19:05:30 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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19:05:48 <MrsB> Morning everybody, welcome to another one
19:06:00 <MrsB> Did I forget to send the email?
19:06:11 <wilcal> Yup no problem here
19:06:16 <MrsB> found it half written here when i sat down
19:06:24 <wilcal> Busy week
19:06:26 <MrsB> #chair wilcal
19:06:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal
19:06:28 <dvg> keep it for next week
19:06:31 <MrsB> yeah it is a bit
19:06:40 <wilcal> Use last weeks listing
19:06:50 <MrsB> Well I'd like to keep it brief this week
19:06:54 <wilcal> Cept Alpha 1 is released
19:06:58 <MrsB> need to be fresh in the morning
19:07:07 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
19:07:15 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today?
19:07:34 <MrsB> doesn't look like it. Has everybody abandoned us?
19:07:54 <lewyssmith> Not everyone. Ozky is here.
19:07:55 <wilcal> I'd never abandon Mageia
19:08:12 <MrsB> #info nobody new and lots of new people missing :(
19:08:21 <Ozky> Me too used it from first version
19:08:27 <dvg> holiday time?
19:08:28 <MrsB> morning Latte
19:08:35 <MrsB> maybe
19:08:49 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
19:09:13 <wilcal> I've got one to comment on so we can clear it
19:09:31 <MrsB> #info We have some easy bugs, see my email to the list. Please make good use of them while they are here to get started validating updates
19:10:06 <lewyssmith> wilcal, avidemux?
19:10:11 <MrsB> there are plenty to go around though so everybody else can do them too :)
19:10:17 <wilcal> here goes
19:10:18 <wilcal> avidemux needs to be updated for ffmpeg security issues
19:10:20 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13643
19:10:21 <[mbot> Bug 13643: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , avidemux needs to be updated for ffmpeg security issues, avidemux-2.6.8-1.mga5.src.rpm
19:10:21 <wilcal> I think David ( Luigi ) has put enough time into this Turkey.
19:10:23 <wilcal> It updates without any problems so IMO it's good to go.
19:10:24 <wilcal> The application is fraught with holes and problems but
19:10:26 <wilcal> I'm sure there are some people who like to work with it.
19:10:27 <wilcal> So be it, push it. If someone has problems with it raise
19:10:29 <wilcal> the bug upstream.
19:10:49 <MrsB> no regressions though?
19:11:10 <wilcal> Ya know I found a lot of problems with it
19:11:20 <wilcal> Every time I tested it it changed
19:11:34 <wilcal> It appears to be really old and can't deal with newer formats
19:11:46 <lewyssmith> Video is *not* my scene at all. So I left it to Bill.
19:11:57 <MrsB> it won't encode to aac
19:12:09 <MrsB> it should read it though
19:12:15 <wilcal> It won't do a lot of things and needs better docs
19:12:20 <MrsB> it doesn't particularly like mkv either
19:12:44 <wilcal> I don't want David ( Luigi ) spending a lot of time on it
19:12:55 <MrsB> as long as the update is no worse than the original it's ok
19:12:57 <lewyssmith> As long as there are no *reversions*, it can surely go?
19:13:14 <wilcal> I'll let it go then thanks everyone
19:13:24 <MrsB> great, thats one down!
19:13:35 <MrsB> are you able to add the advisory now?
19:13:55 <wilcal> :-(( sorry ran into a lot of other things this week
19:14:02 <MrsB> that's a bit of a fiddly one as it has core and tainted srpms
19:14:03 <wilcal> Won't really be free till Monday
19:14:28 <wilcal> Back to the advisory thingy on Monday, sorry
19:14:37 <lewyssmith> If you OK it, it can surely wait until then.
19:14:39 <MrsB> #info QA needs people to step up and test updates. If nobody tests them they won't get pushed!
19:15:03 <MrsB> I'll add the advisory for that one wilcal, if you want to validate it
19:15:19 <wilcal> Will do
19:15:34 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Claire, " QA needs people to step up and test updates" is a weekly plea.
19:15:44 <wilcal> Can we agree to some simple test for Java
19:15:54 <wilcal> That should come off the list pretty easy
19:16:13 <lewyssmith> Doesn't it have a couple of its own test pages?
19:16:14 <wilcal> Run some Web Java game is what I used to do
19:16:17 <MrsB> that is dead easy, install icedtea-web and then start your browser and test with some java website
19:16:52 <MrsB> http://javatester.org/version.html
19:16:54 <[mbot> [ Java Tester - What Version of Java Are You Running? ]
19:17:29 <wilcal> Ya and run some web java game
19:17:38 <wilcal> Then turn java back off
19:17:41 <MrsB> yeah, anything to show it working is fine
19:18:10 <lewyssmith> Change subject: I looked at Cacti, & backed off quickly.
19:18:28 <MrsB> yeah that's a new one to us, i haven't looked at it really yet
19:18:46 <MrsB> pick off the easy ones
19:18:52 <lewyssmith> You can spend ages just sassing out what it is/does.
