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20:00:49 <Luigi12_work> I'll do a roundup e-mail later.  Just a couple notes:  I plan to validate the main kernels and virtualbox this weekend.  We need to get the mga3 updates validated ASAP since we're running out of time.  That is all.
20:00:57 <Kernewes> ah there he is
20:01:00 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:01:00 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:01:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:01:12 <wilcal> Thanks for being here David
20:01:13 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: swift as ever
20:01:52 <DavidWHodgins> So, is there anyone here who has not been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:02:16 <Kernewes> if so, you'll now find out what you've been missing
20:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it, so we'll move on.
20:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 1 - Everybody testing? How is it? Major issues?
20:03:09 <Akien> bbl
20:03:19 <wilcal> I finally had some time in the last couple days to test M5B1
20:03:21 <Kernewes> I only got as far as round 3, what round are we on now?
20:03:34 <wilcal> a new round came out yesterday
20:03:50 <Kernewes> is that 5?
20:04:11 <wilcal> directories should be dated 4th & 5th
20:04:20 <wilcal> PAD has been cleared
20:04:20 <DavidWHodgins> The latest live iso images are dated Nov. 5th, while the latest classical are dated Nov. 4th.
20:04:32 <Kernewes> ah right
20:05:11 <Kernewes> can't do anything this weekend though
20:05:39 <DavidWHodgins> Other then the efi problems and gdm keyboard layout problems, any other major problems found?
20:05:41 <wilcal> I think ennael would like this to be the one that gets turned loose
20:05:59 <Kernewes> Hp printer issues
20:06:13 <Kernewes> One new bug which looks similar to the one I reopened
20:07:06 <Kernewes> mine is 8013
20:07:15 <wilcal> Maybe the final go on Monday if nothing major is found
20:07:45 <RemyServices> I will try to get some testing in this weekend
20:08:19 <wilcal> Ya I think the plan here is to test like crazy this weekend and if nothing major is found turn it loose Monday
20:08:35 <wilcal> That work for you ennael?
20:08:45 <Kernewes> sorry, I can't because I have to take the Remembrance Sunday service at one of the local chapels
20:08:55 <ennael> that would be great
20:09:13 <wilcal> I will be at the meeting on Monday ennael
20:09:35 <Kernewes> 14256 is the other HP bug
20:09:41 <wilcal> Looking for show stoppers
20:09:44 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone remember, this is just the first beta, so releasing it with some bugs that would be release blockers for final, is ok.
20:09:52 <RemyServices> to confirm, this b1r5 is slated to be the final release?
20:10:24 <wilcal> I'll connect my HP printer to my i586 M5 hardware this weekend
20:10:38 <DavidWHodgins> I've lost count of how many live/classical builds there have been, so just go by the date.txt file.
20:10:47 <wilcal> 4 anyway
20:10:50 <Kernewes> tmb: hello
20:10:56 <lewyssmith> The big guns arrive.
20:10:58 <wilcal> they're a lot better now
20:11:14 <wilcal> Hello tmb
20:11:16 <dvg_i> i didntg get any live from last build to work yet
20:11:19 <tmb> ha all
20:11:23 <dvg_i> which were 2x64 bit dvd
20:11:26 <tmb> hi*
20:11:44 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: HiYa
20:12:41 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: We are planning on validating the iso images for release on Monday, unless major problems are found. Ok with you?
20:13:13 <wilcal> What's the strange "starting version 217" duing the install I'm see'n
20:13:21 <dvg_i> systemd
20:13:45 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, yep, I'm ok with that
20:13:51 <wilcal> I think that's ok in this beta but's gotta go away
20:14:16 * dvg_i does not think he can get to live with these isos
20:14:33 <tmb> yep, it's systemd-udevd spitting out it's version, it should only go to logs, not console
20:14:39 <Kernewes> dvg_i: you mean get into a live desktop?
20:14:44 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: What type of problem are you getting?
20:15:20 <dvg_i> Kernewes: DavidWHodgins: as in the pad, neither 64 bit DVD gives me live mode
20:15:27 <wilcal> The KDE install I just got this morning from the LIve-CD went very well
20:15:32 <dvg_i> nothing whatsoever
20:15:42 <dvg_i> or only the version 217 line
20:15:51 <wilcal> In Vbox David?
20:16:03 <dvg_i> on real hw always here
20:16:50 <dvg_i> that was in KDE
20:16:53 <wilcal> I've a on real HW i586 KDE install that's been cook'n nicely for about a week now
20:17:06 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: Ok. That's the known efi problem, from what I can see in the pad.
20:17:10 <dvg_i> in Gnome i got soem errors, but couldnt restart X nor find the errors
20:17:31 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: it is a non-efi box
20:17:48 <lewyssmith> I am downloading the latest x64 Gnome Live DVD to try tomorrow (EFI).
20:17:57 <wilcal> hello olivier
20:17:59 <lewyssmith> Bonsoir Olivier.
20:18:25 <olivier_cc> hi wilcal and lewys and everybody, sorry for being late
20:18:35 <wilcal> no problema
20:18:38 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: HiYa
20:19:03 <Kernewes> olivier_cc: hello
20:19:33 <lewyssmith> Yves! bienvenu.
20:19:35 <wilcal> Note I really concentrate on KDE because that's what I understand best
20:19:44 <Kernewes> papoteur: hello
20:20:19 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: Looks like it might be a graphics card/driver issue. Try adding the kernel option xdriver=vesa
20:20:21 <papoteur> Hello qa team, Kernewes: lewyssmith
20:20:44 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: okay tks will do
20:21:21 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: While that might be a release blocker for final, it won't be for beta1.
20:21:39 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: okay. fine by me
20:22:14 <wilcal> the services look to be starting/restarting correctly now
20:22:32 <Kernewes> mga4gazer: hi
20:22:40 <tmb> dvg_i, another thing to do: remove "splash silent" from command line so you can see exactly where it stalls...
20:22:41 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: Do open a bug report, specifying what graphics card is being used.
20:22:43 <mga4gazer> Kernewes: lo
20:23:12 <dvg_i> tmb: DavidWHodgins: no problem, will do
20:23:46 <tmb> dvg_i, there is still some timing issues, so you could also try to add "divider=10"
20:24:15 <dvg_i> tmb: will do. thanks
20:24:35 <lewyssmith> Can these tips be MailListed?
20:25:07 <dvg_i> lewyssmith: they are now in your logs arent they?
20:25:26 <lewyssmith> I had thought of that...
20:25:40 <tmb> we could add them to iso qa wiki
20:25:56 <dvg_i> tmb: yes we all can who are here
20:25:59 <DavidWHodgins> The divider=10 goes back to bug44
20:26:18 <DavidWHodgins> The divider=10 goes back to bug#44
20:26:19 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images
20:27:01 <DavidWHodgins> The first bug I ever reported for Mageia, well before the qa team was formed.
20:27:21 <lewyssmith> Making history.
20:27:33 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:27:49 <RemyServices> sorry, have to go, fire drill coming up, always leave before the building sirens
20:28:04 <Kernewes> remember to leave before you put it on Facebook
20:28:12 <tmb> dvg_i, also you can try to remove the "vga=788" part too in case it's our bootsplash sucks again...
20:28:35 <dvg_i> tmb: will do :)
20:29:17 <DavidWHodgins> RemyServices: Ok, thanks for being here so far.
20:30:25 <DavidWHodgins> dvg_i: Normally the troubleshooting tips go into the errata.
20:30:52 <lewyssmith> Is the divider=10 thing just for VB? Or real h/w also.
20:31:05 <dvg_i> DavidWHodgins: Yup. I'm aware :)
20:31:21 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: It's for real hardware too, on old i586 systems.
20:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> Makes a noticeable difference in performance.
20:32:56 <DavidWHodgins> #info We are planning on releasing the current beta1 iso images on Monday, November 10th, unless major problems are found before then.
20:33:50 <DavidWHodgins> So everyone try to do as much testing before then, as you can.
20:34:01 <wilcal> I agree with the that plan David
20:34:31 <wilcal> look for show stoppers but not so much to get M5B1 in the field for wide testing
20:34:37 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else about beta1 or shall we move on?
20:34:45 <olivier_cc> should we test different environments on isos that permit it ?
20:34:53 <wilcal> I think the big chunks are behind us
20:35:01 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Yes. Real hardware, and virtualbox.
20:35:03 <wilcal> everything and anything
20:35:16 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc: Desktops? If possible, yes.
20:35:25 <olivier_cc> yes desktops
20:35:40 <lewyssmith> The Classic can keep you busy for a week.
20:35:49 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, test as many desktop managers as you have time for.
20:35:58 <olivier_cc> will do then
20:36:37 <lewyssmith> And that all applications start for each of them...
20:36:57 <DavidWHodgins> Especially mcc.
20:38:00 <lewyssmith> On now?
20:38:05 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:38:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - The list is long and getting longer
20:38:13 <wilcal> next topic
20:38:34 <wilcal> tmb: i have finished my kernel testing and for me all looks ok
20:38:44 <wilcal> whew!
20:38:51 <tmb> :)
20:39:06 <wilcal> Lets think about turning that loose Monday also
20:40:22 <tmb> or a couple of days before / after to avoid mirroring lag when isos hit the mirrors
20:40:35 <DavidWHodgins> Keep in mind Mageia 3 support ends on Nov. 19th, so any updates for it that have not been validated by then will be dropped.
20:40:36 <DavidWHodgins> Concentrate on the beta1 iso images until they are released, then the Mageia 3 updates, then the Mageia 4 updates.
20:40:38 <DavidWHodgins> #info Mageia 3 support ends on Nov. 19th, so any updates for it that have not been validated by then will be dropped.
20:40:41 <wilcal> IMO we should never release major updates on Fridays
20:41:05 <wilcal> Mon/Tue/Wed are best for majors
20:41:23 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Has the kernel causing the perl-urpm problems for the 4.1 iso images been dropped from the repos?
20:42:33 <DavidWHodgins> Might be better to hold the kernel/vb updates to tuesday, to avoid overloading mirror syncing.
20:42:50 <DavidWHodgins> That's assuming the iso images do go on Monday.
20:43:12 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, nope, I rebuilt it with fixed kmod.prov to get rid of too big provides, testbooted them and then replaced the kernels in /updates and re-generated hdlists
20:43:44 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok, Thanks for the update.
20:44:06 <tmb> since no changes to either kernels or toolchain had happend, I considered it safe to do
20:44:17 <DavidWHodgins> Sounds ok to me.
20:46:52 <DavidWHodgins> As we are concentrating on iso images for now, I think we should skip going over individual updates for this meeting.
20:47:04 <DavidWHodgins> Shall we move on?
20:47:08 <Kernewes> yes
20:47:17 <wilcal> I'll get back into updates a little this weekend
20:47:33 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:47:35 <Kernewes> I'll try to after Sunday
20:48:02 <DavidWHodgins> #info David Walser will email the roundup to the qa-discuss mailing list later today.
20:48:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:48:33 <Kernewes> not here
20:48:35 <wilcal> Not from me back to testing
20:48:43 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here either.
20:48:46 <wilcal> Thank you again for being here David
20:48:46 <Kernewes> bedtime for me
20:48:50 <olivier_cc> fine here
20:48:55 <Kernewes> wilcal: DavidWHodgins: thank you both of you
20:49:08 <lewyssmith> OK here. Thanks Dave.
20:49:28 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Will you handle the email to the qa-discuss mailing list with the log links, after the meeting?
20:49:42 <wilcal> will do
20:49:59 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, Thanks everyone for showing up!
20:50:02 <wilcal> Count it down david
20:50:05 <DavidWHodgins> 5
20:50:08 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:50:10 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:50:10 <lewyssmith> Quickie: The VM LAN HowTo is in progress.
20:50:24 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Ok, Thanks.
20:50:27 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:50:27 <Kernewes> I linked to the EFI page on the wiki
20:50:38 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:50:43 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting