20:07:29 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:07:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Dec 4 20:07:29 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:07:29 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:07:40 <MrsB> Mroning everybody, welcoem to another one 20:07:55 <MrsB> it'll be typo night again I'm afraid, been a looong day today 20:08:04 <lewyssmith> It like Twas brilling etc. 20:08:07 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal 20:08:07 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 20:08:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and say hello 20:08:21 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 20:08:54 <MrsB> doesn't look like it 20:09:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update 20:09:19 <MrsB> #info if you're just joining or thinking of joining the QA team please come along and introduce yourself 20:09:19 <lewyssmith> Can we skip this? 20:09:29 <MrsB> lol we can do 20:09:35 <MrsB> how come? 20:09:53 <olivier_cc> lewys is fed up mentoring :) 20:09:59 <wilcal> Mine has been pretty quiet 20:10:02 <MrsB> he's mr mentor 20:10:03 <lewyssmith> Had nothing to do. 20:10:15 <olivier_cc> we drained you lewys 20:10:33 <lewyssmith> Ben picks away. 20:10:43 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene let me know he's busy for now, so can't do much testing. 20:10:48 <MrsB> #info if anybody is in need of a mentor please let somebody know 20:11:04 <MrsB> herman has been doing very well anyway 20:11:06 <hviaene> David, I'm back 20:11:14 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Good. 20:11:29 <MrsB> let's skip it then as there are no apprentices for now :D 20:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 2 is just around the corner 20:11:45 <MrsB> ahh yes 20:11:59 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development 20:12:14 <MrsB> Beta 2 is due for release on the 16th 20:12:27 <MrsB> that means we can expect to get the isos around the end of next week 20:12:27 <wilcal> Spent some time this morning with my M5 installs and still look pretty good 20:12:48 <lewyssmith> You are lucky you have some. 20:12:51 <olivier_cc> I find M really promising too 20:12:59 <wilcal> Updated nicely 20:13:02 <MrsB> is everybody ready for beta 2 testing or have any questions about iso testing? 20:13:05 <olivier_cc> M5* 20:13:15 <wilcal> Confirmed that Totem is really really broken 20:13:18 <lewyssmith> I have a suggestion... 20:13:25 <MrsB> go for it 20:14:31 <lewyssmith> Can we define a mechanism whereby *before* ISOs are announced, that they are tested to boot & *basically* work by a few select pre-testers? 20:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> Target for first builds of beta 2, for qa is Tuesday, Dec. 9th. 20:14:46 <lewyssmith> To avoid loads of people dowloading etc bum ISOs. 20:15:07 <dvg_i> that is pre-release testing... 20:15:23 <DavidWHodgins> Downloading a bad iso, still speeds up downloading the fixed iso images. 20:15:38 <NyB> dvg_i: more like pre-pre-release testing :-) 20:15:52 <lewyssmith> I am not the only one who does not agree with wasting many people's time rather tha just a few. 20:15:59 <DavidWHodgins> Rather then waste cd/dvd discs, always test under vb first. 20:16:07 <MrsB> it depends on the availability of anne and thomas really, i know they do try to but anne is often mobile when doing it or has poor bandwidth so downloading isos takes forever 20:16:29 <MrsB> thomas usually has a list of jobs the length of his arm 20:16:32 <lewyssmith> I am willing to pre-test for EFI, to save others pain for nothing. 20:16:36 <hviaene> I don't use CD/DVD anymore 20:16:47 <dvg_i> and as soon as anyone sees an iso does not work say so here & on the pad 20:16:59 <dvg_i> so others dont touch it till fixed 20:16:59 <hviaene> And more people means more hardware 20:17:01 <MrsB> good point dvg, 20:17:18 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Neither do I. I don't have a reliable dvd drive anymore. 20:17:23 <wilcal> how many here rsync their local iso repo as against downloading the entire image? 20:17:25 <MrsB> #info if you encounter any early problems with ISO please make it well known on the ML and pad 20:17:40 <MrsB> morning tmb 20:17:42 <hviaene> wilcal: I do 20:17:47 <lewyssmith> People do. Sometimes in droves. 20:17:55 <dvg_i> nobody ever needs to download all, just rsync 20:18:08 <olivier_cc> rsync here too (Lewis sent me a nice script for that) 20:18:21 <MrsB> yes, after the first sync then resyncing usually takes only a few minutes 20:18:23 <tmb> morning 20:18:29 <olivier_cc> hi tmb 20:18:30 <lewyssmith> dvg_i: It can take me 1/2 a day just to rsync. 20:18:31 <DavidWHodgins> I have my own local repo, though it excludes the iso images, so I download those on my main system, rather then on the file server. 20:18:31 <wilcal> and I use mirros.kernel.org which can be really fast here 20:19:08 <MrsB> #info don't delete the ISO images when the beta is release, we use them later 20:19:18 <lewyssmith> dvg_i: One Classic rsync took 8H. 20:19:21 <dvg_i> lewyssmith: i cannot believe that is needed, sorry 20:19:33 <dvg_i> it is 2015 20:19:33 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Ouch 20:19:54 <MrsB> it shouldn't lewis, are you sure you're not downloading a complete new ISO? 20:19:55 <dvg_i> only a small percentage of data changes from one disk to the next 20:19:59 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: next month. :-) 20:20:21 <dvg_i> ok typo 2014 20:20:24 <lewyssmith> MrsB: If rsync loses track, I think it gives up. 20:20:42 <MrsB> if you get the paths right it should be ok 20:21:02 <dvg_i> never lost track here from mandriva till today 20:21:06 <DavidWHodgins> Also, the right rename commands. 20:21:13 <ennael> hi there 20:21:18 <lewyssmith> MrsBI know what I am doung, Claire. And talking of one ISO only, not several. 20:21:21 <MrsB> morning ennael 20:21:22 <olivier_cc> hello ennael 20:21:41 <MrsB> you must have very poor bandwidth lewis 20:21:56 <lewyssmith> Yes. And not alone. 20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I've forgotten. Where are you located? 20:22:29 <NyB> lewyssmith, MrsB: sounds more like a latency rather than a b/w issue... 20:22:40 <MrsB> If you don't get to test the first iteration and it's a non booter then don't worry just allow it to sync and sync again when the 2nd set are ready 20:22:41 <lewyssmith> 125k/sec? 20:22:58 <NyB> lewyssmith: is that bits or bytes? 20:22:58 <MrsB> yeah that's slooooow 20:23:06 <lewyssmith> bytes. 20:23:15 <MrsB> is that normal for your connection? 20:23:20 <lewyssmith> Yes. 20:23:24 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I get a max of around 555KB/s 20:23:44 <NyB> lewyssmith: 1Mbps line... 20:23:52 <dvg_i> i rsync the whole set of isos within 15 or 20 minutes 20:23:54 <MrsB> ok, well just do what you can to keep up. things should be more stable now but alphas frequently odn't boot as you know 20:23:55 <DavidWHodgins> That's a slow dsl line here. 20:24:15 <MrsB> if we're not booting at this stage then we've got problems! 20:24:26 <lewyssmith> EFI.... 20:24:42 <MrsB> yeah, any news on EFI stuff tmb? 20:26:33 * MrsB scared him away 20:26:46 <lewyssmith> Let's move on. 20:26:49 <MrsB> we'll come back to it 20:26:50 <MrsB> yep 20:26:56 <DavidWHodgins> ☺ 20:27:00 <olivier_cc> Beta 2 testing is more thorough than Beta1, isn't it ? 20:27:22 <MrsB> yes, we need to check all the applications on the iso and need to start thinking about upgrades from mga4 too 20:27:36 <wilcal> ya that's were we should be looking at upgrading an M4 install to M5 20:27:48 <MrsB> there is only the RC after this before the final so we start to get more picky now 20:27:49 <wilcal> see if that goes smoothly 20:27:54 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Yes. Has to include upgrade testing, as well as clean installs. 20:28:18 <wilcal> David share how we test upgrades 20:28:33 <olivier_cc> ok, I'll prepare some M4 installs then 20:28:34 <lewyssmith> It's in the Wiki, sort of. 20:29:15 <DavidWHodgins> Install Mageia 4, preferably with a full backup, then test the upgrade using urpmi, mgaapplet --testing, etc. 20:29:29 <MrsB> It's best to use virtualbox at first and take a snapshot of the mga4 system, then install lots of random packages and perform the upgrade. You can then roll back to the snapshot and do the same again with different packages 20:29:31 <wilcal> How do you handle the repos 20:29:46 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: And the Classic DVD. 20:30:18 <wilcal> so you use say the CI, it sees the M4 install, then upgrades it 20:30:21 <DavidWHodgins> Note that live cd/dvds are not used for upgrading. Only the classic images. 20:31:25 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Depends on if using urpmi, or the classic image. 20:31:31 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_testing_upgrades 20:32:05 <MrsB> i think we can remove the sysvinit-legacy stuff from there now 20:32:11 <olivier_cc> how long have we got to test beta 2 ? 20:32:23 <MrsB> we aim for around a week 20:32:26 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Normally one week 20:32:28 <olivier_cc> lol 20:32:33 <lewyssmith> Looks like a few days... 20:32:42 <MrsB> upgrades can be tested at any time though 20:32:57 <MrsB> what's important when ISO testign is to test the ISOs 20:32:58 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how many builds it takes to "get it right". 20:33:48 <olivier_cc> I'll have a good excuse no to go to christmas shopping I see 20:33:52 <DavidWHodgins> Including the boot.iso, and boot-nonfree.iso 20:34:02 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:34:23 <DavidWHodgins> Cat woke up. brb after I feed him. 20:34:25 <MrsB> Any other ISO/beta 2 questions? 20:35:04 <MrsB> #topic Testing Updates 20:35:16 <MrsB> So you know what's coming here.. 20:35:26 <MrsB> we have about a week to clear the list of updates 20:35:52 <MrsB> is there anything there now that looks scary? 20:36:14 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 20:36:16 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:36:21 <DavidWHodgins> back 20:36:32 <wilcal> I ran into a wrinkle testing util-linux. Need another 24-hrs to figure it out 20:36:34 <MrsB> that was quick 20:36:46 <MrsB> what sort of wrinkle? 20:37:21 <MrsB> I'd like to say well done to hviaene and olivier_cc who have been doign brilliantly testing updates 20:37:30 <wilcal> MCC & urpmi didn't see the package in the repo even though it was there 20:37:38 <wilcal> give it 24-hours and I'll try again 20:37:39 <olivier_cc> thanks MrsB 20:38:15 <olivier_cc> didn't manage openvpn testing despite the procedure 20:38:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Could be a mirror problem, if the hdlist.cz hasn't been synced yet. 20:38:41 <wilcal> ya that's why I'll give it another 24-hrs 20:38:57 <wilcal> easy testing though 20:39:23 <MrsB> The rel is ok so it should find it when it's there 20:41:03 <MrsB> I'll check it after the meeting actually, it's gone from 2.4-2 to 2.4.2-1, it's maybe meant to be 2.4-2.1 20:41:31 <Luigi12_work> nope 20:41:36 <MrsB> ok good 20:41:40 <Luigi12_work> it's an update to 2.4.2 plus a patch 20:41:54 <hviaene> What can I really test on those top 3 security issues, apart from installing and see it doesnto break anything??? 20:41:55 <MrsB> that saves me checking, thanks 20:42:00 <Luigi12_work> mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br has the last updates pushed to updates_testing, so it shouldn't be hard to find the update 20:42:22 <MrsB> you should find procedures in past updates for them hviaene 20:42:29 <hviaene> OK 20:42:38 <MrsB> click the "Bugzilla" link on the madb page to search 20:42:39 <Luigi12_work> you can do rpm -ql util-linux to see what commands are in that package and play with some of them 20:43:12 <hviaene> I wass thinking along thet line 20:43:19 <wilcal> lets let https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14609 go if it installs cleanly 20:43:20 <[mbot> Bug 14609: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [update candidate] x11-video-driver-geode, x11-video-driver-geode-2.11.15-1.1 20:43:26 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes, let's 20:43:40 <Luigi12_work> tmb: any news on the glibc and kernel updates in updates_testing? 20:43:42 <MrsB> yes, it needs testing 64bit 20:44:18 <MrsB> you want to take care of that wilcal 20:44:23 <Luigi12_work> those and dbus are the only ones without bugs I think 20:44:55 <wilcal> Yep, I'll handle 14609 next time I turn on my Vbox testing computer. SB within 24-hrs 20:45:05 <MrsB> We need to clear the bugfix updates too 20:45:47 <MrsB> #info please do your best to clear the updates list before we hit beta2 iso testing later next week 20:46:25 <MrsB> Anything else there that looks scary? 20:47:12 <MrsB> I should have more time after this week so should be back on duty \o/ 20:47:16 <hviaene> 14597: is anyone running a mailserver? 20:47:30 <MrsB> tmb was goign to look at those 20:47:53 <MrsB> we can at least ensure they install and services start and stop though 20:48:37 <hviaene> That I did, I believe 20:48:59 <MrsB> you can add the OK if there were no problems 20:49:36 <hviaene> done 20:49:43 <MrsB> great 20:49:49 <hviaene> easy 20:49:51 <MrsB> Are there any other bad ones? 20:50:14 <wilcal> Is backula ever come'n off that list 20:50:26 <MrsB> not in a hurry 20:50:28 <lewyssmith> It *is* greyed. 20:50:43 <MrsB> yeah. I'll assign it back to thomas 20:51:04 <MrsB> we need to tackle pykolab though, it's another one of his 20:51:17 <MrsB> its actually not bad to test 20:51:29 <MrsB> if i get time tomorrow i'll add some procedures 20:51:40 <lewyssmith> It is OK for x64. 20:51:59 <DavidWHodgins> There is a procedure for krb5 that may help with pykolab. 20:52:01 <MrsB> yeah, iw won't take much for us to clear the list if we all have a go at it 20:52:23 <MrsB> think pyholab is actually pretty easy Dave, search for previous updates 20:52:29 <MrsB> k 20:52:54 <MrsB> it's an 'easy when you know how' type update 20:53:13 <MrsB> Let's move on then 20:53:21 <lewyssmith> A questiion here from Ben first... 20:53:30 <MrsB> oh sure, yeah 20:54:05 <lewyssmith> Firefox & Thunderbird were lumped together & pushed rather hastily. Should they have been separeted? 20:54:30 <MrsB> they always tend to be updated together, both mozilla 20:54:45 <lewyssmith> But they are seperate applications. 20:54:45 <DavidWHodgins> They almost always go together, as they share many libraries. 20:54:50 <MrsB> we prioritise them as theyre installed by default in mageia and widely used 20:55:04 <MrsB> yes separate but linked 20:55:16 <Luigi12_work> they're also built from the same code 20:55:24 <lewyssmith> So OKing one but not the other? 20:55:46 <MrsB> just comment on the bug 20:55:49 <DavidWHodgins> Until both are ok'd, neither get's pushed. 20:55:56 <Luigi12_work> their advisories are the same too usually 20:55:57 <MrsB> only OK if both are without problems 20:55:59 <lewyssmith> It was very iffy. 20:56:16 <MrsB> what was iffy? 20:56:38 <Luigi12_work> we've done them seperate a few times, but it's more cumbersome 20:56:41 <Luigi12_work> it's not fair to call the testing "hasty" either. For ESR releases there are very few changes and very little chance of regression. 