19:07:16 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:07:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jul 3 19:07:16 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:07:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:07:17 <Kernewes> who would notice on here? 19:07:28 <MrsB> Morning schultz 19:07:29 <wilcal> Morn'n schultz 19:07:39 <MrsB> Morning everybody, welcome to another QA meeting 19:07:44 <schultz> why is it about being noticed? 19:07:46 <MrsB> #chair wilcal 19:07:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal 19:08:13 <Kernewes> schultz: MrsB's trying to lose weight 19:08:28 <lewyssmith> Tea is never in question for that. 19:08:30 <MrsB> don't put that in the minutes! :P 19:08:45 <MrsB> #topic Who's new? 19:08:57 <schultz> sorry MrsB 19:09:02 <Kernewes> sorry MrsB 19:09:06 <MrsB> Is there anybody who hasn't been to one of these meetings before? 19:09:09 <frames_> I'm new! 19:09:13 <Kernewes> hooray 19:09:18 <lewyssmith> Well done! 19:09:18 <MrsB> \o/ 19:09:18 <frames_> First time caller, long time listener :) 19:09:23 <rene91> Yes, first meeting for me 19:09:30 <MrsB> \o/ again 19:09:31 <Ozky> Me 19:09:36 <MrsB> \o/ and again 19:09:41 <lewyssmith> Welcome all. 19:09:59 <schultz> I must have been, but not actually certain 19:10:00 <lewyssmith> We badly need new blod. 19:10:08 <lewyssmith> blood. 19:10:23 <MrsB> We usually make some introductions when new people join the team 19:10:48 <MrsB> if you say a a bit about yourself the others wil do the same, just a line is all 19:11:00 <MrsB> I'm Claire, based in the UK, currently team leader 19:11:04 <MrsB> 40 something 19:11:26 <frames_> I'm Mark based in the US - IT guy with some spare time on his hands 19:11:30 <Kernewes> Carolyn from Cornwall, UK, occasional helper, wrong side of 50 19:11:48 <frames_> i feel young, 20-something here :) 19:11:48 <lewyssmith> I am Lewis, Celtic expat in France, the b�te noire of the group. 19:11:56 <MrsB> lol 19:12:11 <rene91> Ok ... I am 61, yong retired worked in computer business for 30 years including 10 years in QA with Canal+/NAGRA 19:12:13 <lewyssmith> frames_: You *are*. 19:12:25 <dvg> Dick from NL, 13 years Linux, but younger than the others, 19:12:41 <MrsB> hmm 19:12:43 <lewyssmith> So am I! 19:12:46 <schultz> if it helps, I make up the less useful half of the Edinburgh contributors to Mageia, and am also in my 20's 19:13:05 <wilcal> "wilcal" for William in California, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 19:13:06 <Ozky> I am otto and coming from finland almost 30 years old and used linux from mandriva 2008.1 so long time user 19:13:28 <wilcal> Mandriva/Mandrake users are very welcome here as is everyone 19:13:35 <MrsB> can I be 20 something? 19:13:48 <frames_> absolutely, its the internet :) 19:13:58 <MrsB> today is a good day :) 19:14:01 <lewyssmith> 20+ where + is ??? 19:14:04 <wilcal> HHmmmmmm my first official college computer course Sept 64 what does that make me :-0 19:14:05 <diogenese> :) 19:14:07 <rene91> A woman is always 20 ... ish 19:14:10 <Ozky> I don't have mandriva right now installed moved to mageia when it was close to go down 19:14:11 <MrsB> ahh like that idea lewis 19:14:16 <JC_Stiegler> I'am Jean-Claude, France Béziers 19:14:30 <wilcal> Lots of new people nice 19:14:35 <Kernewes> great 19:14:36 <lewyssmith> Another new name. 19:14:39 <MrsB> Welcome everybody 19:14:45 <Kernewes> yes, welcome 19:14:56 <wilcal> New people how did you hear about Mageia QA? 19:15:01 <MrsB> If at any point you want to ask something please just do so 19:15:24 <Kernewes> I can guarantee you'll never ask anything more stupid than what I ask 19:15:28 <MrsB> you can see we're quite informal here and like to have a bit of fun 19:15:49 <frames_> Heard about QA after exploring wiki looking for install info re/UEFI :) 19:16:18 <MrsB> have you all had a chance to take a look at our wiki pages? 19:16:19 <frames_> found tmb's post and went down the rabbit hole, found QA list, and joined up 19:16:19 <lewyssmith> Join the �lite. 19:16:27 <rene91> Heard about QA after introducing myself on Mageia forum 19:16:48 <MrsB> thankyou isadora :) 19:16:48 <Akien> I'm Rémi, part time QA member ;-) 19:16:52 <wilcal> Many thanks for rene on finding out about us on the Forum 19:16:53 <dvg> Sorry, I am not elite 19:17:01 <wilcal> we are all elite's 19:17:17 <lewyssmith> I meant that for frames_ . 19:17:22 <MrsB> we're do'ers 19:17:30 <wilcal> get to see it all 19:17:35 <wilcal> the good and the bad 19:17:49 <MrsB> so how have you been getting on, is there anything immediate which is completely baffling? 19:17:52 <frames_> haha, don't know if i can be �lite (not french), but definitely elite. 