19:07:00 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:07:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jul 10 19:07:00 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:07:00 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:07:09 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:07:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 19:07:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's New? - If you are new to the team come and say hello 19:07:35 <MrsB> Is anybody new today? 19:07:45 <simonnzg> I'm sort-of new... 19:07:59 <MrsB> we can go with that if you like 19:08:09 <DavidWHodgins> simonnzg: Welcome to the qa team! 19:08:28 <MrsB> simonnzg: introduce yourself to everybody and everybody introduce yourself to simonnzg 19:08:41 <MrsB> well done on your first tests today 19:08:42 <Kernewes> simonnzg: you know me from the Doc team 19:08:45 * simonnzg waves 19:09:02 <diogenese> \o back 19:09:13 <wilcal> Where from? 19:09:16 <DavidWHodgins> simonnzg: I'm Dave Hodgins from London Ontario Canada. 19:09:28 <MrsB> I'm Claire from the UK, feeling distictly middle aged today 19:09:41 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 19:09:42 <simonnzg> I've been on the doc team since MGA1, been using Linux/Unix since about 1979. Distincly getting on a bit. 19:09:44 <diogenese> William Murphy from Weaverville, California 19:09:48 <dvg> Dick from Holland, probably youngest here 19:09:50 <Kernewes> MrsB: you ain't seen nothing yet :( 19:10:06 <simonnzg> Shall we start counting wrinkles? ;-) 19:10:12 <Ozky> I'am Otto and from finland 19:10:14 <MrsB> :( 19:10:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'm 53 years old, but feel more like 80. 19:10:20 <Kernewes> I'm counting grey hairs and starting to lose count 19:10:22 <lewyssmith> Lewis from France. 19:10:28 <diogenese> 57 here 19:10:33 <MrsB> I think most of us know simonnzg already but this is good for anybody who doesn't, and the other way around too :) 19:10:38 <simonnzg> You beat me! 54 19:10:44 <Kernewes> 51 nearly 52 19:10:53 <DavidWHodgins> My hair started going white when I was 23. 19:10:54 <diogenese> Wait... Only 56... for a month or so. 19:10:55 <MrsB> well you lot are all way past middle age 19:11:07 <dvg> not me 19:11:08 <Kernewes> MrsB: you can go off people 19:11:10 <simonnzg> DavidWHodgins: My hair had run away before it went white 19:11:32 <wilcal> Dio your next to the Shasta-Trinity National Forest 19:11:33 <simonnzg> dvg: don't tell me you're NOT over 50???!?! 19:11:44 <Ozky> I'am not even near 50 yet but today 30 19:11:45 <dvg> no i'm not 19:11:46 <diogenese> wilcal: I'm in it. 19:11:56 <simonnzg> Ozky: Happy Birthday! 19:12:01 <dvg> can't remember last time i looked 19:12:06 <Ozky> Thx 19:12:13 <DavidWHodgins> My hairline has receded at least 5 cm, and is really thinning on top. 19:12:14 <Kernewes> Ozky: happy birthday 19:12:27 <wilcal> Wow 19:12:33 <lewyssmith> Ozky: Bonne anniversaire. 19:12:38 <dvg> happy returns 19:12:46 <DavidWHodgins> Ozky: Happy birthday! 19:12:48 <MrsB> Yes hope you had a good day Ozky :) 19:12:49 <Ozky> Now i'am in man age :) 19:12:58 <lewyssmith> Ozky: Penblwydd hapus. 19:13:05 <simonnzg> Ozky: Down-hill all the way from now on. 19:13:23 <Ozky> :) 19:13:25 <dvg> lewyssmith: no name calling please ;) 19:13:37 <simonnzg> This is going to look great in the minutes... 19:13:38 <wilcal> I gave up on growing hair on top of my head years ago 19:13:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:13:54 <diogenese> I'm glad it's gone :) 19:14:02 <diogenese> I don't need a comb 19:14:10 <MrsB> welcome to the retirement home 19:14:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'm tempted to shave off what's left. 19:14:22 <Kernewes> we'll be QA testing hair restorers soon 19:14:27 <simonnzg> diogenese: As I grow older I get this urge to get a Mohecan, but I can't. :-( 19:14:28 <MrsB> :D 19:14:47 <MrsB> Let's move on then shall we 19:14:52 <diogenese> :) 19:14:57 <Kernewes> yes, this is getting depressing 19:15:02 <MrsB> innit 19:15:03 <dvg> :) 19:15:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Alpha 1 The Aftermath - How did we do? 19:15:30 <MrsB> thanks dave ! 