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20:07:54 <MrsB> Morning everybody, welcome to another one
20:08:21 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:08:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:08:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new, come and introduce yourself
20:08:31 <MrsB> thanks
20:08:37 <MrsB> Is anybody new here tonight?
20:09:28 <MrsB> no?
20:09:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring
20:10:20 <MrsB> Is there anybody who is in need of a mentor?
20:10:35 <MrsB> we are moving between testing ISOs and testing updates for stable releases
20:11:00 <admel> ih MrsB
20:11:05 <MrsB> hi admel
20:11:11 <hviaene> I get sufficient support from the "anciens" here
20:11:14 <MrsB> mornign who just joined
20:11:32 <vladz> Good Morning
20:11:37 <admel> I'm not sure Akien has accepted to be my mentor, so...
20:12:04 <wilcal> Has the mentor page been created yet
20:12:06 <MrsB> To get people started with testing updates we assign new people a mentor until they grow in confidence and can work alone
20:12:08 <MrsB> hi vladz
20:12:20 <MrsB> ummm no :\
20:12:33 <vladz> Hi MrsB
20:12:38 <wilcal> I have two I've helped and they're doing quite well
20:12:39 <MrsB> we haven't had anybody to mentor for a few weeks
20:12:46 <stephane> I also need a mentor to start testing updates
20:13:09 <lewyssmith> That makes 2.
20:13:25 <MrsB> so we need mentors for admel and stephane, anybody else?
20:13:37 <admel> i'll see with him (he's french like me)
20:13:59 <MrsB> yes, if you don't mind admel. Or perhaps lewis could ?
20:14:10 <lewyssmith> I can do you if necessary; j'habite la France.
20:14:17 <MrsB> or olivier_cc too now
20:14:41 <olivier_cc> lol, need more confidence for that :)
20:15:29 <MrsB> lewis, care to look after admel then please
20:15:53 <MrsB> you'll need to swap emails probably
20:16:03 <lewyssmith> Fine by me; want his e-mail address please.
20:16:49 <MrsB> admel, can you let lewis know your email please
20:17:06 <admel> yes of course
20:17:20 <olivier_cc> you'll be in good hands admel, I can assure you
20:17:28 <admel> lol
20:17:44 <MrsB> So any volunteers to take stephane ?
20:18:01 <lewyssmith> What language?
20:18:08 <MrsB> what is your natural language stephane?
20:18:26 <MrsB> guessing fr too
20:18:27 <stephane> FR
20:18:47 <stephane> english :-)but I don't mind i will work my
20:18:49 <lewyssmith> It is easy to do two at once, the same messages go twice.
20:18:57 <admel> But, before to be the lewis's slave, i just wanna see with Akien (he had begun to teach some things to me).
20:19:03 <MrsB> if you don't mind that lewis, that's great
20:19:15 <lewyssmith> So if I take stephane also, it will not be much extra.
20:19:23 <admel> and has you can see, my english isn't very good, i need more pratice. :-)
20:19:32 <MrsB> stephane, could you let lewis know your email too please
20:19:41 <stephane> i already send it
20:19:47 <MrsB> great \o/
20:20:11 <MrsB> you're doing well with mentoring lewis :)
20:20:13 <lewyssmith> Thanks to both of you; more proficient with IRC than me!
20:20:34 <MrsB> Is there anybody else?
20:21:28 <admel> lewyssmith: did you get my email by mp  ? :-)
20:22:22 <stephane> same question ?
20:22:25 <MrsB> Things are going well then
20:22:36 <MrsB> #info Anybody in need of a mentor, please let me know
20:23:03 <MrsB> #action MrsB to create the long promised wiki page to keep track of mentoring
20:23:40 <MrsB> let's move on then, thanks guys
20:23:44 <olivier_cc> that will be a page mostly dedicated to lewis then :)
20:23:49 <MrsB> yeah :D
20:24:00 <MrsB> he's our go-to tutor
20:24:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Team leadership elections
20:24:20 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:24:42 <MrsB> So as you hopefully saw, it's time for the team leaders to be elected again
20:24:59 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Are you running for the second deputy leader position
20:25:01 <MrsB> we have positions for one leadr and two deputy leaders
20:25:19 <MrsB> so far we have one candidate for leader and one for a deputy position
20:25:35 <wilcal> Not officially. If someone would like to take that position I encourage them to do so. It will not change the amount of work I do here
20:25:49 <wilcal> If I am re-elected that's fine too
20:25:57 <MrsB> #info Please remember to put yourself forward on the ML if you intend to candidate for one of the team leadership positions
20:26:15 <MrsB> #info voting will start next week
20:26:29 <MrsB> I'd encourage anybody to have a go
20:26:31 <wilcal> I'm kinda see'n if someone else would like to do it. I don't want to stand in the way of that
20:26:37 <DavidWHodgins> Note that being a leader, or deputy leader, automatically gets a position on the council too.