19:18:52 <frames_> well so far - only had time to run the first set of alpha ISOs - impressed that they worked so well actually 19:19:09 <wilcal> Did you try KDE or GNome 19:19:18 <lewyssmith> frames_: You got further than many... 19:19:25 <frames_> KDE 64 and 32 19:19:36 <frames_> pure UEFI w/ CSM disabled 19:19:43 <Kernewes> frames_: you obviously haven't got Nvidia 19:19:47 <frames_> on a haswell machine 19:19:52 <lewyssmith> CSM = ? 19:20:11 <Ozky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface 19:20:28 <wilcal> M5 KDE on a generic platform would work pretty good right now 19:20:35 <frames_> Compatibility Support Module - basically provides legacy bios 19:20:43 <MrsB> bios mode 19:21:04 <lewyssmith> I thought so; never went near it. It's cheating. 19:21:17 <frames_> haven't tried it on my nvidia machine though - heard horror stories on the QA list 19:21:58 <MrsB> you've managed to follow how we do things though ok, our procedures? 19:22:24 <rene91> I have a question about QA policies regarding "upstream" software like KDE 19:22:37 <wilcal> go for it 19:23:57 <rene91> I found a bug (really low priority) in systemstettings Date & Time; because the package is tagged mga5 I reported it to mageia bug ... 19:24:26 <rene91> I have been told i had to report to KDE instead. 19:24:53 <Ozky> Yes if it's upstream bug 19:24:55 <dvg> not instead but in addition 19:24:59 <lewyssmith> Interesting. First time I have seen that. 19:25:02 <MrsB> ok, sometimes that happens. It's best to create one on mageia bugzilla though anyway 19:25:03 <Luigi12_work> "because it was tagged mga5" was not what the report said. It said it didn't work because you have chrony instead of ntp 19:25:15 <dvg> its a bug in Mga but should be fixed in KDE 19:25:25 <Kernewes> I thought our bug squad would pass on the upstream ones to the relevant devs 19:25:33 <Luigi12_work> they don't have time for that 19:25:37 <MrsB> our bugsquad is mostly one person 19:25:43 <dvg> i think anyone can report a bug upstream if you can use bugzilla 19:26:27 <rene91> I am not a developper, so I cannot really dig in the code to tell who should be "blamed" 19:26:30 <Luigi12_work> KDE's bugzilla is easy to use, you shouldn't be put off from reporting a bug there 19:26:33 <Kernewes> do you have to set up a separate login for each one though? 19:26:51 <Luigi12_work> for KDE we use it straight from upstream. Even any patches come from upstream git. 19:26:59 <dvg> each "software house", yes 19:27:00 <Luigi12_work> so bugs in KDE software are never Mageia's fault :o) 19:27:05 <MrsB> yep, it's always best to create one on our bugzilla though and link to the upstream one, makes it easy for maintainers to keep track of it and anybody else with the same problem can easily find it and know it's an upstream issue 19:27:13 <dvg> that may be, depends on the situation 19:27:23 <rene91> So you think I shall open an account on any "upstream" bugzilla system ? 19:27:34 <dvg> if its a mga specific packaging bug, its not KDEs fault 19:27:34 <Luigi12_work> if a bug affects you and you care about it, yes 19:27:36 <rene91> I did report the bug to KDE anyway 19:27:43 <Luigi12_work> thanks 19:27:44 <Kernewes> that sounds like a lot of hassle, I have enough logins to keep track of already 19:27:56 <dvg> it is 2014 :) 19:28:08 <Kernewes> meaning ? 19:28:14 <MrsB> it's worth a search on the bugzilla at least to see if anybody else has already reported it 19:28:25 <Luigi12_work> well you can't expect others to do everything for you. That may sound cold, but Mageia is understaffed. People need to do what they can to help, otherwise it doesn't work 19:28:29 <dvg> its a way of the future 19:28:36 <wilcal> I've run into things in LibreOffice that are upstream 19:28:37 <Ozky> No more duplicates 19:29:04 * MrsB slaps Luigi12_work for scaring the new people 19:29:09 <dvg> often you may find that the bug is alreasdy reported upstream, so you link to that 19:29:29 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: As you are already with us, can you introduce yourself to the newcomers? 19:29:46 <Luigi12_work> don't want to scare anyone any more than I have to :o) 19:29:50 <MrsB> :) 19:30:23 <Ozky> You can't scare me 19:30:35 <rene91> My question is how do *I* know the bug is in KDE not in the way KDE is packaged in Mageia ? 19:30:54 <MrsB> you won't rene91, it's always best to start with a bug on mageia bugzilla 19:31:08 <Luigi12_work> rene91: you won't. It's great that you reported it to Mageia first. 19:31:21 <Luigi12_work> rene91: but someone responded and asked that you report upstream, so it's great that you did that as well 19:31:22 <dvg> if the person triaging the bug says so, it prolly is 19:31:25 <Luigi12_work> that's how it goes sometimes 19:31:31 <lewyssmith> rene91: Because "I have been told i had to report to KDE instead" 19:31:41 <lewyssmith> That is very rare. 19:31:47 <MrsB> yeah 19:31:57 <leuhmanu> Hello 19:32:01 <MrsB> morning leuhmanu 19:32:04 <leuhmanu> what is the bug you are speaking ? 