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20:05:14 <Kernewes> ready
20:05:29 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:05:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:05:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and introduce yourself
20:05:37 <MrsB> welcome to another one everybody :)
20:05:56 <MrsB> It's probably going to be typo night again so be prepared !
20:06:18 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here tonight?
20:06:44 <MrsB> doesn't look like it
20:06:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - How's it going? Is the page ready yet?
20:06:54 <MrsB> thanks
20:07:16 <MrsB> so, last week we moaned because our forgetful, leader keeps not doing a mentoring page
20:07:36 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_mentoring_page
20:07:39 <MrsB> \o/
20:08:02 <MrsB> I couldn't remember who had who so please update it with whoever you're mentoring
20:08:02 <wilcal> Yipeeee it's a start
20:08:22 <lewyssmith> Well done.
20:08:32 <MrsB> ithankyou
20:08:42 <MrsB> only took several months
20:08:47 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:08 <Kernewes> they've all graduated now
20:09:21 <MrsB> I put the ones I could think of in there, from last week but there are others I've forgotten
20:09:38 <MrsB> How is the mentoring going?
20:09:49 <lewyssmith> I ask mine questions!
20:09:54 <MrsB> lol
20:09:56 <brian__> Hello
20:09:58 <MrsB> hi brian__
20:10:22 <MrsB> Is there anybody not yet testing updates who doesn't have a mentor?
20:10:41 <vzawalin1> me I guess ....
20:10:44 <brian__> wilcal is mine
20:11:01 <MrsB> #info If you don't yet have a mentor to begin testing updates, please let us know!
20:11:19 <MrsB> vzawalin1: cool. now you're down under aren't oyu?
20:11:32 <vzawalin1> yes
20:11:58 <MrsB> Dave you feel up to mentoring vzawalin1, he's likely nearer your timezone
20:12:11 <wilcal> Hello brian welcome
20:12:20 <wilcal> he's do'n great
20:12:25 <DavidWHodgins> vzawalin1: Are you ok with email only mentoring?
20:12:40 <vzawalin1> Perfectly ..
20:12:58 <MrsB> there is always the ML and here for times when Dave is asleep
20:13:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll mentor vlad
20:13:05 <MrsB> great \o/
20:13:17 <vzawalin1> Thanks Dave
20:13:32 <MrsB> that's one to update the table with :)
20:14:05 <MrsB> Are there any mentoring issues or everything going well?
20:14:20 <brian__> I'm always a problem child MrsB
20:14:24 <MrsB> lol
20:14:37 <wilcal> Pete Larson is struggling with repo issues but he's work it out
20:14:45 <wilcal> working it out
20:14:52 <MrsB> Just remember, there are no such thing as stupid questions, only ones we don't bother to ask when we worry they might be stupid
20:15:07 <wilcal> And all/any help is great help
20:15:10 <MrsB> Please feel free to ask anything
20:15:46 <DavidWHodgins> How does gravity work?
20:15:48 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:15:49 <MrsB> Testing in QA is a continual learning process and nobody knows even enough, never mind everything
20:16:29 <MrsB> as years go on dave, all the bits which used to support themselves gradually droop
20:16:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:16:57 <wilcal> Especially the stuff behind you
20:17:09 <MrsB> Kepp up the good work then mentors and keep your students busy :)
20:17:22 <MrsB> has to be a better sord than students
20:17:24 <MrsB> word
20:17:37 <lewyssmith> It is usually the other way round, Claire.
20:17:38 <brian__> wilcal - I'll need your guidance as we get more into patch/security testing.
20:17:51 <wilcal> ok
20:18:15 <brian__> I prefer the title peon
20:18:37 <MrsB> peon sounds good, what does it mean?
20:18:47 <brian__> indentured servant effectively
20:18:48 <wilcal> My title is retired
20:18:48 <lewyssmith> Pawn, I think.
