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19:07:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal
19:07:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:07:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's New? - If you are new to the team come and say hello
19:07:35 <MrsB> Is anybody new today?
19:07:45 <simonnzg> I'm sort-of new...
19:07:59 <MrsB> we can go with that if you like
19:08:09 <DavidWHodgins> simonnzg: Welcome to the qa team!
19:08:28 <MrsB> simonnzg: introduce yourself to everybody and everybody introduce yourself to simonnzg
19:08:41 <MrsB> well done on your first tests today
19:08:42 <Kernewes> simonnzg: you know me from the Doc team
19:08:45 * simonnzg waves
19:09:02 <diogenese> \o back
19:09:13 <wilcal> Where from?
19:09:16 <DavidWHodgins> simonnzg: I'm Dave Hodgins from London Ontario Canada.
19:09:28 <MrsB> I'm Claire from the UK, feeling distictly middle aged today
19:09:41 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:09:42 <simonnzg> I've been on the doc team since MGA1, been using Linux/Unix since about 1979. Distincly getting on a bit.
19:09:44 <diogenese> William Murphy from Weaverville, California
19:09:48 <dvg> Dick from Holland, probably youngest here
19:09:50 <Kernewes> MrsB: you ain't seen nothing yet :(
19:10:06 <simonnzg> Shall we start counting wrinkles? ;-)
19:10:12 <Ozky> I'am Otto and from finland
19:10:14 <MrsB> :(
19:10:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'm 53 years old, but feel more like 80.
19:10:20 <Kernewes> I'm counting grey hairs and starting to lose count
19:10:22 <lewyssmith> Lewis from France.
19:10:28 <diogenese> 57 here
19:10:33 <MrsB> I think most of us know simonnzg already but this is good for anybody who doesn't, and the other way around too :)
19:10:38 <simonnzg> You beat me! 54
19:10:44 <Kernewes> 51 nearly 52
19:10:53 <DavidWHodgins> My hair started going white when I was 23.
19:10:54 <diogenese> Wait... Only 56... for a month or so.
19:10:55 <MrsB> well you lot are all way past middle age
19:11:07 <dvg> not me
19:11:08 <Kernewes> MrsB: you can go off people
19:11:10 <simonnzg> DavidWHodgins: My hair had run away before it went white
19:11:32 <wilcal> Dio your next to the Shasta-Trinity National Forest
19:11:33 <simonnzg> dvg: don't tell me you're NOT over 50???!?!
19:11:44 <Ozky> I'am not even near 50 yet but today 30
19:11:45 <dvg> no i'm not
19:11:46 <diogenese> wilcal: I'm in it.
19:11:56 <simonnzg> Ozky: Happy Birthday!
19:12:01 <dvg> can't remember last time i looked
19:12:06 <Ozky> Thx
19:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> My hairline has receded at least 5 cm, and is really thinning on top.
19:12:14 <Kernewes> Ozky: happy birthday
19:12:27 <wilcal> Wow
19:12:33 <lewyssmith> Ozky: Bonne anniversaire.
19:12:38 <dvg> happy returns
19:12:46 <DavidWHodgins> Ozky: Happy birthday!
19:12:48 <MrsB> Yes hope you had a good day Ozky :)
19:12:49 <Ozky> Now i'am in man age :)
19:12:58 <lewyssmith> Ozky: Penblwydd hapus.
19:13:05 <simonnzg> Ozky: Down-hill all the way from now on.
19:13:23 <Ozky> :)
19:13:25 <dvg> lewyssmith: no name calling please ;)
19:13:37 <simonnzg> This is going to look great in the minutes...
19:13:38 <wilcal> I gave up on growing hair on top of my head years ago
19:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:13:54 <diogenese> I'm glad it's gone :)
19:14:02 <diogenese> I don't need a comb
19:14:10 <MrsB> welcome to the retirement home
19:14:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'm tempted to shave off what's left.
19:14:22 <Kernewes> we'll be QA testing hair restorers soon
19:14:27 <simonnzg> diogenese: As I grow older I get this urge to get a Mohecan, but I can't. :-(
19:14:28 <MrsB> :D
19:14:47 <MrsB> Let's move on then shall we
19:14:52 <diogenese> :)
19:14:57 <Kernewes> yes, this is getting depressing
19:15:02 <MrsB> innit
19:15:03 <dvg> :)
19:15:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha 1 The Aftermath - How did we do?
19:15:30 <MrsB> thanks dave !
19:15:47 <dvg> i was not too pleased with the pad
19:15:52 <MrsB> So guys, how did we do? If it was your first time particularly, how did you find it?
19:15:54 <dvg> had to load it again and again
19:16:09 <lewyssmith> Alas, I was too pressed to get stuck in. Sorry.
19:16:18 <MrsB> #info maybe find a new pad service next time
19:16:18 <Kernewes> I wish you could keep the same colour every time you go onto the pad
19:16:30 <dvg> true
19:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> I had several power failures over the last few days due to thunderstorms, so couldn't test much.
19:16:52 <MrsB> you do usually, Kernewes. You maybe change ip or clear cookies or something if not
19:17:01 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: It is difficult choosing a match from last time.
19:17:10 <wilcal> I think the pad is just what it is a place to put your experiences with testing it's not meant to be absolute
19:17:17 <wilcal> sometimes I just put thoughts there
19:17:24 <Kernewes> we still have to report major stuff on Bugzilla
19:17:28 <wilcal> I experienced this or that
19:17:38 <dvg> yes i also added a remark that bugs should not refer to the pad, as it is not constant
19:17:38 <Kernewes> it's good for jotting down general impressions
19:17:39 <MrsB> yeah, it fills both purposes really
19:17:48 <wilcal> Yes, bug are bugs but funky things get put into the pad
19:17:49 <MrsB> it's important to create bugs though
19:17:55 <MrsB> yeah
19:18:08 <MrsB> #info <wilcal> Yes, bug are bugs but funky things get put into the pad
19:18:13 <lewyssmith> Only way to get *anything* changed.
19:18:13 <MrsB> like that line :)
19:18:49 <wilcal> I typically put something I just found in the pad then work it some more till I'm sure I found something then create the bug
19:19:12 <MrsB> that's a good way to do it, it pays to have more info when you create the bug report. Logs etc
19:19:13 <simonnzg> I do that and get MrsB telling me off for breaking things.. ;-)
19:19:23 <Kernewes> it's handy if someone's already noted something on the pad so you know it's not just you
19:19:32 <Kernewes> quicker than searching Bugzilla
19:19:35 <MrsB> never tell you off for breaking things, we're here to break things!
19:19:36 <wilcal> Put it in the pad, sleep on it, try it again and if it's still a problem create the bug
19:19:55 <simonnzg> MrsB: :D
19:20:03 <wilcal> pad is especially good if other people kinda have the same problem
19:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> The developers/packagers generally don't follow the pad, so bug reports are more important then the pad. The pad is mainly for qa members to know if a bug has already been reported.
19:20:12 <simonnzg> wilcal: That's right
19:20:18 <wilcal> I break things all the time big time
19:20:22 <MrsB> exactly Dave
19:20:23 <Kernewes> me too
19:20:43 * simonnzg tends to find a problem and then hits DuckDuck or Google...
19:20:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:20:44 <wilcal> FWI I use VirtualBox extensively because I break things all the time
19:21:01 <MrsB> good a reason as any
19:21:14 <simonnzg> wilcal: Good idea. I'm still smarting from Mandrake eating my only CD-ROM drive...
19:21:35 <Kernewes> I didn't get to do much pre-release testing and what I did try didn't boot
19:21:44 <Kernewes> but I'm having a go now post-release
19:21:47 <lewyssmith> Mag4 messed a hard drive for me.
19:21:50 <Kernewes> seems pretty good
19:21:54 <wilcal> Maybe some sharing of how we test would be of some worth to the new people
19:21:57 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I use an ssd drive for my main system, but have a 1TB drive with multiple installations on it.
19:22:15 <wilcal> So you use multiple partitions
19:22:24 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:22:27 <lewyssmith> Have to, Bill.
19:22:28 <Kernewes> I use multiple partitions
19:22:28 <MrsB> me too
19:22:32 <dvg> mostly use a laptop next to my desktop
19:22:48 <wilcal> All my testing platforms have removable replaceable hard drive modules
19:22:48 <Ozky> I have too ssd but my usb hard drive broked so i needed to install my test installs to 32gigas usb stick
19:23:09 <wilcal> I've got about a dozen HD's dedecated to just testing
19:23:26 <DavidWHodgins> I always install grub to the root partition, and use gag to choose which partition to boot from
19:23:44 <wilcal> The primary test drive also has a VirtualBox install and that where I do most of my testing
19:23:50 <Kernewes> I've got a removable USB hard drive but I tend to use it for backups more than testing
19:24:12 <wilcal> Vbox has really gotten to be very good on M4
19:24:23 <diogenese> It's impressive.
19:24:25 <simonnzg> I have a modern PC I use for testing and an old clunker for my day-to-day work.
19:24:26 <Ozky> Yes and they are so slow if not having usb 3 disk
19:24:30 <wilcal> So it's a good platform to start tesing with
19:24:42 <MrsB> morning RemyServices
19:24:52 <RemyServices> morning, sorry for being late
19:24:55 <wilcal> So if you completely blow up an install it's no big deal
19:24:58 <diogenese> Back from the ages :)
19:25:00 <wilcal> Hello Remy
19:25:03 <MrsB> it's ok, you've been here for Ages ;)
19:25:07 <Kernewes> hello Remy
19:25:33 <MrsB> I dual boot mine when ISo testing
19:25:47 <DavidWHodgins> For testing under vb, see bug 44 and add "divider=10" to the kernel options.
19:25:48 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), mageia-gfxboot-theme / drakx-installer-images
19:26:10 <wilcal> Vbox does not work everywhere all the time but it works most of the time
19:26:28 <wilcal> Ideal platform is i5/i7 and 8GB of DRAM
19:26:38 <MrsB> :D
19:26:44 * MrsB far from ideal
19:26:56 <Kernewes> I've never had as much as 8GB DRAM
19:27:08 <dvg> never elss than 12
19:27:12 <dvg> less
19:27:14 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Seems to depend on what graphics card you have.
19:27:22 <wilcal> My primary platform is my VIdeo Editor fullup i7 w/16GB and nvidia
19:27:40 <wilcal> I've run as many as 5 Vbox clients at the same time
19:27:43 <Luigi12_work> I think the bug 44 / divider=10 thing only applies if the VM is using the desktop kernel
19:27:51 <Luigi12_work> the server kernel already has HZ=100
19:28:31 <MrsB> it's particularly if your cpu doesn't have VTx or whatever it's called
19:28:49 <MrsB> the VM harddware acceleration
19:29:01 <DavidWHodgins> I've had as many as 7 vb guests running, with 16GB ram, but only (with caching) 10GB used
19:29:12 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Correct
19:29:57 <MrsB> So we did OK then, apart from difficulties with the pad?
19:30:10 <wilcal> I think we did outstanding
19:30:11 <Kernewes> Yes, I think you did
19:30:11 <MrsB> everybody understand the process?
19:30:24 <DavidWHodgins> Any install I do under vb (or xen, or qem) , I always switch to the server kernel.
19:30:30 <wilcal> If you think you saw something throw it up on the pad
19:31:10 <MrsB> there's maybe a better way to do it but we haven't found it yet if there is
19:31:41 <MrsB> Shall we move on then
19:31:52 <wilcal> Best on the pad is when someone posts something funky and someone else sees the same funky
19:32:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - The weekly security roundup
19:32:07 <MrsB> missed on
19:32:08 <MrsB> e
19:32:14 <Luigi12_work> yeah
19:32:23 <wilcal> have a seat Luigi
19:32:26 <MrsB> we can do it this way if you like tho
19:32:32 <Luigi12_work> might as well
19:32:40 <wilcal> Luigi is always ready
19:32:43 <MrsB> over to you then Luigi12_work
19:32:56 <Luigi12_work> I'm hoping to work on pidgin and vlc updates this weekend
19:33:03 <Luigi12_work> other than that, nothing new since last week
19:33:13 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on other packagers for older ones
19:33:15 <MrsB> wow really?
19:33:19 <MrsB> quiet week
19:33:23 <wilcal> Security bugs count is down and nothing too critical?
19:33:23 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's been a SLOW week
19:33:27 <MrsB> \o/
19:33:32 <Luigi12_work> everyone's at the beach I guess
19:33:32 <wilcal> Good thing to take a breather
19:33:42 <diogenese> Surely there's another mediawiki update out soon...
19:33:48 <Luigi12_work> oh colin is working on a mythtv update
19:33:51 <MrsB> #info It's a slow week for security updates!
19:33:53 <Luigi12_work> diogenese: lol I hope not
19:33:53 <wilcal> Gave me a chance to tinker with ssh-genkey
19:34:02 <diogenese> :)
19:34:07 <MrsB> keygen
19:34:20 <wilcal> ssh-keygen  :-0
19:34:40 <MrsB> #info updates coming soon-ish for mythtv, vlc & pidgin
19:34:53 <Luigi12_work> avidemux got assigned back to QA just before the meeting
19:35:02 <lewyssmith> What is it?
