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19:02:11 <wilcal> Welcome all to this weeks QA meeting
19:02:40 <wilcal> #chair wilcal
19:02:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: wilcal
19:03:02 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:11 <wilcal> Anybody new here
19:03:51 <wilcal> Seems it's just us
19:04:23 <wilcal> #topic Alpha 2 - How's it looking?
19:04:29 <lewyssmith> 5 with Luigi.
19:04:46 <wilcal> Looks like M5A2 hit the mirrors yesterday
19:05:00 <lewyssmith> Basically it is fine.
19:05:10 <wilcal> I thought it looked fine for an Alpha
19:05:21 <dvg> good enough.
19:05:29 <wilcal> Somebody here working the EFI thingy
19:05:51 <diogenese> I think marja was.
19:05:51 <lewyssmith> Are you trying to pull my leg?
19:06:18 <Luigi12_work> no point wasting time with the EFI stuff until tmb has more time to work on it.  I don't understand why people wasted so much time discussing it on the QA list.  I think Thomas was a bit upset about it :o(
19:06:35 <lewyssmith> Some of use depend on it...
19:06:38 <wilcal> As it turns out I think my video editing platform is EFI
19:06:40 <Luigi12_work> so what?
19:06:53 <wilcal> Hello Luigi
19:07:12 <dvg> i bought a machine last year & 1st thing I did was kill EFI
19:07:24 <lewyssmith> Why?
19:07:33 <dvg> why keep it?
19:07:39 <dvg> i use only Linux
19:07:47 <wilcal> I've not really looked into it and it hasn't had a problem running M4/5
19:08:19 <lewyssmith> dvg: Me too. But GPT at least is better than MBR.
19:08:25 <wilcal> Almost looks like it needs a seperate discussion forum
19:08:35 <lewyssmith> Let' drop it.
19:08:57 <wilcal> Is it we support EFI or is it something we have to adapt to?
19:09:14 <lewyssmith> A bit of both.
19:09:15 <Luigi12_work> it's going to be worked on later
19:09:17 <wilcal> have to support EFI
19:09:25 <wilcal> After M5?
19:09:33 <wilcal> or before M5 gets released?
19:09:35 <Luigi12_work> tmb's plans are to fix it up for mga5
19:09:41 <Luigi12_work> but his health is the priority right now
19:09:46 <lewyssmith> People overlook that it *has* worked since M4. Just a lot of bodging.
19:09:52 <Luigi12_work> so let's quit beating him over the head about it for now please
19:10:01 <lewyssmith> We don't.
19:10:06 <wilcal> So some installs will simply fail because we don't do the EFI thing ( right )?
19:10:22 <lewyssmith> No: you have to do it right.
19:10:55 <wilcal> So you have to do something during the install to take advantage of the EFI
19:11:04 <lewyssmith> Yeees!
19:11:11 <wilcal> thks
19:11:32 <wilcal> I didn't think it should be a gating factor for the release of M5A2
19:11:32 <lewyssmith> And it is documented in several different ways in a Wiki.
19:11:48 <wilcal> Do you have the link to that page so we can put it here
19:12:06 <lewyssmith> Soory, no. But it was posted last week.
19:12:12 <wilcal> OK
19:12:22 <wilcal> anyway it's being worked.
19:12:45 <wilcal> M5A2 is turned loose and we're on to M5B1 in a month or so
19:13:05 <dvg> This one:
19:13:06 <dvg> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/UEFI_how-to
19:13:08 <wilcal> I'm not seeing any big departures from M4 so far
19:13:17 <lewyssmith> Is the PAD still useful? Can we still comment?
19:13:30 <Luigi12_work> you should not still be using the pad
19:13:36 <Luigi12_work> any issues should have bug reports
19:13:45 <wilcal> I think the PAD is done for now
19:13:48 <dvg> working on that
19:13:54 <lewyssmith> Oh. So where *do* we put comments about M5a2?
19:14:00 <wilcal> no one's gonna look at it till M5/B1
19:14:00 <Luigi12_work> bug reports
19:14:03 <dvg> Bugzilla
19:14:12 <wilcal> Yep, back to updates and BUGS
19:14:14 <dvg> and will be anew pad
19:14:15 <lewyssmith> Even for trivial annoyances?
19:14:21 <Luigi12_work> a bug's a bug
19:14:27 <Luigi12_work> if it's not in bugzilla, it won't get fixed
19:14:36 <Luigi12_work> developers don't look at the pad, only QA ISO testers do
19:14:46 <wilcal> Ya I got a couple I can add that are trivial but may effect other things
19:14:47 <lewyssmith> I amhardening to this approach. It seems crule sometimes.
19:14:50 <Luigi12_work> most of the developers don't read the qa-discuss list either
19:15:05 <wilcal> Anything else on M5A2
19:15:24 <lewyssmith> I give up!
19:15:37 <wilcal> #topic Updates
19:15:56 <wilcal> List is a lot shorter. Thanks everyone Remy not here but thanks
19:16:17 <wilcal> I'd like to get luigi's approval to release those kernels
19:16:22 <Luigi12_work> list is mostly shorter because we released a bunch of not-fully-tested updates
19:16:34 <Luigi12_work> hardly anyone has been testing any updates (thanks to those that have)
19:16:44 <lewyssmith> And to you for your kernem marathons. I did the only one that had not been already real h/w tested.
19:16:58 <wilcal> I'm kernel test King :-))
19:17:05 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: with the non-standard kernels, no need to make it so difficult.  If it works for a couple people they should be validated.  It looks like both Bill's tested them, so they're good
19:17:06 <dvg> applause
19:17:29 <wilcal> Takes really a good two days to fully test a block of kernels
19:17:38 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's a lot of reboots :O
19:17:44 <wilcal> then I'll validate them after this meeting
19:17:48 <lewyssmith> Why do we have sooo many?
19:17:53 <Luigi12_work> good question
19:17:56 <wilcal> that takes some lines off the list
19:18:23 <lewyssmith> I'm nibbling krb5 & bacula.
19:18:25 <wilcal> kernels evolve about every 3-months and there are multiple applications to cover
19:18:56 <wilcal> IMO the kernel is the most vulnerable part of Linux and we gotta keep up
19:19:00 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: glad krb5 worked for you.  Failed for me at the last step.  Wonder if it's because I have the msec secure setting in those VMs.  Not sure.  Anyway, you can OK whichever rel/arch you tested.
19:19:23 <lewyssmith> It did not work as predicted. Await response on it.
19:19:38 <Luigi12_work> I already responded
19:19:54 <Luigi12_work> it doesn't matter if you don't get the old warning message from mga2.  It rlogin'd you.  It worked.
19:20:00 <lewyssmith> I have only tried the released version prior to updating it.
19:20:03 <Luigi12_work> at least if I'm interpreting your output correctly
19:20:05 <wilcal> I tinkered with ansible but I'm still in the learning stages
19:20:28 <Luigi12_work> someone on LWN complained about problems in the later ansible 1.6 releases, so hopefully they were sorted out in 1.6.10
19:20:39 <lewyssmith> It looks a *big networky thing. I backed off quickly.
19:20:49 <Luigi12_work> don't back off
19:20:56 <Luigi12_work> keep testing it
19:21:04 <wilcal> I tried the test proceedure, looked pretty simple, and it failed
19:21:24 <wilcal> So I don't understand or it failed pick one
19:21:39 <wilcal> Left a note for the developer
19:21:54 <lewyssmith> I just have a stand-alone machine.
19:22:00 <Luigi12_work> yeah hopefully philippe will hav a suggestion, I just CC'd him
19:22:02 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: that's fine
19:22:22 <wilcal> I set it all up on Vbox and let the router assign two different IP's
19:23:21 <lewyssmith> Change subject a bit, we may have someone OK to test Ruby when it occurs.
19:23:26 <wilcal> qarte was Cool. Learn French
19:23:44 <wilcal> Ruby is always a challange
19:24:21 <wilcal> All the languages can be a challange
19:25:08 <wilcal> I try to stay away from computer languages. I've seen a bazillion of'em
19:25:19 <lewyssmith> Me too.
19:25:55 <wilcal> I'm pretty good at Stamford Basic
19:26:26 <wilcal> DEC machine code
19:27:03 <wilcal> Anything on that list that's a problem
19:28:04 <wilcal> Hi swe
19:28:18 <wilcal> There's a db proceedure with bugzilla
19:28:29 <wilcal> db stuff makes my head swim
19:28:35 <swecarp> wilcal:  hi
19:28:51 <lewyssmith> Is the DHCP the client end?
19:29:16 <Luigi12_work> yes
19:29:17 <Luigi12_work> easy to test
19:29:27 <wilcal> I think so but you gotta set up the db and all. It's in the proceedure. At least something to start with
19:29:30 <lewyssmith> So it should be easy to test?
19:29:36 <Luigi12_work> if you're using DHCP (which most people are) install it, make sure your system is using dhcpcd and not dhclient and restart your network
19:30:06 <Luigi12_work> you can uninstall dhcp-client if you're not sure (that'll get rid of dhclient)
19:30:08 <wilcal> How to change your Mageia install to dhcpcd????
19:30:28 <Luigi12_work> install it and either uninstall dhcp-client or go through the network configurator in mcc
19:30:32 <Luigi12_work> it's a drop-down box choice
19:30:39 <wilcal> ok thanks
19:31:15 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
19:31:15 <wilcal> anyway anything else on Updates testing. I wanna get to luigi so he can get back to work
19:31:34 <swecarp> lewyssmith:  hi
19:31:40 <lewyssmith> Nobody likes monodevelop.
19:31:45 <lewyssmith> swecarp: Evening!
19:31:55 <Luigi12_work> nobody seems to know what to do with gpgme (me either)
19:32:07 <Luigi12_work> someone please just install it on mga3 and make sure it installs fine and we can validate it
19:32:26 <dvg> if gpg agent works in your mail client, then gpgme is okay
19:32:45 <Luigi12_work> thanks (post that on the bug if you could if someone didn't say it already)
19:32:47 <wilcal> how about bacula
19:32:56 <lewyssmith> I am wrestling.
19:33:25 <lewyssmith> Got it installed at last, but how to define a bac kup is easier said than done.
19:34:13 <lewyssmith> Plenty of good documentation, but this essential is buried somewhere.
19:34:14 <wilcal> I see we got another Flash update today. That's really easy
19:35:47 <wilcal> Anyway we all continue to tinker with these things and do as best we can
19:36:01 <wilcal> Thank you luigi for all the hard work
19:36:03 <dvg> Luigi12_lappy: comment added to bug #13827
19:36:04 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , gpgme new security issue CVE-2014-3564, gpgme-1.4.3-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:36:09 <Luigi12_work> thanks
19:36:42 <lewyssmith> As said Carolyn once, finding out the nature of the beast can be very lengthy.
19:36:59 <wilcal> Comment #4 seems to be a proceedure of sorts
19:37:31 <wilcal> I don't use a mail client
19:37:54 <dvg> wilcal: in that case you don;t use gpgme
19:38:00 <lewyssmith> Mine has no gpg.
19:38:10 <dvg> lewyssmith: ibidem
19:38:14 <wilcal> I'm gmail all the way
19:38:33 <lewyssmith> dvg: Very educated!
19:38:42 <dvg> ??
19:38:48 <lewyssmith> ibidem
19:38:58 <dvg> i dont follow
19:39:06 <Luigi12_work> gibberish
19:39:15 <lewyssmith> Not a commonly used word.
19:39:29 <Akien> ibid. is more common probably :)
19:39:43 <dvg> that's the abbreviation of ibidem
19:40:05 <lewyssmith> I use Ditto in English. Ibid is used in French.
19:40:23 <dvg> anyway gpgme is just the interface files between gpg agent and a mail client that accesses gnupg
19:40:28 <Akien> Well nobody says ibidem in French, you just write it in bibliographies :)
19:40:40 <dvg> so to test one would need gnupg and a mail client
19:40:47 <dvg> and gpg running
19:41:06 <Luigi12_work> dvg: gnupg or gnupg2?
19:41:40 <dvg> not sure about that. but standard Mga has both
19:41:50 <lewyssmith> I suppose one can install a mail client that does use it: Sylpheed?
19:41:53 <Luigi12_work> if you can test with gnupg2 you can kill two birds with one stone
19:41:55 <dvg> and they do practically the same, but 2 in a more advanced way
19:42:01 <Luigi12_work> we have libgcrypt assigned to QA, which is used by gnupg2
19:42:12 <dvg> yup Sylpheed is fine
19:42:24 <dvg> but kmail should be okay too
19:43:15 <lewyssmith> Woth adding to the bugs?
19:45:47 <wilcal> Anything else here
19:46:08 <lewyssmith> You wanted to free Luigi.
19:46:25 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:46:32 <wilcal> What's ya say luigi
19:46:49 <Luigi12_work> not much new since last week
19:46:49 <wilcal> Anything big coming up
19:46:59 <wilcal> Next kernels?
19:47:01 <lewyssmith> No news would indeed be good news.
19:47:16 <wilcal> Ya give us a week or so to tinker with what we go
19:47:18 <wilcal> got
19:47:25 <Luigi12_work> forgot to mention last week that we'll have a subversion update coming
19:47:43 <Luigi12_work> I missed a catfish security bug a few months ago, so I just filed a bug for that today
19:48:06 <lewyssmith> What is it?
19:48:17 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's been a slow week luckily, hopefully it stays that way
19:48:25 <Luigi12_work> :v catfish
19:48:25 <Sophie> Luigi12_work: 0.3.2-6.mga3 // core-release (Mga, 3, x86_64), core-release (Mga, 3, i586)
19:48:27 <wilcal> Vacation time
19:48:32 <Luigi12_work> :s catfish
19:48:33 <Sophie> Luigi12_work: A handy file search tool // core-release (Mga, 3, x86_64), core-release (Mga, 3, i586)
19:49:13 <Luigi12_work> anyway that's all I have, unless there's questions
19:49:22 <wilcal> thks luigi
19:49:28 <Luigi12_work> think the kernels are good for now, but who knows how long that'll last
19:49:36 <Luigi12_work> I still have to do some more testing for tmb about the OOM killer issues
19:49:37 <wilcal> less then 3-months
19:49:37 <lewyssmith> Grateful for all your useful input.
19:49:51 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:50:12 <lewyssmith> No *gazers tonight!
19:50:25 <wilcal> Pretty quiet
19:50:27 <dvg> I wanna report to MrsB|away as asked, I have virtualbox installed and will take it from there when I can manage
19:50:45 <wilcal> Vbox has gotten really really good on M4 64-bit
19:51:08 <wilcal> if it works, or not, on Vbox you'll see the same on real hardware
19:51:27 <lewyssmith> Bill, you know better.
19:51:38 <wilcal> Only thing that needs work on Vbox is the virtual network thingy
19:52:04 <wilcal> Once that gets implemented it will be really usful testing some of these things
19:52:33 <wilcal> Maybe we get the point where we put test images on dropbox to share
19:54:25 <lewyssmith> I may give in over VBox to have fewer Mageias installed (currently 3, all EFI).
19:54:39 <wilcal> Also much safer
19:54:55 <wilcal> I blow up Mageia installs at will with no fear
19:55:26 <wilcal> You really need a good 64-bit platform with at least 4GB should be 8GB
19:55:59 <dvg> 12 ok?
19:56:03 <wilcal> I've created basic installs for each release then copy those to a new Vbox client
19:56:05 <wilcal> 11
19:56:08 <diogenese> Never enough.
19:56:16 <wilcal> 10
19:56:34 <lewyssmith> Is AMD E1-1200 useful?
19:56:36 <wilcal> Update the basic installs every Monday morning
19:56:44 <wilcal> All my stuff is Intel
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19:57:09 <wilcal> almost done
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19:57:19 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
19:57:31 <diogenese> Bye lewyssmith
19:57:32 <wilcal> see ya lewy
19:57:34 <wilcal> 6
19:57:36 <dvg> bye
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19:57:50 <marja> hi all
19:57:57 <diogenese> :)
19:57:58 <diogenese> Nice
19:58:01 <marja> ah, meeting over .... sorry
19:58:02 <wilcal> Wow just made it under the wire
19:58:11 <wilcal> Ya we're done
19:58:22 <wilcal> M5A2 got released yesterday
19:58:24 <marja> wilcal: sorry, I just came home
19:58:28 <dvg> marja is shows as 'afk'
19:58:32 <wilcal> Updates list is shortened
19:59:00 <wilcal> Other then that we're good till next week
19:59:17 <wilcal> I'm gonna close the meeting but hang for a few
19:59:24 <wilcal> #endmeeting