20:26:41 <wilcal> Yep
20:27:07 <wilcal> But you can still hang out at the council meets too
20:27:41 <MrsB> It's a personal decision to do so so there is no pressure on anybody, but if you're thinking of doing so please don't hesitate to step forward
20:28:23 <olivier_cc> I'm pretty happy with the present team
20:28:40 <lewyssmith> Me too.
20:28:53 <MrsB> elections happen every year though
20:28:53 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ!
20:29:00 <wilcal> I think I got drafted last year  :-))
20:29:05 <MrsB> lol
20:29:13 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:29:18 <MrsB> morning stef74 tjandrews
20:29:26 <stef74> All,
20:29:35 <tjandrews> Sorry I'm late. Life intrudes, as usual.
20:30:04 <MrsB> as new people just joined, is there anybody who is in need of a mentor to get started testing updates?
20:30:18 <tjandrews> First time on IRC. Forgive me if I mess up.
20:30:33 <MrsB> ahhh in that case then welcome to the team.
20:30:57 <MrsB> lets do some introductions
20:31:27 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:31:42 <MrsB> introduce yourself in a sentence or two and the others will all do the same
20:32:07 <olivier_cc> hi tjandrews, olivier charles, French (Haute Savoie), I've been in QA team for 5 months or so
20:32:42 <lewyssmith> We know TJ well from the maiList.
20:32:45 <admel> :-)
20:32:54 <tjandrews> Tom Andrews, from Pompey, near Syracuse, NY,USA. I'm a farmer, third generation of my family to own and operate this farm.
20:33:08 <wilcal> primary crop?
20:33:18 <MrsB> This is your official welcome then Tom. Eveybody gets one :)
20:33:43 <tjandrews> By land use, horse hay. By profit-making, vegetables.
20:34:02 <tarazed> Len from Edinburgh Scotland, ruby coder, one time astronomer.
20:34:15 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:34:17 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:34:21 <MrsB> I'm Claire, current team leader. Been with QA since it started. Live in the Black Country, UK where it's grey and dreary.
20:34:54 <remyservices> David Remy, Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA - Windows IT Admin for 800+ computers with a heart for Mageia
20:34:57 <tjandrews> I also have a very old, little used, anything-but-current electrical engineering degree.
20:35:26 <lewyssmith> Lewis, a prickly Celtic ex-pat in France. Long IT experience, Linux user >15y.
20:35:29 <remyservices> *8,000+
20:35:32 <vladz> I'm Vlad Zawalinski, Melbourne Australia
20:35:54 <admel> Glad too meet you all.
20:36:03 <DavidWHodgins> Like Claire, I've been with the qa team since it was formed, and she convinced me to run for deputy leader. :-)
20:36:35 <tjandrews> Started my Linux journey with Mandrake 8.2 in 2002. Except for a brief foray with Fedora Core 4, nave been with Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia ever since.
20:36:47 <lewyssmith> remyservices: 8000!
20:36:52 <olivier_cc> So you are Andrews Farm on the mailing list ?
20:37:18 <lewyssmith> He is.
20:37:44 * MrsB likes the introductions
20:37:50 <olivier_cc> Not unknown then ;-)
20:38:09 <tjandrews> Andrews Farm is our business name. Clever selection of email address, don't you think?
20:38:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:38:26 <Akien> I'm a bit late to the meeting, but I can mentor admel if Lewis already takes care of stephane
20:39:13 <MrsB> It's your choice then admel
20:39:17 <lewyssmith> Akien: Up to you, it is no trouble doing both in parallel.
