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20:07:40 <MrsB> Mroning everybody, welcoem to another one
20:07:55 <MrsB> it'll be typo night again I'm afraid, been a looong day today
20:08:04 <lewyssmith> It like Twas brilling etc.
20:08:07 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:08:07 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:08:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and say hello
20:08:21 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:08:54 <MrsB> doesn't look like it
20:09:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update
20:09:19 <MrsB> #info if you're just joining or thinking of joining the QA team please come along and introduce yourself
20:09:19 <lewyssmith> Can we skip this?
20:09:29 <MrsB> lol we can do
20:09:35 <MrsB> how come?
20:09:53 <olivier_cc> lewys is fed up mentoring :)
20:09:59 <wilcal> Mine has been pretty quiet
20:10:02 <MrsB> he's mr mentor
20:10:03 <lewyssmith> Had nothing to do.
20:10:15 <olivier_cc> we drained you lewys
20:10:33 <lewyssmith> Ben picks away.
20:10:43 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene let me know he's busy for now, so can't do much testing.
20:10:48 <MrsB> #info if anybody is in need of a mentor please let somebody know
20:11:04 <MrsB> herman has been doing very well anyway
20:11:06 <hviaene> David, I'm back
20:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Good.
20:11:29 <MrsB> let's skip it then as there are no apprentices for now :D
20:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 2 is just around the corner
20:11:45 <MrsB> ahh yes
20:11:59 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development
20:12:14 <MrsB> Beta 2 is due for release on the 16th
20:12:27 <MrsB> that means we can expect to get the isos around the end of next week
20:12:27 <wilcal> Spent some time this morning with my M5 installs and still look pretty good
20:12:48 <lewyssmith> You are lucky you have some.
20:12:51 <olivier_cc> I find M really promising too
20:12:59 <wilcal> Updated nicely
20:13:02 <MrsB> is everybody ready for beta 2 testing or have any questions about iso testing?
20:13:05 <olivier_cc> M5*
20:13:15 <wilcal> Confirmed that Totem is really really broken
20:13:18 <lewyssmith> I have a suggestion...
20:13:25 <MrsB> go for it
20:14:31 <lewyssmith> Can we define a mechanism whereby *before* ISOs are announced, that they are tested to boot & *basically* work by a few select pre-testers?
20:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> Target for first builds of beta 2, for qa is Tuesday, Dec. 9th.
20:14:46 <lewyssmith> To avoid loads of people dowloading etc bum ISOs.
20:15:07 <dvg_i> that is pre-release testing...
20:15:23 <DavidWHodgins> Downloading a bad iso, still speeds up downloading the fixed iso images.
20:15:38 <NyB> dvg_i: more like pre-pre-release testing :-)
20:15:52 <lewyssmith> I am not the only one who does not agree with wasting many people's time rather tha just a few.
20:15:59 <DavidWHodgins> Rather then waste cd/dvd discs, always test under vb first.
20:16:07 <MrsB> it depends on the availability of anne and thomas really, i know they do try to but anne is often mobile when doing it or has poor bandwidth so downloading isos takes forever
20:16:29 <MrsB> thomas usually has a list of jobs the length of his arm
20:16:32 <lewyssmith> I am willing to pre-test for EFI, to save others pain for nothing.
20:16:36 <hviaene> I don't use CD/DVD anymore
20:16:47 <dvg_i> and as soon as anyone sees an iso does not work say so here & on the pad
20:16:59 <dvg_i> so others dont touch it till fixed
20:16:59 <hviaene> And more people means more hardware
20:17:01 <MrsB> good point dvg,
20:17:18 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Neither do I. I don't have a reliable dvd drive anymore.
20:17:23 <wilcal> how many here rsync their local iso repo as against downloading the entire image?
20:17:25 <MrsB> #info if you encounter any early problems with ISO please make it well known on the ML and pad
20:17:40 <MrsB> morning tmb
20:17:42 <hviaene> wilcal: I do
20:17:47 <lewyssmith> People do. Sometimes in droves.
20:17:55 <dvg_i> nobody ever needs to download all, just rsync
20:18:08 <olivier_cc> rsync here too (Lewis sent me a nice script for that)
20:18:21 <MrsB> yes, after the first sync then resyncing usually takes only a few minutes
20:18:23 <tmb> morning
20:18:29 <olivier_cc> hi tmb
20:18:30 <lewyssmith> dvg_i: It can take me 1/2 a day just to rsync.
20:18:31 <DavidWHodgins> I have my own local repo, though it excludes the iso images, so I download those on my main system, rather then on the file server.
20:18:31 <wilcal> and I use mirros.kernel.org which can be really fast here
20:19:08 <MrsB> #info don't delete the ISO images when the beta is release, we use them later
20:19:18 <lewyssmith> dvg_i: One Classic rsync took 8H.
20:19:21 <dvg_i> lewyssmith: i cannot believe that is needed, sorry
20:19:33 <dvg_i> it is 2015
20:19:33 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Ouch
20:19:54 <MrsB> it shouldn't lewis, are you sure you're not downloading a complete new ISO?
20:19:55 <dvg_i> only a small percentage of data changes from one disk to the next
20:19:59 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: next month. :-)
20:20:21 <dvg_i> ok typo 2014
20:20:24 <lewyssmith> MrsB: If rsync loses track, I think it gives up.
20:20:42 <MrsB> if you get the paths right it should be ok
20:21:02 <dvg_i> never lost track here from mandriva till today
20:21:06 <DavidWHodgins> Also, the right rename commands.
20:21:13 <ennael> hi there
20:21:18 <lewyssmith> MrsBI know what I am doung, Claire. And talking of one ISO only, not several.
20:21:21 <MrsB> morning ennael
20:21:22 <olivier_cc> hello ennael
20:21:41 <MrsB> you must have very poor bandwidth lewis
20:21:56 <lewyssmith> Yes. And not alone.
20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I've forgotten. Where are you located?
20:22:29 <NyB> lewyssmith, MrsB: sounds more like a latency rather than a b/w issue...
20:22:40 <MrsB> If you don't get to test the first iteration and it's a non booter then don't worry just allow it to sync and sync again when the 2nd set are ready
20:22:41 <lewyssmith> 125k/sec?
20:22:58 <NyB> lewyssmith: is that bits or bytes?
20:22:58 <MrsB> yeah that's slooooow
20:23:06 <lewyssmith> bytes.
20:23:15 <MrsB> is that normal for your connection?
20:23:20 <lewyssmith> Yes.
20:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I get a max of around 555KB/s
20:23:44 <NyB> lewyssmith: 1Mbps line...
20:23:52 <dvg_i> i rsync the whole set of isos within 15 or 20 minutes
20:23:54 <MrsB> ok, well just do what you can to keep up. things should be more stable now but alphas frequently odn't boot as you know
20:23:55 <DavidWHodgins> That's a slow dsl line here.
20:24:15 <MrsB> if we're not booting at this stage then we've got problems!
20:24:26 <lewyssmith> EFI....
20:24:42 <MrsB> yeah, any news on EFI stuff tmb?
20:26:33 * MrsB scared him away
20:26:46 <lewyssmith> Let's move on.
20:26:49 <MrsB> we'll come back to it
20:26:50 <MrsB> yep
20:26:56 <DavidWHodgins>20:27:00 <olivier_cc> Beta 2 testing is more thorough than Beta1, isn't it ?
20:27:22 <MrsB> yes, we need to check all the applications on the iso and need to start thinking about upgrades from mga4 too
20:27:36 <wilcal> ya that's were we should be looking at upgrading an M4 install to M5
20:27:48 <MrsB> there is only the RC after this before the final so we start to get more picky now
20:27:49 <wilcal> see if that goes smoothly
20:27:54 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Yes. Has to include upgrade testing, as well as clean installs.