20:18:55 <brian__> pawn is good
20:19:03 <MrsB> hmm must be something better than that. Have a think on it
20:19:10 <brian__> I guess we'll stick Student
20:19:14 <MrsB> let's move on then, well done guys
20:19:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic RC
20:19:29 <MrsB> tah
20:19:35 <MrsB> So early tests..
20:19:47 <stef74> Dear all,
20:19:47 <stef74> Sorry I'm late
20:19:52 <MrsB> a few major problems still
20:19:55 <lewyssmith> No progress here.
20:19:55 <wilcal> I'd say first go looks pretty good
20:20:02 <MrsB> it's ok, glad you could join us stef74
20:20:04 <DavidWHodgins> I just finished syncing the dual dvd. Currently syncing the i586 dvd.
20:20:10 <wilcal> Funky MCC problem crashing windows
20:20:22 * ennael whippes with nettles because of the naming error of the isos
20:20:26 <MrsB> still some installer issues
20:20:29 <Kernewes> just found out it's out for testing, will try this weekend
20:20:46 <wilcal> I gotta share something about UEFI
20:20:47 <lewyssmith> Just the Classic so far.
20:20:50 <MrsB> did you get the emails Kernewes?
20:20:56 <Kernewes> being in the docs meeting as well, it looks as if I'll be testing MCC in Indonesian and making screenshots as I go :)
20:21:13 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What?
20:21:19 <Kernewes> MrsB: haven't checked my e-mails lately, if you've sent them to me they'll be there I'm sure
20:21:26 <wilcal> At SCALEx13 ( Southern California Linux Expo, #13 ) last Sat I asked
20:21:28 <wilcal> various Distros how they were doing with UEFI. I got mixed responses.
20:21:29 <wilcal> Everyone said yes they do support it on install. But, lots of people
20:21:31 <wilcal> said they turned it off in their BIOS and went to Legacy. Some people
20:21:32 <wilcal> rolled their eyes up. So I got the impression that it is supported, reluctantly.
20:21:56 <lewyssmith> All this reluctance is for nothing.
20:22:24 <MrsB> it's here to stay
20:22:39 <wilcal> I tried a UEFI install in Vbox this morning and it didn't go very well
20:22:49 <DavidWHodgins> What makes uefi difficult is that each bios manufacturer has "done their own thing".
20:23:07 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It has no worth in VB, surely.
20:23:30 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: The spec is 1500pp.
20:23:40 <wilcal> well tmb has indicated that eventually he'll get it to work in Vbox
20:23:48 <MrsB> I have to leave efi testing to you efi guys
20:23:58 <wilcal> I dabble in it
20:23:58 <Kernewes> me too
20:24:06 <wilcal> and read and listen
20:24:21 <lewyssmith> I have lived with it since before Mageia 4.
20:25:00 <wilcal> I'm likely to have a couple more machines in here in a month or two one of which I can test uefi on real hardware
20:25:12 <MrsB> I found a related issue with btrfs, possibly affects efi installs too. grub2 installed to / on a partition (sda7) doesn't install
20:25:31 <lewyssmith> Reminder: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/About_EFI_UEFI
20:26:09 <MrsB> We need somebody to montior & summarise EFI progress really, lewis
20:26:09 <lewyssmith> MrsB: That would not be EFI relevant.
20:26:17 <MrsB> monitor*
20:26:41 <wilcal> At SCALE I picked up install disks from Fedora, Suse Enterprise and Ubuntu all of which are supposed to support UEFI
20:26:54 <wilcal> so I'll dabble with those a bit
20:27:01 <lewyssmith> They do. And others.
20:27:22 <lewyssmith> But you will have fun with Anaconda.
20:28:22 <MrsB> vzawalin1: you've been doing quite well with efi stuff too haven't you. Could you and lewis perhaps keep track of efi issues please
20:28:26 <brian__> Dual-dvd did anyone notice my note
20:28:41 <vzawalin1> OK. Will do
20:28:48 <MrsB> yes, xdm brian__ ?
