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19:07:05 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another one
19:07:15 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:07:15 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:07:17 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  Who's new? If you're new, come and introduce yourself
19:07:21 <MrsB> tah :)
19:07:30 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today
19:07:38 <work> hello
19:07:43 <MrsB> hello work
19:07:47 <olivier_cc> hi work
19:08:03 <MrsB> welcome to the QA team
19:08:07 <lewyssmith> work Welcome.
19:08:09 <work> sorry that should be Benmc
19:08:16 <wilcal> Hard at work
19:08:22 <MrsB> work = benmc?
19:08:49 <DavidWHodgins> work: How are things in New Zealand?
19:08:57 <work> Lewis, i have just recieved you scrool.
19:09:07 <MrsB> glad you could make the meeting work
19:09:26 <lewyssmith> Scrool?
19:09:35 <work> Lond email
19:09:39 <MrsB> mixture of school and drool
19:09:57 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:10:07 <olivier_cc> didn't get any scrool from lewys for my part
19:10:59 <MrsB> welcome to the meeting then work, but you don't count as new :D
19:11:22 <MrsB> what was next
19:11:34 <MrsB> oh yes
19:11:41 <MrsB> #topic Mentoring update
19:11:50 <MrsB> How's it going?
19:11:51 <lewyssmith> work: What is your time now?
19:12:14 * DavidWHodgins hasn't had the energy to really help remiservices.
19:12:18 <MrsB> for my part, I've not seen or heard from rehcla since last week so no start three yet
19:12:33 <Luigi12_work> who's mentoring olivier_cc?  He's been doing an awesome job.  Much appreciated.
19:12:42 <olivier_cc> thats lewys
19:12:44 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: 0812
19:12:51 <wilcal> How you do'n olivier?
19:12:54 <Luigi12_work> nice job both of you then
19:12:57 <work> Lewis 8.15 - Daylight saving has just kicked
19:13:05 <olivier_cc> having fun and headaches
19:13:15 <MrsB> wilcal, hows things with you ?
19:13:34 <lewyssmith> I find it takes a fair amount of time, but I probably over-react, say too much.
19:13:44 <wilcal> Seemed pretty quite. I suspect I'll see more when the isos show up
19:13:54 <MrsB> who were you mentoring wilcal?
19:13:59 * MrsB can't remember
19:14:19 <MrsB> #action MrsB create a wiki page to keep track of mentoring
19:14:41 <Luigi12_work> wasn't wilcal mentoring tarazed?
19:14:47 <MrsB> no that was me
19:14:52 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Is it necessary? It would change all the time.
19:15:07 <MrsB> well, we can each update it with who we're looking after
19:15:07 <wilcal> the person I am mentoring a little contact last week then quiet
19:15:25 <MrsB> you have to keep prodding wilcal
19:15:38 <olivier_cc> I guess lewys will have hard work to do with me when the beta is out
19:15:46 <lewyssmith> I find *they* prod me.
19:15:55 <MrsB> tarazed how do you think it's going? You've done a few bits now. Starting to get the hang of it?
19:16:09 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc: You joke. You are completely on top of things.
19:16:15 <DavidWHodgins> Thanksgiving weekend here, this coming weekend, so I'll be using up most of my energy at family gatherings.
19:17:13 <MrsB> you win this weeks top mentor then lewis i think
19:17:37 <MrsB> morning RemyServices
19:18:06 <RemyServices> Good morning, sorry about being mia recently
19:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> RemyServices: Anything you need help with? If so, email me at davidwhodgins@gmail.com
19:18:24 <MrsB> It's OK, Dave has been a bit quiet too.
19:18:29 <wilcal> Hello Remy
19:19:12 <RemyServices> DavidWHodgins: I will get my questions to you, I need to do that... For now I'm ok, just need some time to get back to it all
19:19:41 <lewyssmith> FWIW I have tried to prime my charges with general advice about testing ISOs.