20:28:18 <wilcal> David share how we test upgrades
20:28:33 <olivier_cc> ok, I'll prepare some M4 installs then
20:28:34 <lewyssmith> It's in the Wiki, sort of.
20:29:15 <DavidWHodgins> Install Mageia 4, preferably with a full backup, then test the upgrade using urpmi, mgaapplet --testing, etc.
20:29:29 <MrsB> It's best to use virtualbox at first and take a snapshot of the mga4 system, then install lots of random packages and perform the upgrade. You can then roll back to the snapshot and do the same again with different packages
20:29:31 <wilcal> How do you handle the repos
20:29:46 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: And the Classic DVD.
20:30:18 <wilcal> so you use say the CI, it sees the M4 install, then upgrades it
20:30:21 <DavidWHodgins> Note that live cd/dvds are not used for upgrading. Only the classic images.
20:31:25 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Depends on if using urpmi, or the classic image.
20:31:31 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_testing_upgrades
20:32:05 <MrsB> i think we can remove the sysvinit-legacy stuff from there now
20:32:11 <olivier_cc> how long have we got to test beta 2 ?
20:32:23 <MrsB> we aim for around a week
20:32:26 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Normally one week
20:32:28 <olivier_cc> lol
20:32:33 <lewyssmith> Looks like a few days...
20:32:42 <MrsB> upgrades can be tested at any time though
20:32:57 <MrsB> what's important when ISO testign is to test the ISOs
20:32:58 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how many builds it takes to "get it right".
20:33:48 <olivier_cc> I'll have a good excuse no to go to christmas shopping I see
20:33:52 <DavidWHodgins> Including the boot.iso, and boot-nonfree.iso
20:34:02 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> Cat woke up. brb after I feed him.
20:34:25 <MrsB> Any other ISO/beta 2 questions?
20:35:04 <MrsB> #topic Testing Updates
20:35:16 <MrsB> So you know what's coming here..
20:35:26 <MrsB> we have about a week to clear the list of updates
20:35:52 <MrsB> is there anything there now that looks scary?
20:36:14 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:36:16 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:36:21 <DavidWHodgins> back
20:36:32 <wilcal> I ran into a wrinkle testing util-linux. Need another 24-hrs to figure it out
20:36:34 <MrsB> that was quick
20:36:46 <MrsB> what sort of wrinkle?
20:37:21 <MrsB> I'd like to say well done to hviaene and olivier_cc who have been doign brilliantly testing updates
20:37:30 <wilcal> MCC & urpmi didn't see  the package in the repo even though it was there
20:37:38 <wilcal> give it 24-hours and I'll try again
20:37:39 <olivier_cc> thanks MrsB
20:38:15 <olivier_cc> didn't manage openvpn testing despite the procedure
20:38:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Could be a mirror problem, if the hdlist.cz hasn't been synced yet.
20:38:41 <wilcal> ya that's why I'll give it another 24-hrs
20:38:57 <wilcal> easy testing though
20:39:23 <MrsB> The rel is ok so it should find it when it's there
20:41:03 <MrsB> I'll check it after the meeting actually, it's gone from 2.4-2 to 2.4.2-1, it's maybe meant to be 2.4-2.1
20:41:31 <Luigi12_work> nope
20:41:36 <MrsB> ok good
20:41:40 <Luigi12_work> it's an update to 2.4.2 plus a patch
20:41:54 <hviaene> What can I really test on those top 3 security issues, apart from installing and see it doesnto break anything???
20:41:55 <MrsB> that saves me checking, thanks
20:42:00 <Luigi12_work> mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br has the last updates pushed to updates_testing, so it shouldn't be hard to find the update
20:42:22 <MrsB> you should find procedures in past updates for them hviaene
20:42:29 <hviaene> OK
20:42:38 <MrsB> click the "Bugzilla" link on the madb page to search
20:42:39 <Luigi12_work> you can do rpm -ql util-linux to see what commands are in that package and play with some of them
20:43:12 <hviaene> I wass thinking along thet line
20:43:19 <wilcal> lets let https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14609 go if it installs cleanly
20:43:20 <[mbot> Bug 14609: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [update candidate] x11-video-driver-geode, x11-video-driver-geode-2.11.15-1.1
20:43:26 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes, let's
20:43:40 <Luigi12_work> tmb: any news on the glibc and kernel updates in updates_testing?