20:28:49 <lewyssmith> Current installer issues are more GPT than EFI related, I think.
20:29:09 <wilcal> Ya ran into so real problems with dual
20:29:54 <brian__> I'll watch for an update
20:30:01 <MrsB> Anne commented on your bug brian__, should be fixed in next isos
20:30:11 <ennael> which one ?
20:30:15 <brian__> oh I missed it
20:30:23 <MrsB> bug 15369
20:30:25 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15369 normal, release_blocker, ennael1, NEW , Dual install: lighdm got unselected, so can't boot into a graphical display
20:30:29 <brian__> oh that
20:30:33 <wilcal> also note that the crashing MCC windows I did not see in x86-64
20:31:04 <brian__> told you I wa problem child.  regular x86-64 worked very well
20:31:12 <remyservices> is the pad down, or is my slow connection causing me issues?
20:31:24 <MrsB> the more problems we find, the better we're doing
20:31:33 <MrsB> It's been up and down all day remyservices
20:31:48 <brian__> appears to be down at the moment
20:32:01 <remyservices> ok, glad to hear that isn't just me
20:32:07 <wilcal> not responding here also
20:32:07 <lewyssmith> -4 Ennael would not agree!
20:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think the internet likes the weird weather.
20:32:24 <brian__> rumor is you no longer need supercollider chillers in Canada
20:32:28 <MrsB> ennael: stage2 is still beta3 graphic too
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:32:56 <ennael> yep but we will have more isos
20:33:02 <ennael> (I know you love it :p)
20:33:16 <wilcal> will we see the live media by the weekend?
20:33:20 <MrsB> suspected as much :D
20:33:31 <ennael> wilcal: in progress
20:33:38 <wilcal> thks anne
20:33:48 <MrsB> Any other major issues at this stage?
20:33:49 <wilcal> I got lots of time this weekend
20:34:12 <MrsB> we need to really go over it in detail now
20:34:14 <wilcal> Actually looks pretty good if I don't say so myself
20:35:05 <brian__> yes - I'll just start living Mga5 and see what explodes  (any recommendations I'll take)
20:35:18 <Akien> I noticed that a i586 LXDE install has no Libreoffice
20:35:23 <Akien> Is that intended, or a bug?
20:35:28 <Akien> LO is on the medium
20:35:40 <MrsB> intentional i think
20:35:53 <MrsB> it has light weight office apps instead
20:36:00 <Akien> Ok. That makes sense since it has abiword and gnumeric
20:36:02 <MrsB> abiwrod etc
20:36:06 <MrsB> abiword
20:36:12 <MrsB> yep
20:36:17 <Akien> Ok, not a bug then
20:36:21 <tmb> for live medias I dont have an ETA just now, as one of the security updates on mga4 seems to have broken draklive :/
20:36:30 <MrsB> oops
20:36:42 <MrsB> which one?
20:36:53 <tmb> So I'm rolling back one at a time until I find it ...
20:37:10 <brian__> ouch - been there in other projects.  sorry
20:37:34 <ennael> outch
20:38:20 <lewyssmith> Question: if classic installer F2 produces an empty screenshot, should that be bugged or just PADed?
20:38:21 <tmb> I'm testing the 3 big ones first, kernel, glibc and dbus... kernel is ok,
20:38:28 <MrsB> i would guess maybe e2fsprogs, dbus, cpio
20:38:33 <MrsB> oh ok
20:38:54 <Luigi12_work> I'd guess cpio
20:39:34 <lewyssmith> For DrakLive?
20:39:48 <tmb> truuble is I have to either setup a local iso builder here to confirm or downgrade and reboot rabbit, but then I break rsync connections :/
20:40:12 <MrsB> rsync resumes
20:40:45 <tmb> the cpio one I can of course downgrade without reboot, so that's an easy test
20:41:08 <MrsB> it's nice to focus on a few isos at a time anyway, gives us a couple of days head start with classic isos
20:41:36 <MrsB> victim = anne
20:41:52 <ennael> no pb :)
20:41:58 <ennael> better is to fix this
20:43:13 <MrsB> So anything else to add about RC now or shallw e move on?
