20:02:43 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:02:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 20 20:02:43 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and say hello 20:02:58 <MrsB> you peaked too early :) 20:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Too soon. 20:03:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal 20:03:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 20:03:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and say hello 20:03:15 <MrsB> thanks :) 20:03:19 <MrsB> welcome everybody 20:03:23 <Kernewes> you'll have all the topics typed before we even start one of these days 20:03:29 <MrsB> is there anybody new here today? 20:03:47 <MrsB> did you see last weeks dave dave? 20:04:01 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, replied on the mailing list. 20:04:26 <MrsB> nobody new today? 20:04:44 <MrsB> let's go on then 20:04:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - How are things going? Any problems? 20:04:52 <MrsB> tah vm 20:05:12 <MrsB> So mentors and mentored, how is it going? 20:05:27 <olivier_cc> mentored olivier_cc all fine 20:05:35 <MrsB> tarazed (Len) has been doing a few ruby updates solo now :) 20:05:49 <lewyssmith> Mine are too expert by half. Makes me feel silly. 20:05:53 <MrsB> lol 20:05:59 <MrsB> you're our supermentor though 20:06:07 <wilcal> I've had contact with mine ( Pete Larson ) and he's put some time into M5B1 as a learning experience 20:06:25 <hviaene> I guess it's not so easy for me to get to Stormi because of the time difference 20:06:47 <MrsB> You been doing great anyway hviaene 20:06:48 <Luigi12_work> feel free to ask on IRC or the ml if you need help 20:07:00 <hviaene> ml??? 20:07:05 <MrsB> Anybody spare some time for hviaene? 20:07:08 <Luigi12_work> qa-discuss mailing list 20:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'll have to email remiservices again, to see if I can get a response. 20:07:38 <lewyssmith> I could, of course - next week. 20:07:39 <MrsB> i think he's quite busy at the moment Dave, do you want to look after hviaene instead? 20:07:45 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Are you ok with email only support? 20:08:00 <hviaene> No problem 20:08:07 <MrsB> he's been working solo already but could maybe do with a confidence boost :) 20:08:24 <DavidWHodgins> Then I'll be your mentor. My email is davidwhodgins@gmail.com 20:08:34 <MrsB> Dave is in Canada hviaene 20:08:44 <olivier_cc> email support is nice because you can go back to what you've been told whenever you want 20:08:56 <DavidWHodgins> And I keep very inconsistent hours. :-) 20:09:11 <NyB> I've been very busy with non-mageia/qa stuff these days, so I didn't do much 20:09:13 <hviaene> Noted and thanks 20:09:26 <NyB> but I did get in touch with lewyssmith 20:09:33 <MrsB> you've been active all over NyB 20:09:49 <lewyssmith> NyB: And you are still alive. 20:09:51 <MrsB> how are things working out for you both? 20:10:39 <lewyssmith> Both? 20:11:00 <dvg_i> lewys and smith 20:11:12 <MrsB> lewis and Theo 20:11:12 <lewyssmith> Trust you. 20:11:28 <MrsB> morning dvg 20:11:40 <dvg_i> Evening chairlady 20:12:17 <NyB> Well, I've got a couple of VMs now, but I was delayed by the KVM/QXL issue 20:12:21 <MrsB> let's move on then. We'll try to keep coming back to this so remind me if I forget 20:12:31 <MrsB> ok cool well done 20:12:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 3 EOL - Are we ready? 20:12:50 <ennael> (hi) 20:12:53 <MrsB> HI ennael 20:13:01 <olivier_cc> hi ennael 20:13:36 <DavidWHodgins> Other then the remaining packages waiting to be tested, qa team is ready for eol of Mageia 3. 20:13:39 <MrsB> Has anybody here completed an mga3 to 4 updarade lately? 20:13:40 <wilcal> I think we should no longer add any bugs to the to do list 20:13:55 <Luigi12_work> I plan to update my desktop at work to mga4 next week 20:14:10 <olivier_cc> I did MrsB and filed a bug for gdm 20:14:11 <MrsB> updarade :D 20:14:17 <MrsB> sorry typo night again 20:14:22 <Luigi12_work> yeah I don't plan any more updates for mga3 unless something important lands tomorrow 20:14:27 * NyB has an mga2 system to bring up to date 20:14:30 <Kernewes> I liked the title of the blog post :) 20:14:58 <MrsB> what happened with gdm olivier_cc? 20:15:14 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: I saw a glibc problem on the oss list an hour or so ago. Don't know if there is an update for it yet. 20:15:23 <olivier_cc> disappeared when upgrading to mageia4 20:15:29 <ennael> I have a special request speaking about EOL and so. Could I make an interview of Luigi12_work (they make mageia) 20:15:38 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: they linked an upstream commit 20:15:43 <MrsB> ouch olivier_cc do you have the bug number? 20:15:46 <wilcal> Can we target Mon for real EOL for M3? 20:15:52 <MrsB> ennael! brilliant idea :) 20:15:58 <ennael> eheh 20:15:59 <Luigi12_work> yikes :O 20:16:03 <ennael> Luigi12_work: you have no choice :) 20:16:08 <Luigi12_work> ok 20:16:10 <ennael> it's logged :p 20:16:14 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:16:16 <NyB> Luigi12_work: no good deed... 20:16:23 <ennael> I will send you the questions 20:16:25 <MrsB> #info Luigi12_work volunteered to do an interview for a They Make Mageia blog posts 20:16:39 <ennael> then we can speak about EOL time also 20:16:45 <MrsB> that's how everybody volunteers 20:16:53 <Luigi12_work> by appointment 20:16:57 <MrsB> kinda 20:17:10 <Luigi12_work> it's ok, I volunteer other packagers for stuff sometimes :o) 20:17:23 <lewyssmith> Ah. Ein Heldenleiben (radio). 20:18:03 <olivier_cc> bug number 14563 20:18:07 <MrsB> #info olivier_cc reported gdm disappeared during upgrade to mga4 20:18:15 <MrsB> bug 14563 20:18:16 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14563 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Gnome shell failing (when no gdm installed) after online mageia 3-64 to mageia4-64 upgrade, gnome-shell 20:18:30 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14563 20:18:31 <[mbot> Bug 14563: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Gnome shell failing (when no gdm installed) after online mageia 3-64 to mageia4-64 upgrade, gnome-shell 20:18:58 <olivier_cc> when I have time, I'll retrace my steps to check if GDM was installed in mageia3 before upgrade 20:19:19 <MrsB> please do olivier_cc, we don't have much time left 20:19:27 <olivier_cc> one week more :) 20:19:35 <MrsB> can anybody please try to reproduce 20:20:11 * Luigi12_work would need a partner for that... 20:20:22 <olivier_cc> lol 20:20:23 * MrsB slaps Luigi12_work 20:20:26 <Luigi12_work> anyway mga4 upgrade bugs can be fixed in mga4 20:20:48 <MrsB> yes i guess it wont prevent EOL 20:20:54 <Luigi12_work> correct 20:21:04 <MrsB> be good to fix it before everybody tries to upgrade though 20:21:09 <Luigi12_work> true 20:21:46 <MrsB> There are a few security updates to clear still on mga3 20:22:01 <MrsB> are you still planning to stop there Luigi12_work? 20:22:15 <Luigi12_work> polarssl, imagemagick, and moodle are ready to validate actually 20:22:27 <Luigi12_work> graphicsmagick has an easy procedure 20:22:35 <MrsB> yes, nothing major 20:22:45 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yeah as I said a few minutes ago, unless something major drops tomorrow, I'm not planning any more updates for mga3 20:23:04 <olivier_cc> I'll test drupal on Mageia3-64 as I've already experienced that one 20:23:12 <Luigi12_work> if I remember I'll try to see if I can get in touch with aircrack-ng upstream on Saturday 20:23:12 <MrsB> #info unless something major drops tomorrow, I'm not planning any more updates for mga3 - Luigi12 20:23:26 <MrsB> thanks olivier_cc 20:23:38 <MrsB> the others are all easy ones to test really 20:24:09 <Luigi12_work> once we get polarssl, imagemagick, moodle, graphicsmagick, and kate (mga4 bugfix) validated, I'll bug sysadmins for pushes. I'd like kate to go out with the other KDE packages we bugfixed at the same time. 20:24:30 <Luigi12_work> kate's another easy one to test BTW, jsut needs a x86_64 test 20:24:39 <MrsB> Thanks mga3. Let's move on then 20:24:44 <Luigi12_work> same with drakxtools and drakpxelinux, just have to install and click a few times 20:24:47 <MrsB> hold on Luigi12_work 20:24:53 <Luigi12_work> ahh that's the next topic 20:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates 20:25:06 <MrsB> thanks Dave 20:25:20 <MrsB> How are we doing? 20:25:29 <MrsB> it's been pretty hectic hasn't it 20:25:38 <Luigi12_work> graphicsmagick, kate, drakxtools, drakpxelinux just need a x86_64 test, and all have easy documented procedures 20:25:38 <wilcal> Kernels are outta there :-)) 20:25:54 <lewyssmith> Loads of M4 updates. 20:25:56 <MrsB> Thanks to Akien and Luigi12_work for driving things along 20:26:08 * Luigi12_work tested a whole bunch of updates this week 20:26:28 <MrsB> yeah and I even saw an advisory 20:26:49 <Luigi12_work> I will also try to get updates_testing cleared at the end of this week so there's nothing in there but actual pending updates 20:27:14 <MrsB> ok that's useful to do every once in awhile, thanks 20:27:36 <MrsB> #info there are a number of easy updates at the moment 20:27:38 <Luigi12_work> yeah, I've noticed people enabling updates_testing and installing everything...so we can make that safe again, at least for a while 20:27:57 <wilcal> That was fun with KDE 20:28:10 <MrsB> don't do that though please people 20:28:36 <wilcal> blew it all up :-)) 20:28:38 <Luigi12_work> yeah as a general rule that's not the right way to do it...but hopefully we can make it safe as we can since some will do it anyway 20:28:48 <DavidWHodgins> Guilty here. :-) 20:28:53 <MrsB> naughty 20:29:10 <wilcal> That's why we have Vbox 20:29:20 <MrsB> Is there anything there at the moment that looks scary? 20:29:37 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: How do you spot -9 ? 20:29:47 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 20:29:49 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:30:25 <Luigi12_work> avidemux is another easy one with a documented procedure, I think wilcal made it 20:30:27 <MrsB> madb has a tool to match packages in updates testing to qa bugs 20:31:01 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/rpm/list/listtype/updates_testing 20:31:02 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Updates awaiting your testing ] 20:31:20 <Luigi12_work> the gpodder, amavisd-new, and pykolab bugs could use a little more info on what they're fixing or how to test 20:31:49 <MrsB> Dave amavisd is all yours 20:32:07 <Akien> The pykolab one is a missing requires, so the fix in itself is pretty easy to test, but some info about the usage of pykolab could be useful indeed, for basic regression testing 20:32:32 <MrsB> pykolab isn't too bad to test, there is a previous update. Quite recent IINM 20:33:02 <Akien> drupal has a procedure of course, I'll add it to the bug report 20:33:12 <MrsB> kthx 20:33:22 <Luigi12_work> clamav advisory can be uploaded now, I added it to the bug report today 20:33:30 <MrsB> An there that look scary guys? 20:33:39 <MrsB> any* 20:34:13 <olivier_cc> the sheer number of packages to test is one of the scary things 20:34:15 <wilcal> backula is gray'd out 20:34:29 <MrsB> We're always busy in QA 20:34:33 <wilcal> some will come off pretty easy 20:34:38 <wilcal> Busy place 20:34:54 <MrsB> it's why we need to make sure we're always on top of updates before the next set of ISOs arrive to test 20:35:04 <Akien> I guess x11-driver-video-geode is not that easy to test, which hardware is it used for? 20:35:23 <Akien> Planetariums? :-p (La Geode is a big planetarium near Paris) 20:35:50 <NyB> Akien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_%28processor%29 20:36:03 <wilcal> Do you need the Planetarium to test it? 20:36:08 <NyB> you either have it or you don't :-/ 20:36:12 <MrsB> minimal info from Thierry on the geode bug :\ 20:36:23 <MrsB> i guess just ensure it updates ok 20:37:24 <MrsB> Great so nothing too traumatic then 20:37:28 <MrsB> let's move on :) 20:37:42 <MrsB> Pretty sure that makes it Luigi time 20:37:50 <Luigi12_work> ooh 20:37:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic igi's Roundup 20:37:57 <MrsB> igi :D 20:38:33 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:38:36 <MrsB> there we go 20:38:42 <MrsB> ping Luigi12_work 20:38:48 <Luigi12_work> oh hi there 20:38:52 <Luigi12_work> sorry was e-mailing 20:38:56 <MrsB> hi, fancy seeing you here 20:39:16 <Luigi12_work> so I have a libreoffice mga4 update that just needs pushed to the build system, fixing a remotely exploitable DoS in Impress 20:39:38 <MrsB> #info LO update coming for a DoS in Impress 20:39:39 <Luigi12_work> once mga3 is closed I'll push geary and gnome-shell/gnome-settings-daemon updates for mga4 20:39:47 <wilcal> Didn't we just have a LibreOffice update? 20:39:53 <Luigi12_work> yes unfortunately 20:40:04 <Luigi12_work> new CVE landed just as the last update was being pushed to mirrors 20:40:05 <wilcal> not all that hard to test 20:40:09 <MrsB> it's good to see it being maintained 20:40:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah there's a PoC for this one, should b eeasy 20:40:32 <Luigi12_work> got the patch from OpenSuSE and actually found an error in their patch and reported it to them 20:41:17 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have for now 20:41:18 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 - once mga3 is closed I'll push geary and gnome-shell/gnome-settings-daemon updates for mga4 20:41:26 <MrsB> I'm not surprised :P 20:41:34 <Luigi12_work> :O 20:41:45 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work 20:41:54 <MrsB> that only leaves... 20:42:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ldap list for qa members 20:42:09 <MrsB> oops 20:42:12 <Luigi12_work> faked you out 20:42:26 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 20:42:33 * MrsB sacks Dave 20:42:35 <wilcal> I've a couple things 20:42:42 <MrsB> fire away! 20:42:50 <wilcal> Cups printing in M5B1 looks solid right now 20:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> We have a page for iso testers that we could ask colin to add to ldap, but don't have a list for regular qa members. 20:43:02 <wilcal> lots of good work there to make it right 20:43:14 <Kernewes> I'll try and check the printing side over the weekend 20:43:20 <wilcal> Here comes the big one: 20:43:31 <wilcal> I'd like to point to an on going bug that effects now M5B1 but has been 20:43:32 <wilcal> around for awhile: 20:43:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969 20:43:35 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, Normal, olav, ASSIGNED , embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales, gtk+3.0 20:43:35 <wilcal> This one I think effects maybe 15% of the potential install base. 20:43:36 <MrsB> that's good, philippe has put alot of work into it I think wilcal 20:43:36 <wilcal> I've seen this before and I believe there was a solution on M4. 20:43:38 <wilcal> I can at least reproduce it 100% of the time with the KDE Live-DVD 64-bit 20:43:40 <wilcal> every time. It's, IMO, a potential release blocker. 20:43:41 <wilcal> I ask if the title of this bug is clear enough and It applies lots of places. 20:44:08 <wilcal> the black screens in the MCC could be a really severe problem hiding there 20:44:26 <wilcal> kudos to philippe 20:44:37 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure the bug report includes which locales it's showing up in. 20:44:42 <MrsB> so is it KDE installs and not gnome installs? 20:44:51 <wilcal> I think it goes way beyond the locale thingy 20:45:20 <wilcal> I'm just work'n the english KDE but as I poke at it I should get a better idea what's going on 20:45:36 <dvg_i> Yeah but is a gtk2 -> 3 fallout. IOW bug #11778 20:45:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11778 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , [TRACKER] gtk2 -> gtk3 fallouts 20:45:59 <wilcal> Maybe we should look at similar bugs and consolidate into one 20:46:08 <MrsB> let's set release blocker and see what happens 20:46:18 <dvg_i> If that cant be fixed, we wont have m5 -- if it were blocking 20:46:38 <dvg_i> it is in 11778 20:46:47 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: It's a pretty critical bug, so it should be a blocker. 20:47:19 <wilcal> Thanks all for look'n at it 20:47:22 <MrsB> ok, set it release blocker, it should get picked up at the next packagers meeting 20:47:33 <dvg_i> True, but as they all are blocking 11778, in cae *that* one is not fixed, we wont hve M5 20:47:44 <dvg_i> case... 20:47:50 <Akien> Yes it's really important that we make the developers aware of the issues that we found during the beta1 testing 20:48:06 <Akien> Now is the best time for them to get things fixed so that beta2 can be as smooth as possible 20:48:09 <wilcal> Thanks MrsB 20:48:12 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: It just means m5 would have to be delayed, till it is fixed. 20:48:26 <MrsB> np :) 20:48:30 <Akien> (This is also and particularly valid for me, I think I have a couple things on the pad for which I might have not opened a bug report) 20:48:41 <MrsB> Is there anything else else ? 20:48:45 <MrsB> I guess.. 20:48:47 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: sure. but i'm wondering what chance of a fix there really is? 20:48:48 <Kernewes> not here 20:49:05 <MrsB> #info please ensure you have created bugs for all issues found during beta 1 testing 20:49:25 <dvg_i> Akien: it can still be done :) 20:49:26 <Akien> dvg_i: If it really can't be fixed, then it's up to the devs and QA to decide whether we want to release even though some release blockers were not fixed. 20:49:38 <lewyssmith> gtk2->3 ? Yves uses gtk5. 20:49:39 <dvg_i> Akien: true 20:49:50 <MrsB> #info Just to restate - Luigi12 has volunteered to do a blog interview for the They Make Mageia series 20:49:58 <Akien> \o/ 20:50:02 <wilcal> xbmc don't install on M5B1 don't know how severe that is 20:50:24 <MrsB> is there a bug for it wilcal? 20:50:32 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: If there is no fix, we'll have to find a work around. 20:50:38 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: you'll know you've really arrived when part of your interview gets on Distrowatch like MrsB's did 20:50:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407 20:50:50 <[mbot> Bug 14407: normal, Normal, anssi.hannula, NEW , xbmc cannot be installed or built, xbmc-13.0-1.mga5.i586 20:50:57 <wilcal> yours truly opened it 20:50:58 <lewyssmith> Not a blocker, but not trivial either. 20:50:58 <MrsB> as long as theres a bug it can be assigned and fixed 20:51:16 <MrsB> best to add coling to that big too 20:51:19 <MrsB> bug 20:51:20 <Akien> wilcal: Yes xbmc has been in the "broken dependencies" list for a while now: 20:51:20 <wilcal> some other minor ones I've opened 20:51:21 <Akien> http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html 20:51:22 <[mbot> [ dependencies global report ] 20:51:38 <Akien> So it's a known issue, but it's always good to have a BR too 20:51:55 <Akien> Basically all the packages in the list I linked are broken 20:52:04 <Akien> And that's a really small list currently :-) 20:52:08 <wilcal> Same thing with: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14422 i bet 20:52:09 <[mbot> Bug 14422: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , k9copy can't open disc, k9copy-2.3.8-5.mga5.i586.rpm 20:52:58 <Akien> :maint k9copy 20:52:59 <Sophie> Akien: For Mageia (k9copy): obgr_seneca 20:53:09 <Akien> :-) I'll have a look 20:53:13 <wilcal> and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371 20:53:15 <[mbot> Bug 14371: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , guvcview seg faults on opening, guvcview-1.7.3-3.mga5.i586.rpm 20:53:16 <NyB> Hmm, dunno if we should bother with xbmc... they've rebranded the thing and all... 20:53:40 <MrsB> only renamed it 20:53:42 <wilcal> keep it for M5 change it on M6? 20:54:12 <wilcal> We've frozen the M5 packages right? 20:54:41 <DavidWHodgins> Version freeze, not release freeze. 20:54:48 <MrsB> As long as there are bugs reported, it helps if you can assign them to maintainers too though so bugsquad aren't overloaded. 20:55:01 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: what's the difference? 20:55:10 <DavidWHodgins> So technically the new version could be added, provided it obsoletes the old xbmc 20:55:10 <lewyssmith> Thanks! 20:55:18 <Akien> Well that's a problem for the devs, maybe someone should try to update xbmc to version 13.2 20:55:33 <DavidWHodgins> In version freeze, version updates require permission. 20:56:02 <Kernewes> so what's release freeze? 20:56:20 <DavidWHodgins> In release freeze, no new packages, only bugfix and security patches applied to the version we already have. 20:56:30 <Kernewes> I see, thanks 20:56:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else? 20:56:43 <Kernewes> no no no 20:56:46 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 20:56:56 <lewyssmith> No. 20:57:02 <NyB> apart from the issues still being discussed in the m/l 20:57:11 <NyB> (the hplip thing...) 20:57:21 <wilcal> Just looking yes we should xbmc -> kodi 20:57:35 <NyB> wilcal: kodi stable is not released yet, though 20:57:39 <MrsB> what hplip thing? 20:57:44 <hviaene> And the dbus thing that keeps popping up 20:57:58 <NyB> MrsB: an IMHO rather severe security issue 20:58:13 <NyB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14600 20:58:14 <[mbot> Bug 14600: critical, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , hplip creates a world-writeable $HOME/.hplip/hplip.conf file, hplip-3.14.6-5.mga5.src.rpm 20:58:34 <NyB> you can actually compromise other user accounts through that 20:58:44 <MrsB> ohh yeah that's mga5. We don't worry too much about that until we get ISOs 20:58:56 <NyB> MrsB: OK :-) 20:59:12 <NyB> oh, and we still have the shadow thing for mga4 20:59:20 <MrsB> hviaene: it's nice to see the upstream maintainer on that 20:59:32 <MrsB> Let's wrap up then 20:59:38 <MrsB> Thanks everybody for coming 20:59:46 <MrsB> T - 5 20:59:50 <MrsB> 4 20:59:52 <MrsB> 3 20:59:54 <MrsB> 2 20:59:55 <MrsB> 1 20:59:59 <MrsB> #endmeeting