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20:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and say hello
20:02:58 <MrsB> you peaked too early :)
20:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Too soon.
20:03:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:03:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
20:03:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come and say hello
20:03:15 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:03:19 <MrsB> welcome everybody
20:03:23 <Kernewes> you'll have all the topics typed before we even start one of these days
20:03:29 <MrsB> is there anybody new here today?
20:03:47 <MrsB> did you see last weeks dave dave?
20:04:01 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, replied on the mailing list.
20:04:26 <MrsB> nobody new today?
20:04:44 <MrsB> let's go on then
20:04:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mentoring update - How are things going? Any problems?
20:04:52 <MrsB> tah vm
20:05:12 <MrsB> So mentors and mentored, how is it going?
20:05:27 <olivier_cc> mentored olivier_cc all fine
20:05:35 <MrsB> tarazed (Len) has been doing a few ruby updates solo now :)
20:05:49 <lewyssmith> Mine are too expert by half. Makes me feel silly.
20:05:53 <MrsB> lol
20:05:59 <MrsB> you're our supermentor though
20:06:07 <wilcal> I've had contact with mine ( Pete Larson ) and he's put some time into M5B1 as a learning experience
20:06:25 <hviaene> I guess it's not so easy for me to get to Stormi because of the time difference
20:06:47 <MrsB> You been doing great anyway hviaene
20:06:48 <Luigi12_work> feel free to ask on IRC or the ml if you need help
20:07:00 <hviaene> ml???
20:07:05 <MrsB> Anybody spare some time for hviaene?
20:07:08 <Luigi12_work> qa-discuss mailing list
20:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'll have to email remiservices again, to see if I can get a response.
20:07:38 <lewyssmith> I could, of course - next week.
20:07:39 <MrsB> i think he's quite busy at the moment Dave, do you want to look after hviaene instead?
20:07:45 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Are you ok with email only support?
20:08:00 <hviaene> No problem
20:08:07 <MrsB> he's been working solo already but could maybe do with a confidence boost :)
20:08:24 <DavidWHodgins> Then I'll be your mentor. My email is davidwhodgins@gmail.com
20:08:34 <MrsB> Dave is in Canada hviaene
20:08:44 <olivier_cc> email support is nice because you can go back to what you've been told whenever you want
20:08:56 <DavidWHodgins> And I keep very inconsistent hours. :-)
20:09:11 <NyB> I've been very busy with non-mageia/qa stuff these days, so I didn't do much
20:09:13 <hviaene> Noted and thanks
20:09:26 <NyB> but I did get in touch with lewyssmith
20:09:33 <MrsB> you've been active all over NyB
20:09:49 <lewyssmith> NyB: And you are still alive.
20:09:51 <MrsB> how are things working out for you both?
20:10:39 <lewyssmith> Both?
20:11:00 <dvg_i> lewys and smith
20:11:12 <MrsB> lewis and Theo
20:11:12 <lewyssmith> Trust you.
20:11:28 <MrsB> morning dvg
20:11:40 <dvg_i> Evening chairlady
20:12:17 <NyB> Well, I've got a couple of VMs now, but I was delayed by the KVM/QXL issue
20:12:21 <MrsB> let's move on then. We'll try to keep coming back to this so remind me if I forget
20:12:31 <MrsB> ok cool well done
20:12:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 3 EOL - Are we ready?
20:12:50 <ennael> (hi)
20:12:53 <MrsB> HI ennael
20:13:01 <olivier_cc> hi ennael
20:13:36 <DavidWHodgins> Other then the remaining packages waiting to be tested, qa team is ready for eol of Mageia 3.
20:13:39 <MrsB> Has anybody here completed an mga3 to 4 updarade lately?
20:13:40 <wilcal> I think we should no longer add any bugs to the to do list
20:13:55 <Luigi12_work> I plan to update my desktop at work to mga4 next week
20:14:10 <olivier_cc> I did MrsB and filed a bug for gdm
20:14:11 <MrsB> updarade :D
20:14:17 <MrsB> sorry typo night again
20:14:22 <Luigi12_work> yeah I don't plan any more updates for mga3 unless something important lands tomorrow
20:14:27 * NyB has an mga2 system to bring up to date
20:14:30 <Kernewes> I liked the title of the blog post :)
20:14:58 <MrsB> what happened with gdm olivier_cc?
20:15:14 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: I saw a glibc problem on the oss list an hour or so ago. Don't know if there is an update for it yet.
20:15:23 <olivier_cc> disappeared when upgrading to mageia4
20:15:29 <ennael> I have a special request speaking about EOL and so. Could I make an interview of Luigi12_work (they make mageia)
20:15:38 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: they linked an upstream commit
20:15:43 <MrsB> ouch olivier_cc do you have the bug number?
20:15:46 <wilcal> Can we target Mon for real EOL for M3?
20:15:52 <MrsB> ennael! brilliant idea :)
20:15:58 <ennael> eheh
20:15:59 <Luigi12_work> yikes :O
20:16:03 <ennael> Luigi12_work: you have no choice :)
20:16:08 <Luigi12_work> ok
20:16:10 <ennael> it's logged :p
20:16:14 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:16:16 <NyB> Luigi12_work: no good deed...
20:16:23 <ennael> I will send you the questions
20:16:25 <MrsB> #info Luigi12_work volunteered to do an interview for a They Make Mageia blog posts
20:16:39 <ennael> then we can speak about EOL time also
20:16:45 <MrsB> that's how everybody volunteers
20:16:53 <Luigi12_work> by appointment
20:16:57 <MrsB> kinda
20:17:10 <Luigi12_work> it's ok, I volunteer other packagers for stuff sometimes :o)
20:17:23 <lewyssmith> Ah. Ein Heldenleiben (radio).
20:18:03 <olivier_cc> bug number 14563
20:18:07 <MrsB> #info olivier_cc reported gdm disappeared during upgrade to mga4
20:18:15 <MrsB> bug 14563
20:18:16 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14563 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Gnome shell failing (when no  gdm installed) after online mageia 3-64 to mageia4-64 upgrade, gnome-shell
20:18:30 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14563
20:18:31 <[mbot> Bug 14563: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Gnome shell failing (when no  gdm installed) after online mageia 3-64 to mageia4-64 upgrade, gnome-shell
20:18:58 <olivier_cc> when I have time, I'll retrace my steps to check if GDM was installed in mageia3 before upgrade
20:19:19 <MrsB> please do olivier_cc, we don't have much time left
20:19:27 <olivier_cc> one week more :)
20:19:35 <MrsB> can anybody please try to reproduce
20:20:11 * Luigi12_work would need a partner for that...
20:20:22 <olivier_cc> lol
20:20:23 * MrsB slaps Luigi12_work
20:20:26 <Luigi12_work> anyway mga4 upgrade bugs can be fixed in mga4
20:20:48 <MrsB> yes i guess it wont prevent EOL
20:20:54 <Luigi12_work> correct
20:21:04 <MrsB> be good to fix it before everybody tries to upgrade though
20:21:09 <Luigi12_work> true
20:21:46 <MrsB> There are a few security updates to clear still on mga3
20:22:01 <MrsB> are you still planning to stop there Luigi12_work?
20:22:15 <Luigi12_work> polarssl, imagemagick, and moodle are ready to validate actually
20:22:27 <Luigi12_work> graphicsmagick has an easy procedure
20:22:35 <MrsB> yes, nothing major
20:22:45 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yeah as I said a few minutes ago, unless something major drops tomorrow, I'm not planning any more updates for mga3
20:23:04 <olivier_cc> I'll test drupal on Mageia3-64 as I've already experienced that one
20:23:12 <Luigi12_work> if I remember I'll try to see if I can get in touch with aircrack-ng upstream on Saturday
20:23:12 <MrsB> #info unless something major drops tomorrow, I'm not planning any more updates for mga3 - Luigi12
20:23:26 <MrsB> thanks olivier_cc
20:23:38 <MrsB> the others are all easy ones to test really
20:24:09 <Luigi12_work> once we get polarssl, imagemagick, moodle, graphicsmagick, and kate (mga4 bugfix) validated, I'll bug sysadmins for pushes.  I'd like kate to go out with the other KDE packages we bugfixed at the same time.
20:24:30 <Luigi12_work> kate's another easy one to test BTW, jsut needs a x86_64 test
20:24:39 <MrsB> Thanks mga3. Let's move on then
20:24:44 <Luigi12_work> same with drakxtools and drakpxelinux, just have to install and click a few times
20:24:47 <MrsB> hold on Luigi12_work
20:24:53 <Luigi12_work> ahh that's the next topic
20:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:25:06 <MrsB> thanks Dave
20:25:20 <MrsB> How are we doing?
20:25:29 <MrsB> it's been pretty hectic hasn't it
20:25:38 <Luigi12_work> graphicsmagick, kate, drakxtools, drakpxelinux just need a x86_64 test, and all have easy documented procedures
20:25:38 <wilcal> Kernels are outta there :-))
20:25:54 <lewyssmith> Loads of M4 updates.
20:25:56 <MrsB> Thanks to Akien and Luigi12_work for driving things along
20:26:08 * Luigi12_work tested a whole bunch of updates this week
20:26:28 <MrsB> yeah and I even saw an advisory
20:26:49 <Luigi12_work> I will also try to get updates_testing cleared at the end of this week so there's nothing in there but actual pending updates
20:27:14 <MrsB> ok that's useful to do every once in awhile, thanks
20:27:36 <MrsB> #info there are a number of easy updates at the moment
20:27:38 <Luigi12_work> yeah, I've noticed people enabling updates_testing and installing everything...so we can make that safe again, at least for a while
20:27:57 <wilcal> That was fun with KDE
20:28:10 <MrsB> don't do that though please people
20:28:36 <wilcal> blew it all up :-))
20:28:38 <Luigi12_work> yeah as a general rule that's not the right way to do it...but hopefully we can make it safe as we can since some will do it anyway
20:28:48 <DavidWHodgins> Guilty here. :-)
20:28:53 <MrsB> naughty
20:29:10 <wilcal> That's why we have Vbox
20:29:20 <MrsB> Is there anything there at the moment that looks scary?
20:29:37 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: How do you spot -9 ?
20:29:47 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:29:49 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:30:25 <Luigi12_work> avidemux is another easy one with a documented procedure, I think wilcal made it
20:30:27 <MrsB> madb has a tool to match packages in updates testing to qa bugs
20:31:01 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/rpm/list/listtype/updates_testing
20:31:02 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Updates awaiting your testing ]
20:31:20 <Luigi12_work> the gpodder, amavisd-new, and pykolab bugs could use a little more info on what they're fixing or how to test
20:31:49 <MrsB> Dave amavisd is all yours
20:32:07 <Akien> The pykolab one is a missing requires, so the fix in itself is pretty easy to test, but some info about the usage of pykolab could be useful indeed, for basic regression testing
20:32:32 <MrsB> pykolab isn't too bad to test, there is a previous update. Quite recent IINM
20:33:02 <Akien> drupal has a procedure of course, I'll add it to the bug report
20:33:12 <MrsB> kthx
20:33:22 <Luigi12_work> clamav advisory can be uploaded now, I added it to the bug report today
20:33:30 <MrsB> An there that look scary guys?
20:33:39 <MrsB> any*
20:34:13 <olivier_cc> the sheer number of packages to test is one of the scary things
20:34:15 <wilcal> backula is gray'd out
20:34:29 <MrsB> We're always busy in QA
20:34:33 <wilcal> some will come off pretty easy
20:34:38 <wilcal> Busy place
20:34:54 <MrsB> it's why we need to make sure we're always on top of updates before the next set of ISOs arrive to test
20:35:04 <Akien> I guess x11-driver-video-geode is not that easy to test, which hardware is it used for?
20:35:23 <Akien> Planetariums? :-p (La Geode is a big planetarium near Paris)
20:35:50 <NyB> Akien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_%28processor%29
20:36:03 <wilcal> Do you need the Planetarium to test it?
20:36:08 <NyB> you either have it or you don't :-/
20:36:12 <MrsB> minimal info from Thierry on the geode bug :\
20:36:23 <MrsB> i guess just ensure it updates ok
20:37:24 <MrsB> Great so nothing too traumatic then
20:37:28 <MrsB> let's move on :)
20:37:42 <MrsB> Pretty sure that makes it Luigi time
20:37:50 <Luigi12_work> ooh
20:37:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic igi's Roundup
20:37:57 <MrsB> igi :D
20:38:33 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:38:36 <MrsB> there we go
20:38:42 <MrsB> ping Luigi12_work
20:38:48 <Luigi12_work> oh hi there
20:38:52 <Luigi12_work> sorry was e-mailing
20:38:56 <MrsB> hi, fancy seeing you here
20:39:16 <Luigi12_work> so I have a libreoffice mga4 update that just needs pushed to the build system, fixing a remotely exploitable DoS in Impress
20:39:38 <MrsB> #info LO update coming for a DoS in Impress
20:39:39 <Luigi12_work> once mga3 is closed I'll push geary and gnome-shell/gnome-settings-daemon updates for mga4
20:39:47 <wilcal> Didn't we just have a LibreOffice update?