19:19:49 <MrsB> #info Mentors please keep prodding people to keep them active. It's the best way to learn!
19:20:18 <MrsB> I think we've seen this week why it's important to have a healthy QA team
19:20:31 <MrsB> The pace of updates now is more like normal
19:20:43 <lewyssmith> That was never in doubt.
19:20:46 <MrsB> we can expect this to continue now
19:21:07 <DavidWHodgins> Which also brings up the point, that no one should push themselves too much.
19:21:11 <MrsB> can also expect to have a backlog to work through when the ISOs are released
19:21:36 <DavidWHodgins> Long term participation is more important than anyone's health.
19:21:51 <lewyssmith> Disagree.
19:21:52 <wilcal> I still try to poke at 1 or 2 a day. I may not make any progress. Never on Sunday :-))
19:21:58 <MrsB> it is,yeah. Many hands make light work
19:22:30 <MrsB> testing is performed better with more people involved too
19:22:31 <wilcal> I am also trying to stay away from the easy ones ( FIrefox )
19:22:50 * sander85 got hit by very nasty bug on mga4 :/ after latest updates wifi drops dead and then reconnects.. i booted into older kernel but nothing.. currently i downgraded wifi firmware, but not sure if that helps either..
19:23:04 <MrsB> meeting sander85
19:23:05 <wilcal> remember to go after the red security bugs as best you can
19:23:46 <sander85> MrsB: oh, sorry :)
19:23:49 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:23:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Beta 1 ISOs - Some progress..
19:24:11 <RemyServices> I know dokuwiki well, however I can't test ldap currently so I figure I shouldn't chime in
19:24:14 <MrsB> As you know these have yet to make an appearance
19:24:33 <wilcal> repo is empty right?
19:24:37 <MrsB> there is currently a problem with stage2
19:24:40 <MrsB> yeah
19:25:03 <MrsB> ennael and tv thought they'd found a solution today but it isn't right yet
19:25:15 <DavidWHodgins> RemyServices: I'd suggest using a virtualbox install, with a snapshot created just before testing ldap, so it's easy to back out.
19:25:17 <MrsB> tmb where are we with live isos please?
19:25:25 <lewyssmith> People are champing at the bit to get at Beta1.
19:26:11 <MrsB> ennael any update on classical?
19:26:13 <tmb> MrsB: it's the same as with the classical isos...
19:26:18 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Unlike Mageia 4, where fosdem was a deadline, Mageia 5 iso images will be released when they are ready.
19:26:42 <ennael> indeed waiting for stage2
19:26:58 <rindolf> Hi all.
19:27:07 <wilcal> If I tried a network install with the boot.iso how well would that work?
19:27:07 <MrsB> I'm not going to be as available as usual for this coming week, it's bad timing really. MrB has booked some time off for his birhday and my mum is coming to stay, so I won't be able to spend long periods on the computer
19:27:13 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I am pleased to hear that.
19:27:15 <tmb> the stage2 issues should hopefully mostly be resolved, we are hammering on some circular deps now...
19:28:10 <MrsB> #info isos are still not ready, currently stage2 and live are both suffering with some circular deps.
19:28:14 <ennael> that was a nice one
19:28:23 <lewyssmith> Dare I ask what *is* stage2?
19:28:29 <MrsB> #info MrsB less available next week
19:28:31 <ennael> otherwise content for isos look ok so it should be long
19:28:38 <ennael> lewyssmith: graphical part of installer
19:28:52 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: The actual installer. Stage one boots the system, then starts stage2.
19:29:22 <lewyssmith> Hence, the bulk of the affair. Thanks to both.
19:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> Stage2 may come from the same device used to boot stage1, or it can come from a network.
19:29:40 <wilcal> So probably not in the next few days
19:30:26 <MrsB> #info Thanks papoteur for the MageiaSync rpm (see qa-discuss)
19:30:42 <MrsB> #info and david
19:30:52 <lewyssmith> I haven't seen that yet.
