20:06:00 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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20:06:13 <MrsB> Who's going to be Dave today?
20:06:24 * Luigi12_work technically is a Dave, but...
20:06:25 <Kernewes> is Dave snowed in?
20:06:28 <papoteur> Hi
20:06:32 <lewyssmith> Suggest Olivier.
20:06:37 <MrsB> #chair wilcal Luigi12_work
20:06:37 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Luigi12_work MrsB wilcal
20:06:40 <MrsB> done :)
20:06:55 <MrsB> Welcome everybody to another one
20:07:01 <wilcal> Luigi's in charge  :-))
20:07:21 <Luigi12_work> oops
20:07:25 <Luigi12_work> #topic Who's new?
20:07:27 <wrw105> I'm old but rare, or at least medium-rare...
20:07:33 <MrsB> oopsie
20:07:50 <MrsB> Ages: could you turn off your topic enforcement please
20:08:06 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
20:08:11 <Luigi12_work> well it let the bot change it, that's probably how it's supposed to work
20:08:12 <MrsB> thanks Dave btw
20:08:15 <Ages> yeah, sorry, tried to mute and now it is acting this way, one sec
20:08:22 <NyB_> do I count as new?
20:08:28 <Luigi12_work> yep
20:08:32 <MrsB> sure NyB_ why not :)
20:08:42 <MrsB> Welcome to the team
20:08:53 <NyB_> Thanks :)
20:08:54 <Ages> i'm going to exit this clinet and come back, hope that frees it, sorry
20:08:54 <swecarp> im probebley new hasent  donne anny thing in months
20:09:00 <MrsB> ok Ages thanks
20:09:22 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself NyB_ and the others will do the same
20:09:27 <RemyServices> better?
20:09:32 <wilcal> better
20:09:40 <lewyssmith> Yes, we know who you are.
20:10:12 <wrw105> Bill from Western Pennsylvania, 45, massage therapist, former chemist and tech supporter....who's about to run off to do a massage!
20:10:47 <MrsB> I'm Claire, QA team leader, 35 (that I'll admit to) and based in the UK. Started in the QA team when it was first created.
20:10:55 * dvg_i from central netherlands. retired tester
20:10:58 <MrsB> diogenese: !
20:11:04 <diogenese> Was that bad?
20:11:09 <MrsB> naughty
20:11:12 <Luigi12_work> sort of :o)
20:11:18 <RemyServices> David from Colorado, USA - Microsoft background, helping with Mageia when I can, working long days which has prevented me helping recently, likes to take over topics
20:11:34 <dvg_i> diogenese: thanks
20:11:37 <wilcal> Making lots of $$$$ Remy?
20:11:40 <wilcal> :-))
20:11:41 <Kernewes> Carolyn from Cornwall, UK, not going to lie about her age like some here
20:11:43 <NyB_> Theodoros from Athens, Greece - Computer Engineer and long-time PhD candidate. More pertinently long time Linux & Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia user/sysadmin...
20:11:56 <diogenese> I was putting back what you set earlier. Forgot about the meetbot. Sorry *hides*
20:11:58 <rindolf> I'm Shlomi Fish from Tel Aviv, Israel, looking for a job. Been using Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia for a long time.
20:11:59 <RemyServices> with my long hour days?
20:12:02 <wilcal> Athens kool
20:12:13 <lewyssmith> Lewis, Celtic expat in France.
20:12:19 <olivier_cc> Olivier, France, in QA team for a few weeks, and quite enjoying it !
20:12:26 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:12:27 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964 Computer Engineer 1968
20:12:29 <MrsB> ahh I didn't realise it was you Theodoros :D welcome
20:12:42 <hviaene> Herman from Belgium, retired and tired after 65km on bike (unassisted) this afternoon
20:12:56 <wilcal> good for you
20:12:58 <NyB_> MrsB: Old nick - Old habits die hard...
20:12:59 <dvg_i> hviaene: to be proud of
20:13:00 <Kernewes> hviaene: well done
20:13:03 <lewyssmith> Excellent.
