20:41:14 <lewyssmith> tmb: Agree.
20:41:19 <olivier_cc> no but will do
20:41:21 <DavidWHodgins> On a blank drive it does. I haven't tried on a drive with a dos mbr.
20:41:34 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, gpt is mandatory for efi (even if it works somewhat on mbr)
20:41:38 <MrsB> #action olivier_ccto create a bug report for efi on blank disk issue
20:41:42 <MrsB> #undo
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20:41:47 <MrsB> #action olivier_cc to create a bug report for efi on blank disk issue
20:41:57 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ah. Didn't know that.
20:42:18 <MrsB> vzawalin1: that's another bug report then please
20:42:32 <MrsB> I think we can probably set all these as release blcokers, tmb agree?
20:42:40 <MrsB> blockers
20:42:44 <vzawalin1> OK! ...I didn't know whether it was meant to be so
20:43:10 <tmb> yes, we need a safe efi install or we will screw a lot of users
20:43:22 <vzawalin1> yes!
20:43:25 <DavidWHodgins> In my opinion, anything that "messes" up partitioning, in unexpected ways, should be a release blocker.
20:43:26 <MrsB> thanks guys
20:43:36 <olivier_cc> I just wondered if users would install in EFI on a blank drive in real life
20:43:50 <MrsB> keep up the good work. Alot rests on your shoulders !
20:44:03 <DavidWHodgins> In most cases, I'd expect it to also have a windows install already on it.
20:44:16 <wilcal> That is essentially what I would aways do olivier
20:44:34 <wilcal> Both in Vbox and real hardware
20:44:48 <wilcal> Start with Killdisk on real hardware
20:44:57 <olivier_cc> I must say i'm converted to EFI myself, thanks to Lewis
20:45:15 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Just "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1M count=2" is all that's needed.
20:45:50 <wilcal> that should not be asked of a normal user of Mageia David
20:46:05 <MrsB> For information, isodumper which is currently in mga4 updates testing has support for dumping ISOs onto USB stick so they can be booted on EFI
20:46:19 <tmb> wilcal, or fdisk /dev/sdX, then press "o" and "w"
20:46:35 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15422
20:46:37 <[mbot> Bug 15422: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update Isodumper to v0.40, isodumper
20:46:59 <olivier_cc> I understood the EFI support in isodumper only worked in cauldron and not from Mageia4
20:47:07 <tjandrews> wilcal: Agreed. Not something I'd be comfortable with, and I'm not quite "normal."
20:47:32 <MrsB> the new version has it olivier_cc, but it has a bug at the moment
20:47:46 <olivier_cc> ok, that's good news
20:47:47 <wilcal> All of this should be completely transparent and invisable to the common user of Mageia
20:48:10 <olivier_cc> I tried isodumper in Mageia5 and it worked well for EFI
20:48:39 <MrsB> yes, it's likely the same verison as in updates testing
20:48:43 <MrsB> version
20:48:43 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think efi applies to 32 bit.
20:48:46 <MrsB> typo night again
20:48:53 <wilcal> Correct David
20:49:24 <DavidWHodgins> I just finished an x86_64 efi install, using isodumper, so will mark it ok on 64 bit.
20:49:44 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, well there exists some "marketing crippled" 32bit efis out there, but we ignore them  :)
20:49:49 <MrsB> morning wrw105
20:50:16 <wrw105> Hiya, MrsB! I haven't fallen off the face of the earth, but I have been throwing snow there!
20:50:26 <MrsB> Any other major issues? Currently one with older nvidia and 64bit
20:50:51 <MrsB> enjoy it while it's there wrw105
20:51:00 <wilcal> I don't have any release blockers for M5 at the moment
20:51:12 <olivier_cc> I find that custom partitioning during install with cursors quite annoying
20:51:35 <DavidWHodgins> Just saw the comment about the completed message showing up to early, so will hold off marking it ok.
20:51:44 <MrsB> lewis is your partitioning issue fixed now?
20:52:51 <lewyssmith> I cannot tell. I am not at home, am in theUK.
20:53:13 <MrsB> Ohh, welcome back :)
20:53:28 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc, Did you have to go through the text installer?
20:53:43 <olivier_cc> no I did not try that
20:54:20 <lewyssmith> Did not understand your refernece to 'cursors'.
20:54:54 <olivier_cc> when partitioning, you have cursors to set the width of your partition
20:55:04 <lewyssmith> Did not know.
20:55:28 <olivier_cc> and they are quite unreliable here
20:55:45 <MrsB> in advanced mode it uses numbers rather than sliders
20:55:58 <olivier_cc> sliders :)
20:56:50 <MrsB> tmb: any update on the live isos ?
20:58:37 <tmb> MrsB, yep, we found and squashed the bugs today in drakx preventing builds, wich is now in 16.67 currently heading to the mirrors :)
20:58:50 <MrsB> cool, good news \o/
20:59:18 <wilcal> I've got some time this weekend
20:59:20 <tmb> turns out it was a subtle change in drakx, not the security updates in mga4 that broke the build
20:59:32 * MrsB phew
20:59:54 <lewyssmith> Took a *lot* of detective work I suspect.
21:00:32 <MrsB> It's been good to focus on classic isos for a start so worked out well really
21:00:52 <wilcal> I only found that one scripting error
21:01:29 <MrsB> Is there anything else to add about the RC ISOs?
21:01:48 <olivier_cc> I also upgraded a mageia4x64 uefi install to Mageia5 : no problem at all
21:01:57 <MrsB> great, that is good news
21:02:23 <MrsB> #info please also test upgrades with various random packages installed
21:02:47 <MrsB> let's move on then, thanks everybody
21:02:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
21:03:07 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
21:03:09 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
21:03:18 <MrsB> We cleared a few off the list today
21:03:43 <olivier_cc> You worked hard MrsB !
21:03:46 <MrsB> Are there any there that look particularly scary?
21:04:02 <MrsB> it was a busy day :) Wasn't just me though
21:04:10 <wilcal> List has been mostly under control
21:04:51 <wilcal> Can we just ensure that mapserver installs and updates
21:05:07 <wilcal> I don't want to become a mapserver expert
21:05:18 <DavidWHodgins> I think the polkit update should get a fairly high priority, as it causes problems for various other software, such as kded4.
21:05:20 <MrsB> I'll do that one, was digging in to it today and found a problem so i'll retest it in the morning
21:05:20 <tmb> vlc and lxappearance still needs advisories
21:05:50 <MrsB> yes, they've been doen recently. I'll upload advisories after the meeting
21:06:26 <MrsB> needs testing 64bit Dave
21:06:38 <MrsB> easy oen to test by the looks of it
21:07:45 <wilcal> i'll probably go after wireshark next
21:07:51 <MrsB> Anything scary?
21:08:22 <MrsB> if not we'll give Luigi12 a tickle
21:08:36 <wilcal> luigi time
21:08:37 <DavidWHodgins> The mintmenu one should be tested by someone who knows French, based on the bug summary.
21:08:51 <MrsB> olivier_cc: :)
21:08:51 <david_david> I've successfully tested both 32 and 64 polkit update
21:09:07 <MrsB> thanks david_david, we can validate that then
21:09:20 <david_david> MrsB: for me YES :)
21:09:31 <olivier_cc> Ok, I will do the mintmenu once more :)
21:10:25 <MrsB> good, if we can keep the updates goin while we are testing ISOs it really helps when we are all worn out afterwards
21:10:35 <MrsB> going*
21:10:39 <david_david> unless someone else also wants to test :p
21:11:04 <MrsB> Dave dude, want to look at polkit?
21:11:55 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
21:12:14 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: Luigi12 ping!
21:12:17 * Luigi12 pokes his head out through the snow
21:12:19 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Just adding the advisory, then I'll validate it.
21:12:26 <MrsB> well done dave
21:12:41 <lewyssmith> Luigi12, Hello David.
21:12:59 <MrsB> I remember snow, saw some last year
21:13:52 <wilcal> 25C here now
21:13:59 <Luigi12> had too much this year, and too cold :o(
21:14:28 <tjandrews> Dairy barn collapsed from snow weight near here yesterday. Killed 5 cows.
21:14:36 <MrsB> :(
21:14:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
21:14:45 <MrsB> poor moo's
21:14:55 <ca-on-adam> steak for dinner anyone?
21:15:03 <wilcal> frozen milk
21:15:05 <MrsB> frozen steak
21:15:09 <MrsB> lol
21:15:13 <tjandrews> 200 saved, though.
21:15:18 <Luigi12> even better
21:15:24 <lewyssmith> Good.
21:15:39 <Luigi12> ok, sorry for the delay, was polishing off an apache update that I just pushed to QA.  Another mod_lua issue just like the last update.
21:15:51 <MrsB> just noticed you've been busy adding to the list
21:15:58 <Luigi12> yeah, today's been crazy
21:16:01 <Luigi12> so much for a day off
21:16:03 <Luigi12> (snow day)
21:16:11 <Luigi12> getting queasy with how many new ones to push today
21:16:30 <MrsB> so we can expect an influx
21:16:41 <Luigi12> so here's what we have that's recent but still pending.  guillomovitch added a patch to suricata but as soon as he did I found another patch is also needed.
21:17:06 <Luigi12> filed a bug for pngcrush this past week.  Doesn't really have a maintainer, so I might have to update that one.  Funda usually updates it in Cauldron.
21:17:21 <Luigi12> Filed a bug with joequant for nodejs, more v8 security issues fixed in the latest release
21:17:59 <MrsB> #info suricata needs another patch but is coming, pngcrush is coming along with nodejs
21:17:59 <Luigi12> filed a bug for python-rope.  The "fix" just disables the vulnerable feature in the default configuration rather than actually fix it, but that's all we've got.  I'll add the patch of philippem doesn't get to it soon.
21:18:33 <Luigi12> There's a new chromium-browser-stable security release (and update to the new version 41 stable branch) needed, so spturtle will get to that when he can
21:18:58 <Luigi12> I added a patch in Cauldron today for a directory traversal issue in bsdcpio (from libarchive).  Waiting for a CVE assignment before pushing it to Mageia 4.
21:19:29 <Luigi12> that's all
21:19:35 <MrsB> #info chromium-browser-stable coming too, python-rope & bsdcpoi
21:19:40 <MrsB> one for you there wrw105
21:19:45 <Luigi12> s/bsdcpoi/bsdcpio/
21:19:56 <MrsB> yes, that
21:19:58 <Luigi12> well, libarchive is the SRPM name for that one, bsdcpio is the RPM name
21:20:28 <wrw105> So long as you don't beat me to it, like tbird/firefox last time.  You had them cleared before I woke up! :-)
21:20:33 <MrsB> we've had it before anyway, i'm pretty sure
21:20:44 <Luigi12> also may be of interest to some, I sent a note to the dev ml that Samba 3.6.x is no longer supported upstream :O
21:20:57 <MrsB> oh :\
21:21:08 <MrsB> does that mean a move to 4?
21:21:27 <Luigi12> indeed
21:21:42 <MrsB> that means our tools will need to be  updated too
21:21:57 <Luigi12> yeah not sure what other adaptations might be needed
21:22:12 <MrsB> smb4k i suppose
21:22:22 <Luigi12> hopefully most things will still just work
21:22:35 <MrsB> fingers x'd. that has potential to be difficult
21:22:49 <Luigi12> it's supposed to be backward compatible.  Not sure if we'll change the package name or what though.
21:22:50 * MrsB hates samba
21:22:54 <Luigi12> indeed
21:23:12 <MrsB> Is there anything for Luigi12 while he's here?
21:23:19 <Luigi12> I had to use samba to generate a krb5 keytab file at work this week.  I wonder if there's another way to do it, maybe directly with krb5 tools.
21:24:09 <MrsB> Thanks then Luigi12
21:24:19 <MrsB> that only leaves..
21:24:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:24:24 <MrsB> :D
21:24:29 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:24:33 <DavidWHodgins> I've added the advisory and validated polkit.
21:24:36 <MrsB> tah
21:24:43 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
21:24:48 <lewyssmith> Not here tonight, goodbye everyone.
21:24:48 <wilcal> I'm done
21:24:59 <MrsB> there are two others wanting advisory if you're on a roll Dave
21:25:17 <olivier_cc> lol
21:25:28 <MrsB> T - 5
21:25:37 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody!
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21:25:47 <DavidWHodgins> Other than the backports, I don't see any ready for advisories.
21:25:49 <MrsB> #endmeeting