19:30:59 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: I'm assuming you meant shouldn't, not should.
19:31:04 <olivier_cc> I didn't understand how to yse it
19:31:09 <olivier_cc> *use
19:31:20 <MrsB> you can install the rpm now
19:31:39 <papoteur> ;)
19:31:44 <lewyssmith> swecarp was awaiting it. I will tell him.
19:31:45 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: oups yes :)
19:31:53 <MrsB> Is everybody clear what they need to do when the isos are ready to test?
19:32:23 <olivier_cc> as long as lewys is clear, I am :)
19:32:36 <lewyssmith> [Ominous silence].
19:32:39 <MrsB> lol
19:32:57 <MrsB> anybody a bit lost with it all?
19:32:58 <DavidWHodgins> #info If anyone has questions on how to test iso images, please ask on the qa-discuss mailing list.
19:33:09 <lewyssmith> Or their mentor.
19:33:47 <DavidWHodgins> #info Or their mentor, especially about things like how to setup test environments.
19:34:00 <wilcal> I've got my Vbox all heated up and ready to go
19:34:25 <olivier_cc> about the mageiaSync, is it mageiaSync-master-zip ?
19:34:44 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Is it true that you can install a VM directly from the ISO image?
19:34:47 <MrsB> It's attached to the email on qa-discuss olivier_cc
19:34:56 <MrsB> you can just install it as any other rpm
19:35:24 <wilcal> I do all my initial testing in Vbox before i even touch real hardware
19:35:26 <olivier_cc> OK sorry, i missed that
19:35:35 <MrsB> np, i only saw it just now
19:35:51 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I meant from the .iso disc file.
19:36:16 <MrsB> papoteur: any chance you could put MageiaSync in updates_testing?
19:36:29 <wilcal> You point the Vbox client during the build at the iso file and it boots like a hardware system
19:36:33 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Thanks. Also depending on the boot device being used, you can attach it to a vm, so it looks like real hardware. Faster to use the iso image from a hard drive.
19:36:44 <wilcal> Yep
19:36:49 <lewyssmith> Just so.
19:36:53 <papoteur> MrsB: I am not packager, I have no rights to do it.
19:36:58 <wilcal> and the latest version of Vbox is quite good at all this
19:37:10 <MrsB> ahh ok, thnaks. Could you ask david G ?
19:37:54 <papoteur> MrsB: Yes I will. But he is less available these days.
19:38:09 <DavidWHodgins> papoteur: Probably best to ask on the dev mailing list, for one of the packagers to help.
19:38:16 <MrsB> maybe we can convince Luigi12_work to do it for us
19:38:27 <Luigi12_work> bad timing
19:38:34 <Luigi12_work> I have class starting back up tomorrow
19:38:34 <MrsB> So everybody is ready for ISOs when they arrive, that's good to know!
19:38:40 <Luigi12_work> I'll be teaching 4 of the next 5 weeks
19:39:06 <MrsB> it's only putting the rpm from qa-discuss into updates testing though
19:39:06 <olivier_cc> in fact I didn't miss the link for MageiaSync, I don't know how to install it. That will be more work for my mentor
19:39:12 <olivier_cc> :)
19:39:40 <lewyssmith> Merci. Moi non plus - pas encore.
19:39:53 <work> x2 lewis
19:39:55 <olivier_cc> resigning lewys ?
19:40:03 <lewyssmith> No.
19:40:12 <olivier_cc> Good :)
19:40:36 <MrsB> Ok let's move on
19:40:50 <MrsB> keep watch on qa-discuss for news!
19:41:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
19:41:08 <MrsB> dude :)
19:41:21 <DavidWHodgins> ☺
19:41:45 <MrsB> So as already said, the current pace of updates is more normal than the quiet of a few weeks ago
19:41:55 <MrsB> we're always busy
19:42:07 <MrsB> Are there any there which look scary now?
19:42:13 <wilcal> Something there all the time to poke at
19:42:26 <wilcal> Well me and KDE don't get along
19:42:38 <wilcal> Testing KDE is like throwing darts at a dart board. Throw enough darts
19:42:40 <wilcal> and you've hit everything. Not what I call structured testing.
19:42:47 <MrsB> did you install all the packages wilcal?
19:42:49 <tmb> wilcal: switch to Gnome :)
19:43:02 * tmb hides
19:43:02 <lewyssmith> docuwiki, perhpas. But tarazed said he knows the package, hooray!
19:43:07 <diogenese> Cruel.
19:43:09 <wilcal> What would you consider the main KDE install package
19:43:40 <MrsB> dokuwiki itself isn't difficult, but ldap is tricky, ennael is going to leave a procedure for us to follow for that one
19:43:42 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: kde is big enough, that for most of it's packages all we can do is confirm that the updates install cleanly.
19:43:55 <wilcal> Starting with which package
19:43:56 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you need to update all of them, you can't do it piecemeal
19:44:05 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: task-kde4
19:44:17 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: see the package lists attached to the bug to know which ones are relevant to the update
19:44:33 <wilcal> task-kde4 so noted. Thanks David
19:44:37 <MrsB> #info for KDE use MageiaUpdate and ensure you select all the packages listed on the bug which it shows
19:44:45 <lewyssmith> If necessary, sort the given pkgs list so it is in the sam order as MCC shows. Makes it much easier to pick them out.
19:44:56 <Luigi12_work> luckly most have a version 4.12.5 so they're easy to spot, but a few don't
19:45:10 <MrsB> it helps to have them in alphabetical order yes
19:45:22 <lewyssmith> It will be great to get all the KDE stuff out of the Updates Testing list.
19:45:25 <wilcal> Really a critical package to test this way.
19:45:33 <DavidWHodgins> #info Note that you have to install all of the packages before enabling the updates testing repo, or they will not show up in rpmdrake.
19:45:52 <MrsB> and also useful too yeah, sort MageiaUpdate by version, it can help to pick out packages from the same update
19:45:56 <wilcal> I'll poke at it somemore
19:45:57 <lewyssmith> Bill, there is a lot of +ve comment in the bug.
19:46:05 <Luigi12_work> #info assuming you don't already have KDE installed
19:46:15 <wilcal> KDE is my primary GUI
19:46:27 <lewyssmith> Poor soul.
19:46:31 <Luigi12_work> ?
19:46:37 <wilcal> Been using it forever
19:46:42 <MrsB> Don't spend all your time on KDE though please, tere are lots of other updates which can be tested while using it
19:46:46 <Luigi12_work> me too, since 1999.  Couldn't live without it.
19:46:59 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Not all kde packages are included in task-kde4, so we have to make sure they are all installed before updating.
19:47:03 <tmb> hm, "urpmi task-kde4" should pull in all of 4.12.5
19:47:06 <wilcal> Back in the day Luigi
19:47:15 <lewyssmith> It was great at KDE1.
19:47:28 <Luigi12_work> in the mailing list message about dokuwiki, the reporter said he stood up an Active Directory server that you could test against over the internet.  I haven't checked to see if it's still up, but if it is, that could save you from having to setup an LDAP server.
19:48:02 <MrsB> that would speed it up, it'd be useful to learn how to set up ldap though for other stuff too
19:48:04 <Luigi12_work> yeah KDE1 was the best version I think
19:48:08 <Luigi12_work> although KDE3 was really nice too
19:48:24 <MrsB> Any other scary updates?
19:48:28 <lewyssmith> Do any of us know how to do that? setup an LDAP server.
19:48:29 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: good point
19:48:41 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:48:42 <Luigi12_work> yeah I used to run an LDAP server at home for years
19:48:43 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:48:51 <Luigi12_work> until the Mageia 3 kernel broke the system I was running it on
19:49:04 <lewyssmith> Oh.
19:49:17 <MrsB> tmb have you seen the dbus bugs?
19:49:19 <DavidWHodgins> I've done it in the past, but can't remember much about it right now.
19:49:36 <Luigi12_work> http://linsec.ca/Using_OpenLDAP_for_User_Authentication  I used some of those instructions for setting it up originally
19:49:37 <[mbot> [ linsec.ca - Using OpenLDAP for User Authentication ]
19:49:52 <Luigi12_work> that doc is somewhat outdated now, but still has some good info
19:50:00 * MrsB waiting to see how ennael did it
19:50:08 <lewyssmith> Can you do it all on one machine?
19:50:15 <diogenese> Yes
19:50:16 <Luigi12_work> yeah
19:50:17 <MrsB> should be able to lewis
19:50:29 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes, using vb guests to test it with.
19:50:45 <lewyssmith> No, VMS, Dave.
19:50:53 <olivier_cc> just a question, openswan can only be tested with a network, or did I get it wrong
19:50:55 <DavidWHodgins> The server can be in a vb guest too, as long as you change the networking to bridged.
19:51:24 <Luigi12_work> for the sake of dokuwiki I'd think running the LDAP and HTTP servers on the same machine or VM would be fine
19:51:28 <MrsB> the reporter has confirmed the update fixes his issue so we can just do general tests on that one olivier_cc
19:51:37 <DavidWHodgins> Using bridged networking under vb allows the guests/host to see each other on the network.
19:51:47 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I meant I have no VMs. KIS.
19:51:47 <MrsB> there is a procedure listed, basically just ensuring the service starts/stops
19:51:52 <olivier_cc> ok, I'll have a go on it then
19:52:07 <MrsB> shouldn't need VM's lewis, you should be able to do it on one system
19:52:25 <lewyssmith> Point taken!
19:52:55 <olivier_cc> I gather from what david says that we can use VB to mock a network ?
19:53:01 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, I was still talking about ldap, not openswan, which I haven't looked at.
19:53:10 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Yes.
19:53:18 <MrsB> if you wish to, yes
19:53:45 <MrsB> As it's been confirmed fixed though I was just planning basic tests. You can delve deeper though if you like
19:54:03 <lewyssmith> olivier_cc: Dave & Bill are the Kings of this domain.
19:54:19 * MrsB wanders off
19:54:28 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: I've had 6 vb guests running (each with static ip addresses, defined in a local config file for name on the host), and could ssh between any of the guests, and the host.
19:54:40 <olivier_cc> wow
19:55:00 <DavidWHodgins> s /name/named/
19:55:19 <Luigi12_work> hey, where'd the queen go?
19:55:27 <MrsB> that's how i test mga3 atm. set bridged networking and they appear as normal computers on your lan
19:55:42 <DavidWHodgins> Both forward and reverse dns looks are configured, as some things like kolab require that.
19:55:49 <olivier_cc> somebody here to help me to set that up one day ?
19:56:01 <lewyssmith> [I hope so].
19:56:16 <olivier_cc> I love my mentor :)
19:56:18 <MrsB> on the settings, just select bridges instead of nt as the network type :)
19:56:22 <MrsB> bridged
19:56:24 <MrsB> nat
19:56:40 <MrsB> tyop niet
19:56:47 <diogenese> :)
19:56:50 <DavidWHodgins> olivier_cc: Probaly best to ask/answer questions like that on the qa-discuss mailing list so everyone can see the questions and answers.
19:56:51 <wilcal> I use both bridged and nat in Vbox
19:57:08 <lewyssmith> At the same time?
19:57:09 <wilcal> most routers support 256 IP's
19:57:16 <olivier_cc> ok david
19:57:21 <Luigi12_work> 254
19:57:26 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Yes, but either the router has to support dhcp, or static addresses are needed.
19:57:35 <wilcal> Yes I've brought up like 4 Vbox clients on my local LAN all at the same time
19:57:55 <MrsB> I give my vm's hostnames like mga332 and mga364
19:58:05 <wilcal> Each client takes about 1.5GB of memory so watch your DRAM usage
19:58:07 <MrsB> statis ip's
19:58:08 <diogenese> Good idea. I do the same
19:58:12 <MrsB> c
19:58:17 <wilcal> I've got 16GB of DRAM
19:58:26 <MrsB> Back on track then guys..
19:58:39 <MrsB> Any updates too scary to touch?
19:58:52 <wilcal> any progress on backula
19:58:57 <lewyssmith> Someone else needs to try bacula. I have hit the end.
19:59:09 <wilcal> I've can't figure it out either
19:59:23 <lewyssmith> Read the end of the bug.
19:59:35 <DavidWHodgins> I use name like i3v, x3v, etc, where the first letter indicates the arch, the second the release, and the third the fact that it's a vb install, not a hardware install where I replace the v with an a.
20:00:20 <MrsB> I'll have a look tmrw if I get a chance. It's MrB's b'day though and alot going on so might not get a chance
20:00:54 <MrsB> don't recall having much fun with bacula before
20:01:15 <DavidWHodgins> For bacula, from what I can see, it should only require testing that it starts with no syslog package installed.
20:01:28 <MrsB> fancy a crack at it Dave?
20:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> I'm too tired, and my eyes are  getting too sore.
20:02:00 <lewyssmith> The update might work with someone else. There is plenty of info to install it.
20:02:11 <MrsB> i'll have a look then when i get to it
20:02:22 <MrsB> there isn't much else at the moment.
20:02:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:02:46 <MrsB> we've pushed 24 updates in october so far
20:03:14 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping?
20:03:40 <DavidWHodgins> From what is on the open source security list, there may well be another bash update. Not clear yet though.
20:04:12 <MrsB> scared him off
20:04:21 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:04:28 <wilcal> Ya I heard about the afterbash update too
20:05:32 <DavidWHodgins> iirc we've had 3 bash updates in the last month. We will likely get at least two more in the next month.
20:05:40 <Luigi12_work> 24 already?  Wow, it's only the 9th.
20:05:54 <Luigi12_work> no we already did the last bash update
20:06:14 <DavidWHodgins> oss is discussing another possible update
20:06:18 <Luigi12_work> We had a total of 4 updates.  Nothing else is imminent.
20:06:29 <MrsB> you missed all the fun Dave
20:07:02 <DavidWHodgins> I installed all of the updates, and tested them, just didn't get around to updating bugzilla or advisories.
20:07:28 <lewyssmith> Well, David (Luigi), what's the bad news?
20:07:36 <DavidWHodgins> If I found a problem, I would have made sure it was pointed out.
20:07:43 <DavidWHodgins> brb
20:07:45 <MrsB> malo how are packagers doing with sec updates now pls?
20:08:15 <Luigi12_work> I don't see anything on oss-security that indicates that there will be any more bash updates
20:08:37 <Luigi12_work> furthermore, all known bugs in the parser (which are no longer security issues anyway, due to the prefix/postfix patch) have been fixed
20:08:54 <malo> MrsB: there are 50 left in the list. progress is slow.
20:09:07 <Luigi12_work> indeed
20:09:14 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 will be quite busy for the next month teaching so needs packagers to step up to get the updates out please!
20:09:20 <Luigi12_work> oh the roundup
20:09:22 <Luigi12_work> hehe
20:09:35 <malo> I'll send a reminder to packagers
20:09:41 <Luigi12_work> this week I've filed new bugs for sddm, getmail, php-ZendFramework, and chromium-browser-stable
20:09:47 <MrsB> #info currently 50 sec updates waiting, progress is slow
20:09:53 <wilcal> A weekly security podcast I listen to mentioned a bug in bugzilla.
20:09:55 <wilcal> Has that already been processed through our system?