20:13:34 <swecarp> mårten 51 sweden
20:13:35 <MrsB> Have you joined the qa-bugs mailing list aswell as the qa-discuss NyB_?
20:14:10 <MrsB> It's nice to have somebody new to welcome isn't it
20:14:21 <Kernewes> yes
20:14:27 <NyB_> MrsB: yes, although gmail is playing games with some messages :-)
20:14:40 <MrsB> yes it tends to hide ones that go to multiple ML's
20:14:43 <swecarp> yes a reminder about where ppl live
20:15:05 <MrsB> swecarp takes the guessing away :)
20:15:13 <NyB_> MrsB: more importantly, it hides the ones that I send... sometimes... haven't pinned it down yet...
20:15:33 <MrsB> ahh yes, it does that too. It sees them as duplicates so hides them, to be helpful :\
20:16:04 <MrsB> Have you found our wiki pages, the your first steps one?
20:16:30 <NyB_> ah, wiki is up again :-)
20:16:31 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Your_first_steps_in_the_QA_team
20:16:55 <tmb> yep, I gave it a big kick :)
20:17:03 <MrsB> We need to find you a mentor NyB_
20:17:19 <MrsB> I'd volunteer myself but I'm a bit tied up for the next few weeks
20:17:31 <Kernewes> me too
20:17:33 <MrsB> Any volunteers?
20:18:12 <lewyssmith> If no-one else...
20:18:15 <NyB_> MrsB: I am in no hurry - I'm struggling for time myself. I can just keep submitting bugs and working on the sidelines...
20:18:23 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: you're doing well with Olivier
20:18:24 <RemyServices> id like to be un-mentored so that we can free a mentor, I'm too busy to be of use
20:18:37 <lewyssmith> Kernewes, He is doing well with me!
20:18:38 <olivier_cc> yes he is a very good mentor :)
20:18:40 <MrsB> we need people to test the updates for Mageia 4 though NyB_
20:18:49 <MrsB> lewis, you're it :)
20:19:20 <MrsB> RemyServices: contribute when you can, it's still valuable
20:19:30 <hviaene> Is my mentor out of town?
20:19:35 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: right time zone too
20:19:44 <RemyServices> MrsB: Will do, but we can free Dave to another member if he would like
20:19:45 <MrsB> Are you with stormi hviaene?
20:19:51 <hviaene> Yes
20:20:11 <MrsB> Akien would know (his brither)
20:20:14 <MrsB> brother
20:20:25 <Kernewes> didn't know they were brothers
20:20:27 <MrsB> sorry it'll be another typo night, long day today
20:20:31 <NyB_> MrsB: I'll see about getting an mga4 install on KVM
20:20:31 <hviaene> He helped me out a few times
20:20:42 <Kernewes> MrsB: how's the job going?
20:21:16 <MrsB> NyB_: lewyssmith will be a mentor for you, he knows what he is doing and is a good mentor
20:21:33 <MrsB> ok thanks Kernewes, alot to do in a short space of time
20:21:50 <NyB_> good to meet you lewyssmith :)
20:22:03 <MrsB> lewis did you see NyB_'s email to qa-d earlier
20:22:17 <MrsB> can get in touch that way to begin with
20:22:18 <olivier_cc> lewys is multi-boot and multi-mentor specialist !
20:22:27 <Kernewes> :)
20:23:03 <lewyssmith> MrsB, OK. Looked earlier, but it was not there then.
20:23:18 <MrsB> thanks lewis :)
20:23:55 <MrsB> Officially welcome to the team NyB_. We don't believe in silly questions so please never hesitate to ask anything if you get stuck at any time
20:24:02 <Luigi12_work> ready to move this train to the next station?
20:24:04 <tarazed> 
20:24:06 <NyB_> MrsB: thanks :)
20:24:07 <MrsB> yep, thanks Dave
20:24:11 <Luigi12_work> #topic Beta 1 - how did we do?
20:24:14 <Kernewes> tarazed: there you are
20:24:43 <MrsB> I was absent for the latter part of testing so how do you all think we did?
20:24:55 <Kernewes> I missed the latter part as well
20:25:03 <MrsB> it was a bit of a marathon this time, that's for sure
20:25:03 <lewyssmith> Lots of people were at it.
20:25:08 <Luigi12_work> quite a process.  It almost seems like a surprise that it's released :o)
20:25:16 <wilcal> By the time we released it on Mon it had really settled down and was ready to go
20:25:17 <MrsB> lol yes indeed
20:25:29 <Kernewes> the blog explanation is almost as long as the wiki
20:25:35 <wilcal> Still a lot of wrinkles but nothing preventing the release
20:25:36 <MrsB> #info lots of people involved themselves in testing \o/
20:25:49 <dvg_i> yes good
20:26:12 <MrsB> about the team though and our collaboration and processes, anybody any comments?
20:26:26 <wilcal> any testing is great testing and there was a lot of testing
20:26:47 <lewyssmith> I got the impression that developers were closer this time, watching things.
20:27:00 <wilcal> I think everyone worked in areas where they were good at like the Gnome experts really showed up
20:27:12 <MrsB> #info it felt like devs were more reactive for this release which was good, thanks guys
20:27:13 <olivier_cc> the last isos were very efficient on my hardware, congratulations to tmb ennael and everyone who worked on them
20:27:49 <Kernewes> there was a lot of hard work went into it
20:28:02 <MrsB> is there anything we did that didn't work so well?
20:28:03 <tarazed> Len north of Hadrian's Wall.  Retired but working 24/7
20:28:03 <wilcal> I get the feeling that M5 is "quicker" but is really more effcient
20:28:12 <olivier_cc> and amazing improvment between rounds
20:28:22 <MrsB> morning tarazed :)
20:28:39 <wilcal> The printer thing's a mess but that's not part of the ISO's
20:28:48 <MrsB> #info there were big improvements between rounds
20:28:57 <Kernewes> yeah, the printing needs sorting
20:28:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Explain?
20:29:04 <hviaene> I lost track of it: are the Live DVD's any good now?
20:29:09 <wilcal> hold a sec lew
20:29:19 <MrsB> I hope so hviaene, they were released already
20:29:29 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: printer configuration, I can't set up my HP MFD
20:29:51 <MrsB> philippem is doing some work on system-config-printer at the moment
20:29:53 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14440
20:29:54 <[mbot> Bug 14440: major, High, makowski.mageia, NEW , Can not install new printers with mcc - hangs on "searching for drivers"
20:29:59 <Kernewes> great
20:30:29 <lewyssmith> It hung on 4.1, but got there in the end 2nd time round for me.
20:30:32 <MrsB> Overall then, apart from being a bit of an extended nightmare, things went ok?
20:30:43 <Luigi12_work> s-c-p is supposed to be fixed as of a few hours ago
20:30:53 <dvg_i> MrsB: yes\
20:30:53 <Kernewes> I'm using the released dual and seems good so far
20:30:54 <MrsB> cool thanks Dave
20:30:57 <wilcal> Still some broken apps but they'll get sorted out
20:31:03 <NyB_> Luigi12_work: s-c-p = ?
20:31:07 <Luigi12_work> system-config-printer
20:31:20 <NyB_> ah, got it
20:31:24 <MrsB> let's move on then, this is the omportant one comign next..
20:31:29 <MrsB> i*
20:31:31 <Luigi12_work> #topic Testing Updates
20:31:36 <MrsB> thanks
20:31:50 <MrsB> So does everybody know how to go about testing updates?
20:32:21 <NyB_> MrsB: I assume that lewyssmith will let me know in detail?
20:32:39 <MrsB> yes NyB_, there is alot of information on the wiki though, a process to follow
20:32:45 <Kernewes> it's not the process so much as what to do with individual packages
20:32:53 <lewyssmith> NyB_, Yes, I will fill you in.
20:33:02 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates
20:33:20 <Kernewes> NyB_: not as bad as it looks when you've done a few
20:33:41 <MrsB> So are there any updates that look particularly scary?
20:33:42 <lewyssmith> Kernewes, says it all: what the hell is *this* all about? sort of thing.
20:34:19 <lewyssmith> Python jiblets has been saved by Philippe, super intervention.
20:34:35 <lewyssmith> So others can finish it off.
20:34:52 <wilcal> can we just push bacula on - please
20:35:13 <MrsB> yeah a nice procedure he gave IIRC lewis
20:35:33 <lewyssmith> wilcal, It is down to the packager I think.
20:35:38 <MrsB> isn't bacula still in need of attention
20:35:48 <lewyssmith> Believe so.
20:36:08 <olivier_cc> it seems stuck in a dead-end
20:36:12 <wilcal> Then we should change it's status on the listing
20:36:23 <MrsB> I've just added 'feedback'
20:36:27 <wilcal> or take it off the list and leave it where it is
20:36:33 <lewyssmith> There is nothing *we* can do further as it stands.
20:36:50 <wilcal> Also I think we can push the M3 kernels
20:36:51 <Luigi12_work> the packager has been traveling abroad lately
20:36:52 <MrsB> Thomas is usually quite good at responding to his bugs, let's wait and see
20:37:06 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: I'll validate the vbox/kernel bugs on Saturday
20:37:18 <Luigi12_work> sorry I didn't have time this past weekend
20:37:32 <wilcal> Super Luigi
20:37:44 <MrsB> Anything else there that looks scary?
20:37:57 <wilcal> gnutls update_testing rpm is not in the repos for M3??? I tested M4 ok today.
20:37:57 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:37:57 <lewyssmith> <Luigi12_work> He deserves it.
20:37:59 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:38:24 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: maybe check your mirror again?
20:38:43 <wilcal> I fiddled with it and the MCC didn't see the updates_testing rpm
20:38:48 <wilcal> for some reason
20:38:56 <MrsB> it was built wilcal, it possibly needs a subrel bump if it's not found
20:39:07 <wilcal> even tried to urpmi it
20:39:14 <Luigi12_work> that was my thought, but I doubled checked and the subrel bump was done
20:39:20 <Luigi12_work> updates has .3 and updates_testing has .4
20:39:30 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Olivier did great things with Qemu, but it was hard.
20:39:39 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: I see the update candidate on mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br so it should be on most mirrors now
20:39:43 <MrsB> you might just need to update package lists wilcal
20:39:43 <wilcal> I'll give it 24-hr I updated my repo just before i testing it this morning
20:40:09 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you tested it very shortly after I built it, so your mirror probably didn't have the mga3 one yet
20:40:36 <MrsB> qemu shouldn't be too difficult, there is a one liner which pterjan gave previously or you can use virt-manager which is a vbox like frontend
20:40:51 <olivier_cc> not too difficult but lengthy
20:40:52 <wilcal> so if Vbox, dbus and the kernels come off the list we're in pretty good shape
20:41:15 <MrsB> actually libvirt is there now too which can be tested with virt-manager too
20:41:17 <Luigi12_work> I think the challenge with the qemu one was the usb redirection, someone tested and didn't know how that was supposed to work.  Hopefully some of the people that previously said they know about the feature can chime in
20:41:28 <NyB_> virt-manager is nice, as long as you disable the CPU charts
20:42:02 * Luigi12_work posted another wireshark update just before the meeting
20:42:12 <MrsB> thanks for that :P
20:42:20 <Luigi12_work> :D
20:42:42 <NyB_> may I ask a stupid q? Where is palimsest on mga5?
20:42:47 <MrsB> wireshark is straight forward to test too usually. There are normally PoC's on the wireshark bugzilla too
20:42:48 <Luigi12_work> doesn't look like the update candidates should be scary except for maybe boinc-client?
20:43:06 <MrsB> There are no stupid questions NyB_
20:43:18 <Luigi12_work> also I'm not sure how to test srtp, but it's just updating mga3 to the version that shipped in mga4 so it can just be tested to make sure it installs
20:43:24 <MrsB> not sure of the answer though, Luigi12_work you have cauldron handy?
20:43:26 <NyB_> gnome-disk-utility claims to have it. I *know* I had it on mga4
20:43:49 <NyB_> but now it's gone, and not in the gnome-disk-utility package file list
20:44:10 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: I have a Cauldron VM that's from just before the (first) mass rebuild
20:44:10 <hviaene> Is there somwhere an explanation on what is this advisory? I don't quitde understand.