19:32:12 <Kernewes> trouble is, if we're struggling to find time to help Mageia we haven't got time to help KDE and the others as well 19:32:33 <Luigi12_work> rene91: it's actually good that you reported to mageia, since I wasn't sure if what you clicked was KDE stuff or if it ran drakclock. I checked and confirmed it was KDE stuff. 19:32:47 <MrsB> leuhmanu is most of our bugsquad 19:32:53 <wilcal> There are no penalties here for dub bugs. Give a look around in Bugzilla before you 19:32:55 <wilcal> post and if you don't find anything create a new bug. Others will follow up to see 19:32:56 <wilcal> if it's new or a dup. 19:33:13 <leuhmanu> (helped with lot of nice people) 19:33:44 <rene91> Well ... I have other findings to report in systemsettings, so I will search KDE bugzilla and if not found, report to KDE, then to Mageia. Right ? 19:34:02 <wilcal> You feel really good when someone else dup's your bug :-)) 19:34:06 <MrsB> other way around usually rene91 19:34:29 <MrsB> start with a bug report on mageia bugzilla, the maintainer or bugsquad will be able to assist you further then 19:34:42 <MrsB> can you remember the bug number rene91? 19:34:51 <Luigi12_work> rene91: if they're KDE bugs you can report to KDE first 19:35:01 <Luigi12_work> rene91: then you can report to Mageia and include the KDE bug number 19:35:29 <Luigi12_work> ,bug 13668 19:35:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13668 minor, Normal, mageia, NEW , Date and Time system settings still based on ntp package, kdebase4-workspace-4.11.10-1.mga5 19:35:44 <lewyssmith> KDE related bugs I have found were dealt with wholly by Mageia. 19:35:48 <rene91> KDE bug 337012, Mageia bug 13668 19:35:49 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337012 minor, NOR, paul, UNCONFIRMED , Date & Time setup ignores chrony as NTP service 19:35:50 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13668 minor, Normal, mageia, NEW , Date and Time system settings still based on ntp package, kdebase4-workspace-4.11.10-1.mga5 19:36:07 <Luigi12_work> ooh cool, nice job [mbot :o) 19:36:16 <MrsB> great job rene91 19:36:59 <MrsB> does anybody want to ask anything about how things are done or about the meetings before we move on? 19:37:17 <wilcal> More new people? 19:37:25 <frames_> Does the Pad change for every new alpha ISO that's built? 19:37:53 <MrsB> we usually archive older comments yes, there is a link to the archive pad on the actual pad 19:38:04 <frames_> gotcha, thanks 19:38:08 <lewyssmith> But the URL remains constant. 19:38:12 <MrsB> remember to create bug reports for anything you find though please 19:39:04 <MrsB> Ok, let's move on to the ISos topic 19:39:10 <MrsB> #topic Alpha1 19:39:41 <MrsB> Is everybody managing to follow what is going on? 19:40:00 <lewyssmith> From the sideline at present... 19:40:13 <Kernewes> only dipped my toe in so far 19:40:20 <MrsB> yeah, sorry i still haven't written a proper reply for you lewis 19:40:28 <lewyssmith> Not now! 19:40:37 <wilcal> Put some time in here KDE looked mostly ok but Gnome crashed on start 19:40:53 <lewyssmith> Same old story. 19:41:09 <MrsB> that's likely due to the lack of 3d acceleration 19:41:27 <Ozky> I added now myself to iso testers list little bit late but not too late 19:41:29 <MrsB> the x11-driver-video-* packages thomas mentioned 19:41:44 <lewyssmith> Yes? 19:41:48 <wilcal> Reported one bug in KDE pulse volume control app 19:41:50 <MrsB> not too late at all Ozky I'll send you some email after the meeting 19:42:15 <wilcal> I got the new PW also 19:42:18 <Ozky> Ok 19:42:32 <Kernewes> is this password going to be the same for the whole release cycle? 19:42:45 <MrsB> #info when alpha1 has been validated and released please don't delete your ISOs, we will use them as a starting point to sync alpha2 with 19:42:53 <dvg> not if you send it to a mailing list 19:43:25 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: We are told of any change by e-mail. 19:43:33 <MrsB> it might change, depends how many people keep testing them 19:43:53 <wilcal> We are awaiting the next set of iso's right? 19:43:55 <Kernewes> I get the impression that they don't always change much 19:44:06 <MrsB> yes, I notice tmb just sent an email 19:44:14 <wilcal> ya, he still at work 19:44:34 <lewyssmith> Any news on the Calassics? 19:44:40 <MrsB> ennael may be able to release classical isos too, she's struggling with no internet connection though 19:44:48 <lewyssmith> Serious. 19:44:56 <Kernewes> I'm surprised my internet connection has lasted this long 19:45:03 <MrsB> currently away from home but the hotel has internet! 19:45:32 <wilcal> I had Internet at the baseball park yesterday :-)))))) 19:45:43 <MrsB> We need to train some other people to build isos really 19:45:48 <Kernewes> why would you need internet at a baseball match? 