19:15:47 <dvg> i was not too pleased with the pad 19:15:52 <MrsB> So guys, how did we do? If it was your first time particularly, how did you find it? 19:15:54 <dvg> had to load it again and again 19:16:09 <lewyssmith> Alas, I was too pressed to get stuck in. Sorry. 19:16:18 <MrsB> #info maybe find a new pad service next time 19:16:18 <Kernewes> I wish you could keep the same colour every time you go onto the pad 19:16:30 <dvg> true 19:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> I had several power failures over the last few days due to thunderstorms, so couldn't test much. 19:16:52 <MrsB> you do usually, Kernewes. You maybe change ip or clear cookies or something if not 19:17:01 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: It is difficult choosing a match from last time. 19:17:10 <wilcal> I think the pad is just what it is a place to put your experiences with testing it's not meant to be absolute 19:17:17 <wilcal> sometimes I just put thoughts there 19:17:24 <Kernewes> we still have to report major stuff on Bugzilla 19:17:28 <wilcal> I experienced this or that 19:17:38 <dvg> yes i also added a remark that bugs should not refer to the pad, as it is not constant 19:17:38 <Kernewes> it's good for jotting down general impressions 19:17:39 <MrsB> yeah, it fills both purposes really 19:17:48 <wilcal> Yes, bug are bugs but funky things get put into the pad 19:17:49 <MrsB> it's important to create bugs though 19:17:55 <MrsB> yeah 19:18:08 <MrsB> #info <wilcal> Yes, bug are bugs but funky things get put into the pad 19:18:13 <lewyssmith> Only way to get *anything* changed. 19:18:13 <MrsB> like that line :) 19:18:49 <wilcal> I typically put something I just found in the pad then work it some more till I'm sure I found something then create the bug 19:19:12 <MrsB> that's a good way to do it, it pays to have more info when you create the bug report. Logs etc 19:19:13 <simonnzg> I do that and get MrsB telling me off for breaking things.. ;-) 19:19:23 <Kernewes> it's handy if someone's already noted something on the pad so you know it's not just you 19:19:32 <Kernewes> quicker than searching Bugzilla 19:19:35 <MrsB> never tell you off for breaking things, we're here to break things! 19:19:36 <wilcal> Put it in the pad, sleep on it, try it again and if it's still a problem create the bug 19:19:55 <simonnzg> MrsB: :D 19:20:03 <wilcal> pad is especially good if other people kinda have the same problem 19:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> The developers/packagers generally don't follow the pad, so bug reports are more important then the pad. The pad is mainly for qa members to know if a bug has already been reported. 19:20:12 <simonnzg> wilcal: That's right 19:20:18 <wilcal> I break things all the time big time 19:20:22 <MrsB> exactly Dave 19:20:23 <Kernewes> me too 19:20:43 * simonnzg tends to find a problem and then hits DuckDuck or Google... 19:20:43 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:20:44 <wilcal> FWI I use VirtualBox extensively because I break things all the time 19:21:01 <MrsB> good a reason as any 19:21:14 <simonnzg> wilcal: Good idea. I'm still smarting from Mandrake eating my only CD-ROM drive... 19:21:35 <Kernewes> I didn't get to do much pre-release testing and what I did try didn't boot 19:21:44 <Kernewes> but I'm having a go now post-release 19:21:47 <lewyssmith> Mag4 messed a hard drive for me. 19:21:50 <Kernewes> seems pretty good 19:21:54 <wilcal> Maybe some sharing of how we test would be of some worth to the new people 19:21:57 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I use an ssd drive for my main system, but have a 1TB drive with multiple installations on it. 19:22:15 <wilcal> So you use multiple partitions 19:22:24 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:22:27 <lewyssmith> Have to, Bill. 19:22:28 <Kernewes> I use multiple partitions 19:22:28 <MrsB> me too 19:22:32 <dvg> mostly use a laptop next to my desktop 19:22:48 <wilcal> All my testing platforms have removable replaceable hard drive modules 19:22:48 <Ozky> I have too ssd but my usb hard drive broked so i needed to install my test installs to 32gigas usb stick 19:23:09 <wilcal> I've got about a dozen HD's dedecated to just testing 19:23:26 <DavidWHodgins> I always install grub to the root partition, and use gag to choose which partition to boot from 19:23:44 <wilcal> The primary test drive also has a VirtualBox install and that where I do most of my testing 19:23:50 <Kernewes> I've got a removable USB hard drive but I tend to use it for backups more than testing 19:24:12 <wilcal> Vbox has really gotten to be very good on M4 19:24:23 <diogenese> It's impressive. 19:24:25 <simonnzg> I have a modern PC I use for testing and an old clunker for my day-to-day work. 19:24:26 <Ozky> Yes and they are so slow if not having usb 3 disk 19:24:30 <wilcal> So it's a good platform to start tesing with 19:24:42 <MrsB> morning RemyServices 19:24:52 <RemyServices> morning, sorry for being late 19:24:55 <wilcal> So if you completely blow up an install it's no big deal 19:24:58 <diogenese> Back from the ages :) 19:25:00 <wilcal> Hello Remy 19:25:03 <MrsB> it's ok, you've been here for Ages ;) 19:25:07 <Kernewes> hello Remy 19:25:33 <MrsB> I dual boot mine when ISo testing 19:25:47 <DavidWHodgins> For testing under vb, see bug 44 and add "divider=10" to the kernel options. 19:25:48 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), mageia-gfxboot-theme / drakx-installer-images 19:26:10 <wilcal> Vbox does not work everywhere all the time but it works most of the time 19:26:28 <wilcal> Ideal platform is i5/i7 and 8GB of DRAM 19:26:38 <MrsB> :D 19:26:44 * MrsB far from ideal 19:26:56 <Kernewes> I've never had as much as 8GB DRAM 19:27:08 <dvg> never elss than 12 19:27:12 <dvg> less 19:27:14 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Seems to depend on what graphics card you have. 19:27:22 <wilcal> My primary platform is my VIdeo Editor fullup i7 w/16GB and nvidia 19:27:40 <wilcal> I've run as many as 5 Vbox clients at the same time 19:27:43 <Luigi12_work> I think the bug 44 / divider=10 thing only applies if the VM is using the desktop kernel 19:27:51 <Luigi12_work> the server kernel already has HZ=100 19:28:31 <MrsB> it's particularly if your cpu doesn't have VTx or whatever it's called 19:28:49 <MrsB> the VM harddware acceleration 19:29:01 <DavidWHodgins> I've had as many as 7 vb guests running, with 16GB ram, but only (with caching) 10GB used 19:29:12 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Correct 19:29:57 <MrsB> So we did OK then, apart from difficulties with the pad? 19:30:10 <wilcal> I think we did outstanding 19:30:11 <Kernewes> Yes, I think you did 19:30:11 <MrsB> everybody understand the process? 19:30:24 <DavidWHodgins> Any install I do under vb (or xen, or qem) , I always switch to the server kernel. 19:30:30 <wilcal> If you think you saw something throw it up on the pad 19:31:10 <MrsB> there's maybe a better way to do it but we haven't found it yet if there is 19:31:41 <MrsB> Shall we move on then 19:31:52 <wilcal> Best on the pad is when someone posts something funky and someone else sees the same funky 19:32:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup - The weekly security roundup 19:32:07 <MrsB> missed on 19:32:08 <MrsB> e 19:32:14 <Luigi12_work> yeah 19:32:23 <wilcal> have a seat Luigi 19:32:26 <MrsB> we can do it this way if you like tho 19:32:32 <Luigi12_work> might as well 19:32:40 <wilcal> Luigi is always ready 19:32:43 <MrsB> over to you then Luigi12_work 19:32:56 <Luigi12_work> I'm hoping to work on pidgin and vlc updates this weekend 19:33:03 <Luigi12_work> other than that, nothing new since last week 19:33:13 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on other packagers for older ones 19:33:15 <MrsB> wow really? 19:33:19 <MrsB> quiet week 19:33:23 <wilcal> Security bugs count is down and nothing too critical? 19:33:23 <Luigi12_work> yeah it's been a SLOW week 19:33:27 <MrsB> \o/ 19:33:32 <Luigi12_work> everyone's at the beach I guess 19:33:32 <wilcal> Good thing to take a breather 19:33:42 <diogenese> Surely there's another mediawiki update out soon... 19:33:48 <Luigi12_work> oh colin is working on a mythtv update 19:33:51 <MrsB> #info It's a slow week for security updates! 19:33:53 <Luigi12_work> diogenese: lol I hope not 19:33:53 <wilcal> Gave me a chance to tinker with ssh-genkey 19:34:02 <diogenese> :) 19:34:07 <MrsB> keygen 19:34:20 <wilcal> ssh-keygen :-0 19:34:40 <MrsB> #info updates coming soon-ish for mythtv, vlc & pidgin 19:34:53 <Luigi12_work> avidemux got assigned back to QA just before the meeting 19:35:02 <lewyssmith> What is it? 19:35:06 <Luigi12_work> I'm pretty sure the other packages built from the avidemux source just link to the ffmpeg in the main one 19:35:12 <wilcal> The ole mythtv thing requires a TV board right? 19:35:24 <MrsB> #info today we have avidemux 19:35:37 <MrsB> this is looking liek your territory wilcal 19:35:50 <MrsB> avidemux is a video editor 19:35:56 <lewyssmith> Thanks. 19:35:57 <wilcal> Yep ready to rock and roll on those multimedia apps 19:36:03 <MrsB> similar to virtualdub in windows 19:36:07 <Luigi12_work> owncloud really sucks at getting their security advisories out in a timely manner 19:36:09 <wilcal> I briefly looked at it 19:36:16 <Ozky> It's converter too 19:36:20 <MrsB> yeah 19:36:35 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I'm on my way there. 19:36:44 <wilcal> I use command line ffmeg for conversions 19:36:47 <MrsB> if it's still there i'll tackle owncloud tomorrow 19:36:50 <wilcal> ffmpeg 19:36:58 <diogenese> Handy tool :) 19:37:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Question at end. 19:37:12 <MrsB> ok 19:37:24 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have 19:37:29 <lewyssmith> Great! 19:37:32 <diogenese> Thanks Luigi12_work :) 19:37:37 <MrsB> yeah tyvm 19:37:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything Else? 19:38:02 <MrsB> make the most of the quiet week then guys, lets bring the list down to zero! 19:38:13 <Kernewes> if you need a break between testing, try out sgt-puzzles from Mga5 19:38:18 <Kernewes> I suggested it :0 19:38:20 <MrsB> we missed a topic dave 19:38:42 <MrsB> Does anybody have anything to ask about updates? 19:38:42 <wilcal> I've a new question about ssh-keygen after the meeting 19:38:56 <Kernewes> MrsB: no 19:39:03 <Luigi12_work> doesn't look like there's many updates to test right now :o) 19:39:14 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: they're doing really well, aren't they? 19:39:21 <MrsB> There is a fairly easy one, php-ZendFramework. Procedure is there on the bug 19:39:23 <wilcal> The calm before the storm or everyone is on Holiday 19:39:35 <DavidWHodgins> I have to go back to sleep, so bye for now. 19:39:40 <Luigi12_work> good night 19:39:42 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: bye Dave 19:39:44 <MrsB> Nite Dave, thanks for coming! 19:39:47 <wilcal> Bye David hope to see you next week 19:39:48 <diogenese> Take goo care Dave ;) 19:39:54 <diogenese> +d 19:40:04 <wilcal> I've a comment for new people testing and posting in Bugs 19:40:05 <Ozky> Need to learn at weekend how to validate those updates next step to me 19:40:24 <MrsB> yes, please do Ozky. It's the main part of the work we do 19:40:39 <Kernewes> Ozky: it's scary at first but you'll get used to it 19:40:49 <MrsB> always seem to have difficulty getting people involved in that side too 19:41:35 <MrsB> Everybody else clear about how to test them? 19:41:43 <lewyssmith> Re PostgreSQL & Owncloud... 19:42:07 <lewyssmith> I am trying to set up Owncloud to use Postgresql... 19:42:14 <MrsB> ok 19:42:20 <wilcal> My comment is try to explain how you tested. Don't just say "Testing OK" tells us a little, or a lot, how you tested 19:42:51 <wilcal> Hold a sec on owncloud 19:43:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12889 19:43:35 <[mbot> Bug 12889: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, owncloud new security issues fixed upstream in 5.0.15 and 6.0.2, owncloud-6.0.0-1.mga4.src.rpm 19:43:46 <lewyssmith> I followed Owncloud's instructions to set up a Postgresql user & database before setting Owncloud up; called everything owncloud.... 19:43:51 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13274 19:43:52 <[mbot> Bug 13274: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, owncloud new security issues fixed upstream in 5.0.16 and 6.0.3, owncloud-6.0.2-1.mga5.src.rpm 19:44:11 <wilcal> I put my testing steps in both those bugs 19:44:29 <lewyssmith> But Owncloud setup wants a *database* password which does not exist. 19:44:34 <wilcal> owncloud was a little confusing at first 19:44:46 <lewyssmith> So what do I do? 19:44:54 <wilcal> Maybe that should be a seperate bug from a standard update 19:45:03 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Database user and password? 19:45:19 <diogenese> For postgresql you need to set up a role. 19:45:20 <MrsB> when you create a database in either mysql (mariadb) or postgresql you create a database a database user and a user password 19:45:36 <lewyssmith> Yes. The databse has the user assigned, who has his password. 19:45:39 <simonnzg> That user is used by the application (OwnCLoud) to talk to the database. 19:45:58 <simonnzg> It's not an OwnCloud user. 19:46:25 <lewyssmith> The setup screen wants a *database* password, which did not enter anywhere. 19:46:31 <wilcal> Have we somewhere easy steps to set up a mysql (mariadb) with user and PW that we can use over and over 19:46:46 <MrsB> yeah it just means the database and credentials to use to access it 19:47:07 <wilcal> name of DB, user and PW 19:47:08 <MrsB> the databse itself doesn't have the password but the user who has access to it does 19:47:14 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: I understand that. 19:47:15 <MrsB> database user i mean 19:47:30 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: If you use the SQLite database, it's all done automagically, otehrwise, you have to set up an empty database with a user and a password, then tell Owncloud that information. It then logs onto the empty database and builds all it's tables, etc. 19:47:38 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Owncloud setup is asking for a databse password. Don't know why. 19:47:53 <wilcal> would you say SQLite is easier to use 19:47:58 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: Have doen all that. 19:48:02 <MrsB> yeah it's commonly seen that way lewis. It just means the password for the database user 19:48:45 <MrsB> a database has 3 pieces of info, the database name the user who accesses that databse and the password 19:48:53 <lewyssmith> Well, it is being bounced. When I access the databse directly from command line with the user, it conects - but does not ask for the user password. 19:48:53 <Kernewes> can you set up owncloud on localhost? 19:48:57 <simonnzg> MrsB: Sometimes, it's best to use the name and password of the main database admin, not a particular user. Once you're sure it all works, add the database user and edit the config files. 19:48:58 <lewyssmith> Yes. 19:49:00 <MrsB> yes Kernewes 19:49:20 * Kernewes will try that sometime 19:49:33 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Maybe you haven't set a password for that user? 19:49:41 <lewyssmith> I did. 19:49:45 <MrsB> owncloud makes it easy to enter stuff liek that simonnzg 19:49:52 <Kernewes> if you've got a database for Mediawiki, can you use the same database user and password for Owncloud? 19:49:54 <simonnzg> MrsB: Yes, I use it. 19:50:06 <MrsB> cool, well it's in need of testing \o/ 19:50:13 <simonnzg> It's the main calendaring engine for my company. 19:50:31 <simonnzg> MrsB: I use Ubun*u... ;-) 19:50:41 <MrsB> everywhere? 19:51:02 <simonnzg> MrsB: My whole server "room" is full of Ubuntu 14.04 19:51:18 <MrsB> ohh yeah, don't test things in there, you'd not be very popular if you broke it 19:52:05 <diogenese> Kernewes: Would have to grant privileges for the owncloud database for that use, yes you should be able to do that 19:52:15 <Kernewes> diogenese: thanks 19:52:16 <diogenese> *user 19:52:58 <Ozky> Oh yes ubuntu is cancer in linux world 19:53:27 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I'll install OwnCloud on my MGA4 box and try to make it talk to postgresql... Let's see what the problem is. 19:53:47 <MrsB> great :) 19:53:50 <simonnzg> Ozky: Makes great servers. Once you switch off all the "Smarts" 19:54:08 <wilcal> Please document what you find carefully so someone testing after you can duplicate what you did 19:54:22 <wilcal> An easy proceedure for testing owncloud 19:54:23 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: I used 'ownclud' for everything: dtabase name, username, user password, databse owner. 19:54:32 <simonnzg> wilcal: Documentation I can do.. Testing is harder. :) 19:54:42 <MrsB> that's usually the way i do it too lewis 19:54:46 <Kernewes> simonnzg: +1 19:54:50 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: OK, I'll try to do the same 19:55:06 <lewyssmith> I will try from the beginning again. 19:55:32 <MrsB> you can manage postgresql through webmin if you don't like doing it on cli 19:55:57 <lewyssmith> It's SQL - given specifically by Owncloud. 19:55:58 <wilcal> Once had an Engineering Mgr tell me Engineering is 90% planning 10% testing 19:56:35 <MrsB> did you sack him? 19:56:41 <Kernewes> wilcal: I seem to recall reading that coding is 10% writing and 90% debugging 19:57:03 <diogenese> I do a lot of thinking too. 19:57:07 <wilcal> LOL he was really really good at herding cats ( managing young engineers ) 19:57:16 <simonnzg> Presentation is EVERYTHING... Dont' ya know. 19:57:37 <MrsB> It's true though even in our little world. It can take far longer to work out how to test something than it does to actually test it 19:57:41 <dvg> meeting is 99% talk and 1% decision 19:57:47 <Kernewes> MrsB: that's true 19:57:54 <MrsB> it's bonding dvg 19:57:59 <Kernewes> lol 19:58:03 <dvg> as well, yes 19:58:31 <MrsB> Let's assume we've tackled owncloud now then. Are there any others that cause problems for anybody? 19:58:34 <lewyssmith> simonnzg: $ psql -Uowncloud -downcloud ; psql (9.3.4) ; Type "help" for help. ; owncloud=> \conninfo; You are connected to database "owncloud" as user "owncloud" via socket in "/var/run/postgresql" at port "5432". 