20:57:31 <MrsB> we're all familiar enough with firefox and thunderbird to be able to test them fairly quickly and spot obvious regressions 20:57:50 <Luigi12_work> sometimes some of the vulnerabilities are exploited in the wild shortly too, so it's important to get FF/TB out quickly 20:58:10 <MrsB> most updates for those are 'critical' priority as they're remotely exploitable etc 20:58:14 <MrsB> yep 20:58:28 <lewyssmith> Thunderbird is more limited for testing. Ben happens to use it habitually, and did test it. But it was already out of the door. 20:59:01 <MrsB> was there an unspotted regression? 20:59:06 <Luigi12_work> I use it during the week on my laptop 20:59:12 <Luigi12_work> no, he OK'd it too 20:59:34 <lewyssmith> I noticed your work. 21:00:11 <hviaene> I use TB all the time 21:00:22 <MrsB> it's always a balance between being thorough and being quick. We each have to make a judgement for each update we test. Ones we're more familair with can be judged ft quite quickly 21:00:41 <MrsB> fit 21:00:59 <lewyssmith> Accept all this. 21:01:08 <Luigi12_work> let's move on then 21:02:03 <MrsB> Until an update is actually pushed it's not too late to unvalidate it too, so if it's validated but not yet pushed please speak up if there are any issues 21:02:22 <MrsB> and also after it's pushed, so we can react to it quickly 21:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigis Roundup 21:02:58 <MrsB> all ok lewis? 21:03:05 <lewyssmith> Yes. 21:03:23 <MrsB> It's luigi time :) 21:03:34 <MrsB> #info did everybody see the blog post? 21:03:42 <diogenese> Yes. 21:03:48 <wilcal> Yes, outstanding 21:03:50 <MrsB> http://blog.mageia.org/en/2014/12/02/they-make-mageia-david-walser/ 21:03:52 <[mbot> [ They make Mageia: David Walser | Mageia Blog (English) ] 21:04:02 <Luigi12_work> I filed bugs this week for erlang and openvas-manager. erlang's maintainer has never responded for a security update, so that's a problem. openvas-manager's maintainer usually does eventually, so not sure how long that one will take. 21:04:24 <MrsB> ennael ^^ 21:04:30 <Luigi12_work> I filed a bug for qemu today, serious issue. Hoping fedora commits the patch to their git no later than tomorrow so I can get that one out. 21:04:51 <Luigi12_work> pdns-recursor will probably go to QA some time next week 21:04:52 <MrsB> #info qemu update coming soon 21:05:05 <MrsB> #info pdns-recursor next week too 21:05:32 <Luigi12_work> just waiting for feedback from oden on the purpose of the pdns-recursor update, it's already packaged 21:05:49 <MrsB> both fairly straightforward to test 21:06:01 <Luigi12_work> tmb: any news on the glibc and kernel updates in updates_testing? 21:06:45 <Luigi12_work> guess not :o( 21:06:57 <MrsB> your turn to scare him off 21:07:05 <Luigi12_work> indeed 21:07:06 <MrsB> oh he's mobile 21:07:11 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 21:07:14 <Luigi12_work> it was the devilish grin in my picture that scared him away 21:07:22 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:07:26 <MrsB> evil grreny 21:07:32 <MrsB> greeny 21:08:02 <MrsB> i was surprised you were allowed to get away without a proper photo 21:08:18 <Luigi12_work> to paraphrase Wall Street (the movie), "green is good" 21:08:23 <MrsB> I'll email sysadmins about p11-kit and gthumb 21:08:43 <Luigi12_work> tmb took care of it 21:08:49 <MrsB> oh good 21:08:53 <Luigi12_work> right after the meeting started when he came on IRC 21:09:06 <Luigi12_work> also cleared out cacti since that's not needed to be pushed at this time 21:09:13 <hviaene> Good evening all, higher instance is calling 21:09:13 <MrsB> well done 21:09:20 <MrsB> nite hviaene 21:09:23 <MrsB> thanks for coming 21:09:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else in the pipeline Luigi12_work? 21:10:03 <Luigi12_work> not that I know of. Things have picked up again this week...hope it slows back down. 21:10:13 <MrsB> yes fingers x'd 21:10:20 <Luigi12_work> would like to get some feedback to do a nodejs update...but again, no help from packagers 21:10:53 <MrsB> #info packager help needed with nodejs, erlang and openvas-manager 21:10:58 <DavidWHodgins> ,maint nodejs 21:11:00 <[mbot> damsweb is the maintainer of the nodejs package. 21:11:05 <MrsB> damien 21:11:24 <Luigi12_work> yeah dams is gone, and joequant has worked with some of the nodejs stuff in Cauldron, but never responds about security updates (also the erlang maintainer) 21:11:54 <MrsB> #info joequant ping needed for erlang and nodejs 21:12:12 <MrsB> have you spoken with ennael? 21:12:38 <Luigi12_work> I'll bring it up whenever we have another packager meeting, but she's generally aware of the issues 21:13:07 <MrsB> she can usually give wedgies and threaten bad thigns with matches to get people moving 21:13:57 <MrsB> bring it to council if it's a continual issue though 21:14:20 <MrsB> Thanks then Luigi12_work 21:14:24 <MrsB> that only leaves... 21:14:39 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 21:14:40 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 21:14:45 <MrsB> lol 21:14:52 <MrsB> thougtht you'd nodded off 21:14:55 <wilcal> stutter 21:15:02 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 21:15:02 <wilcal> nothing from me 21:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> I was responding in #mageia 21:15:31 <lewyssmith> OK here. 21:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me. 21:15:42 <MrsB> olivier_cc? 21:15:44 <olivier_cc> Ok here too 21:15:48 <MrsB> anybody? 21:15:56 <MrsB> T - 5 then 21:15:57 <NyB> I would like to ask a Q. w.r.t. updating from mga4 to mga5 21:16:04 <MrsB> ok 21:16:07 <wilcal> bye all 21:16:11 <MrsB> nite wilcal 21:16:16 <olivier_cc> bye wilcal 21:16:17 <lewyssmith> Goodbye Bill. 21:16:18 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Have a good night. 21:16:23 <NyB> I'm a bit worrier with the UID shift 21:16:34 <MrsB> yes 21:16:45 <NyB> how does the upgrade handle that? 21:16:50 <DavidWHodgins> NyB: The uid shift should not affect upgrades. 21:17:07 <DavidWHodgins> Only clean installs should use the new uid numbers. 21:17:08 <MrsB> it shouldnt be an issue but check KDM/GDM doesn't list non user uid's as users 21:17:15 <MrsB> yep 21:17:16 <NyB> yes, but we have DMs that e.g. are configured separately wrt. the minimum UID to show 21:17:35 <NyB> actually I'm worried about DMs *not* showing existing UIDs 21:17:43 <MrsB> the DM's have been configured with some intelligence to spot real UIDs from system UIDs 21:18:00 <MrsB> testing will show any ssues though, thats why we need to do it 21:18:04 <NyB> MrsB: OK, in that case I rest my case :-) 21:18:27 <MrsB> feel free to test all you like, the more it's tested the better really 21:18:35 <DavidWHodgins> NyB: My understanding is that the DMs have had logic added to check the login shell specified in /etc/passwd, to figure out which uids are real users, and which are not. 21:18:52 <MrsB> everybody know what this is about? 21:19:00 <MrsB> it's something we'll need to watch for 21:19:01 <NyB> DavidWHodgins: OK, that should be good enough. 21:19:36 <NyB> In any case, let's make sure that Mamma Jane will not lose her pretty login icon after the upgrade :-) 21:19:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 21:19:46 <DavidWHodgins> Every dm will have to be tested though, both with clean installs, and upgrades. 21:20:03 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 21:20:10 <MrsB> it's only fitting that the countdown was aborted today 21:20:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:20:26 <MrsB> T - 5 21:20:30 <DavidWHodgins> Go for it. 21:20:33 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody! 21:20:35 <MrsB> 4 21:20:37 <MrsB> 3 21:20:38 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. 21:20:38 <MrsB> 2 21:20:39 <MrsB> 1 21:20:41 <MrsB> #endmeeting