19:45:53 <lewyssmith> Were you there to watch a game, or what? 19:45:54 <dvg> so you could play remote ball :) 19:46:06 <wilcal> Post pics to my facebook page :-)) 19:46:16 <lewyssmith> Bill! 19:46:23 * MrsB shakes head 19:46:24 <Kernewes> wilcal: couldn't you wait until after the match? 19:46:33 <lewyssmith> Or never? 19:46:33 <wilcal> We won 19:46:52 <dvg> what is faceback ? 19:46:59 <Kernewes> won what, the rapid uploading to facebook championships? 19:47:02 <MrsB> So is everybody clea about how to go about testing the ISOs when they arrive? 19:47:06 <MrsB> clear* 19:47:08 <lewyssmith> dvg: Great! 19:47:16 <wilcal> Yep, next iso's probably by Sat 19:47:33 <frames_> i think i have a better understanding after seeing the first round's feedback on Pad 19:47:33 <wilcal> wipe slate clean and test again 19:47:34 <Kernewes> so is that round 3 or have I missed one? 19:47:50 <wilcal> FWIW for new people I always start testing in VirtualBox 19:48:06 <MrsB> Things usually start to become clearer when you actually do them, I'd encourage everybody to try the updates testing too. 19:48:11 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: To be round 3, I think. 19:48:17 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: fine 19:48:22 <Ozky> I allways test with real hardware 19:48:30 <lewyssmith> Me too. 19:48:31 <Kernewes> I usually do 19:48:38 <Kernewes> updates I might do with VB 19:48:46 <wilcal> If it works in Vbox I go on to boot from a USB iso 19:48:59 <Kernewes> I have separate partitions for testing 19:49:00 <wilcal> and always a blank hd 19:49:09 <MrsB> Don't be affraid to make a mistake, we've all done it. It's best to have a go at things and try and follow the procudures on the wiki while you do them. 19:49:14 <rene91> I have two test systems, one for 1st install one for upgrade ... 19:49:15 <frames_> wilcal, that's actually really smart 19:49:22 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Lucky you. 19:49:32 <MrsB> As always, if you need help with anything whatsoever don't hesitate to ask 19:49:45 <wilcal> http://www.killdisk.com is my friend 19:49:46 <[mbot> [ How to erase hard drive by Active@ KillDisk? Low Level Disk Format ] 19:49:56 <dvg> i need help putting the trash out tonight 19:50:06 <lewyssmith> ? 19:50:14 <Kernewes> is that a coded message? 19:50:21 <MrsB> dvg: grip handle, pick up, walk outside, put down :P 19:50:42 <Kernewes> dvg: the trash, not the dog 19:50:43 <dvg> its got wheels, but no steering 19:50:56 <Kernewes> like a supermarket trolley 19:51:00 <MrsB> i think that's probably drunk driving 19:51:06 <dvg> thanks MrsB 19:51:08 <frames_> i usually tow it on the back of my subaru. im lazy 19:51:10 <MrsB> :) 19:51:37 <lewyssmith> I think early M5 testing has gone to people's heads. 19:51:53 <dvg> she said help with anyhing... 19:52:02 <Kernewes> oh I see 19:52:08 <lewyssmith> Aah. 19:52:28 <Ozky> If it's in your head go out and drunk your self to clear your head :) 19:52:29 <wilcal> we need to move to Testing updates 19:52:38 <MrsB> I'd normally ask if there are any major issues, but there is a big one at the moment, they don't boot. So we'll need to wait for 3rd round 19:52:49 <wilcal> yep 19:52:53 <Kernewes> just a minor point 19:53:01 <MrsB> #info QA team awaiting 3rd round 19:53:23 <MrsB> everybody know what to do when they arrive though, that's the important thing? 19:53:48 <wilcal> yep 19:53:57 <JC_Stiegler> Ok for me 19:54:19 <MrsB> While we wait for them we can go onto testing some updates.. 19:54:24 <RemyServices> grab a beer (but not too much tough), some music and a dark corner? 19:54:32 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates 19:54:38 <MrsB> morning RemyServices 19:55:10 <RemyServices> Good morning/afternoon 19:55:11 <wilcal> Hi ya Remy 19:55:37 <MrsB> For those who just joined us, there is always a list of updates waiting for our attention here http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 19:55:39 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:56:07 <MrsB> we test them following this process https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 19:56:28 <MrsB> both those links are always in the topic in this channel if you lose them 19:56:56 <MrsB> there are some useful tips here too https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_Tricks 19:56:57 <rene91> These pages remain open in my browser full time :-) 19:57:16 <MrsB> great, that's the best way to do it until you're used to it 19:57:21 <Kernewes> I have them bookmarked 19:57:24 <RemyServices> I can test 13444 on mga4 tonight, I think I should be able to do both 86 and 64 19:57:24 <MrsB> go through it step by step 19:57:32 <frames_> The CVE updates are a bit confusing to me, are we supposed to go through the same validation process as other updates? 19:57:53 <Kernewes> frames_: I still find those baffling 19:58:00 <MrsB> mostly frames_ yes, but if we can find a proof of concept we use it in testing too 19:58:17 <MrsB> it's explained in the validation process link above 19:58:48 <lewyssmith> Bill is going to explode over PHP, I suspect. 