20:43:37 <brian__> is there any that hasn't been tested you'd like me to try?
20:43:42 <MrsB> #info please make sure to create bugs for any you find and please make good use of the pad (when it's working)
20:43:53 <tmb> oh, I see sudo is there in updates list too, that's a suspect too
20:44:01 <wilcal> The MCC crashing windows problem. Has that been bugged yet
20:44:04 <ennael> tmb: when was it updated?
20:44:18 <lewyssmith> brian__: The PAD gives a good idea of what has been or not tested.
20:44:23 <tmb> ennael, last weekend... by me :/
20:44:28 <MrsB> brian__: you can see on the pad, just pick somethign not tested yet. Really though, everything is hardware dependent, so it doesn't matter too much as they all need testing as widely as possible
20:44:31 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: We need as many people as possible, to test each iso, as everyone has different hardware.
20:44:40 <MrsB> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5rc
20:44:59 <Akien> The pad is hard to reach lately though
20:45:07 <brian__> yes - seemed like dual before.  I look at rc-i586-dvd next
20:45:18 <MrsB> #info please check everythign carefully now, we're nearing the end! All applications etc.
20:45:23 <Luigi12_work> only thing I noticed with the sudo update was the first time I ran it after the update was it gave that message it gives the first time you ever run sudo
20:45:38 <Luigi12_work> it's back to normal after that
20:46:30 <MrsB> let's move on then
20:46:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:46:38 <MrsB> thanks
20:46:54 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:46:55 <wilcal> can we push the php thingy
20:46:56 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:47:08 <MrsB> when it's tested yes
20:47:18 <wilcal> we could test forever
20:47:27 <MrsB> it's not tested 64bit yet
20:47:38 <Luigi12_work> also someone said the PoC wasn't fixed
20:47:43 <Luigi12_work> hoping Oden will have a look at that
20:47:50 <wilcal> I did and it worked for me I just didn't post it
20:48:12 <MrsB> yes olivier, nice testing by him there
20:48:22 <wilcal> what'a you say Luigi?
20:48:37 <wilcal> can we take that one off the table
20:48:41 <Luigi12_work> I'll ping Oden when I see him, but I'll also have a look at it tomorrow or Saturday
20:48:47 <wilcal> k
20:49:08 <wilcal> I don't like to validate that by myself
20:49:24 <MrsB> timezone was updated recently wasn't it, could that be related?
20:49:41 <MrsB> oh no, thats the previous poc
20:49:45 <wilcal> who's into warzone2001? :-)
20:50:10 <Luigi12_work> I'll revert the virtualbox update in my VM and try upgrading it again, but it looked broken when I tried it the first time
20:50:12 <brian__> sounds like a game
20:50:24 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: It is.
20:50:43 <wilcal> Note that the recent update to Vbox looks good here
20:50:51 <Luigi12_work> it'd be nice if someone could check if they can reproduce the upstream bugs Olav posted on librsvg.  I doubt they'll affect us, but worth a look.
20:50:57 <MrsB> I was going to remove 'feedback' from that one Luigi12_work, seems ok here
20:51:06 <MrsB> vbox i mean
20:51:10 <Luigi12_work> it was definitely broken when I tested it
20:51:16 <Luigi12_work> I'll try it again and see if it decides to behave
20:51:21 <MrsB> yeah :)
20:52:09 <MrsB> Some easy ones there at the moment, good for students/peons/pawns whatever word we decide to use
20:52:53 <wilcal> How's the pipe coming at us look Luigi?