20:39:53 <Luigi12_work> yes unfortunately
20:40:04 <Luigi12_work> new CVE landed just as the last update was being pushed to mirrors
20:40:05 <wilcal> not all that hard to test
20:40:09 <MrsB> it's good to see it being maintained
20:40:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah there's a PoC for this one, should b eeasy
20:40:32 <Luigi12_work> got the patch from OpenSuSE and actually found an error in their patch and reported it to them
20:41:17 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have for now
20:41:18 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 -  once mga3 is closed I'll push geary and gnome-shell/gnome-settings-daemon updates for mga4
20:41:26 <MrsB> I'm not surprised :P
20:41:34 <Luigi12_work> :O
20:41:45 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work
20:41:54 <MrsB> that only leaves...
20:42:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ldap list for qa members
20:42:09 <MrsB> oops
20:42:12 <Luigi12_work> faked you out
20:42:26 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:42:33 * MrsB sacks Dave
20:42:35 <wilcal> I've a couple things
20:42:42 <MrsB> fire away!
20:42:50 <wilcal> Cups printing in M5B1 looks solid right now
20:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> We have a page for iso testers that we could ask colin to add to ldap, but don't have a list for regular qa members.
20:43:02 <wilcal> lots of good work there to make it right
20:43:14 <Kernewes> I'll try and check the printing side over the weekend
20:43:20 <wilcal> Here comes the big one:
20:43:31 <wilcal> I'd like to point to an on going bug that effects now M5B1 but has been
20:43:32 <wilcal> around for awhile:
20:43:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969
20:43:35 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, Normal, olav, ASSIGNED , embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales, gtk+3.0
20:43:35 <wilcal> This one I think effects maybe 15% of the potential install base.
20:43:36 <MrsB> that's good, philippe has put alot of work into it I think wilcal
20:43:36 <wilcal> I've seen this before and I believe there was a solution on M4.
20:43:38 <wilcal> I can at least reproduce it 100% of the time with the KDE Live-DVD 64-bit
20:43:40 <wilcal> every time. It's, IMO, a potential release blocker.
20:43:41 <wilcal> I ask if the title of this bug is clear enough and It applies lots of places.
20:44:08 <wilcal> the black screens in the MCC could be a really severe problem hiding there
20:44:26 <wilcal> kudos to philippe
20:44:37 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure the bug report includes which locales it's showing up in.
20:44:42 <MrsB> so is it KDE installs and not gnome installs?
20:44:51 <wilcal> I think it goes way beyond the locale thingy
20:45:20 <wilcal> I'm just work'n the english KDE but as I poke at it I should get a better idea what's going on
20:45:36 <dvg_i> Yeah but is a gtk2 -> 3 fallout. IOW bug #11778
20:45:38 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11778 normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , [TRACKER] gtk2 -> gtk3 fallouts
20:45:59 <wilcal> Maybe we should look at similar bugs and consolidate into one
20:46:08 <MrsB> let's set release blocker and see what happens
20:46:18 <dvg_i> If that cant be fixed, we wont have m5 -- if it were blocking
20:46:38 <dvg_i> it is in 11778
20:46:47 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: It's a pretty critical bug, so it should be a blocker.
20:47:19 <wilcal> Thanks all for look'n at it
20:47:22 <MrsB> ok, set it release blocker, it should get picked up at the next packagers meeting
20:47:33 <dvg_i> True, but as they all are blocking 11778, in cae *that* one is not fixed, we wont hve M5
20:47:44 <dvg_i> case...
20:47:50 <Akien> Yes it's really important that we make the developers aware of the issues that we found during the beta1 testing
20:48:06 <Akien> Now is the best time for them to get things fixed so that beta2 can be as smooth as possible
20:48:09 <wilcal> Thanks MrsB
20:48:12 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: It just means m5 would have to be delayed, till it is fixed.
20:48:26 <MrsB> np :)
20:48:30 <Akien> (This is also and particularly valid for me, I think I have a couple things on the pad for which I might have not opened a bug report)
20:48:41 <MrsB> Is there anything else else ?
20:48:45 <MrsB> I guess..
20:48:47 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: sure. but i'm wondering what chance of a fix there really is?
20:48:48 <Kernewes> not here
20:49:05 <MrsB> #info please ensure you have created bugs for all issues found during beta 1 testing
20:49:25 <dvg_i> Akien: it can still be done :)
20:49:26 <Akien> dvg_i: If it really can't be fixed, then it's up to the devs and QA to decide whether we want to release even though some release blockers were not fixed.
20:49:38 <lewyssmith> gtk2->3 ? Yves uses gtk5.