19:59:34 <wilcal> I've put considerable time into 19:59:34 <MrsB> Yeah, This is usually where we find out if there are any which are causing problems for anybody and give everybody a chance to ask questions 19:59:35 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13532 19:59:36 <[mbot> Bug 13532: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , php new security issue CVE-2014-4049, php-5.5.13-1.mga4.src.rpm 19:59:36 <wilcal> Until new iso's come along will continue to tinker with it. 20:00:13 <wilcal> This is a HUGE(S) package and can effect lots of things if you are using it 20:00:24 <Ozky> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13663 20:00:25 <[mbot> Bug 13663: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update candidate: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection, perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.24.0-1.mga4.src.rpm 20:00:45 <MrsB> you just have to install them all and then update them all bill. Mga3 php has php-gd and php-gd-bundled which should conflict so they can't be installed togetrher 20:00:48 <wilcal> 74 php directly related rpms, 150+ rpms with all in 20:01:04 <wilcal> We can never test'em all 20:01:32 <MrsB> the best way to test them is by testing what uses them, so various webapps 20:01:41 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: you don't really need to test every single subpackage 20:01:54 <wilcal> 74 packages??? 20:02:21 <wilcal> I agree Luigi it's how many and which to test to comfortably push it 20:02:27 <MrsB> wordpress, drupal, phpmyadmin, ummm the dropbox one i can't remember the name of 20:02:33 <wilcal> That's what I am tinkering with 20:02:34 <lewyssmith> Can someone tell me how to get Ownclowd going? To test PHP. 20:02:38 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: I actually thought of an idea that might make installing easier. You can uninstall all of your php packages and then install whatever webapps you want to test with with updates_testing enabled and let it pull in all of the php dependencies from updates_testing automatically 20:02:45 <MrsB> owncloud that's it 20:02:46 <diogenese> mediawiki too. 20:03:03 <wilcal> I've actually tried that Dave and had some problems 20:03:24 <lewyssmith> diogenese: Can you tell me about that privately? 20:03:26 <MrsB> owncloud is really easy lewis, what are you having issues with? 20:03:29 <wilcal> you'd think it would work but didn't with the Apache php app 20:03:39 <lewyssmith> I installed it. what next? 20:03:40 <diogenese> lewyssmith: Sure 20:03:46 <wilcal> owncloud needs a DB 20:03:50 <MrsB> browse to http://localhost/owncloud 20:03:59 <MrsB> most webapps work that way 20:04:00 <wilcal> and that puts another level of complexity in it 20:04:01 <RemyServices> http://localhost/owncloud, wasn't it? 20:04:22 <wilcal> and that is the one package that fails for me after the update 20:04:37 <wilcal> and only in M4 64-bit 20:04:46 <lewyssmith> iT GIVES ME A LOGIN SCREEN, BUT i HAVE NOTHING CONFIGURED. 20:04:46 <wilcal> so is that a fault of php? 20:05:03 <MrsB> i'll check too tomorrow wilcal 20:05:06 <wilcal> Use system root and PW and that should get you into owncloud 20:05:16 <MrsB> nooo 20:05:39 <wilcal> It does for M3 32/64-bit and M4 32-bit 20:05:57 <wilcal> anyway I'm not an expert at owncloud 20:06:09 <MrsB> owncloud can use sqlite which is just a file, it'll create that itself, you can set up a proper database for it though if you're planning to use it preoprly 20:06:20 <wilcal> and it works for owncloud 64-bit before the update_testing install 20:06:44 <MrsB> i'd imagine you've still got mixed php versions wilcal 20:06:58 <wilcal> Maybe we can all agree on a half dozen php apps to use for testing 20:07:11 <MrsB> what do you suggest? 20:07:14 <lewyssmith> Good idea. We need info about setting them up. 20:07:38 <lewyssmith> Some of them are *big*. 20:07:40 <Kernewes> including all the additional things you need 20:07:53 <MrsB> mostly with webapps all you need is a database 20:07:58 <Kernewes> sometimes you experienced folk forget to mention the very basic stuff 20:08:16 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Pre-created? 20:08:19 <wilcal> drupal glpi owncloud and phpmyadmin is what I have been using 20:08:50 <lewyssmith> I only have phpmyadmin & Moodle. 20:08:54 <RemyServices> wordpress 20:08:56 <lewyssmith> So far. 20:09:07 <wilcal> Problem is php can be so important that if we miss something some big app won't work 20:09:19 <MrsB> use phpmyadmin to create a database. It doesn't matter if the package is installed or not at the time. When you've done that browse to http://localhost/<name of webapp> and complete the installation 20:09:49 <wilcal> If the webapp starts does that mean that the update_testing worked? 20:09:56 <lewyssmith> I see nothing for Ownclowd. Just a login screen. 20:10:23 <wilcal> for me entering root ID & PW gets me in 20:10:34 <MrsB> the login screen asks you to enter admin user details lewis for owncloud, below those two boxes there is a drop down to choose different database settings 20:11:08 <MrsB> if you just enter the admin login details then it'll use sqlite3 by default i believe 20:11:27 <MrsB> that doesn't need you to create a databse for it to use, it'll do the work itself 20:11:40 <wilcal> and for me after the M4 64-bit update_testing install it don't work no more 20:12:02 <wilcal> if that fault enough to fail the php update? 20:12:11 <wilcal> is that fault enough 20:12:16 <MrsB> lets see if we can reproduce it wilcal 20:12:22 <wilcal> thanks MrsB 20:12:28 <MrsB> i'll look tmrw 20:12:51 <MrsB> wordpress is really easy to install too and drupal isn't much harder. 20:12:54 <RemyServices> ill try that too if I get some time 20:12:55 <wilcal> anyway this is a huge important package as I called it in the bug a Mission Impossible to test 20:12:58 <wilcal> fully 20:13:01 <Ozky> Are we testing kde 4.12 is not assigned to qa team ? 20:13:06 <lewyssmith> Owncloud: Unix username & password got me in. Thanks! 20:13:10 <MrsB> thanks RemyServices, you'll most likely get to it before i will 20:13:17 <wilcal> same for me lewys 20:13:20 <diogenese> Turning on/up logging in /etc/php.ini is helpful finding the culprit when web apps fail. 20:13:25 <wilcal> and after the update maybe not 20:14:04 <wilcal> If the webapp starts after update_testing install does that mean the update is ok 20:14:05 <MrsB> Ozky: we test whatever is assigned to us, when that update is ready for testign they will assign it over to us 20:14:15 <Ozky> Ok 20:14:17 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Remeber I shall be doing MGA4 64-bit. 20:14:24 <wilcal> k 20:14:54 <wilcal> I don't think because I'm testing in Vbox that should make a difference 20:15:05 <MrsB> no, it shouldnt 20:15:06 <diogenese> It shouldn't 20:15:25 <MrsB> diogenese: care to look at php too? 20:15:36 <wilcal> Anyway the big picture here is beyond php testing BIG things like kernels and php are a challange 20:16:09 <wilcal> If people would look at thier pet php apps that would help 20:16:45 <MrsB> If anybody is lookign for somewhere to start, file is an easy one 20:17:01 <MrsB> python is actually an easy one too 20:17:03 <diogenese> MrsB: Was just thinking that. I'm used to it. 20:17:12 <MrsB> thanks diogenese 20:17:41 <RemyServices> I think the list we created was drupal glpi owncloud and phpmyadmin wordpress mediawiki 20:17:46 <RemyServices> but there are many more 20:18:09 <wilcal> Ya as in many many many more 20:18:21 <MrsB> When you go to test something, if there isn't a testing procedure listed on the bug report already, click the 'Bugzilla' link on the list page and it will search our bugzilla for previous updates where you can see how it was done before 20:18:33 <lewyssmith> We need setup advice for all those. eGroupware was difficult. 20:18:48 <MrsB> egroupware is horrible :( 20:18:59 <wilcal> new people even the smallest of testing this things is VERY valuable 20:19:05 <Kernewes> we're trying to add to the wiki page with testing procedures too but it's slow 20:19:07 <lewyssmith> I never cracked it. You did. 20:19:56 <MrsB> Let's focus a little bit then guys, did we agree a list of things to test php with? 20:20:15 <MrsB> RemyServices: beat me to it 20:20:30 <lewyssmith> Yes; ever-growing. 20:20:35 <wilcal> Yes, that is a good list 20:20:52 <MrsB> #info suggested webapps for testing php with are drupal glpi owncloud and phpmyadmin wordpress mediawiki 20:20:52 <lewyssmith> Moodle should be in it. 20:20:55 <wilcal> if the webapp works then the update_testing at least installed 20:20:59 <MrsB> #info and moodle 20:21:16 <MrsB> what's next then? 20:21:28 <MrsB> Are there any others that look scary? 20:21:44 <lewyssmith> freerdp 20:21:57 <lewyssmith> I could not do it at all. 20:22:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830 20:22:12 <[mbot> Bug 12830: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm 20:22:18 <wilcal> has been around too long 20:22:26 <wilcal> I poked at it a little 20:22:34 <lewyssmith> No-one can re-create the original fault. 20:22:35 <MrsB> hmm pretty sure we've had freerdp before, it's not found on the search though 20:22:50 <RemyServices> I use it all the time, I can test that 20:22:58 <MrsB> great RemyServices! 20:22:59 <RemyServices> just unsure if I will be able to produce the bug too 20:23:03 <lewyssmith> Hold you to it! 20:23:11 <MrsB> can you write the testing procedure to the bug report when you do please 20:23:27 <MrsB> is it remote desktop? 20:23:38 <lewyssmith> Yes. Microsoft. 20:23:39 <RemyServices> well, it starts with needing a Windows box to RDP to 20:23:47 <MrsB> ahhh 20:23:50 <RemyServices> from there it is easy 20:23:55 <MrsB> remmina type thing then 20:23:59 <Luigi12_work> freerdp should be easy if you have a Windows machine on the network 20:23:59 <Luigi12_work> you might be able to share a Linux desktop through RDP, not sure what app you use for that 20:24:21 <MrsB> I have an XP install in vbox I can test with too 20:24:36 <lewyssmith> Or the Win desktop on Linux? 20:24:47 <MrsB> in fact vbox is good for testing, it doesn't require windows 20:25:00 <MrsB> if you enable Remote Display in virtualbox it uses rdp 20:25:27 <Kernewes> My 64-bit laptop won't run a 64-bit system in VB but it will run a 32-bit one, is that any good for testing? 20:25:49 <MrsB> yes, especially mga4 32 :) 20:26:22 <Kernewes> ah fine, I wondered if the mixture of 64-bit host and 32-bit guest would be too unnatural 20:26:39 <MrsB> it's a good combination, you can test either arch then 20:26:52 <wilcal> How much DRAM in your laptop Kern 20:26:58 <Kernewes> DRAM? 20:27:05 <MrsB> not freerdp though, you'd be able to test 64bit by connecting to the 32bit in vbox 20:27:09 <wilcal> memory sorry 20:27:20 <Kernewes> what's the difference between DRAM and RAM? 20:27:35 <Kernewes> it has 6G of RAM which is great for VB 20:27:44 <wilcal> I'm a hardware engineer. DRAM at the sticks of memory you plug into your computer 20:27:51 <wilcal> are the sticks 20:28:03 <MrsB> when you configure your VM set the Network Type to bridged, it acts as a normal computer on your network then and you can connect to it 20:28:20 * Kernewes writes that down 20:28:22 <wilcal> and you are running a 32-bit system 20:28:29 <wilcal> M4 32-bit 20:28:59 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: RAM = random access memory = memory. DRAM is a sort of RAM. 20:29:27 <Kernewes> thanks everyone 20:29:43 <wilcal> when I run Mageia 32-bit on my hardware video editing machine I get about 3.2GB of usable memory 20:29:44 <MrsB> So any others that look too scary to tackle? 20:30:02 <wilcal> 16GB of memory is available 20:30:28 <MrsB> avidemux is one for you wilcal 20:30:34 <lewyssmith> MrsB: The 2 Python ones? 20:31:00 <MrsB> click on the Bugzilla link and see how it was done before, it's actually quite easy 20:31:08 <wilcal> I am big time into OpenShot 20:31:13 <lewyssmith> OK. 20:31:46 <MrsB> bug 13643 wilcal 20:31:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13643 major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , avidemux needs to be updated for ffmpeg security issues, avidemux-2.6.8-1.mga5.src.rpm 20:31:52 <Kernewes> sorry folks, going to have to leave you, I'm done in 20:32:02 <MrsB> thanks for coming Kernewes 20:32:07 <Kernewes> bye everyone 20:32:12 <MrsB> nite 20:32:16 <lewyssmith> Nos da Carolyn. 20:32:37 <MrsB> Any others looking scary, particularly our beginners? 20:33:22 <MrsB> gcompris is another easy one 20:33:26 <Ozky> No 20:33:28 <RemyServices> bug 12423 I won't be helping in and bug 12830 has been open for some time 20:33:30 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12423 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Upgrading Mga3 (with a manually installed grub2) to Mga4 using urpmi fails to reboot, grub2-2.00-58.mga4 20:33:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830 major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm 20:33:43 <rene91> not really scary... a bit useless as I don't know anything about php :-( 20:34:05 <MrsB> that's ok rene91, you'll pick it up, we've all had to learn alot 20:34:25 <MrsB> have a go at gcompris instead - bug 13585 20:34:26 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13585 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , gdk pixbuf cache problem, gcompris-13.11-1.mga4.src.rpm 20:34:43 <Ozky> I can take it to testing 20:35:03 <wilcal> I'll look at 13643 20:35:06 <MrsB> let's see if there are other easy ones, one sec 20:36:06 <MrsB> perl-Glib-Object-Introspection bug 13663 20:36:07 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13663 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update candidate: perl-Glib-Object-Introspection, perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.24.0-1.mga4.src.rpm 20:36:21 <MrsB> the name sounds technical but the testing is very easy 20:36:37 <Ozky> I posted it allready once 20:37:30 <MrsB> the main thing is to have a go and to ask questions 20:37:44 <MrsB> if you get stuck, we're here to help 20:38:28 <barjac> MrsB: Sorry to interrupt but while all are here: http://mtf.no-ip.co.uk/pub/linux/barjac/soft/dorsync2_8 supports a folder skip file: dorsync.skip - note in script. 20:38:28 <MrsB> but do attempt them and don't be too worried about making mistakes, we've all done that too and we are generally pretty good at spotting them when they happen 20:38:45 <MrsB> morning tmb 20:38:50 <tmb> hi 20:39:04 <wilcal> Off work tmb? 20:39:07 <Ozky> morning too 20:39:23 <tmb> yeaj, just got home... 20:39:33 <MrsB> thanks barjac, i'll test it out 20:40:02 <MrsB> your no-ip working today then 20:40:02 <Luigi12_work> avidemux cancelled for now, Funda made a mess and duplicated its code in 4 or 5 SRPMS in Mageia 4 20:40:20 <MrsB> oopsie 20:41:11 <barjac> MrsB: hope so ;) why has it been down? 20:41:34 <MrsB> RemyServices: we'll get to those difficult ones when we can i think, grub2 should be ok though, can always test it in a VM and take a snapshot in case it goes wrong 20:41:52 <MrsB> microsoft, didn't you hear? 20:42:07 <diogenese> Dropped the hammer down on noip 20:42:31 <MrsB> Anyway, let's move on and do the roundup! 20:42:41 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:43:02 <wilcal> Hey! It's time for Luigi 20:43:10 <MrsB> For anybody who doesn't know, Luigi12 is David Walser, he heads our security team 20:43:33 <MrsB> he builds most of the security updates we get to test so you'll see alot of him 20:44:00 <MrsB> he knows how we work too so is a good person to ask for advice 20:44:20 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping 20:44:42 <Luigi12_work> oh hi 20:44:47 <MrsB> hi ho 20:45:01 <Ozky> ho hi 20:45:15 <MrsB> over to you :) 20:45:21 <Luigi12_work> just a reminder of the PoCs I posted for the gd image library issues for gd and php 20:45:42 <MrsB> #info there is a PoC (proof of concept) for php-gd 20:45:48 <Luigi12_work> for liblzo, can maybe find some example code to use perl-Compress-LZO to compress and decompress something 20:46:25 <wilcal> something simple we can add to our php testing? 20:46:44 <MrsB> gd is to do with image manipulation 20:47:25 <Luigi12_work> for what may be on the horizon, there may be another file update before too long (we just validated one today :o), and dbus has two more CVEs after we recently updated that. Ansible also has more issues, we just updated that one. 20:47:40 <Luigi12_work> Oden will hopefully update cacti and asterisk when he gets back from MariaDB-land 20:48:17 <MrsB> #info more updates coming soon for file (yet more!), dbus again too, ansible again too 20:48:43 <Luigi12_work> not sure when tv plans to push the next libreoffice update, there's a CVE for that 20:48:43 <Luigi12_work> waiting for the mga3 update to be built for libtorrent-rasterbar 20:48:45 <Luigi12_work> avidemux was taken back since there are other avidemux packages to fix in mga4 :o( 20:48:50 <MrsB> #also coming soon-ish are cacti and asterisk 20:48:57 <Luigi12_work> zabbix has another CVE, so that'll get updated at some point 20:49:00 <Luigi12_work> that's all that's new since last time 20:49:21 <MrsB> #info also coming soon-ish are cacti and asterisk 20:49:46 <MrsB> #info and zabbix and possibly libreoffice 20:50:03 <MrsB> the list has grown again 20:50:30 <Luigi12_work> indeed, and I don't feel like I did much this week (in regards to updates) 20:50:36 <Luigi12_work> I guess it's all relative 20:51:01 <MrsB> we've been elsewhere though haven't we 20:51:05 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 20:51:06 <wilcal> kept me busy with php 20:51:10 <lewyssmith> Yes. David deserves a big pat on the back. He is there in every security bug, & not just trivially. He does a hell of a lot. 20:51:13 <MrsB> oh, gd isn't php-gd is it 20:51:18 <wilcal> not from me super job as usual luigi 20:51:43 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: gd is libgd and php-d 20:51:48 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: gd is libgd and php-gd 20:51:53 <MrsB> yeah just saw lewis's testing 20:52:39 <MrsB> Does anybody want to ask Luigi12_work about anything? 20:53:11 <MrsB> thanks then Luigi12_work 20:53:14 <Luigi12_work> php-gd is built from the php SRPM. In Mageia 3 php-gd bundles its own gd code. In Mageia 4 php-gd uses the system libgd 20:53:19 <david_david> MrsB: not for me :) 20:53:36 <MrsB> good explanation, thanks 20:53:52 <diogenese> Good to know. 20:54:16 <MrsB> that only leaves... 20:54:22 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 20:54:28 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:54:36 <lewyssmith> Not here. I'm off. 20:54:36 <wilcal> Whew, not from me, long meeting 20:54:47 <MrsB> whoosh 20:55:00 <wilcal> good meeting though 20:55:03 <diogenese> Love that sound at the end. 20:55:12 <MrsB> it has been a long one, been lots of chatting this week 20:55:21 <diogenese> Been busy here. 20:55:30 <wilcal> As always many thanks to MrsB and new people horray!!!! 20:55:35 <MrsB> Well lets end as we started and give a big warm welcome to the new members! 20:55:47 <MrsB> thankyou all for coming 20:55:52 <diogenese> \o 😊 20:55:53 <rene91> thanks to everybody. Bye for now 20:55:54 <MrsB> T - 5 20:55:57 <MrsB> 4 20:55:58 <MrsB> 3 20:56:00 <MrsB> 2 20:56:01 <MrsB> 1 20:56:03 <MrsB> #endmeeting