20:52:58 <MrsB> Is there anything scray, apart from jython still
20:53:11 <MrsB> roundup is next
20:53:28 <Luigi12_work> jython hopefully isn't crazy, just check the reference I mentioned on there
20:53:46 <Luigi12_work> should be an easy thing to check (famous last words)
20:53:51 <MrsB> :D
20:53:54 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:54:04 <MrsB> i'll look at it in the morning, remind me
20:54:13 <lewyssmith> mapserver looks vast to understand & test.
20:54:26 <MrsB> haven't we done that one before?
20:54:32 <wilcal> Think of it as a career opportunity
20:54:50 <Luigi12_work> we did mapserver way back in the day
20:54:55 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7061#c3
20:54:56 <[mbot> Bug 7061: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, mapserver missing update for security issues fixed in 5.6.7, mapserver-5.6.6-1.mga1.src.rpm
20:54:56 <wilcal> maybe we just make sure it updates clean
20:55:08 <Luigi12_work> during my first 6 months of doing security updates for Mageia
20:55:22 <MrsB> yeah, stormi tested it :O
20:55:31 <Luigi12_work> yeah, tells you it was a long time ago :P
20:55:52 <Luigi12_work> funny thing was I immediately remembered that it was one we updated back then
20:56:09 <lewyssmith> Its tutorial page suggest 1 day min, 1 week better to learn it.
20:56:13 <MrsB> yeah me too. I'll forget all about jython though so i'd better write myself a note
20:56:13 <Stormi> which one?
20:56:15 <Luigi12_work> I was like oh, this was one of those "missing update" ones I found back in the day
20:56:20 <MrsB> mapserver ^^
20:56:28 <Stormi> rings a distant bell
20:56:35 <MrsB> obgr packaged it
20:57:04 <Luigi12_work> blast from the past day
20:57:09 <Stormi> I think it wasn't that hard
20:57:14 <MrsB> Anything else updates or shall we do the roundup?
20:57:16 <lewyssmith> Stormi: It was you who tested it before. 2012.
20:57:22 <wilcal> One last question for Luigi:
20:57:23 <wilcal> I hear bad things are happening and I don't know if we are in any way involved.
20:57:25 <wilcal> Flash updates are forcing install of Norton utilities demonstration version.
20:57:26 <wilcal> Lanovo has just about p...off the whole world with their root/bios kit.
20:57:28 <wilcal> I don't think any of that involves us.
20:57:38 <Luigi12_work> that's Windows crap
20:57:45 <Luigi12_work> use Windows at your own peril
20:57:50 <MrsB> :\
20:57:53 <wilcal> it's really awful
20:58:00 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's really really bad
20:58:04 <Luigi12_work> jaw-droppingly bad
20:58:06 <MrsB> Let's stick to linux and do the roundup
20:58:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:58:15 <Luigi12_work> w00t
20:58:22 <MrsB> go go go!
20:58:49 <Luigi12_work> so I even looked through updates still in QA in Fedora 21 yesterday and didn't find much, this has been a slow week \o/
20:59:02 <DavidWHodgins> Good. :-)
20:59:05 <wilcal> nice
20:59:17 <MrsB> you actively looked for work for us?
20:59:21 <wilcal> give us some time on M5RC
20:59:25 <Luigi12_work> I did find mapserver there, as well as fcgi and vorbis-tools which were minor issues.  Those fixes got pushed to Cauldron today.  I'll wait for the F21 updates to come out before pushing the mga4 ones.
20:59:42 <MrsB> we just did sympa :(
20:59:47 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: LOL, well I wanted to get any last fixes into Cauldron that I could
20:59:59 <Luigi12_work> since tmb has things on full lock down and doesn't want to push anything anymore :o)
21:00:10 <MrsB> yes, good on him \o/
21:00:13 <Luigi12_work> well, except things that shouldn't be pushed, but that's another story...
21:00:21 <Luigi12_work> anyway, so yeah nothing on the radar
21:00:43 <MrsB> #info it's a quiet week sec wise so nothing major on the radar
21:00:44 <DavidWHodgins> That's unusual, but nice.
21:00:49 <Luigi12_work> yep
21:00:51 <MrsB> yes, nicely timed too
21:01:01 <Luigi12_work> of course some packagers are already planning their first mga5 updates
21:01:14 <MrsB> you always say things like this though and then drop 4 or 5 the following day
21:01:20 <Luigi12_work> LOL
21:01:23 <Luigi12_work> that does happen sometimes
21:01:32 <wilcal> I've got some things I'll bring up after the release. None of them critical
21:01:33 <Luigi12_work> I can't predict the future, I can only speak of what I already know about :o)
21:01:41 <Luigi12_work> but Fridays are *usually* light
21:01:42 <MrsB> meh
21:02:09 <Luigi12_work> and even if I was on the distros list and knew about other stuff, I couldn't speak of it anyway :D
21:02:24 <MrsB> that's something we really must do one day
21:02:37 <Kernewes> MrsB: what?
21:02:45 <MrsB> it would take some of the rush out of testing maybe
21:03:09 <Luigi12_work> yeah it'd be nice
21:03:28 <Luigi12_work> ok next topic :P
21:03:31 <MrsB> there is a security ML which is closed to the public, requires high confidentiality and special build servers, locked down bugzilla etc
21:03:35 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Get Luigi12_work, and a few others on the distros security mailing list)
21:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:04:03 <Luigi12_work> we do have private comments on bugzilla implemented at least
21:04:26 <Luigi12_work> of course the bug titles aren't private
21:04:30 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:04:36 <wilcal> not from me
21:04:39 <Kernewes> nor me
21:04:43 <MrsB> marja?
21:04:46 <Luigi12_work> any sense of where we're at with release blockers?
21:04:48 <DavidWHodgins> Just need warmer weather. :-)
21:04:54 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: amen
21:05:00 <marja> MrsB: sorry, having doveam meeting
21:05:02 <marja> docteam
21:05:04 <wilcal> Need some rain here
21:05:07 <stef74> errata for the rc is started?
21:05:27 <brian__> wilcal:  wish we could send some your way
21:05:49 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Errata
21:05:54 <vzawalin1> errata: I looked at it earlier - I think yes
21:06:08 <Akien> stef74: Errata evolves constantly, the current one is the one that will be used also for Mageia 5. We just add new issues there and remove fixed ones as time goes on.
21:06:31 <MrsB> we just report bugs and keep notes on the pad, and also shout loudly if we find anythign major for now stef74
21:06:56 <stef74> I'm not sure it's solves: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13976
21:06:57 <[mbot> Bug 13976: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , drakhardware installs incorrect driver for Broadcom BCM43228 Wi-Fi card, ldetect-lst
21:07:35 <MrsB> do you have the isos stef74?
21:08:17 <stef74> MrsB: not with me! I can try this week-end.
21:08:25 <MrsB> yes, please do
21:08:47 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:08:53 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: There are still 31 releaes blocker bugs, 7 of which are trackers. We'll have to review them when testing the RC iso images.
21:09:15 <Luigi12_work> ok, I guess we'll see then
21:09:20 <MrsB> #info There are still 31 releaes blocker bugs, 7 of which are trackers
21:09:21 <lewyssmith> Peace be with you: I am away for about 10d, will stop the ML, but will try next week's IRC session.
21:09:22 <Luigi12_work> test and be merry
21:09:34 <wilcal> enjoy
21:09:36 <MrsB> T - 5 then
21:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Ok. Thanks for letting us know.
21:09:42 <wilcal> bye all
21:09:46 <MrsB> 4
21:09:48 <MrsB> 3
21:09:50 <MrsB> 2
21:09:54 <MrsB> Thanks for coming :)
21:09:55 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:09:57 <Kernewes> goodbye everyone
21:09:57 <MrsB> 1
21:09:58 <brian__> bye
21:10:00 <MrsB> #endmeeting