20:43:42 <MrsB> yes, it needs testing 64bit
20:44:18 <MrsB> you want to take care of that wilcal
20:44:23 <Luigi12_work> those and dbus are the only ones without bugs I think
20:44:55 <wilcal> Yep, I'll handle 14609 next time I turn on my Vbox testing computer. SB within 24-hrs
20:45:05 <MrsB> We need to clear the bugfix updates too
20:45:47 <MrsB> #info please do your best to clear the updates list before we hit beta2 iso testing later next week
20:46:25 <MrsB> Anything else there that looks scary?
20:47:12 <MrsB> I should have more time after this week so should be back on duty \o/
20:47:16 <hviaene> 14597: is anyone running a mailserver?
20:47:30 <MrsB> tmb was goign to look at those
20:47:53 <MrsB> we can at least ensure they install and services start and stop though
20:48:37 <hviaene> That I did, I believe
20:48:59 <MrsB> you can add the OK if there were no problems
20:49:36 <hviaene> done
20:49:43 <MrsB> great
20:49:49 <hviaene> easy
20:49:51 <MrsB> Are there any other bad ones?
20:50:14 <wilcal> Is backula ever come'n off that list
20:50:26 <MrsB> not in a hurry
20:50:28 <lewyssmith> It *is* greyed.
20:50:43 <MrsB> yeah. I'll assign it back to thomas
20:51:04 <MrsB> we need to tackle pykolab though, it's another one of his
20:51:17 <MrsB> its actually not bad to test
20:51:29 <MrsB> if i get time tomorrow i'll add some procedures
20:51:40 <lewyssmith> It is OK for x64.
20:51:59 <DavidWHodgins> There is a procedure for krb5 that may help with pykolab.
20:52:01 <MrsB> yeah, iw won't take much for us to clear the list if we all have a go at it
20:52:23 <MrsB> think pyholab is actually pretty easy Dave, search for previous updates
20:52:29 <MrsB> k
20:52:54 <MrsB> it's an 'easy when you know how' type update
20:53:13 <MrsB> Let's move on then
20:53:21 <lewyssmith> A questiion here from Ben first...
20:53:30 <MrsB> oh sure, yeah
20:54:05 <lewyssmith> Firefox & Thunderbird were lumped together & pushed rather hastily. Should they have been separeted?
20:54:30 <MrsB> they always tend to be updated together, both mozilla
20:54:45 <lewyssmith> But they are seperate applications.
20:54:45 <DavidWHodgins> They almost always go together, as they share many libraries.
20:54:50 <MrsB> we prioritise them as theyre installed by default in mageia and widely used
20:55:04 <MrsB> yes separate but linked
20:55:16 <Luigi12_work> they're also built from the same code
20:55:24 <lewyssmith> So OKing one but not the other?
20:55:46 <MrsB> just comment on the bug
20:55:49 <DavidWHodgins> Until both are ok'd, neither get's pushed.
20:55:56 <Luigi12_work> their advisories are the same too usually
20:55:57 <MrsB> only OK if both are without problems
20:55:59 <lewyssmith> It was very iffy.
20:56:16 <MrsB> what was iffy?
20:56:38 <Luigi12_work> we've done them seperate a few times, but it's more cumbersome
20:56:41 <Luigi12_work> it's not fair to call the testing "hasty" either.  For ESR releases there are very few changes and very little chance of regression.
20:57:31 <MrsB> we're all familiar enough with firefox and thunderbird to be able to test them fairly quickly and spot obvious regressions
20:57:50 <Luigi12_work> sometimes some of the vulnerabilities are exploited in the wild shortly too, so it's important to get FF/TB out quickly
20:58:10 <MrsB> most updates for those are 'critical' priority as they're remotely exploitable etc
20:58:14 <MrsB> yep
20:58:28 <lewyssmith> Thunderbird is more limited for testing. Ben happens to use it habitually, and did test it. But it was already out of the door.