19:35:06 <Luigi12_work> I'm pretty sure the other packages built from the avidemux source just link to the ffmpeg in the main one
19:35:12 <wilcal> The ole mythtv thing requires a TV board right?
19:35:24 <MrsB> #info today we have avidemux
19:35:37 <MrsB> this is looking liek your territory wilcal
19:35:50 <MrsB> avidemux is a video editor
19:35:56 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
19:35:57 <wilcal> Yep ready to rock and roll on those multimedia apps
19:36:03 <MrsB> similar to virtualdub in windows
19:36:07 <Luigi12_work> owncloud really sucks at getting their security advisories out in a timely manner
19:36:09 <wilcal> I briefly looked at it
19:36:16 <Ozky> It's converter too
19:36:20 <MrsB> yeah
19:36:35 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I'm on my way there.
19:36:44 <wilcal> I use command line ffmeg for conversions
19:36:47 <MrsB> if it's still there i'll tackle owncloud tomorrow
19:36:50 <wilcal> ffmpeg
19:36:58 <diogenese> Handy tool :)
19:37:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Question at end.
19:37:12 <MrsB> ok
19:37:24 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have
19:37:29 <lewyssmith> Great!
19:37:32 <diogenese> Thanks Luigi12_work :)
19:37:37 <MrsB> yeah tyvm
19:37:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else?
19:38:02 <MrsB> make the most of the quiet week then guys, lets bring the list down to zero!
19:38:13 <Kernewes> if you need a break between testing, try out sgt-puzzles from Mga5
19:38:18 <Kernewes> I suggested it :0
19:38:20 <MrsB> we missed a topic dave
19:38:42 <MrsB> Does anybody have anything to ask about updates?
19:38:42 <wilcal> I've a new question about ssh-keygen after the meeting
19:38:56 <Kernewes> MrsB: no
19:39:03 <Luigi12_work> doesn't look like there's many updates to test right now :o)
19:39:14 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: they're doing really well, aren't they?
19:39:21 <MrsB> There is a fairly easy one, php-ZendFramework. Procedure is there on the bug
19:39:23 <wilcal> The calm before the storm or everyone is on Holiday
19:39:35 <DavidWHodgins> I have to go back to sleep, so bye for now.
19:39:40 <Luigi12_work> good night
19:39:42 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: bye Dave
19:39:44 <MrsB> Nite Dave, thanks for coming!
19:39:47 <wilcal> Bye David hope to see you next week
19:39:48 <diogenese> Take goo care Dave ;)
19:39:54 <diogenese> +d
19:40:04 <wilcal> I've a comment for new people testing and posting in Bugs
19:40:05 <Ozky> Need to learn at weekend how to validate those updates next step to me
19:40:24 <MrsB> yes, please do Ozky. It's the main part of the work we do
19:40:39 <Kernewes> Ozky: it's scary at first but you'll get used to it
19:40:49 <MrsB> always seem to have difficulty getting people involved in that side too
19:41:35 <MrsB> Everybody else clear about how to test them?
19:41:43 <lewyssmith> Re PostgreSQL & Owncloud...
19:42:07 <lewyssmith> I am trying to set up Owncloud to use Postgresql...
19:42:14 <MrsB> ok
19:42:20 <wilcal> My comment is try to explain how you tested. Don't just say "Testing OK" tells us a little, or a lot, how you tested
19:42:51 <wilcal> Hold a sec on owncloud
19:43:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12889
19:43:35 <[mbot> Bug 12889: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, owncloud new security issues fixed upstream in 5.0.15 and 6.0.2, owncloud-6.0.0-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:43:46 <lewyssmith> I followed Owncloud's instructions to set up a Postgresql user & database before setting Owncloud up; called everything owncloud....
19:43:51 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13274
19:43:52 <[mbot> Bug 13274: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, owncloud new security issues fixed upstream in 5.0.16 and 6.0.3, owncloud-6.0.2-1.mga5.src.rpm
19:44:11 <wilcal> I put my testing steps in both those bugs
19:44:29 <lewyssmith> But Owncloud setup wants a *database* password which does not exist.
19:44:34 <wilcal> owncloud was a little confusing at first
19:44:46 <lewyssmith> So what do I do?
19:44:54 <wilcal> Maybe that should be a seperate bug from a standard update
19:45:03 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Database user and password?
19:45:19 <diogenese> For postgresql you need to set up a role.
