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19:06:46 <dvg> wilcal: surely not
19:06:54 <MrsB> #chair wilcal
19:06:54 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal
19:07:07 <MrsB> So, hi guys :)
19:07:14 <wilcal> Helllo all
19:07:35 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
19:07:54 <MrsB> Despite cries for more people to get involved it seems not..
19:08:07 <dvg> It is vacation time...
19:08:25 <wilcal> Aug the center of Holiday Time
19:08:31 <MrsB> #topic Alpha 2
19:09:00 <MrsB> I haven't really looked at it. I booted classic dvd 64 but thats as far as I got :\
19:09:03 <wilcal> What's going on with the IceWM thing?
19:09:14 <wilcal> That's all the CI seems to install
19:09:25 <dvg> KDE is missing in DM menu
19:09:32 <MrsB> oh, that's not good
19:09:45 <dvg> kdebase4-workspace and kdm on disk but not installed
19:09:50 <lewyssmith> You will see I have been busy therein. The only one to get Classic DVD installed 1st issue?
19:10:05 <MrsB> Has anybody emailed Anne?
19:10:14 <wilcal> I successfully installed task-kde after IceWM went in
19:10:34 <dvg> Anne gets bug report, I assume
19:10:39 <wilcal> I opened a bug
19:10:41 <wilcal> hold a sec
19:10:42 <dvg> at least she saw one of mine
19:10:45 <MrsB> When you get major bugs liek that it's best to email qa-discusss about them and CC whoever built it
19:10:56 <MrsB> -s
19:11:01 <lewyssmith> I have just installed Classic DVD 2nd issue; but it does not EFI boot.
19:11:13 <MrsB> she's started her holidays now I believe
19:11:16 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13845
19:11:17 <[mbot> Bug 13845: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , M5A2 32-bit Classic Installer installs IceWM-light instead of KDE
19:11:36 <dvg> MrsB: I cant do more that note on the pad & report bugs, I cant even manage to finish those. sorry
19:12:03 <wilcal> Anyway it's way better then M5A1 was for me
19:12:12 <MrsB> #info Classic ISO isn't installing kde even though they're on the dvd, bug 13845
19:12:13 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13845 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , M5A2 32-bit Classic Installer installs IceWM-light instead of KDE
19:12:22 <dvg> MrsB: maybe qa-discuss can be copied to the whiteboard current build bugs
19:13:09 <MrsB> #info they'll need a 3rd build
19:13:36 <MrsB> how about the live isos?
19:13:41 <wilcal> M5A2 32-bit seemed pretty good for me but I had troubles with the repo on M5A2 64-bit
19:13:50 <dvg> Well 90% of kde is installed alright
19:14:00 <lewyssmith> Should I bug that the Classic does not EFI boot?
19:14:04 <dvg> Just not so that it is in the DM menu
19:14:12 <wilcal> Ya I was successful to install task-kde on 32-bit CI
19:15:05 <dvg> task-kde is not installed from 64 bit iso, at least not when selecting cusom -> all GEs
19:15:10 <MrsB> wilcal: could you email qa-discuss about kde/icewm please and CC ennael but as she's away maybe somebody else will be able to take a look.
19:15:17 <dvg> s/cusom/custom
19:15:39 <wilcal> got it
19:15:46 <MrsB> lewis always worth a bug report if you can give added details
19:15:47 <dvg> MrsB: ennael looked me up last night on irc
19:16:04 <MrsB> is she aware then dvg?
19:16:15 <dvg> Was about an isolinux thing
19:16:23 <MrsB> ahh right
19:16:28 <lewyssmith> MrsB: None to add beyond the bald statement; pad'd it.
19:17:22 <dvg> mind you the pad is just a remporary, internal note for qa
19:17:36 <dvg> it still needs a BR if you / we decide to
19:17:47 <lewyssmith> But I shall try re-building M5 Grub now I have cracked that for M4.
19:17:48 <dvg> *temporary
19:17:52 <MrsB> yes that's right dvg
19:18:12 <MrsB> efi is still experimental. I don't think thomas will have had much chance to do anything with it yet
19:18:35 <MrsB> a bug report summising the current state might be useful though
19:18:48 <lewyssmith> It has been around at least 2 years, since Win8.
19:19:08 <lewyssmith> Tony & I battle on. I have no choice...
19:19:13 <MrsB> yep. he'd intended to start working on it but has some health issues at the moment
19:19:31 <lewyssmith> I noticed. He has my sympathy.
19:19:34 <dvg> yes only one live build, prolly last
19:19:44 <MrsB> don't get hung up on efi for now, hopefully he'll recover quickly and be back to fix it
19:20:00 <dvg> note 'urpmi task-de' from DVD works
19:20:07 <dvg> done this moment
19:20:09 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Repeat: I have no choice.
19:20:10 <MrsB> #info there are a few live isos not yet tested
19:20:28 <dvg> yup only 1 done by me
19:20:33 <lewyssmith> I shall try KDE.
19:20:41 <dvg> and build2 of 2/3 classical
19:20:53 <MrsB> as long as theyre booting and installing they'll be fine for alpha 2
19:21:35 <MrsB> #info build 2 of classical isos is also needing tests
19:21:40 <lewyssmith> I have been wrestling with a simpler rsync script which is largely self-defining.
19:21:59 <MrsB> simpler than dorsync?
19:22:20 <lewyssmith> Yes in that it presumes nothing excpet password.
19:22:38 <MrsB> ahh for doing individual isos you mean?
19:22:47 <lewyssmith> Yes. It displays what is there, & you chose.
19:23:07 <MrsB> yeah i still have that to add, time is the only problem
19:23:18 <lewyssmith> I am stuck on renaming ISO sub-files.
19:23:32 <MrsB> what do you mean?
19:23:32 <lewyssmith> I can send it to you for comment.
19:23:51 <dvg> lewyssmith: and without script? plain command per iso?
19:23:59 <lewyssmith> I want it to do necessary re-naming for you.
19:24:05 <MrsB> oh right
19:24:24 <dvg> yeah but from build x to x+1 there is no rename
19:24:30 <lewyssmith> dvg: I do that at present, & it is still dicey because of those long PITA names.
19:24:49 <dvg> bash history makes that easy
19:24:54 <dvg> or copt paste from a note
19:24:58 <dvg> *copy
19:25:10 <MrsB> ctrl-r then start typing, it searches history as you type
19:25:12 <lewyssmith> I do that; but vital bits change.
19:25:37 <lewyssmith> My system allows you to chose from what is actually up there.
19:25:40 <dvg> easier: type and page up (if configured right)
19:28:47 <MrsB> A quick look at the archive pad, it seems most things are ok apart from kde on the classic dvd's.
19:29:28 <MrsB> Is gnome OK now?
19:29:49 <dvg> MrsB: gnome is okay in classical
19:29:55 <dvg> dunno about live
19:30:35 <lewyssmith> Must slip out for a few mins, back quickly.
19:30:48 <MrsB> Ok, so still a few tests left to do and probably a 3rd build of classical isos for kde
19:30:55 <MrsB> morning Akien
19:31:18 <dvg> MrsB: more than a few, IMHO
19:31:27 <MrsB> is there anything else of concern in alpha 2?
19:31:35 <MrsB> yeah
19:31:45 <wilcal> When do we expect the next iterations
19:31:51 <MrsB> i'll try and get a few done tomorrow but I've got alot on at the moment :\
19:32:42 <Akien> Morning :-)
19:32:51 <MrsB> Anne is on holiday, so email to qa-d and cc her is important, I'm not sure who else can build classic isos.
19:33:16 <MrsB> Hi Akien, you've been a updates hero recently
19:33:42 <dvg> MrsB: should I put ennael in cc of all 5a2 BR's ?
19:34:16 <MrsB> no, a private email would be better, she's more likely to read it on a mobile connection
19:34:27 <dvg> will do
19:34:27 <Akien> I've tried to bring the list down yes, without compromising too much with test quality :-)
19:34:38 <MrsB> CC tmb too in case he's able to help
19:34:48 <dvg> gotcha
19:35:17 <MrsB> it's worked Akien, although i see we have another drupal already!
19:35:29 <MrsB> let's move on to updates..
19:35:39 <MrsB> #topic Updates
19:35:45 <Akien> Starting my vbox to test drupal again :-)
19:35:51 <wilcal> I'm pretty happy with kernel-linus:
19:35:53 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13863
19:35:54 <[mbot> Bug 13863: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-linus-3.12.26-1.mga4, kernel-linus-3.12.26-1.mga4
19:35:54 <wilcal> and
19:35:56 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13864
19:35:57 <[mbot> Bug 13864: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-linus-3.10.51-1.mga3, kernel-linus-3.10.51-1.mga3
19:36:35 <MrsB> ok cool, we'll try and get one more tester and validate it
19:36:47 <wilcal> wanted to mention this:
19:36:51 <MrsB> dkms modules build ok with it?
19:37:08 <wilcal> Everything seem to go well
19:37:14 <wilcal> Note that when I test kernels on real hardware I start with a completely
19:37:15 <wilcal> empty drive, install M3/M4 using the release media, after install I
19:37:17 <wilcal> update that then proceed to testing the kernels. I do this on two
19:37:18 <wilcal> different platforms, 32 & 64 bit. All in all it's at least one full
19:37:20 <wilcal> days work probably two. It's a through test of everything. I also
19:37:21 <wilcal> make sure that the nvidia driver stays good after kernel under test
19:37:23 <wilcal> is installed and also VirtualBox still works. I also repeat all that
19:37:25 <wilcal> using VirtualBox.
19:37:48 <MrsB> good testing wilcal
19:37:59 <lewyssmith> Back.
19:38:06 <wilcal> I think tmb puts an enormous amount of work into kernel
19:38:15 <wilcal> so I can do the same with testing them
19:38:49 <MrsB> you can check dkms modules using 'dkms status', the dkms ones show as 'installed' and the kmod pre-build ones on main kernels show as 'installed from binary'
19:38:51 <wilcal> just make sure there's lots of sports on tv
19:39:24 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Thanks for redoing the last Drupal update. You may know I lost my M4 system for days.
19:39:36 <MrsB> i didn't know, what happened?
19:39:42 <lewyssmith> See the ML.
19:39:45 <MrsB> i don't mind webapps
19:40:04 <lewyssmith> The M5 install killed M4.
19:40:11 <MrsB> ohh, oops
19:40:19 <MrsB> how so?
19:41:01 <lewyssmith> But I am using M4 again now after a lot of hassle. Repeat: see the ML about Classic DVD not booting.
19:41:34 <lewyssmith> I actually got it installed by very devious means; then no Mageia.
19:42:11 <lewyssmith> Hello Tony - my fellow fighter.
19:42:39 <MrsB> It's important that people drop onto testing updates once alpha2 is released but we may need to consider reducing the workload by not being quite so thorough. eg. only testing one arch on each release, maybe reduce that even further for some packages.
19:43:10 <lewyssmith> How long to Beta?
19:43:19 <MrsB> I'd liek to feel I could theoretically accept a job offer without everything falling apart here
19:43:36 <Tonyb> Greetings Lewis
19:43:41 <MrsB> morning Tonyb
19:44:31 <Akien> I think sometimes it's easy to reduce the workload for partly tested updates that showed no big issues
19:44:58 <Akien> For example MrsB tested php thoroughly on 3 or the 4 release/arches
19:45:03 <MrsB> Are there any updates there at the moment that look scary or don't have a previous procedure to follow?
19:45:25 <Akien> So I'll just install the php update candidate and test drupal with it, then it's good to be validated I think, no need for more tests than that (for php)
19:45:37 <MrsB> yeah, i think certainly while nobody is interested in getting involved that is s sensible step to take Akien
19:45:51 <Akien> This logic could be applied to quite a few updates, especially when it's for two releases and it's the same package
19:47:03 <lewyssmith> Need to have e.g. Drupal working, though. Several updates look untestable for me.
19:47:18 <Akien> For drupal MrsB wrote an awesome procedure
19:47:38 <Akien> I'll have a look at documenting it in the wiki
19:47:53 <MrsB> It's sad to have to be talking about this really, but I'd be in favour of accepting testing on one arch as being sufficient for validation. It can only reduce quality to do so but unless we have people to actually do the testing it's a sensible step to take
19:47:58 <lewyssmith> I agree; I was impressed. Thanks Claire for that.
19:48:24 <Akien> MrsB: I think that would be sensible. We rarely hit issues on one arch and not on the other
19:48:26 <lewyssmith> (Drupal).
19:48:55 <Akien> Maybe for updates with both Mageia 3 and Mageia 4, we could make sure that the two arches that get tested are different
19:49:05 <lewyssmith> Good idea.
19:49:19 <Akien> And for some critical updates, we should still test on both arches, e.g. for kernels, gcc, clang, etc.
19:49:37 <MrsB> I don't think it's something we can apply to everything. Kernels for example and some low level packages need better testing but the majority maybe.
19:49:38 <dvg> MrsB: I need to say that i am interested in getting involved, but as i explained privately i spent weeks trying to configure some kind of virtual machine for all distros, but failed
19:49:43 <dvg> i would if I could
19:50:05 <MrsB> I'm very willing to help you with that dvg if i can
19:50:14 <lewyssmith> dvg: I test on real Mageia.
19:51:00 <dvg> MrsB: I know, but I read all the documentation for each type I could and either I could not understand or could not get it to work on 32+64  M3 +M4
19:51:34 <MrsB> Let's have another go then dvg and I'll work through it with you. It might have to be via email for the next week though.
19:51:41 <dvg> that's why i gave up, even though I hated thoroughly to have to do that
19:51:51 <lewyssmith> Bill is expert here with Virtualbox.
19:51:53 <MrsB> virtualbox is by far the simplest
19:52:06 <Akien> I have 4 virtualbox VMs for all release/arches, it's really handy
19:52:08 <wilcal> MrsB could you share a little as to what Coln is doing with updates
19:52:17 <Luigi12_work> on the subject of current updates, if the kdelibs updated packages install fine on x86_64 and nothing blows up, that can be validated I think.  It's working fine for me.
19:52:30 <Akien> But I can't test kernels with those sadly
19:52:36 <dvg> MrsB: or direct irc channel, but first i need to finish the isos, and then a few urgent chores on my home
19:52:56 <Luigi12_work> wireshark has been updated from 1.8 to 1.10 on mga3, so it's a bigger update.  There's PoCs for some of the CVEs (see the upstream bugs).  I don't know how serious any of the isses are.
19:53:02 <MrsB> Colin is working on automating the push process. He's created a script which will enable qa-committers to actually perform the push
19:53:13 <Tonyb> Where do we stand with UEFI?
19:53:17 <Luigi12_work> I also don't know how serious any of the openssl CVEs are, but we should generally treat that as important
19:53:22 <dvg> MrsB: but thanks v.m. for the offer. i'll take you up on it
19:53:32 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Are you talking of those KDE things in updates but not on the list?
19:53:38 <MrsB> he's also going to integrate a bugzilla comment parser into mgaadv which will attempt to pre-fill some of the advisory
19:54:01 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: no, I'm talking about the mga3 kdelibs update, see madb
19:54:21 <MrsB> openssl is easy to test, we even have a wiki procedure for that one
19:54:37 <lewyssmith> I am looking at madb!
19:54:41 <Luigi12_work> I have to get back to teaching, so quick roundup about upcoming updates.  Wordpress will be updated for the same issue as the Drupal update I submitted to QA today.
19:54:57 <MrsB> #topic Luigis Roundup
19:55:03 <Luigi12_work> Bugzilla and 389-ds-base need to be updated
19:55:17 <Luigi12_work> I'll do dhcpcd soon, just hoping to get a CVE, but I'll push it if one doesn't come soon
19:55:37 <MrsB> #info Wordpress will be updated for the same issue as the Drupal submitted to QA today. Also bugzilla and 389-ds-base.
19:55:39 <Luigi12_work> zarafa is held up because it doesn't build, and sdcc has some things that barjac is working through I think
19:56:00 <Luigi12_work> resteasy is a Java package (ugh) that needs updated, I'll probably have to do that at some point
19:56:13 <wilcal> What Colin is doing will be glorious
19:56:15 <MrsB> #info dhcpd too but zarafa will be coming soon but has build issues
19:56:16 <Luigi12_work> that's all.  Any questoins?
19:56:26 <wilcal> See ya Luigi
19:56:37 <MrsB> thatks Luigi12_work
19:56:39 <lewyssmith> No; but thanks for your big efforts.
19:56:39 <Luigi12_work> thx, l8r
19:56:41 <MrsB> -t +n
19:57:02 <MrsB> ugh java stuff :(
19:57:50 <MrsB> #info Thanks to Colin for the work he's doing on making advisories easier to create and pushing and stuff :)
19:58:01 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
19:58:28 <MrsB> That only leaves..
19:58:35 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:58:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:58:50 * MrsB has something
19:58:53 <Tonyb> UEFI
19:59:10 <lewyssmith> !
19:59:18 <Tonyb> RAID, mdadm
19:59:23 <wilcal> Lets all remember that Mageia is still in the top 5 of DistroWatch
19:59:32 <MrsB> It's still experimental Tonyb. Thomas has some health issues so hasn't been able to make any progress with it recently
19:59:35 <wilcal> Among the heavy weights
20:00:06 <dvg> I would have a suggestion:
20:00:49 <dvg> if we are so low on resources for updates, could't we go easier on testing *only* on those which are near equal to fedora, if they have approved them?
20:01:01 <dvg> if you get the drift of what i am trying to say?
20:01:29 <lewyssmith> Tonyb: I have still to try resassitating installed Mageia5.
20:01:36 <dvg> i mean if they approve an update and we do roughly same, it should be okay? maybe?
20:01:48 <MrsB> There are over 160 people subscribed to qa-discuss, community there, just not getting involved
20:02:10 <Tonyb> Lewis: Perhaps email each other direct?
20:02:33 <lewyssmith> Happy to. The ML got out of hand between us.
20:02:34 <dvg> i talk to some people direct on irc
20:03:06 <Tonyb> :-)
20:03:24 <MrsB> I think we'll need to use discretion when we need to test deeper and when quick checks are ok but unless poeple do begin to get involved with testing updates it's narrowing our options as to what level of testing we can continue to provide
20:03:54 <lewyssmith> You said this plainly enough; we understand.
20:04:03 <dvg> it that case the council must be advised (again?)
20:04:19 <MrsB> Yes. I'll make sure it's known
20:04:43 <MrsB> I think for now we can work on one arch per release and decide if more is required
20:04:48 <lewyssmith> Dave's absence is disastrous for QA.
20:05:08 <dvg> still, a distro cannot hang by one person
20:05:30 <wilcal> We're hang'n in there. Everyone do what you can do when you can do it
20:05:54 <wilcal> I try to do the thing I understand the best and tinker with the others
20:06:01 <dvg> maybe more packages need to be said goodbye to
20:06:03 <MrsB> it was dave and myself through mga1 and 2 and people began getting involved in mga3 but here we are still with not enough hands and workload is through the roof.
20:06:22 <wilcal> Mageia is a BIG distro
20:06:31 <wilcal> Equal in size to Fedora
20:06:43 <wilcal> Fedora has way more resources then we do
20:06:48 <MrsB> it is, and the rate of security updates has increased dramatically
20:07:11 <wilcal> But still we hang in the top 5 at DistroWatch
20:07:17 <MrsB> having said all that though..
20:07:22 <MrsB> I'm away next week :)
20:07:23 <dvg> Yes, but Fedora does have redhat behind it in a way
20:07:34 <dvg> good for you. enjoy !
20:07:45 <wilcal> We closely follow Fedora and that helps a lot
20:07:52 <MrsB> thanks
20:07:54 <dvg> aye
20:08:10 <MrsB> morning RemyServices
20:08:27 <RemyServices> good afternoon, sorry for being late, already over?
20:08:34 <MrsB> Does anybody have anything else?
20:08:34 <lewyssmith> We are just finishing...
20:08:42 <lewyssmith> Not me.
20:08:54 <MrsB> #info MrsB is away next week
20:09:09 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:09:15 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
20:09:16 <dvg> bye all
20:09:17 <MrsB> 4
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20:09:21 <lewyssmith> Goodbye.
20:09:24 <MrsB> 2
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20:09:29 <MrsB> #endmeeting