20:59:01 <MrsB> was there an unspotted regression?
20:59:06 <Luigi12_work> I use it during the week on my laptop
20:59:12 <Luigi12_work> no, he OK'd it too
20:59:34 <lewyssmith> I noticed your work.
21:00:11 <hviaene> I use TB all the time
21:00:22 <MrsB> it's always a balance between being thorough and being quick. We each have to make a judgement for each update we test. Ones we're more familair with can be judged ft quite quickly
21:00:41 <MrsB> fit
21:00:59 <lewyssmith> Accept all this.
21:01:08 <Luigi12_work> let's move on then
21:02:03 <MrsB> Until an update is actually pushed it's not too late to unvalidate it too, so if it's validated but not yet pushed please speak up if there are any issues
21:02:22 <MrsB> and also after it's pushed, so we can react to it quickly
21:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigis Roundup
21:02:58 <MrsB> all ok lewis?
21:03:05 <lewyssmith> Yes.
21:03:23 <MrsB> It's luigi time :)
21:03:34 <MrsB> #info did everybody see the blog post?
21:03:42 <diogenese> Yes.
21:03:48 <wilcal> Yes, outstanding
21:03:50 <MrsB> http://blog.mageia.org/en/2014/12/02/they-make-mageia-david-walser/
21:03:52 <[mbot> [ They make Mageia: David Walser | Mageia Blog (English) ]
21:04:02 <Luigi12_work> I filed bugs this week for erlang and openvas-manager.  erlang's maintainer has never responded for a security update, so that's a problem.  openvas-manager's maintainer usually does eventually, so not sure how long that one will take.
21:04:24 <MrsB> ennael ^^
21:04:30 <Luigi12_work> I filed a bug for qemu today, serious issue.  Hoping fedora commits the patch to their git no later than tomorrow so I can get that one out.
21:04:51 <Luigi12_work> pdns-recursor will probably go to QA some time next week
21:04:52 <MrsB> #info qemu update coming soon
21:05:05 <MrsB> #info pdns-recursor next week too
21:05:32 <Luigi12_work> just waiting for feedback from oden on the purpose of the pdns-recursor update, it's already packaged
21:05:49 <MrsB> both fairly straightforward to test
21:06:01 <Luigi12_work> tmb: any news on the glibc and kernel updates in updates_testing?
21:06:45 <Luigi12_work> guess not :o(
21:06:57 <MrsB> your turn to scare him off
21:07:05 <Luigi12_work> indeed
21:07:06 <MrsB> oh he's mobile
21:07:11 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:07:14 <Luigi12_work> it was the devilish grin in my picture that scared him away
21:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:07:26 <MrsB> evil grreny
21:07:32 <MrsB> greeny
21:08:02 <MrsB> i was surprised you were allowed to get away without a proper photo
21:08:18 <Luigi12_work> to paraphrase Wall Street (the movie), "green is good"
21:08:23 <MrsB> I'll email sysadmins about p11-kit and gthumb
21:08:43 <Luigi12_work> tmb took care of it
21:08:49 <MrsB> oh good
21:08:53 <Luigi12_work> right after the meeting started when he came on IRC
21:09:06 <Luigi12_work> also cleared out cacti since that's not needed to be pushed at this time
21:09:13 <hviaene> Good evening all, higher instance is calling
21:09:13 <MrsB> well done
21:09:20 <MrsB> nite hviaene
21:09:23 <MrsB> thanks for coming
21:09:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else in the pipeline Luigi12_work?
21:10:03 <Luigi12_work> not that I know of.  Things have picked up again this week...hope it slows back down.
21:10:13 <MrsB> yes fingers x'd
21:10:20 <Luigi12_work> would like to get some feedback to do a nodejs update...but again, no help from packagers
21:10:53 <MrsB> #info packager help needed with nodejs, erlang and openvas-manager
21:10:58 <DavidWHodgins> ,maint nodejs
21:11:00 <[mbot> damsweb is the maintainer of the nodejs package.
21:11:05 <MrsB> damien
21:11:24 <Luigi12_work> yeah dams is gone, and joequant has worked with some of the nodejs stuff in Cauldron, but never responds about security updates (also the erlang maintainer)
21:11:54 <MrsB> #info joequant ping needed for erlang and nodejs
21:12:12 <MrsB> have you spoken with ennael?
21:12:38 <Luigi12_work> I'll bring it up whenever we have another packager meeting, but she's generally aware of the issues
21:13:07 <MrsB> she can usually give wedgies and threaten bad thigns with matches to get people moving
21:13:57 <MrsB> bring it to council if it's a continual issue though
21:14:20 <MrsB> Thanks then Luigi12_work
21:14:24 <MrsB> that only leaves...
21:14:39 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:14:40 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
21:14:45 <MrsB> lol
21:14:52 <MrsB> thougtht you'd nodded off
21:14:55 <wilcal> stutter
21:15:02 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:15:02 <wilcal> nothing from me
21:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> I was responding in #mageia
21:15:31 <lewyssmith> OK here.
21:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me.
21:15:42 <MrsB> olivier_cc?
21:15:44 <olivier_cc> Ok here too
21:15:48 <MrsB> anybody?
21:15:56 <MrsB> T - 5 then
21:15:57 <NyB> I would like to ask a Q. w.r.t. updating from mga4 to mga5
21:16:04 <MrsB> ok
21:16:07 <wilcal> bye all
21:16:11 <MrsB> nite wilcal
21:16:16 <olivier_cc> bye wilcal
21:16:17 <lewyssmith> Goodbye Bill.
21:16:18 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Have a good night.
21:16:23 <NyB> I'm a bit worrier with the UID shift
21:16:34 <MrsB> yes
21:16:45 <NyB> how does the upgrade handle that?
21:16:50 <DavidWHodgins> NyB: The uid shift should not affect upgrades.
21:17:07 <DavidWHodgins> Only clean installs should use the new uid numbers.
21:17:08 <MrsB> it shouldnt be an issue but check KDM/GDM doesn't list non user uid's as users
21:17:15 <MrsB> yep
21:17:16 <NyB> yes, but we have DMs that e.g. are configured separately wrt. the minimum UID to show
21:17:35 <NyB> actually I'm worried about DMs *not* showing existing UIDs
21:17:43 <MrsB> the DM's have been configured with some intelligence to spot real UIDs from system UIDs
21:18:00 <MrsB> testing will show any ssues though, thats why we need to do it
21:18:04 <NyB> MrsB: OK, in that case I rest my case :-)
21:18:27 <MrsB> feel free to test all you like, the more it's tested the better really
21:18:35 <DavidWHodgins> NyB: My understanding is that the DMs have had logic added to check the login shell specified in /etc/passwd, to figure out which uids are real users, and which are not.
21:18:52 <MrsB> everybody know what this is about?
21:19:00 <MrsB> it's something we'll need to watch for
21:19:01 <NyB> DavidWHodgins: OK, that should be good enough.
21:19:36 <NyB> In any case, let's make sure that Mamma Jane will not lose her pretty login icon after the upgrade :-)
21:19:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
21:19:46 <DavidWHodgins> Every dm will have to be tested though, both with clean installs, and upgrades.
21:20:03 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
21:20:10 <MrsB> it's only fitting that the countdown was aborted today
21:20:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:20:26 <MrsB> T - 5
21:20:30 <DavidWHodgins> Go for it.
21:20:33 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody!
21:20:35 <MrsB> 4
21:20:37 <MrsB> 3
21:20:38 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:20:38 <MrsB> 2
21:20:39 <MrsB> 1
21:20:41 <MrsB> #endmeeting