20:49:39 <dvg_i> Akien: true
20:49:50 <MrsB> #info Just to restate - Luigi12 has volunteered to do a blog interview for the They Make Mageia series
20:49:58 <Akien> \o/
20:50:02 <wilcal> xbmc don't install on M5B1 don't know how severe that is
20:50:24 <MrsB> is there a bug for it wilcal?
20:50:32 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: If there is no fix, we'll have to find a work around.
20:50:38 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: you'll know you've really arrived when part of your interview gets on Distrowatch like MrsB's did
20:50:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407
20:50:50 <[mbot> Bug 14407: normal, Normal, anssi.hannula, NEW , xbmc cannot be installed or built, xbmc-13.0-1.mga5.i586
20:50:57 <wilcal> yours truly opened it
20:50:58 <lewyssmith> Not a blocker, but not trivial either.
20:50:58 <MrsB> as long as theres a bug it can be assigned and fixed
20:51:16 <MrsB> best to add coling to that big too
20:51:19 <MrsB> bug
20:51:20 <Akien> wilcal: Yes xbmc has been in the "broken dependencies" list for a while now:
20:51:20 <wilcal> some other minor ones I've opened
20:51:21 <Akien> http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html
20:51:22 <[mbot> [ dependencies global report ]
20:51:38 <Akien> So it's a known issue, but it's always good to have a BR too
20:51:55 <Akien> Basically all the packages in the list I linked are broken
20:52:04 <Akien> And that's a really small list currently :-)
20:52:08 <wilcal> Same thing with: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14422 i bet
20:52:09 <[mbot> Bug 14422: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , k9copy can't open disc, k9copy-2.3.8-5.mga5.i586.rpm
20:52:58 <Akien> :maint k9copy
20:52:59 <Sophie> Akien: For Mageia (k9copy): obgr_seneca
20:53:09 <Akien> :-) I'll have a look
20:53:13 <wilcal> and: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371
20:53:15 <[mbot> Bug 14371: normal, Normal, mageia, NEW , guvcview seg faults on opening, guvcview-1.7.3-3.mga5.i586.rpm
20:53:16 <NyB> Hmm, dunno if we should bother with xbmc... they've rebranded the thing and all...
20:53:40 <MrsB> only renamed it
20:53:42 <wilcal> keep it for M5 change it on M6?
20:54:12 <wilcal> We've frozen the M5 packages right?
20:54:41 <DavidWHodgins> Version freeze, not release freeze.
20:54:48 <MrsB> As long as there are bugs reported, it helps if you can assign them to maintainers too though so bugsquad aren't overloaded.
20:55:01 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: what's the difference?
20:55:10 <DavidWHodgins> So technically the new version could be added, provided it obsoletes the old xbmc
20:55:10 <lewyssmith> Thanks!
20:55:18 <Akien> Well that's a problem for the devs, maybe someone should try to update xbmc to version 13.2
20:55:33 <DavidWHodgins> In version freeze, version updates require permission.
20:56:02 <Kernewes> so what's release freeze?
20:56:20 <DavidWHodgins> In release freeze, no new packages, only bugfix and security patches applied to the version we already have.
20:56:30 <Kernewes> I see, thanks
20:56:38 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else?
20:56:43 <Kernewes> no no no
20:56:46 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:56:56 <lewyssmith> No.
20:57:02 <NyB> apart from the issues still being discussed in the m/l
20:57:11 <NyB> (the hplip thing...)
20:57:21 <wilcal> Just looking yes we should xbmc -> kodi
20:57:35 <NyB> wilcal: kodi stable is not released yet, though
20:57:39 <MrsB> what hplip thing?
20:57:44 <hviaene> And the dbus thing that keeps popping up
20:57:58 <NyB> MrsB: an IMHO rather severe security issue
20:58:13 <NyB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14600
20:58:14 <[mbot> Bug 14600: critical, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , hplip creates a world-writeable $HOME/.hplip/hplip.conf file, hplip-3.14.6-5.mga5.src.rpm
20:58:34 <NyB> you can actually compromise other user accounts through that
20:58:44 <MrsB> ohh yeah that's mga5. We don't worry too much about that until we get ISOs
20:58:56 <NyB> MrsB: OK :-)
20:59:12 <NyB> oh, and we still have the shadow thing for mga4
20:59:20 <MrsB> hviaene: it's nice to see the upstream maintainer on that
20:59:32 <MrsB> Let's wrap up then
20:59:38 <MrsB> Thanks everybody for coming
20:59:46 <MrsB> T - 5
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20:59:59 <MrsB> #endmeeting