20:09:56 <MrsB> thanks malo, could you keep ordding please
20:09:59 <MrsB> prodding
20:10:01 <Luigi12_work> yes, chromium-browser-stable, which we just pushed an update for.  It needs another one.  h8
20:10:07 <DavidWHodgins> Back. Politicians are knocking on doors here for next weeks municipal election.
20:10:09 <malo> MrsB: I will
20:10:29 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: yes we just pushed the bugzilla update this morning
20:10:39 <wilcal> thanks that's what I thought
20:10:54 <MrsB> none of the above Dave?
20:10:57 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: if you hear about stuff like that, feel free to ping me on IRC.  I only found out about that one because someone else mentioned it in #mageia-dev
20:11:07 <wilcal> will do
20:11:14 <tmb> /me updated mga bugzilla today too
20:11:20 <Luigi12_work> sweet
20:11:39 <MrsB> there have been some issues reported with dbus
20:11:55 <wilcal> Lemme put this in the record here
20:11:57 <wilcal> http://twit.tv/show/security-now
20:11:58 <[mbot> [ Security Now | TWiT.TV ]
20:12:13 <wilcal> good show
20:12:15 <Luigi12_work> not sure the ETA for any of the updates I mentioned
20:12:21 <RemyServices> watch that, and 4 other shows from twit, every week
20:12:34 <MrsB> so the pipeline is a bit non-specific this week then Luigi12_work
20:12:35 <Luigi12_work> I guess spuhler will get to php-ZendFramework when he's not flying around in airplanes
20:12:53 <Luigi12_work> sddm was waiting for upstream approval of the pull request (patches)
20:13:22 <Luigi12_work> remmy is aware for getmail, so hopefully he'll get to that soon
20:15:17 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable is not high on my list of priorities, and it was only just announced.  If I update it, I usually wait for ROSA to do it first since they're pretty good with that package.
20:15:18 <Luigi12_work> otherwise, just 46 other stale bugs laying around
20:15:19 <MrsB> #info see logs but 46 stale security bugs now need packager attention
20:15:19 <Luigi12_work> I might push the mga4 nginx to QA and leave mga3 for if someone fixes it later
20:15:28 <MrsB> mga3 only has another month doesn't it
20:15:46 <Luigi12_work> I hope doktor5000 will have mga3 FF/TB 31.1 to test before we have to start working on 31.2 for real
20:15:48 <DavidWHodgins> Mid November iirc
20:15:56 <Luigi12_work> month an a half I think, yeah
20:16:14 <Luigi12_work> probably some packagers are waiting for mga3 EOL to do anything to save themselves work :P
20:16:17 <Luigi12_work> happens every time
20:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Nov 19th.
20:16:27 <MrsB> that doesn't help mga4 though
20:16:53 <Luigi12_work> indeed
20:17:15 <MrsB> we don't need a huge backlog just when mga5 testing is ramping up either
20:17:31 <Luigi12_work> or at any other time really
20:17:50 <Luigi12_work> it'd help if packagers didn't keep disappearing
20:18:05 <Luigi12_work> it's also help if some didn't ignore security bugs, or bugs in stable, or bugzilla in general
20:18:10 <Luigi12_work> such is life I guess
20:18:16 <MrsB> maybe team leaders can help out there, more meetings etc
20:18:36 <Luigi12_work> we really need some fresh blood too
20:18:38 <DavidWHodgins> Only if the packagers attend them.
20:18:52 <MrsB> if they'r einfrequent though they're easy to forget/gnore
20:19:21 <Luigi12_work> oh BTW mga4 qemu update is in progress, bcornec was working on it
20:19:29 <Luigi12_work> we just need some feedback from Oden before we can finalize it
20:19:35 <MrsB> i saw you pushing to get that done
20:19:52 <Luigi12_work> yeah.  Unfortunately nobody is working on libreoffice.
20:20:06 <MrsB> #info libreoffice still unloved :\
20:20:17 <wilcal> is the newer libreoffice in cauldren
20:20:35 <Luigi12_work> it's newer than mga4, but not quite in sync with Fedora since the freeze
20:20:46 <MrsB> Lets move on then. Is there anything else security?
20:20:46 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps it should be replaced with a "get-libreoffice" package, similar to what is done for flash.
20:20:59 <wilcal> Not from me
20:21:04 <Luigi12_work> that'd be a shame, but it'd be a lot easier
20:21:14 <Luigi12_work> ok I guess I'm done
20:21:19 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
20:21:21 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
20:21:21 <wilcal> But really really big
20:21:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:21:31 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:21:39 <wilcal> I'm tapped out
20:21:48 <lewyssmith> I have a confession...
20:21:53 <MrsB> uh ohh
20:22:05 <lewyssmith> My box has Win8 (which I never use - why? for what?) and decided to update it. There were 50 updates, which took about 4 expletive deleted hours. Then I accepted the offer to upgrade to Win 8.1. It took all evening to the next morning to achieve, and wanted loads of personal (false) info to finish. Indeed, I thought I would have to receive a text message on a flase-number portable telephone I don't have anyway. Ye gods!
20:22:07 <wilcal> You really use Windows 8
20:22:34 <lewyssmith> Clearly not, Bill.
20:22:36 * MrsB shocked
20:22:39 <DavidWHodgins> Just read today on slashdot https://antumbra.io/ which should be helpfull for me.
20:22:41 <[mbot> [ Antumbra - Ambient backlighting that creates a more immersive computing experience while reducing eye strain. ]
20:22:45 <wilcal> Whenever I see someone using WinBlows my bloodpressure goes up 20-points
20:23:02 <wilcal> That's an awful thing
20:23:02 <Luigi12_work> it's the worst
20:23:17 <Luigi12_work> I get queasy when I see win8 in ads
20:23:22 <MrsB> look cool Dave. I fancy building one of those for the raspberry pi xbmc
20:23:29 <lewyssmith> Count me out. It just came with the box. It is expletive deleted awful.
20:23:41 <diogenese> win9 will fix everything.
20:23:46 <Luigi12_work> nope, it was cancelled
20:23:49 <Luigi12_work> onto win10
20:23:49 <wilcal> I watched a friend install filezilla into a Win7 box and then it went downhill from there
20:23:57 <DavidWHodgins> I have some relatives who insist on using windows, as the local university has websites customized for ie.
20:24:09 <Luigi12_work> wow, what is this 1998?
20:24:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:24:34 <MrsB> my 72yr old Mum is now on Mageia. She's very pleased with it, no issues, no support calls etc. \o/
20:24:41 <wilcal> WinXP wasn't too bad
20:25:00 <Luigi12_work> even homeland security in the US recommended not using IE anymore
20:25:17 <MrsB> wow and they're practically paid for by microsoft
20:25:19 <diogenese> Smart move
20:25:20 <wilcal> NASA banned anything Windows and went with RedHat
20:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> I've sent an email about the "glow" device, to see what it will cost including shipping to Canada.
20:25:25 <lewyssmith> XP & W7 were their best. Relatively.
20:25:58 <MrsB> apart from lewis's shocking confession.. Is there anything else else?
20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> Instead of calling them best, I'd call them least worse m$ crap.
20:26:03 <wilcal> Not from me
20:26:11 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:26:13 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Agreed.
20:26:18 <lewyssmith> Nowt.
20:26:20 <olivier_cc> nothing here either
20:26:33 <MrsB> #info keep eyes on qa-discuss for news of ISOs and please keep testing updates!
20:26:38 <Luigi12_work> tea party's over
20:26:40 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
20:26:45 <MrsB> T - 5
20:26:47 <MrsB> 4
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20:26:52 <MrsB> 1
20:26:53 <MrsB> #endmeeting