19:59:05 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 19:59:07 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:59:39 <MrsB> Latte is looking at the ruby updates 19:59:40 <diogenese> lewyssmith: Using postgresql cli, \h is very helpful. 19:59:47 <lewyssmith> I did. 19:59:47 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: ok, need to learn how to use postgres - I prefer Maria/MySQL 20:00:07 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: Looks vaguely similar 20:00:11 <Latte> MrsB: puuh 20:00:19 <Latte> not very successful right now 20:00:24 <diogenese> simonnzg: Me too, use that for all my backends when possible. 20:00:32 <lewyssmith> There was a Postgresql specific bug recently, which is why I installed it to try. 20:01:01 <simonnzg> diogenese: Owncloud uses SQLite as the default backend. It's basically foolproof using that, so I usually do... 20:01:16 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: So. You found it? ;-) 20:01:30 <lewyssmith> I might give up & go SQLite. 20:01:32 <diogenese> simonnzg: Makes sense. Haven't played with owncloud yet. 20:01:50 <MrsB> it's normally one of the easiest webapps 20:02:22 <MrsB> postgresql is a pain though 20:02:38 <simonnzg> MrsB: Agreed. 20:02:49 <lewyssmith> This is unkind. 20:03:17 <MrsB> which bit? 20:03:51 <lewyssmith> Slanging Postgresql. 20:03:53 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: It's lovely, if you have previously used Informix, or Oracle, but it's a bit *complex* where it doesn't really have to be, I suppose. From an old Informix user's point of view.. 20:04:09 <MrsB> ohh, well it is. It's probably very good, but it's still a pain 20:04:24 <lewyssmith> I worked for ICL where Informix was the Unix standard... 20:04:44 <lewyssmith> for their own mainframes they chose Ingres as best... 20:04:46 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I sort-of drifted towards MySQL, but I'm still only tinkering with it. I have forgotten most of my SQL a long time ago and never get anywhere nowadays without having to read it up. 20:04:56 <lewyssmith> Whgence came Postgresql, I think. 20:05:17 <MrsB> if you're doing postgres from cli remember to su - postgres first 20:05:26 <wilcal> I'm a DBIII expert 20:05:42 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Did not know that. 20:06:03 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I still have one old SunOS box with Informix on it. Every now and again I have to extract stuff from the database via the CLI. It's painful. 20:06:36 <lewyssmith> I think this horse is dead! 20:06:36 <MrsB> Let's wrap up then 20:06:42 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:06:51 <wilcal> Not from me just one thing after 20:06:56 <MrsB> ok 20:06:59 <Kernewes> not here 20:07:00 <simonnzg> MrsB: No. I'm going to play with Owncloud and see what went wrong. 20:07:10 <MrsB> good stuff 20:07:12 <lewyssmith> Finished. 20:07:18 <MrsB> Ozky: ok? 20:07:21 <Kernewes> bedtime for me 20:07:24 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: I'll let you know how I got on. 20:07:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks for all your help. 20:07:38 <simonnzg> lewyssmith: np 20:07:45 <Ozky> Ok 20:07:53 <MrsB> you ca put it on the bug report simonnzg please https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712 20:07:54 <[mbot> Bug 13712: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , owncloud new security issue fixed upstream in 5.0.17 and 6.0.4, owncloud-6.0.3-1.mga4.src.rpm 20:08:04 <simonnzg> MrsB: Will do 20:08:05 <diogenese> <lurking mode="active"> 20:08:15 <MrsB> T - 5 then 20:08:26 * simonnzg goes back to hiding under his desk 20:08:26 <MrsB> #info Get well soon tmb 20:08:30 <MrsB> 4 20:08:31 <MrsB> 3 20:08:36 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody 20:08:38 <MrsB> 2 20:08:39 <MrsB> 1 20:08:42 <MrsB> #endmeeting