19:19:09 <MrsB> yep, that's half the battle
19:19:31 <lewyssmith> It needs too much external stuff: networks.
19:19:35 <MrsB> it's why we try and record how we test things in the bug so we can look back to it next time the update comes up
19:19:42 <remyservices> I've done cacti before so I can try that tonight, been some time though so I'm not sure I remember it all
19:19:53 <MrsB> hi remyservices that's great
19:20:03 <lewyssmith> You're on!
19:20:17 <MrsB> couldn't even tell you what it is atm
19:20:29 <remyservices> Network monitoring
19:20:38 <MrsB> ahh right
19:20:56 <lewyssmith> It is astonishing how many package sites simply do not explain the product.
19:21:05 <MrsB> asterisk is an easy oen for somebody, simple procedure listed on the bug
19:22:08 <MrsB> mariadb is the database used by webapps mainly so install, test they still work, not looked for PoC yet
19:22:36 <MrsB> owncloud still needs one test on mga4 32
19:22:51 <remyservices> I can try to too
19:22:59 <MrsB> great :)
19:23:03 <remyservices> I've had a very log week but I will try to do it too
19:23:20 <MrsB> php-zendframework is fairly easy, maybe another one you could do remyservices? procedure on the bug
19:23:45 <MrsB> I'll be here tomorrow afternoon so can try and mop up a few
19:23:55 <remyservices> Not familiar with it but if there is a procedure I sure will try it
19:24:05 <lewyssmith> I can probably do something over the weekend.
19:24:12 <MrsB> yeah it's in a comment on the bug
19:24:39 <MrsB> we don't see many coming through now which we haven't updated some time in the past
19:25:22 <ennael> hi there
19:25:27 <wilcal> Hello ennael
19:25:28 <MrsB> hi ennael
19:25:33 <Ozky> Hi ennael
19:25:39 <lewyssmith> MrsB, No guarantee that testing the thing is in the bag.
19:26:30 <MrsB> we all have to do what we can, we have to really or this doesn't work
19:26:50 <lewyssmith> We do, I think.
19:27:09 <Ozky> Yes sure we do
19:27:17 <MrsB> there's a chance my time might become more limited soon.
19:27:27 <lewyssmith> Danger...
19:27:55 <lewyssmith> Especially with Dave out of action.
19:28:23 <MrsB> well, most things have procedures now. It's normally just a matetr of following them at this stage
19:29:19 <wilcal> I try to put my test proceedures into every bug I touch
19:29:47 <lewyssmith> I do that.
19:29:58 <MrsB> I'll validate ruby-actionpack I think. It doesn't work with the packages depending on it anyway so the update won't break anything.
19:30:31 <MrsB> or the packages depending on it are unmaintained and don't work with it, is probably more acurate
19:30:47 <lewyssmith> It is greyed.
19:31:14 <MrsB> yeah, rails stuff may be dropped in mga5. It's unmaintained and been broken for a while
19:31:35 <remyservices> Is rails as a whole unmaintained or just that version line?
19:31:39 <Luigi12_work> maybe we should have a note in the advisory (if we're going to release the mga4 update) that this may be the last update for these packages
19:32:38 <MrsB> rails as a whole afaik remyservices. pterjan has been maintaining the actionpack but the rails stuff is unloved.
19:33:14 <MrsB> everything is version dependent and so gets out of whack quite easily
19:33:42 <MrsB> it's never really worked properly
19:33:45 <remyservices> Ok, I thought I saw a recent update to it, like within the month but I didn't dig too deep
19:34:01 <MrsB> yeah, probably actionpack, not so long ago
19:34:20 <remyservices> Never been a fan, tried redmine a little while ago but gave up on it
19:34:32 <MrsB> i think that's the concensus of most
19:34:53 <Ozky> It's been big problem to mageia so will be good to drop
19:35:16 <MrsB> #info if anybody wants to maintain ruby-rails stuff please comment on mageia-dev ML as there are plans to drop it in mga5 if not
19:36:14 <MrsB> ok that leaves mostly easy ones, Ozky have you had a look?
19:36:14 <lewyssmith> Can we advance?
19:36:55 <Ozky> Yes i look that page right now
19:37:08 <MrsB> #info Please see "Easy bugs" email on qa-discuss
19:38:02 <MrsB> have a go Ozky, it's not often we have a bunch of easy ones so it's a great time to begin
19:38:09 <remyservices> I will try to hit the three I commented to and hit any others as well if I can stay up
19:38:18 <MrsB> well done remyservices thanks
19:38:51 <MrsB> with so few of us we can't afford to allow the list to grow, it gets out of control very easily if left unattended
19:39:10 <remyservices> im in MST and will get on IRC tonight if anyone else is in the USA, can help walk through any of the easy ones for beginners
19:39:37 <MrsB> Luigi12_work is US and diogenese and Dave hodgins if he comes on
19:39:44 <MrsB> and malo now too
19:40:21 <MrsB> and of course wilcal :)
19:40:25 <lewyssmith> DaveH is Canada, actually...
19:40:28 <wilcal> Yep Surf City USA
19:40:31 <MrsB> yeah, sorry he is
19:40:40 <MrsB> same timezone as Luigi12_work
19:40:57 <lewyssmith> I was thinking he might be sensitive on the subject.
19:41:11 <MrsB> he may well be :)
19:41:21 <lewyssmith> I would be.
19:41:33 <Latte> oh hi MrsB
19:41:36 <MrsB> still on the run from that bank job he did ;)
19:41:48 <MrsB> morning Latte
19:42:05 <MrsB> hows the hangover now?
19:42:22 <Latte> thursday is not a good day for meeting for me :(
19:42:24 <remyservices> Off a latte?
19:42:36 <Latte> it's sports day
19:42:47 <MrsB> ahh right
19:43:03 <dvg> only one day per week?
19:43:19 <Latte> better than nothing ;)
19:43:27 <MrsB> i did some gardening, if that counts
19:43:29 <dvg> tre :)
19:43:36 <dvg> true...
19:43:44 <Latte> MrsB: of course
19:43:48 <MrsB> \o/
19:44:09 <Latte> keeps the body fit as well - and it's in the air
19:44:11 <dvg> if you graden in high gear it's ok
19:44:15 <dvg> garden
19:44:16 <lewyssmith> Gardening is pottering, therapeutic, no?
19:44:42 <MrsB> i trimmed some trees and did the hedge
19:44:54 <lewyssmith> I sympathise.
19:45:05 <MrsB> been hot today too
19:45:14 <wilcal> I do an official gym 6-days/week
19:45:21 <MrsB> wow
19:45:30 <lewyssmith> And Facebook?
19:45:55 <lewyssmith> And what about all that surf?
19:47:10 <wilcal> Lemme look at the surf report today
19:47:20 <MrsB> not seen any surfing vids yet, that's true
19:47:23 <wilcal> we've gotten away from QA stuff  :-0
19:47:31 <MrsB> yes :\
19:47:39 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:47:51 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: are you here today?
19:48:00 <lewyssmith> He is!
19:48:36 <MrsB> yes he is isn't he
19:48:44 <MrsB> ping then Luigi12_work :)
19:48:51 <wilcal> .TODAY...
19:48:53 <wilcal> SURF HEIGHT.............1 TO 3 FEET.
19:48:54 <wilcal> RIP CURRENT POTENTIAL...LOW.*
19:48:56 <wilcal> WATER TEMPERATURE.......68 TO 72 DEGREES.
19:48:57 <wilcal> REMARKS...MAX SETS TO 4 FEET ON EXPOSED SOUTH FACING BEACHES.
19:49:07 <lewyssmith> Hello David. (He has already chipped in).
19:49:53 <MrsB> I missed it, yeah, sorry
19:50:10 <lewyssmith> No nned for 'sorry'.
19:50:48 <MrsB> i guess he's busy again now
19:51:05 <Luigi12_work> sorry, SSL certs got outdated this week and everything's broken
19:51:08 <Luigi12_work> (at work)
19:51:16 <Luigi12_work> anyway, nothing new for the roundup since last week
19:51:17 <MrsB> lol it's ok
19:51:35 <wilcal> MrsB is gonna get her short meeting this week
19:51:39 <MrsB> #info nothing new to add to the roundup \o/
19:51:47 <MrsB> thanks David
19:51:53 <MrsB> good luck with the certs
19:52:15 <MrsB> it's happened here before too hasn't it
19:52:52 <MrsB> so that leaves... not much..
19:52:55 <remyservices> Certs stink to deal with, just did a Exchange cert which is popping up on users now, hence the long week
19:53:15 <MrsB> must be an edumaction thing
19:53:23 <MrsB> edumacation
19:53:43 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:53:53 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:53:57 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:54:35 <MrsB> #info obgr_seneca (Oliver Burger) became a daddy this week, Congratulations Oliver!
19:54:43 <Latte> yeah
19:54:59 <Latte> aaron burger
19:55:05 <MrsB> he was instrumental in getting the doc team up and running and a mageia board member
19:55:20 <dvg> that's quick !
19:55:23 <wilcal> No from me
19:55:28 <dvg> congrats
19:55:36 <Latte> born at 15.07
19:56:00 <MrsB> He's accepting all well wishes so drop him an email if you like :)
19:56:29 <remyservices> Will do
19:56:40 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all; thanks to all.
19:56:44 <Ozky> Oh that's great congrats from me too :)
19:56:55 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
19:56:59 <Latte> a new Mageia Member :)
19:57:05 <MrsB> lol let's hope so!
19:57:36 <MrsB> T - 5 then
19:57:44 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
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19:57:55 <MrsB> #endmeeting