20:44:36 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: which advisory?
20:45:34 <hviaene> What does it mean? Akien told ma at a time not to spend tuime on a bug since it had an advisory????
20:46:03 <dvg_i> an advice from the o/s team to suggest strongly to upgrade and avoid a security risk, e.g.
20:46:12 <MrsB> The advisory is the text which explains the reason for the update. When we validate the update one of the team leaders or somebody with svn access will upload it to svn, usually myself or akien. When the update is pushed the advisory is used for information on the packages /versions and the info is sent to updates-announce ML and also listed on http://advisories.mageia.org
20:46:13 <[mbot> [ Mageia Advisories ]
20:46:20 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: oh you mean pidgin I think.  You tested that one after it was already validated and pushed.
20:46:54 <lewyssmith> hviaene, If an advisory exists, normally the bug has been tested.
20:46:57 <hviaene> I think it was that one
20:47:07 <Luigi12_work> NyB_: according to urpmf palimpsest is an icon and appears in a few different icon packages.  An icon for what I'm not sure.  There is no executable by that name in mga3, mga4, or Cauldron
20:47:23 <lewyssmith> hviaene, Pushed means the update is released.
20:47:40 <dvg_i> i thought palimpsest was a disk mgt utility?
20:47:50 <MrsB> sysadmins 'push' it from updates_testign into updates
20:47:52 <Luigi12_work> I have no idea.  Whatever it is, it's not in Mageia
20:48:08 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: if the bug status is RESOLVED FIXED then that one is done
20:48:19 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: we just test the update candidates that are still listed on http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
20:48:21 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:48:41 <lewyssmith> Who is mentoring hviaene ?
20:48:49 <MrsB> stormi
20:48:56 <lewyssmith> OK.
20:49:24 <lewyssmith> hviaene, This is just the sort of thing to ask your mentor.
20:49:33 <MrsB> Don't be afraid to ask questions on the ML or this channel at any time if you have something to ask and stormi isn't around hviaene
20:49:36 <hviaene> Yes, but below there is a section with validated updates, so I shoiuld disregard this?
20:49:48 <MrsB> yes that's right
20:49:57 <Luigi12_work> hviaene: the validated ones don't need any further testing (although you can feel free if you wish)
20:50:21 <hviaene> No, I hate work
20:50:28 <MrsB> \o/
20:50:30 <dvg_i> haha
20:50:32 <lewyssmith> Honest!
20:50:43 <lewyssmith> Join the crowd.
20:50:45 <MrsB> Let's do the roundup then Dave
20:51:12 <NyB_> Luigi12_work: seems gnome-disks may be the replacement/rebranding for palimpsest - in that case the gnome-disks-utility rpm description needs updating...
20:51:32 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:51:38 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping :)
20:52:38 <Luigi12_work> #topic Luigi's roundup
20:52:43 <Luigi12_work> hmm, who's that guy?
20:52:50 * MrsB shrugs
20:53:16 <Luigi12_work> ahh, it's-a me!
20:53:26 <MrsB> hiya luigi
20:53:31 <wilcal> Luigi a brief briefing on the shadow thing please
20:53:32 <MrsB> in best wilcal tone
20:53:40 <Luigi12_work> hello there :o)  I've been out of the office the past two days
20:53:44 <Luigi12_work> just trying to get caught up today
20:53:54 <MrsB> np, take your time
20:54:21 <MrsB> For those who don't yet know, Luigi12_work builds most of the security updates for us
20:54:24 <Luigi12_work> ok, so we'll likely have a mga4 update for the setup package soonish, as something went wrong somewhere (not sure where actually) and the /etc/shadow permissions are world readable on new mga4 installs
20:54:31 <dvg_i> i thought all was said on the ML
20:54:39 <dvg_i> about *shadow
20:54:40 <Luigi12_work> that allows any user on the system to view the password hashes and run them through a password cracker
20:55:13 <MrsB> yes, it'd be good to find out what caused that
20:55:22 <Luigi12_work> the problem isn't in the setup package itself, although it installed the file with the wrong permissions, before mga4 something else would fix the permissions to be correct.  In Mageia 4 this no longer happens.  We have no idea what previously used to fix the permissions.
20:55:47 <dvg_i> msec?
20:55:57 <Luigi12_work> nope
20:56:02 <dvg_i> ok
20:56:04 <Luigi12_work> you'd think it would be, but we checked that one
20:56:08 <MrsB> #info there will be an update for 'setup' at some stage to correct the /etc/*shadow permissions
20:56:09 <NyB_> Luigi12_work: could it be the installer? It would have to be the one to create those files///
20:56:15 <wilcal> Now I don't have a /etc/shadow directory in this computer???
20:56:30 <MrsB> it's a file
20:56:46 <wilcal> Ahhh i see it
20:56:49 <Luigi12_work> NyB_: the installer would be my next guess, although it could be ruled out if someone could confirm that a chroot urpmi mga3 installation has the correct permissions.  Would be interesting to check.
20:56:57 <MrsB> there's also gshadow wilcal
20:57:19 <MrsB> my mga3 VM has correct perms
20:57:19 <Luigi12_work> gshadow isn't that important since nobody really uses that in practice :o)
20:57:42 <Luigi12_work> yes older versions of mdv/mga were fine
20:57:48 <wilcal> and I can open them with kwrite as a user
20:57:56 <Luigi12_work> yes that's bad
20:58:16 <NyB_> Luigi12_work: there was a message in the m/l about screen unlocking issues with the tigher permissions. Would chgrp to "shadow" solve that?
20:58:28 <wilcal> Are we the only distro with this?
20:58:33 <wilcal> problem
20:58:45 <MrsB> yes NyB_, see the cauldron bug
20:59:04 <MrsB> bug 14194
20:59:05 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14194 major, release_blocker, bugsquad, RESOLVED FIXED, permissions of /etc/shadow are funny and screw some auth credentials, setup-2.7.20-10.mga5.src.rpm
20:59:07 <Luigi12_work> NyB_: it should, the permissions have always *not* been world readable, so fixing it correctly wouldn't break screen unlock.  If it is something else is wrong, and I guess it's the group ownership.
20:59:28 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes it's quite embarassing really
20:59:52 <MrsB> not something you regularly check though is it,
20:59:53 <Luigi12_work> unfortunately it's been wrong in the setup package but whatever used to fix the permissions hid that problem.
21:00:05 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: indeed.  You kind of just assume it'll be correct.
21:00:22 <MrsB> anything else in the pipeline?
21:00:26 <Luigi12_work> we found this issue by accident when there was an unrelated issue with /etc/shadow permissions in Cauldron
21:00:30 <Luigi12_work> yep
21:00:31 <NyB_> MrsB: can we sanitize that bug somehow? The first few comments propose making /etc/shadow world-readable as a solution...
21:00:42 * tmb has to go, bye...
21:00:44 <Luigi12_work> bug 14194 is closed
21:00:47 <Luigi12_work> tmb: good night
21:00:49 <MrsB> that is a cauldron bug, it's fixed there and that bug is closed
21:00:52 <wilcal> bye tmb
21:00:53 <MrsB> nite tmb
21:00:59 <MrsB> good luck unboxing!
21:01:08 <rindolf> tmb: night.
21:01:13 <Luigi12_work> ok, I just filed a bug for another XML entity expansion issue in ruby, just like the one we just validated
21:01:24 <dvg_i> tmbthanks
21:01:31 <MrsB> #info another ruby update is coming
21:01:41 <MrsB> tarazed ^^ olivier_cc
21:01:49 <lewyssmith> tarazed, Len?
21:01:52 <MrsB> yes
21:02:06 <lewyssmith> Wanted to wake him.
21:02:17 <Luigi12_work> several new CVEs in imagemagick.  I've known about some for a couple weeks, one for just a couple days, but it'll take some time to locate the patches for all of them for stable updates.
21:02:23 <tarazed> Sure, will do.
21:02:29 <hviaene> Just checked a Mint17 VM: /etc/shadow is group  owned shadow, world not readable
21:02:32 <Benmc> 1-
21:02:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks!
21:02:41 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
21:02:46 <MrsB> morning Benmc
21:02:50 <Luigi12_work> filed bugs last friday for Java packages called wss4j and xml-security, so no idea when or if those will get fixed
21:02:59 <MrsB> #info imagemagick coming too
21:03:11 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on Oden for asterisk and polarssl and maybe php-smarty, although I can probably backport the last one myself
21:03:28 <MrsB> #info and a couple of java packages - wss4j and xml-security
21:03:32 <Luigi12_work> also a new libreoffice CVE, no ETA on when we'll fix that though.  Certainly not before the mga3 EOL.
21:03:50 <Luigi12_work> so not too much really
21:03:55 <MrsB> #info oden input needed for asterisk, polarssl & php-smarty
21:04:14 <MrsB> #info LO update coming again too
21:04:32 <MrsB> how are you finding it now getting hold of maintainers?
21:04:52 * Luigi12_work has 49 bugs not assigned to QA
21:04:54 <hviaene> My boss is calling, have to go
21:05:02 <MrsB> nite hviaene thanks for coming
21:05:08 <Luigi12_work> one of the maintainers was on IRC recently and didn't respond to me
21:05:10 <hviaene> Good evening everyone
21:05:13 <olivier_cc> bye hviane
21:05:24 <olivier_cc> and ok for ruby MrsB !
21:05:31 <MrsB> #info There are 49 security updates waiting for maintainers
21:05:40 <MrsB> \o/ olivier_cc
21:05:40 <Luigi12_work> some of the maintainers have gotten back on top of their packages recently, so that's good
21:06:05 <olivier_cc> are there anymore for Mageia3 luigi ?
21:06:12 <MrsB> we'll not name and shame, worth a ping on dev ML though so we don't end up with a load when beta 2 arrives
21:06:41 <Luigi12_work> I should push the ffmpeg update for mga3 soon so that can get done
21:07:25 <MrsB> #info Please packagers respond to these updates early so that we're not inundated just as beta 2 ISOs land
21:07:31 <Luigi12_work> also have a few bugs that are just stuck because of mga3, so at EOL they'll become unstuck and we'll have some mga4 updates pushed to QA
21:07:46 <MrsB> yeah that's what normally happens
21:07:55 <Luigi12_work> geary, and gnome-shell/gnome-settings-daemon come to mind
21:08:24 <MrsB> cool, anythign else Luigi12_work?
21:08:43 <Luigi12_work> hopefully I'll have time to fix imagemagick for mga3, not sure, I should do ffmpeg, other than that, nothing definite left for mga3, but we'll see what pops up in the next few days
21:08:47 <Luigi12_work> I guess I'm done
21:08:56 <wilcal> A round of applause for Luigi all
21:09:04 * Kernewes claps
21:09:04 <olivier_cc> clap clap clap :))
21:09:05 <MrsB> thanks for an excellent roundup
21:09:09 <wilcal> clap clap
21:09:11 <Luigi12_work> #topic Anything else?
21:09:19 <MrsB> thanks Dave
21:09:24 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
21:09:25 <NyB_> I have a couple of questions
21:09:28 <MrsB> shoot
21:09:43 <NyB_> 1. What is the process w.r.t. intermittent bugs/glitches?
21:10:01 <Kernewes> you mean whether to report them?
21:10:11 <NyB_> e.g. I had an issue with GPM the other day, but I have not been able to reproduce it...
21:10:18 <MrsB> 1. create a bug report and try to find information from the journal, ~/.xsession-errors etc
21:10:21 <NyB_> Kernewes: exactly that
21:11:20 <Kernewes> is there any info about finding info from sources like that?
21:11:44 <Kernewes> I have to wait until the packager asks me to attach a report from something
21:11:57 <MrsB> ~/.xsession-errors is a log of erros from GUI applications
21:12:15 <lewyssmith> This is the sort of thing to add to the ISO Testing Wiki.
21:12:26 <Kernewes> just what I was going to say
21:12:31 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
21:12:34 <MrsB> journalctl is the command to browse the journal, you can find options for it with man journalctl, a useful one is journalctl -b which shows the last boot
21:12:34 <NyB_> the second question is about the shadow issue: How widely is it known? Do/Should we let people know that e.g. their password hashes may have been compromised? It might be of importance for multi-user Mageia installations.
21:13:08 <NyB_> I know that it's an embarassing issue, but...
21:13:19 <MrsB> imho the more publicity it gets the greater an issue that is likely to be
21:13:44 <lewyssmith> Is it not easily correctable with chmod etc?
21:13:45 <Luigi12_work> there will be an advisory when the update is released
21:13:48 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: it is
21:13:58 <lewyssmith> So it is not so bad.
21:14:11 <MrsB> it's a security bug, there are lots of security bugs, we've a never ending list of them waiting to be validated
21:14:20 <NyB_> lewyssmith: it is, as long as people bother updating...
21:14:33 <lewyssmith> Os chmod'ing?
21:14:38 <lewyssmith> Or
21:14:52 <NyB_> lewyssmith: Or, yes...
21:15:36 <lewyssmith> Quickie;;;
21:15:43 <MrsB> go for it
21:15:44 <NyB_> OK, so I'd better fix my own mga4 installs before the script-kiddies storm in (just kidding)
21:15:50 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc: papoteur: I was ready to launch the new Wiki pages with your stuff, but it was constipated. Will do that tomorrow & keep you informed.
21:15:55 <MrsB> yes, don't panic NyB_
21:16:13 <MrsB> lol constipated
21:16:16 <olivier_cc> ok, nice lewys
21:16:30 <NyB_> MrsB: nah, I've seen much worse...
21:16:40 <MrsB> you're doing big magic with the wiki lewis
21:16:42 <papoteur> lewyssmith: OK
21:17:04 <Luigi12_work> drink lots of water
21:17:31 <MrsB> hmm i'll hold dbus for now Luigi12_work, it's not completing the boot mga3, don't know if it's related though
21:17:46 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: It's running fine for me on mga3 i586
21:17:54 <MrsB> yeah it did me earlier too
21:18:06 <MrsB> i had a crash though so it's maybe corrupted it
21:18:14 <Luigi12_work> fun :o(
21:18:37 <Kernewes> MrsB: didn't think your computers would dare crash
21:18:40 <MrsB> #info Could people please double check dbus on mga3
21:18:47 <olivier_cc> will do
21:19:00 <MrsB> i think it was a HW problem, just froze
21:19:19 <MrsB> the VM isn't completing the boot now though
21:19:24 <Kernewes> wonder if Dave H's has frozen
21:19:30 <Kernewes> very cold there
21:19:31 <wilcal> I'll take a look a the dbus thingy
21:19:37 <MrsB> please, thanks
21:19:39 <Luigi12_work> polar vortex will make it freeze
21:19:45 <Kernewes> brrr
21:19:48 <MrsB> ok is there anything else else else?
21:19:50 <lewyssmith> Yes: How is Dave?
21:20:21 <MrsB> Not heard anything lewis, I only see him at meetings these days
21:20:37 <lewyssmith> Does he show up at least?
21:20:51 <MrsB> trying to remember if he was at the council meeting on monday
21:20:55 <MrsB> i'll check after
21:20:57 <Kernewes> thought I saw his name there
21:21:01 <NyB_> Dave?
21:21:09 <lewyssmith> Will tell you.
21:21:11 <Kernewes> NyB_: the other one
21:21:11 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins
21:21:15 <dvg_i> i saw him once or twice visiting riseup pad
21:21:39 <MrsB> #info Take care Dave, you're missed
21:21:45 <MrsB> let's wrap up then
21:21:52 <MrsB> T - 5
21:21:57 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
21:21:58 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
21:22:00 <MrsB> 4
21:22:01 <MrsB> 3
21:22:03 <MrsB> 2
21:22:03 <olivier_cc> bye everyone
21:22:04 <MrsB> 1
21:22:06 <Kernewes> are we landing on a comet?
21:22:07 <dvg_i> bye
21:22:07 <MrsB> #endmeeting