19:06:57 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:06:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Aug 21 19:06:57 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:57 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:07:18 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another one 19:07:27 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:07:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 19:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If that is you then come and say hello 19:07:36 <MrsB> tah 19:07:47 <MrsB> Is there anybody new with us today? 19:08:00 <MrsB> doesn't look like it 19:08:12 <ennael> hi there 19:08:15 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha 2 19:08:17 <MrsB> hi ennael 19:08:28 <wilcal> Hello there ennael 19:08:40 <MrsB> you're not new 19:08:49 <wilcal> ennael likes to hang out with the cool people in QA 19:08:57 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:09:03 <MrsB> but of ocurse 19:09:15 <lewyssmith> Here tonight, *cold* people. 19:09:40 <MrsB> #info a quick word to say that Alpha2 was released and thank you everybody for all your tests 19:10:10 <wilcal> It's truly an Alpha 19:10:20 <MrsB> that's a good thing though 19:10:32 <MrsB> alphas have tended to happen at beta 2 stage 19:10:42 <MrsB> hopefully this means beta2 will be a proper beta 19:10:56 <wilcal> What the heck happened to the M5A2 classic installer? 19:11:12 <lewyssmith> What do you mean? 19:11:12 <wilcal> Installs here just fine but updates or reboots and it's all over 19:11:27 <dvg_i> no such prob here 19:11:33 <lewyssmith> I can use it. 19:11:39 <Tonyb> installed fine UEFI fopr me 19:11:48 <wilcal> hmmm 19:12:03 <MrsB> driver problem maybe? 19:12:14 <wilcal> happened on both Vbox and real hardware 19:12:28 <ennael> :) 19:12:52 <MrsB> see if you're able to track the issue down and create a ug report with report.bug 19:12:58 <MrsB> bug* 19:12:59 <wilcal> Live media CD/DVD install and update just fine 19:13:35 <MrsB> i think i was testing classical before i went and it seemed ok 19:14:07 <wilcal> latest and greatest off mirrors.kernel.org is what I'm using 19:14:18 <MrsB> #info beta1 is scheduled for release at the end of September 19:14:30 <wilcal> plenty of time to tinker then 19:14:46 <MrsB> is that the boot.iso you're using? 19:14:47 <dvg_i> rsync should IMHO be from bsc(?).mageia.org ? 19:14:54 <wilcal> I'm not seeing a dramatic difference between M4 & M5 19:15:18 <lewyssmith> You expected...? 19:15:43 <wilcal> KDE seems exactly the same 19:15:54 <wilcal> Firefox is different 19:16:02 <MrsB> it's still early days but I'd hope that if there are any outstanding major changes they happen very soon. 19:16:19 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development 19:16:33 <MrsB> version freeze is a few weeks away 19:16:55 <lewyssmith> M5 is in much better shape than was M4 at the the same stage. 19:17:21 <wilcal> I agree with that lew 19:17:21 <MrsB> i just ope that's a good sign and doesn't mean changes are being left for later 19:17:47 <MrsB> ennael: does anything need a push in that department? 19:18:21 <lewyssmith> M4 alpha2 to beta1 was a big step backwards. Fingers crossed for M5. 19:18:35 <Tonyb> I hope RAID installations can still be addressed after version freeze 19:18:49 <ennael> well we will have packager meeting next week 19:19:00 <MrsB> thanks 19:19:07 <ennael> we will focus on last development steps before beta 19:19:48 <Luigi12_work> when will there be a council meeting so we can get the mga4 KDE update un-stuck? 19:20:07 <lewyssmith> Agreed. 19:20:08 <Luigi12_work> there's at least three pending security issues on hold because of that, plus several other bugs 19:20:20 <wilcal> Ahh yes, I thought I was missing them 19:20:33 <Luigi12_work> it's been months since I requested a resolution on this 19:20:35 <MrsB> AFAIK there has been no packager discussion yet or pro's/con's type email to council 19:20:48 <Luigi12_work> all of that has already happened 19:20:56 * MrsB missd it 19:21:07 <ennael> we should have it next monday 19:21:16 <lewyssmith> There were heated exchanges. I think we should let the updates go. 19:21:31 <ennael> I(ve asked KDE team about it 19:21:41 <Luigi12_work> and they've been asking me for weeks has the council done anything yet 19:21:49 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK the council hasn't met in months 19:21:56 <ennael> 1 month 19:22:14 <ennael> council members are human beings having some vacation :) 19:22:25 <wilcal> Europe is on Holiday :-)) 19:22:28 <Luigi12_work> ok, well please make sure it gets raised on Monday 19:22:47 <MrsB> Is there anything else alpa/beta or iso testing? 19:23:06 <wilcal> I'm fine 19:23:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Minor changes coming to our madb page 19:23:10 * MrsB having a typo day 19:23:22 * Luigi12_work wonders what tv's development plans are for the mga5 cycle, but the baby development might be the priority now 19:23:29 <ennael> :) 19:23:37 <MrsB> indeed Luigi12_work 19:23:41 <MrsB> thanks Dave 19:23:56 <MrsB> Just a quicky this one 19:24:08 <Luigi12_work> babies don't keep a commit log though 19:24:26 <ennael> and they don't suspend 19:24:30 <wilcal> And they have a 9-month development time 19:24:34 <MrsB> As we're trialling the one test per release thing at the moment it's makign it more dificult to see what can be validated. 19:25:00 <MrsB> I've asked Stormi for a minor alteration to the madb page 19:25:07 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 19:25:09 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:25:56 <MrsB> Instead of showing a tick next to each release when two tests have been completed, we'll move to having a coloured circle, a bit like a traffic light 19:26:17 <MrsB> so red = 0 tests done, yellow = 1 test and green for 2 tests 19:26:46 <MrsB> that way, with one test per release, we can validate when we get at least two yellow 19:26:59 <DavidWHodgins> Do we have anyone on the team who is colour blind? 19:27:36 <wilcal> sounds good to me 19:27:42 <Luigi12_work> oh my, yeah maybe blue instead of green? 19:27:42 <MrsB> I'm not and afaik Akien isn't 19:28:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not either, but have worked with people who are. 19:28:12 <Luigi12_work> oh there's blue-yellow besides red-green :o( 19:28:18 <Luigi12_work> hmm 19:28:19 <Tonyb> not me 19:28:24 <MrsB> it's mainly for those who need to see when validation is possible 19:28:30 <Akien> I'm not colour-blind either 19:28:50 <MrsB> ie. those uploading advisories and soon to be doing the pushes 19:28:56 <Akien> For colour-blind people Stormi could probably add a hovering tip 19:29:05 <MrsB> that's a good idea Akien 19:29:15 <MrsB> Stormi: if you're here ^^ 19:29:23 <Luigi12_work> ahh good idea 19:29:30 <Luigi12_work> that would work for screen readers too probably 19:29:48 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Gosh, do you jump traffic lights? 19:30:06 <MrsB> One other thing, about the automated pushing which Colin is workign on.. 19:30:15 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: I try to gun it such that I make it, it usually works :P 19:30:28 <MrsB> at present it needs the mageia bug link to be the first link. 19:30:43 <wilcal> Yes, where are we with the automated push 19:30:59 <Stormi> for colour-blind the "yes" text remains in the columns 19:31:03 <MrsB> I've suggested that mgaadv add a new field in the advisory such as BugNumber instead 19:31:19 <Luigi12_work> what about updates that reference/fix multiple bugs? 19:31:20 <Stormi> the coloured orbs are just a means to see thinks uicker 19:31:40 <Stormi> but a hovering tip can be added too 19:31:52 <MrsB> Well afaik it checks the 'depends' now before pushing 19:32:36 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Are you referring to the references section of the advisories? 19:33:38 <MrsB> aparently the advisory filename is lost in the process of doing the push and the bug number gleened from the references link, which has to be the first link currently. He's going to look at adding a new field to carry the bug number so the order of references won't make any difference. 19:34:02 <Luigi12_work> that's good 19:34:13 <MrsB> I've always left the mga link at the bottom as we ended up getting blank lines at the end of advosires which I couldn't get rid of 19:35:26 <MrsB> Is everybody clear what the new coloured blobs are going to mean? 19:35:35 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:35:41 <RemyServices> yup 19:35:42 <lewyssmith> Yes. 19:35:44 <MrsB> thankyou Stormi for that 19:35:53 <wilcal> Yep 19:36:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates 19:36:19 <MrsB> thanks 19:36:24 <wilcal> Ahh the faster we go the further behind we get 19:36:27 <MrsB> So the list grew again 19:37:11 <MrsB> There are a few there now with procedures listed but i'll go through in the morning and try to add some which don't 19:37:11 <lewyssmith> Most are security. Do we blame Luigi? 19:37:18 <MrsB> oh always 19:37:29 <wilcal> It's his fault 19:37:35 <MrsB> no doubt 19:37:37 <wilcal> no kernels though 19:37:50 <wilcal> I still try to pick on one a day 19:37:58 <MrsB> Are three any there that are intimidating? 19:37:59 <wilcal> may not be successful 19:38:08 <MrsB> try to pick on 3 a day please 19:38:26 <wilcal> What's the deal with krb 19:38:50 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I'll try to test kerberos after this meeting. 19:38:59 <MrsB> Dave's domain that one 19:39:33 <MrsB> i think you've always done that one 19:39:37 <wilcal> the grub2 thing should just be update and successful reboot right? 19:39:40 <Akien> Good to see you btw Dave :-) 19:39:51 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks 19:39:54 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes 19:40:11 <MrsB> yes i think so wilcal, unless there is some kind of poc 19:40:56 <MrsB> not sure what lzo is used for in grub2, maybe some corner case initrd's 19:40:58 <wilcal> Today for me was blender. I left a note there for you Luigi 19:41:28 <wilcal> I don't know of any other use in Mageia for blender 19:41:31 <Luigi12_work> for me? I don't know anything about openshot 19:41:45 <Luigi12_work> just use blender directly and check previous bugs for ideas on testing it 19:41:59 <Luigi12_work> anyway, honestly for these CVE-2014-4607 lzo bugs, I wouldn't stress too much on testing those 19:42:15 <Luigi12_work> I don't see any risk for regression, so if it installs and runs and doesn't eat tv's baby, that should be fine 19:42:19 <Luigi12_work> it's a minor issue anyway 19:42:26 <wilcal> k 19:42:49 <MrsB> any others look scary? 19:43:11 <MrsB> jakarta is java stuff and we usually just check they update without issue 19:43:22 <Akien> mednafen is quite easy, it can be validated after a mga4 test 19:43:41 <MrsB> i'll have a look at ansible in the morning 19:43:44 <wilcal> Can we just make sure the 4607's load with no errors 19:43:56 <wilcal> update with no errors 19:44:04 <Luigi12_work> yeah that's fine really 19:44:06 <MrsB> serf is a new one, it'll need some research 19:44:14 <Luigi12_work> serf is used by subversion in mga4 19:44:20 <MrsB> ok 19:44:21 <Luigi12_work> used by nothing in mga3 19:44:35 <lewyssmith> I am stuck on Bugzilla & Bacula. Can't make them fly. 19:44:41 <wilcal> That makes the list a lot shorter 19:44:59 <MrsB> libgcrypt - as with other libs check urpmq --whatrequires and check with strace that it's being used 19:45:21 <Luigi12_work> libgcrypt is used by gpg2 19:45:22 <MrsB> bugzilla is a bit tricky, you have to run the script twice IIRC 19:45:30 <Luigi12_work> well gnupg2 is the package, gpg2 is the command IIRC 19:45:35 <MrsB> run once, alter some settings, run again 19:46:01 <MrsB> gnupg2 is used by enigmail i think 19:46:42 <MrsB> python-django is dead easy, simple procedure in old bugs for that one 19:46:58 <MrsB> icecream mmmm 19:47:25 <wilcal> icream's a 4607 small dip 19:47:56 <Luigi12_work> oh we pushed subversion already, you should be able to mark serf as OK on mga4. Just test that it updates cleanly on mga3 and validate it 19:48:13 <MrsB> ok, then busybox could probably do with a 'busybox lzop' & #busybox.static lzop' check on mga4 19:48:22 <Luigi12_work> yep 19:49:07 <MrsB> italc is another 4607 isn't it 19:49:13 <MrsB> never heard of that one 19:49:28 <MrsB> oh theres a few 19:49:48 <MrsB> so nothing terribly troubling there. I'll have a look at ansible and bugzilla tmrw 19:50:01 <MrsB> what are you going to do? 19:50:04 <wilcal> especially since the testing of the 4607's should be easy 19:50:11 <Akien> Luigi12_work: I'm not sure I had used sdcc from updates_testing when testing svn on mga4 19:50:22 <Akien> But if it installs, it should be fine 19:50:39 <MrsB> subversion is quick to check anyway 19:50:45 <Akien> true 19:51:30 <MrsB> bacula i remember being a bit of a pain, one for after morning cuppa's 19:52:23 <MrsB> everybody happy? 19:52:52 <wilcal> Happy here 19:53:21 <MrsB> lewis ok? 19:53:41 <MrsB> dvg_i: ? 19:53:45 <lewyssmith> So-so. 19:53:47 <MrsB> Tonyb: ? 19:53:53 <Tonyb> OK 19:54:03 <MrsB> have i forgotten anybody? 19:54:11 <dvg_i> MrsB: I'm ready to be guided when you are; say tomorrow 19:54:20 <MrsB> sure \o/ 19:54:30 <RemyServices> im here, but been too busy to help much, school starting back, im on track with the changes though 19:54:44 <dvg_i> ok 19:54:57 <MrsB> hi RemyServices, sorry, i did forget you there 19:54:58 <wilcal> Ahhh school thought about going back myself 19:55:22 <MrsB> you'll never stop learning in QA :) 19:55:42 <RemyServices> no worries. work for a school district and this is the first week back, really bad time for me for helping out here 19:56:08 <MrsB> I dare say there is enough in the pipeline to keep us busy nexy week too 19:56:14 <MrsB> speaking of which.. 19:56:18 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:56:23 <MrsB> disco dave \o/ 19:56:29 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:56:30 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 19:56:45 <Luigi12_work> pongdiddlyongtious 19:56:50 <MrsB> lol 19:57:14 <Luigi12_work> so I guess we covered the current update set 19:57:29 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:57:35 <MrsB> if we all dig into them we should clear those fairly quickly 19:57:59 <Luigi12_work> once Oden gets back to working on Linux stuff (Monday he told me) he'll be working on updates for php and cacti 19:58:13 <MrsB> dvg_i: we can do busybox together tomorrow, it's a really simple one 19:58:18 <Luigi12_work> one of the PHP CVEs is yet another CDF fileinfo issue, so I'll have to make another update for the file package too 19:58:36 <MrsB> there's no end of those atm 19:58:52 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's crazy 19:59:01 <Luigi12_work> I wonder if it'd be better to just disable the CDF parser completely :P 19:59:02 <MrsB> #info php is coming soon wiith yet another file update too 19:59:21 <Luigi12_work> anyway, other than that, I asked on the dev list again for help with security updates, so maybe something will get unstuck 19:59:26 <dvg_i> MrsB: I'll first need assistance to completevbox setup :( 19:59:30 <MrsB> hopefully it'll not be seen again for a few years when it's been fully torn apart 19:59:38 <MrsB> that's ok dvg_i 19:59:44 <Luigi12_work> yeah 19:59:54 <Luigi12_work> so that's all I have, unless anyone has a question 20:00:01 <MrsB> really? 20:00:06 <lewyssmith> Gret! 20:00:10 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:00:14 <wilcal> not here 20:00:26 <MrsB> did you get a decent reponse to your dev email? 20:00:55 <Luigi12_work> yeah a few 20:01:08 <MrsB> I'll repost it if you like so gmail can see it. I had to create a specific rule on gmail webmail to not delete your emails :( 20:01:24 <Luigi12_work> philippem was looking into python-djblets and Akien commented on prosody/lua-expat 20:01:39 <Luigi12_work> everyone should see that mail since I sent it from Yahoo! 20:02:06 <Luigi12_work> it's just replies that are an issue since those go through Gmane 20:02:24 <MrsB> ok that's not so bad 20:03:00 <MrsB> keep chasing it up if you need to. I'm sure ennael will be able to fit it in the packagers meeting next week too 20:04:02 <MrsB> Thanks for that then Luigi12_work 20:04:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:04:13 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:04:16 <wilcal> I wanted to raise the awareness of: 20:04:17 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 20:04:19 <[mbot> Bug 12781: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer 20:04:19 <wilcal> And set that as a gating factor for the release of M5 20:04:42 <lewyssmith> Brave. 20:04:51 <wilcal> The remote printer thing still persists 20:05:04 <Luigi12_work> system-config-printer is all new in mga5. New major version, python3 rewrite, philippem doing some cleaning in our package, etc 20:05:08 <MrsB> ok, we need to find out about releae blocker settings 20:05:14 <MrsB> release* 20:05:18 <wilcal> CUPS works locally but not from another Mageia system on the LAN 20:05:19 <Luigi12_work> yeah we don't have a tracker yet 20:05:32 <MrsB> I'll ask leuhmanu how he wants to handle them 20:05:43 <Luigi12_work> I think ennael usually creates the trackers 20:05:52 <MrsB> #action MrsB to ask leuhmanu how he wants to handle release blocker bugs 20:06:07 <MrsB> i thought of somethign else else but i've forgotten it 20:06:17 <philippem> I hope scp is ok it was new for me 20:06:45 <MrsB> oh that was it.. 20:06:58 <MrsB> Does anybody know hen mga3 becomes EOL? 20:07:08 <MrsB> i'll find out if not 20:07:20 <MrsB> 18 months from release 20:07:36 <wilcal> I don't think we have 3 active at the same time 20:07:42 <lewyssmith> Why not when M5 is released? 20:07:57 <wilcal> Do we have a 3-month overlap 20:08:08 <Luigi12_work> we don't have an overlap 20:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: See https://www.mageia.org/en/support/ 20:08:11 <[mbot> [ Support for Mageia distribution ] 20:08:32 <lewyssmith> I think last time M2 died *before* M4 was released. 20:08:34 <DavidWHodgins> Nov. 19th, 2014 20:08:39 <MrsB> It's been too much work to support two live stable releases and concentrate on final. It's a 9 month release cycle with 18 months support is what we work to 20:08:57 <DavidWHodgins> So about a month before m5 20:09:20 <wilcal> Ya M3 dies a month before M5 is released 20:09:34 <MrsB> thanks Dave. That might be a bit tight but we can see how we get on. It all depends how well we keep on top of the updates 20:10:39 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else? 20:10:45 <wilcal> No here 20:10:51 <lewyssmith> No. 20:10:53 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:11:26 <Luigi12_work> time to push the button 20:11:33 <wilcal> Count it down MrsB 20:11:33 <MrsB> T - 5 then 20:11:40 <MrsB> thanks for coming peeps 20:11:41 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. 20:11:42 <MrsB> 4 20:11:44 <MrsB> 3 20:11:45 <wilcal> nite all 20:11:45 <MrsB> 2 20:11:47 <MrsB> 1 20:11:49 <MrsB> #endmeeting