19:45:20 <MrsB> when you create a database in either mysql (mariadb) or postgresql you create a database a database user and a user password
19:45:36 <lewyssmith> Yes. The databse has the user assigned, who has his password.
19:45:39 <simonnzg> That user is used by the application (OwnCLoud) to talk to the database.
19:45:58 <simonnzg> It's not an OwnCloud user.
19:46:25 <lewyssmith> The setup screen wants a *database* password, which did not enter anywhere.
19:46:31 <wilcal> Have we somewhere easy steps to set up a mysql (mariadb) with user and PW that we can use over and over
19:46:46 <MrsB> yeah it just means the database and credentials to use to access it
19:47:07 <wilcal> name of DB, user and PW
19:47:08 <MrsB> the databse itself doesn't have the password but the user who has access to it does
19:47:14 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: I understand that.
19:47:15 <MrsB> database user i mean
19:47:30 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: If you use the SQLite database, it's all done automagically, otehrwise, you have to set up an empty database with a user and a password, then tell Owncloud that information. It then logs onto the empty database and builds all it's tables, etc.
19:47:38 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Owncloud setup is asking for a databse password. Don't know why.
19:47:53 <wilcal> would you say SQLite is easier to use
19:47:58 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: Have doen all that.
19:48:02 <MrsB> yeah it's commonly seen that way lewis. It just means the password for the database user
19:48:45 <MrsB> a database has 3 pieces of info, the database name the user who accesses that databse and the password
19:48:53 <lewyssmith> Well, it is being bounced. When I access the databse directly from command line with the user, it conects - but does not ask for the user password.
19:48:53 <Kernewes> can you set up owncloud on localhost?
19:48:57 <simonnzg> MrsB: Sometimes, it's best to use the name and password of the main database admin, not a particular user. Once you're sure it all works, add the database user and edit the config files.
19:48:58 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:49:00 <MrsB> yes Kernewes
19:49:20 * Kernewes will try that sometime
19:49:33 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Maybe you haven't set a password for that user?
19:49:41 <lewyssmith> I did.
19:49:45 <MrsB> owncloud makes it easy to enter stuff liek that simonnzg
19:49:52 <Kernewes> if you've got a database for Mediawiki, can you use the same database user and password for Owncloud?
19:49:54 <simonnzg> MrsB: Yes, I use it.
19:50:06 <MrsB> cool, well it's in need of testing \o/
19:50:13 <simonnzg> It's the main calendaring engine for my company.
19:50:31 <simonnzg> MrsB: I use Ubun*u...  ;-)
19:50:41 <MrsB> everywhere?
19:51:02 <simonnzg> MrsB: My whole server "room" is full of Ubuntu 14.04
19:51:18 <MrsB> ohh yeah, don't test things in there, you'd not be very popular if you broke it
19:52:05 <diogenese> Kernewes: Would have to grant privileges for the owncloud database for that use, yes you should be able to do that
19:52:15 <Kernewes> diogenese: thanks
19:52:16 <diogenese> *user
19:52:58 <Ozky> Oh yes ubuntu is cancer in linux world
19:53:27 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I'll install OwnCloud on my MGA4 box and try to make it talk to postgresql...  Let's see what the problem is.
19:53:47 <MrsB> great :)
19:53:50 <simonnzg> Ozky: Makes great servers. Once you switch off all the "Smarts"
19:54:08 <wilcal> Please document what you find carefully so someone testing after you can duplicate what you did
19:54:22 <wilcal> An easy proceedure for testing owncloud
19:54:23 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: I used 'ownclud' for everything: dtabase name, username, user password, databse owner.
19:54:32 <simonnzg> wilcal: Documentation I can do.. Testing is harder. :)
19:54:42 <MrsB> that's usually the way i do it too lewis
19:54:46 <Kernewes> simonnzg: +1
19:54:50 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: OK, I'll try to do the same
19:55:06 <lewyssmith> I will try from the beginning again.
19:55:32 <MrsB> you can manage postgresql through webmin if you don't like doing it on cli
19:55:57 <lewyssmith> It's SQL - given specifically by Owncloud.
19:55:58 <wilcal> Once had an Engineering Mgr tell me Engineering is 90% planning 10% testing
19:56:35 <MrsB> did you sack him?
19:56:41 <Kernewes> wilcal: I seem to recall reading that coding is 10% writing and 90% debugging
19:57:03 <diogenese> I do a lot of thinking too.
19:57:07 <wilcal> LOL he was really really good at herding cats ( managing young engineers )
19:57:16 <simonnzg> Presentation is EVERYTHING... Dont' ya know.