20:39:43 <Akien> As for the presentation, I'm Rémi Verschelde, early Mageian who started with translation, then QA, and now does a bit of everything apart from sysadmin work :p
20:40:19 <MrsB> #info lewis will mentor stephane
20:40:22 <tjandrews> Except for testing the 4.1 isos, I've been mostly lurking in qa.
20:40:23 <stephane> Stephane from Toulouse France Linux IT admin
20:40:36 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Noted.
20:40:40 <MrsB> ohh we'll soon change that
20:40:56 <tjandrews> Uh-oh...
20:41:04 <MrsB> So who's taking admel?
20:41:06 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
20:41:29 <lewyssmith> Akien I think.
20:41:42 <MrsB> #info Akien will mentor admel
20:41:55 <DavidWHodgins> Akien: Do you have admel's email address?
20:42:07 <MrsB> anybody else in need of a mentor while we're talking about it?
20:42:26 <MrsB> mewntors will help you to get started testing updates, which is the bulk of our work
20:42:32 <MrsB> mentors*
20:42:50 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: Yep, we're also in touch on the MLO forum and #MLO channel
20:43:01 <MrsB> tjandrews, mentor?
20:43:08 <MrsB> vladz: mentr?
20:43:15 <MrsB> o
20:43:46 <tjandrews> Not now. Still not sure I have enough time to really get into this.
20:43:59 <MrsB> we'll ask again next week then :)
20:44:09 <vladz> Still getting to know the 'scene'  - thinking about needed skills ....../
20:44:22 <MrsB> entheusiasm is the most important vladz
20:44:48 <MrsB> nobody expects to know all packages and everything about everything
20:44:49 <vladz> Next week maybe
20:44:51 <wilcal> testing anything at any level is hugely helpful
20:44:52 <DavidWHodgins> And willingness to learn how to test packages you've never heard of before. :-)
20:45:04 <wilcal> Ya that's an  adventure
20:45:09 <MrsB> next week then
20:45:12 <wilcal> giant puzzle
20:45:17 <MrsB> Is everybody clear about the election?
20:45:20 <tjandrews> MrsB reminding me of my mother - persistent.
20:45:44 <MrsB> that's a good thing though :)
20:45:57 <MrsB> let's move on then
20:45:58 <vladz> Who can vote?
20:46:03 <DavidWHodgins> As more people have joined, and wilcal is reluctant to continue as a deputy leader, is there anyone else willing to try it?
20:46:19 <DavidWHodgins> vladz: Pretty well anyone on the mailing list.
20:46:22 <MrsB> anybody who considers themselves part of the team can stand as a candidate or vote
20:46:41 <wilcal> not so much reluctant as not wanting to stand in the way of someone else being deputy
20:46:44 <MrsB> we still could do with one more candidate for a deupty leader
20:46:50 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Bill was *not* reluctant, I think.
20:47:04 * Luigi12_work votes for lewyssmith as deputy leader
20:47:07 <MrsB> it's a personal choice
20:47:12 <lewyssmith> Be quiet!
20:47:18 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:47:18 <Luigi12_work> I'm serious actually
20:47:28 <lewyssmith> To Luigi, not you Claire.
20:47:35 <Luigi12_work> great job leading with the mentoring stuff
20:47:52 <MrsB> Well everybody think about it please, there are only two days before we start to vote and if we have more positions than candidates it will be a short vote!
20:48:25 <MrsB> let's move on
20:48:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:48:39 <MrsB> tah
20:49:03 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates where to find the updates
20:49:06 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:49:12 <wilcal> I'll get to Vbox this weekend
20:49:22 <MrsB> we usually go through and see if there are any scary ones
20:49:23 <wilcal> probably Sunday
20:49:43 <Luigi12_work> same here
20:49:47 <wilcal> we need more then me to test libreoffice
20:49:47 <MrsB> is there anything there that looks particularly scary
20:49:49 <tarazed> Yeah, I'm just doing the 64bit desktop and installing mga4 32bit.
20:50:01 <MrsB> nice len
20:50:20 <Luigi12_work> I tested LO and found the UTF-16 issue with the spreadsheets, not sure if something will be done about it
20:50:33 <DavidWHodgins> I've been having a lot of problems with my internet connection, so haven't got the latest updates for testing yet.
20:50:38 <MrsB> I've not looked at that one yet
20:50:51 <wilcal> Ya that thing's got wrinkles in it. Little we can do to fix it all
20:51:01 <wilcal> It's really big
20:51:13 <MrsB> #info please all test the libreoffice update
20:51:17 <Luigi12_work> true.  It's also hard to install because libreoffice-core is huge and curl can't seem to handle downloading it reliably
20:51:21 <wilcal> For what I do with it it seemed fine
20:51:49 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Change the downloader in urpmi to wget. A little slower, but much more reliable.
20:51:57 <wilcal> Ya best installed with the CI and DVD's
20:51:58 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yeah I had to do that on one computer
20:51:59 <MrsB> there were a few early packaging issues too so we need to make sure everything can be updated cleanly now
20:52:08 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: I think urpmi should default to wget for http and curl only for ftp
20:52:29 <Luigi12_work> yeah it updates cleanly now on the three I installed it on
20:52:40 <Luigi12_work> not sure if I have all of the subpackages, should have most of them at least
20:52:56 <MrsB> did you install all of it David?
20:53:03 <MrsB> ok
20:53:14 <MrsB> seemed to be an awful lot of it this time around
20:53:34 <DavidWHodgins> With large updates, there are often problems with the mirrors syncing while the update is in progress on the main mirror, so some of the packages will be missing, till the mirror syncs again.
20:53:51 <Luigi12_work> yeah shouldn't be any problems with that, it's been up for a while
20:53:56 <MrsB> So anything else there scary?
20:54:13 * Luigi12_work would like to see timezone get validated soon, it's really easy
20:54:34 <Luigi12_work> it includes php-timezonedb and I've got a php update coming once it gets freeze pushed in Cauldron
20:54:46 <Luigi12_work> timezone/php-timezonedb has a really easy test procedure
20:54:47 <MrsB> yeah, i think theres a procedure for testing it too
20:54:58 <MrsB> there is
20:55:14 <Luigi12_work> ahh, I see the Qt4 update just landed for QA
20:55:20 <MrsB> just saw that too
20:55:29 <MrsB> That links in with Libreoffice
20:55:53 <lewyssmith> The jython thing is nebulous.
20:56:04 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: please see the Novell bug for the jython thing
20:56:08 <MrsB> there's nothing there at the moment really that anybody couldn't test, apart from jython of course
20:56:17 <lewyssmith> I noted your comment. Will do.
20:56:21 <MrsB> sympa needs another quick test
20:56:58 <MrsB> let's go on and do the roundup then
20:56:58 <admel> i say it again : i'm glad to meet you all, and say have a good night every one ! And thank you MrsB to find me a mentor. :-)
20:57:06 <admel> See you soon !
20:57:12 <MrsB> yw, welcome to the QA team admel
20:57:14 <DavidWHodgins> admel: Have a good night.
20:57:20 <olivier_cc> see you very soon
20:57:40 <admel> yes, "very soon".
20:57:42 <admel> Bye
20:57:48 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:58:01 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:58:16 <MrsB> For those who dont already know, Luigi12 is David Walser, you'll see alot of him. He builds most of our security updates
20:58:34 <Luigi12_work> ahh nice, the Qt update does indeed fix the file open dialog in LO
20:58:35 <MrsB> we work closely and always get on famously ;)
20:58:45 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: :D
20:58:47 <MrsB> :D
20:59:00 <olivier_cc> he's also the cause of most of my headaches !
20:59:07 <Luigi12_work> score
20:59:18 <MrsB> don't say that, it encourages him!
20:59:48 <wilcal> Many thanks for the help understanding sudo Luigi
21:00:09 <Luigi12_work> you're welcome
21:00:31 <MrsB> We have only twice ever completely cleared our list of updates waiting to be tested, David fills it up as quick as we reduce it
21:00:59 <wilcal> Yup, he's got'em all waiting in his closet if the list gets too short
21:01:15 <MrsB> It'd be nice to clear it before we get into testing the next ISOs for RC
21:01:34 <MrsB> apart from the backport ones anyway
21:01:47 <Luigi12_work> luckily not too much (known) coming at the moment
21:01:59 <Luigi12_work> PHP update is ready once it's freeze pushed in Cauldron as I mentioned earlier
21:02:14 <Luigi12_work> we just updated cabextract and another issue was found, so I plan to update that this weekend
21:02:27 <Luigi12_work> I read a news article today that said the next round of Mozilla updates are scheduled for next week
21:02:31 <Luigi12_work> that's all I know of right now
21:02:46 <MrsB> #info php update is ready once it's freeze pushed in cauldron. cabextract is coming again for a new vulnerability
21:02:57 <MrsB> #info mozilla updates coming next week
21:03:33 <MrsB> sounds promising. It's always quiet just before the storm though
21:03:58 <Luigi12_work> looks like tmb is doing pushes now, so php should be coming soon
21:03:59 <wilcal> Ya Adobe Flash never lets us down for lack of critical updates
21:04:20 <Luigi12_work> yeah Flash needs to die (I think we discussed this last time :o)
21:04:39 <MrsB> yep, did that one
21:04:40 <Luigi12_work> hopefully things will be quiet on the security front...PHP and Mozilla is plenty to have back to back just by itself
21:05:01 <MrsB> that'll give us a chance to clear Libreoffice etc then
21:05:22 <Luigi12_work> yep, should be in good shape soon
21:05:27 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like libreoffice and qt4 should get pushed together.
21:05:29 <MrsB> fingers x'd
21:05:36 <MrsB> yes probably so Dave
21:05:38 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yes, I'll mark it as such
21:05:47 <Luigi12_work> librsvg looks like it should be easy to test
21:06:01 <MrsB> we've had that one before so should be a procedure somewhere
21:06:06 <tmb> iirc there is a new glibc sec fix and some new kernel stuff too coming...
21:06:13 <MrsB> :(
21:06:25 <MrsB> just seen the back of the last ones
21:06:31 <Luigi12_work> yes Olav posted a procedure for librsvg
21:06:35 <wilcal> I'll run qt4 on my libreoffice clients
21:06:45 <MrsB> #info new glibc and kernels coming /o\
21:06:55 <Luigi12_work> yeah there were two more security issues in glibc brought to light right after we fixed the last ones
21:07:14 <Luigi12_work> they're fixed upstream in 2.21 and were just exposed as security issues
21:07:32 <Luigi12_work> not sure how serious though
21:07:50 <tmb> yep, I need to check them out
21:08:35 <Luigi12_work> maybe next RH and SuSE can work on a live patching technology for glibc :D
21:08:38 <tmb> for kernels I can delay all other kernels and only push core one for starters depending on severity
21:08:47 <MrsB> if so could we have them asap please thomas so we can do them before isos land
21:08:48 <olivier_cc> speaking of kernels, is there a wiki page about setting virtual guest on kernel-vserver ? That one got me interested.
21:09:02 <Luigi12_work> yeah plus kernels are good to test with vbox updates
21:09:17 <MrsB> not that we've done olivier_cc
21:09:26 <DavidWHodgins> Though they also need to be tested on real hardware too.
21:09:44 <Luigi12_work> well that's part of it, you have to update the kernel on the host too
21:09:49 <tmb> olivier_cc, http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org
21:10:12 <olivier_cc> Saw that one tmb but always ended up with errors
21:10:35 <tmb> but we will drop it for mga5... containers are the way forward
21:10:42 <MrsB> \o/
21:10:47 <MrsB> how many others?
21:10:54 <Luigi12_work> yeah the systemd-nspawn stuff seems to be advancing quickly
21:12:06 <olivier_cc> Promising for us testers :)
21:12:15 <tmb> the -tmb kernel will scale down to a single -desktop flavour, and I will probably nuke -rt too as only one wanted to keep it
21:12:53 <DavidWHodgins> That will make kernel building and testing easier.
21:12:56 <tmb> so thats 5 kernels less on i586 and 4 on x86_64
21:13:05 <MrsB> It's not so bad having just one version of them all, just multiple versions makes testing a single update a nightmare
21:13:10 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Much.
21:13:21 <wilcal> and testing in Vbox and real hardware
21:13:27 <olivier_cc> what about raspi-tm-bian kernel ?
21:13:30 <wilcal> gotta work in both
21:14:32 <Luigi12_work> Fedora actually added a new kernel flavor, that's really stripped down and only supports virtual environments
21:14:43 <MrsB> Are there any questions for Luigi12_work?
21:14:56 <DavidWHodgins> Not here
21:14:56 <wilcal> not from here
21:15:04 * Luigi12_work hugs MrsB
21:15:07 <tmb> wilcal, well, technically kernel-tmb, -rt and -vserser dont need to work in vbox as the 2 first ones focuses on speed, and the last one is supposed to be used instead of vbox :)
21:15:31 <tmb> and vbox is not really known for speed :)
21:15:56 <Luigi12_work> seems faster than vmware and qemu to me though
21:16:15 <wilcal> I think that may depend on the platform
21:16:21 <Luigi12_work> I haven't tried xen
21:16:32 <MrsB> lets wrap things up then
21:16:37 <wilcal> on mine a Vbox client is somewhat quicker then real hardware
21:16:38 <MrsB> One last topic..
21:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:16:54 <MrsB> dude :)
21:16:54 <DavidWHodgins> Credits
21:16:59 <lewyssmith> Yes please.
21:17:00 <wilcal> I've a couple for tmb
21:17:00 <MrsB> Is there anythign else?
21:17:08 <DavidWHodgins> http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mageia-release/current/SOURCES/CREDITS?view=markup only has 23 people listed
21:17:19 <DavidWHodgins> There are a lot more than 23 here.
21:17:21 <MrsB> Ohh yes, good job you mentioned. I'd forgotten that!
21:17:25 <wilcal> Many thanks to tmb & ennael and team for the tremendous amount of work on UEFI
21:17:42 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Presumably everyone who wants to be mentioned.
21:17:58 <MrsB> #action MrsB to sort out the credits
21:18:00 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone who isn't listed, and wants to be, please reply to Claire's email from Feb 9th.
21:18:27 <DavidWHodgins> s /email/mailing list message/
21:18:33 <MrsB> #info anybody not already listed in the link above, who wants to be listed please let me know as soon as possible
21:18:52 <MrsB> it's a good job you remembered
21:18:57 <olivier_cc> I've answered it already
21:19:12 * MrsB needs a reminder pad
21:19:31 <lewyssmith> Knotes?
21:19:49 <MrsB> hmm maybe. I need something obviously
21:20:11 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:20:15 <wilcal> I have a question on the status of M5 UEFI. In one of the comments tmb made he
21:20:17 <wilcal> indicated, or I think he did, that maybe M5 will release but the UEFI function
21:20:18 <lewyssmith> Yes!
21:20:18 <wilcal> will not work in Vbox at release. True or not true?
21:20:56 <MrsB> not sure wilcal, tmb?
21:21:03 <MrsB> lewis comign to you next
21:21:14 <tmb> wilcal, it will work
21:21:21 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like Herman, Sebastian, oliver, and David Remy have replied. Likely they just need to be added to svn
21:21:39 <MrsB> I'll sort it Dave, thanks for the reminder
21:21:49 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome.
21:21:54 <MrsB> Lewis, your go
21:22:00 <lewyssmith> 1) Can that umbrella bug of release-stopper bugs be given on the MailList? I found a couple of duplicates I could close. That should please the developers.
21:22:02 <wilcal> just kinda messy right now. Thanks tmb
21:22:57 <MrsB> Well, the intention of the meeting on tuesday which didn't work out, was to go through each release blcoker individually and assess progress
21:23:19 <MrsB> If there are any that need to be closed please do so
21:23:19 <lewyssmith> My question remains.
21:23:31 <lewyssmith> I need the list!
21:23:32 <Luigi12_work> it is kind of messy though, some are marked as release_blockers, and some are just marked as blockers of the "release critical" tracker
21:23:34 <MrsB> well yeah i guess so, the dev ML you mean?
21:23:44 <lewyssmith> No, ours.
21:23:52 <tmb> Btw,I will probably build first rc isos this weekend to see how various bugs are fixed and try and sort out some of the remaining ones
21:24:10 <wilcal> Looking forward to the freeze on Monday
21:24:21 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Or to me privately if it is not public.
21:24:37 <MrsB> not sure I understand what you're wanting lewis, just the bug number?
21:24:48 <MrsB> bug 14069
21:24:49 <lewyssmith> Yes, the special URL.
21:24:50 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14069 normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , [Tracker] Mageia 5 release critical
21:24:52 <MrsB> ohh that
21:25:05 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
21:25:14 <lewyssmith> 2) So... If you close a bug as duplicating another, do the relevant cross-reference comments in both bugs get generated automatically, or do you have to cite them manually?
21:25:18 <Luigi12_work> not all of them are attacked to that tracker though
21:25:26 <Luigi12_work> you can also search bugzilla for the "release_blocker" priority
21:25:58 <Luigi12_work> ennael posted a link for that in the meeting Tuesday
21:26:01 <MrsB> http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers
21:26:04 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ]
21:26:12 <Luigi12_work> that was fast :D
21:26:18 <MrsB> meetbot
21:26:23 <Luigi12_work> nice
21:26:27 <lewyssmith> *That* is what I was hoping for. Thanks.
21:26:32 <MrsB> np :)
21:26:49 <MrsB> #info first builds for RC may come this weekend
21:27:02 <lewyssmith> And my second question above?
21:27:08 <DavidWHodgins> Release freeze isn't until Monday.
21:27:21 <wilcal> Com'on Monday
21:27:29 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Automatically
21:27:38 <lewyssmith> Thanks Dave.
21:27:46 <MrsB> You close the duplicate as a duplicate with a comment and it will automatically add a comment to the other bug
21:28:00 <lewyssmith> Never done it before.
21:28:16 <MrsB> create some test bugs if you want to experiment
21:28:17 <tjandrews> One thing I learned about release blockers... Check your DVD for fingerprints first. Sigh.
21:28:46 <MrsB> lol tjandrews
21:28:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-) That's why I've given up on optical drives, and only use usb sticks now.
21:29:04 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: The ISO testing Wiki page tells you how to verify a DVD.
21:29:06 <olivier_cc> I wanted to know if it is expected that automatic partionning leaves unallocated space between partitions (1 or 2 Mo, not more)
21:29:38 <MrsB> i think that's to avoid overlap isn't it? more Daves area
21:29:38 <Luigi12_work> that's probably for alignment reasons
21:29:46 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: It's expected. It's not optimal, but it's always been that way.
21:30:05 <tjandrews> I usually tell k3b to verfy when I burn it, but neglected to do so this time.
21:30:10 <olivier_cc> ok, I usually do custom partionning so I had not noticed
21:30:13 <DavidWHodgins> It's due to the way extended partition chaining works.
21:30:17 <wilcal> Removable media can never be expected to be 100% perfect
21:30:34 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc: It is usually recommended.
21:31:00 <stephane> And a second advice check mount partitions within /etc/fstab if it doesn't boot
21:31:00 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Not even USB sticks...
21:31:23 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else else?
21:31:30 <lewyssmith> Not here.
21:31:36 <stephane> USB device and Windows partition can stop boot process :-(
21:31:37 <wilcal> USB sticks are a different animal.
21:31:38 <tjandrews> If only the afflicted machine hadn't been the same one that didn't like the Mageia 4 DVD...
21:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I've found when one of my usb sticks stopped working, sticking it in the freezer for 10 minutes fixed it.
21:31:51 <wilcal> given enough time the data will not be there anymore'
21:32:00 <MrsB> must have a picky dvd drive in it tjandrews
21:32:10 <wilcal> If one critical bit goes away it's all gone
21:32:27 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I tried that once on your advice, it did not work :-(
21:32:31 <MrsB> Guy's if there is nothing else else else else it must be time for the countdown
21:32:49 <DavidWHodgins> stephane: That's an old, well known problem. There is a bug report about it, regarding adding nofail to the non-needed /etc/fstab entries.
21:32:55 <MrsB> T - 5
21:32:58 <MrsB> 4
21:33:00 <MrsB> 3
21:33:01 <MrsB> 2
21:33:06 <MrsB> thanks for coming!
21:33:08 <MrsB> 1
21:33:10 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:33:11 <MrsB> #endmeeting