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19:02:54 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
19:02:54 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's New? - If you are new to the team come and say hello
19:03:29 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who has not participated in a qa irc meeting before?
19:03:37 <Kernewes> just the usual motley crew, I think
19:03:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic ageia 5 - Alpha 2
19:04:09 <Kernewes> no M?
19:04:24 <wilcal> Only the Classic Installers right
19:04:31 <lewyssmith> Evening Dave G.
19:04:44 <Kernewes> dvg: evening
19:04:45 <marja> DavidWHodgins: you can #undo a topic and correct it
19:04:50 <DavidWHodgins> #info Classic iso images are currently being built. No live iso images expected for alpha 2.
19:04:54 <dvg> Hi all. sorry i'm late
19:05:06 <wilcal> not late at all
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19:05:09 <marja> DavidWHodgins: hi :-)
19:05:23 <marja> DavidWHodgins: I was too late, now the #info is removed
19:05:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 5 - Alpha 2
19:05:37 <DavidWHodgins> #info Classic iso images are currently being built. No live iso images expected for alpha 2.
19:05:57 <wilcal> Sometime this weekend
19:06:11 <DavidWHodgins> That will cut down the amount of testing we have to do.
19:06:31 <lewyssmith> Will all the comments noted about Alpha 1 be resolved?
19:07:11 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: That depends on the developers involved. Likely some will, and some won't.
19:07:23 <dvg> Do we stay with same pad as alpha1 ? It wasn't quite user friendly
19:07:31 <wilcal> Are they still working the GTK stuff
19:07:32 <Kernewes> will the password be the same?
19:07:41 <wilcal> a lot of the MCC was unusable
19:07:55 <Kernewes> wilcal: was it?
19:08:07 <wilcal> Ya it was in pretty tough shape
19:08:14 <wilcal> lots of black screens
19:08:27 <wilcal> in the MCC
19:08:39 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: I expect so.  When the iso images are built, either I or Claire wiil post a msg to the mailing list with the appropriate rename commands.
19:08:52 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: I'll keep an eye out
19:09:19 <Kernewes> wilcal: actually that explains what I saw when I tried the dual one, I thought maybe I needed to do something with the window manager or something
19:09:36 <Kernewes> not really used to the minimal one
19:09:37 <wilcal> na it's screwed up
19:10:09 <DavidWHodgins> #info A message will be posted to the qa discuss mailing list, with the appropriate rename commands, when the iso images are ready to download.
19:10:19 <wilcal> Sounds good David
19:10:39 <lewyssmith> You know this raise my blood pressure; dangerously.
19:10:41 <ennael> hi
19:10:46 <Kernewes> ennael: hi
19:10:48 <wilcal> hello ennael
19:10:49 <ennael> speaking about isos I'm around :)
19:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: :-)
19:11:06 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Any eta?
19:11:07 <ennael> so we will likely not have live isos for alpha2
19:11:24 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: stick around and you'll get an ulcer as well and you won't notice the blood pressure so much :)
19:11:38 <ennael> as tmb is not available I'v tried to find somebody to work on it
19:11:52 <ennael> but it's vacation time here and many people are missing
19:12:02 <Kernewes> I would imagine it's a lot of work
19:12:11 <wilcal> Holiday time in Europe brings back rememberances
19:12:22 <Kernewes> wilcal: are they repeatable?
19:12:22 <ennael> what I suggest is we keep the date and we have only classica isos
19:12:23 <wilcal> France shuts down in Aug
19:12:36 <lewyssmith> & July.
19:12:41 <ennael> and we will see if  we can find somebody in between
19:12:41 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: I was very surprised to see tmb created updates for glibc and the kernel. He's supposed to be taking it easy.
19:12:46 <wilcal> Yes, the MCC screens on M5A1 are all black
19:13:05 <ennael> wilcal: not os now rather first 2 weeks of august
19:13:06 <dvg> DavidWHodgins: indeed !
19:13:24 <marja> wilcal: not here ..... which DE and which graphic card?
19:13:26 <Kernewes> thought he was supposed to be doing nothing
19:13:27 <wilcal> Holland moves to Portugal in Aug
19:13:27 <lewyssmith> davidw, ennael : tmb *should* be doing nothing.
19:13:47 <Kernewes> Cornwall goes to Spain or Greece and the rest of England comes to Cornwall
19:13:59 <ennael> lewyssmith: he is a big guy :) I already have 2 children at home it's enough for me :)
19:14:19 <marja> wilcal: ah, I remember, that is with the dual..... I need to check something for that
19:14:25 <ennael> so I will create a pad for alpha2 as soon as I have some isos ready
19:14:42 <wilcal> This weekend ennael
19:14:46 <marja> wilcal: could be just a missing package
19:15:29 <dvg> ennael: the former pad was better than the last we had. which one do you intend to use?
19:15:37 <DavidWHodgins> btw, I was going to try to upload some advisories, but https://bugs.mageia.org is not responding here. wilcal posted it is working for him, and all of my other internet connctions are fine. No idea what the problem is.
19:15:47 <[mbot> [ Mageia Bugzilla Main Page ]
19:15:50 <ennael> as I will be in vacation with 3G only I will upload one iso as soon as it's ready
19:16:20 <Kernewes> ennael: where are you going?
19:16:26 <marja> ennael: an iso over 3G can't be fun :-/
19:16:38 <ennael> dvg: I will try to rewrite former one but the old server is down
19:16:49 <dvg> ennael: okay i see. thanks
19:16:54 <ennael> Kernewes: in France, in Britany and then south-west
19:16:59 <wilcal> bugs.mageia.org is working here
19:17:01 <Kernewes> ennael: oh, nice
19:17:12 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: works for me here
19:17:21 <wilcal> accessable i should say
19:17:23 <DavidWHodgins> Malone (my cat) has woken up, and either wants food or attention. Seems to be more attention.
19:17:50 <lewyssmith> We are drifting off-topic...
19:18:10 <marja> DavidWHodgins: maybe Malone blacklisted bugs.mageia.org, walking over your keyboard?
19:18:19 <Kernewes> :0
19:18:33 <diogenese> That's possible.
19:18:49 <DavidWHodgins> It won't load here in either opera or firefox
19:18:53 <dvg> cats and keys don't mix
19:19:08 <remyservices> Well to drift a little more, but kind of back on track, with the zgrep bug I went digging around and found a few other oddities, but yet unrelated
19:19:41 <lewyssmith> remyservices, Welcome.
19:19:45 <DavidWHodgins> Oh, it just loaded in firefox. Took a while, but it did load.
19:20:03 <marja> \o/
19:20:08 <remyservices> There are about 8 *grep* bins that throw a "/usr/bin/... line # missing pattern" error
19:20:40 <remyservices> zgrep is one I remember. Should I open bugs on these? They all seem to work, just have extra output when not passing options
19:20:55 <remyservices> Sorry for being a little late, lunch with the wife :)
19:21:13 <Kernewes> remyservices: glad you made it
19:21:15 <marja> remyservices: better late than never
19:21:38 <DavidWHodgins> remyservices: Open a bug report. The developer in charge of the package can decide whether or not to close the report.
19:22:04 <remyservices> Will do
19:22:19 <DavidWHodgins> remyservices: Thanks
19:22:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing Updates
19:23:29 <DavidWHodgins> Does everyone here understand how to test updates?
19:23:44 <lewyssmith> Has everyone seen Luigi's helpful summary e-mail?
19:23:47 <Kernewes> I find most of them incomprehensible
19:24:01 <Kernewes> I understand the general process
19:24:08 <Kernewes> it's the procedures for individual ones
19:24:18 <lewyssmith> It always is thus.
19:24:28 <wilcal> I try to work on the red security update candidates
19:24:44 <dvg> Sorry, I informed MrsB why I can't
19:25:13 <marja> lewyssmith: I can't receive ml mails from Luigi12_work, I'll look in the archives on ml.mageia.org, thx for telling about the mail
19:25:37 <lewyssmith> He says which are important etc.