19:57:37 <MrsB> It's true though even in our little world. It can take far longer to work out how to test something than it does to actually test it
19:57:41 <dvg> meeting is 99% talk and 1% decision
19:57:47 <Kernewes> MrsB: that's true
19:57:54 <MrsB> it's bonding dvg
19:57:59 <Kernewes> lol
19:58:03 <dvg> as well, yes
19:58:31 <MrsB> Let's assume we've tackled owncloud now then. Are there any others that cause problems for anybody?
19:58:34 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: $ psql -Uowncloud -downcloud ; psql (9.3.4) ; Type "help" for help. ; owncloud=>  \conninfo; You are connected to database "owncloud" as user "owncloud" via socket in "/var/run/postgresql" at port "5432".
19:59:05 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:59:07 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:59:39 <MrsB> Latte is looking at the ruby updates
19:59:40 <diogenese> lewyssmith: Using postgresql cli, \h is very helpful.
19:59:47 <lewyssmith> I did.
19:59:47 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: ok, need to learn how to use postgres - I prefer Maria/MySQL
20:00:07 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Looks vaguely similar
20:00:11 <Latte> MrsB: puuh
20:00:19 <Latte> not very successful right now
20:00:24 <diogenese> simonnzg: Me too, use that for all my backends when possible.
20:00:32 <lewyssmith> There was a Postgresql specific bug recently, which is why I installed it to try.
20:01:01 <simonnzg> diogenese: Owncloud uses SQLite as the default backend. It's basically foolproof using that, so I usually do...
20:01:16 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: So. You found it? ;-)
20:01:30 <lewyssmith> I might give up & go SQLite.
20:01:32 <diogenese> simonnzg: Makes sense. Haven't played with owncloud yet.
20:01:50 <MrsB> it's normally one of the easiest webapps
20:02:22 <MrsB> postgresql is a pain though
20:02:38 <simonnzg> MrsB: Agreed.
20:02:49 <lewyssmith> This is unkind.
20:03:17 <MrsB> which bit?
20:03:51 <lewyssmith> Slanging Postgresql.
20:03:53 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: It's lovely, if you have previously used Informix, or Oracle, but it's a bit *complex* where it doesn't really have to be, I suppose. From an old Informix user's point of view..
20:04:09 <MrsB> ohh, well it is. It's probably very good, but it's still a pain
20:04:24 <lewyssmith> I worked for ICL where Informix was the Unix standard...
20:04:44 <lewyssmith> for their own mainframes they chose Ingres as best...
20:04:46 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I sort-of drifted towards MySQL, but I'm still only tinkering with it. I have forgotten most of my SQL a long time ago and never get anywhere nowadays without having to read it up.
20:04:56 <lewyssmith> Whgence came Postgresql, I think.
20:05:17 <MrsB> if you're doing postgres from cli remember to su - postgres first
20:05:26 <wilcal> I'm a DBIII expert
20:05:42 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Did not know that.
20:06:03 <simonnzg> lewyssmith:  I still have one old SunOS box with Informix on it. Every now and again I have to extract stuff from the database via the CLI. It's painful.
20:06:36 <lewyssmith> I think this horse is dead!
20:06:36 <MrsB> Let's wrap up then
20:06:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:06:51 <wilcal> Not from me just one thing after
20:06:56 <MrsB> ok
20:06:59 <Kernewes> not here
20:07:00 <simonnzg> MrsB: No. I'm going to play with Owncloud and see what went wrong.
20:07:10 <MrsB> good stuff
20:07:12 <lewyssmith> Finished.
20:07:18 <MrsB> Ozky: ok?
20:07:21 <Kernewes> bedtime for me
20:07:24 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I'll let you know how I got on.
20:07:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks for all your help.
20:07:38 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: np
20:07:45 <Ozky> Ok
20:07:53 <MrsB> you ca put it on the bug report simonnzg please https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712
20:07:54 <[mbot> Bug 13712: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , owncloud new security issue fixed upstream in 5.0.17 and 6.0.4, owncloud-6.0.3-1.mga4.src.rpm
20:08:04 <simonnzg> MrsB: Will do
20:08:05 <diogenese> <lurking mode="active">
20:08:15 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:08:26 * simonnzg goes back to hiding under his desk
20:08:26 <MrsB> #info Get well soon tmb
20:08:30 <MrsB> 4
20:08:31 <MrsB> 3
20:08:36 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody
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20:08:42 <MrsB> #endmeeting