19:25:56 <remyservices> lewyssmith: ill have to hit archives as well, don't remember seeing that one
19:26:05 <lewyssmith> Today.
19:26:09 <Kernewes> trouble is, the most important ones are the hardest to understand
19:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Every update does require you learn how to use the package first.  I've found many very useful packages, that I've never heard of before an update was issued.
19:26:32 <lewyssmith> And a lot more you will never use!
19:26:35 <marja> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/qa-discuss/2014-07/msg00138.html
19:26:38 <DavidWHodgins> marja: Are you using gmail?
19:26:45 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: that's my problem, it takes me so long to set up the package and learn it, I haven't got any time left for testing :(
19:27:02 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
19:27:14 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: but yes, you do get to find out about some good stuff
19:27:20 <marja> DavidWHodgins: no, but my ISP blocks yahoo sender mails that don't come directly from a yahoo server
19:28:18 <DavidWHodgins> marja: Find a free provider, but check the wiki page on how to change your Mageia email address.
19:28:24 <dvg> same ISP here. the fault is with yahoo, IANM
19:28:41 <marja> DavidWHodgins: no, I won't do that
19:29:05 <dvg> marja's isp is the best available here
19:29:16 <Kernewes> marja: have a different e-mail address for Mageia stuff
19:29:30 <wilcal> 90% setup and document 10% testing
19:29:39 <wilcal> that's the golden rule
19:29:40 <marja> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
19:29:42 <[mbot> [ Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's ]
19:30:16 <marja> Kernewes: I already tried my other ISP, but hit the same problem there
19:30:40 <Kernewes> marja: I mean just an e-mail service for a separate account, like GMX
19:30:53 <DavidWHodgins> For Luigi's Roundup, see his email to the qa discuss mailing list. Shall we move on to the last topic?
19:31:01 <lewyssmith> marja, Better to have an independant e-mail provider.
19:31:14 <marja> mine is independant
19:31:25 <lewyssmith> Oh.
19:31:28 <dvg> lewyssmith: the free one's are bad. sorry
19:31:57 <lewyssmith> Try laposte.net
19:32:01 <wilcal> I use ATT/Uverse/M4/Chromium/gmail
19:32:28 <DavidWHodgins> dvg: Although it does sometime have false positives, gmail seems to have one of the best spam filters around.
19:32:41 <dvg> and privacy?
19:32:52 <lewyssmith> Plus routine google spying.
19:32:56 <marja> sorry, need to leave
19:33:07 <diogenese> Take care marja
19:33:18 <dvg> bfn marja
19:34:33 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins, Yes, move on.
19:34:36 <DavidWHodgins> dvg: I've been using the internet since well before www existed. I know that it's not safe to put anything on the internet, that you don't want anyone other then the intended recipient to read, without good encryption.
19:34:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else?
19:35:18 <dvg> DavidWHodgins: me too. that's why my isp is better than gmail
19:35:29 <dvg> same as marja's :)
19:35:35 <wilcal> I just needed a couple minutes of your time after the meeting David. Advisory updates
19:35:36 <DavidWHodgins> So, does anyone else have a topic they would like to discuss?
19:35:46 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Ok
19:35:49 <remyservices> Not from me
19:35:55 <wilcal> not here
19:35:57 <lewyssmith> I had a weird problem last weekend where the madb summary screen showed, but individual bugs clagged. any ideas?
19:36:39 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Likely the server was overloaded at the time.
19:36:54 <dvg> lewyssmith: in bugzilla?
19:37:01 <lewyssmith> Possibly. I wondered that. But why the inital repsones?
19:37:25 <lewyssmith> Differnet servers?
19:37:26 <diogenese> More than one server involved.
19:37:33 <lewyssmith> Ah so.
19:38:14 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else, or should I end the meeting?
19:38:21 <Kernewes> I have to go anyway
19:38:24 <lewyssmith> I'm finished.
19:38:28 <dvg> ok
19:38:32 <wilcal> I'm done
19:38:52 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone!
19:38:53 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. thanks to the chairs.
19:38:57 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: thank you, Dave
19:39:04 <dvg> thanks all
19:39:04 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting