19:03:27 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu May 22 19:03:27 2014 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:28 <MrsB> Morning QA 19:03:35 <lewyssmith> Bingo! 19:03:37 <MrsB> oh cool, go wilcal! 19:03:44 <wilcal> Ahhh she is here 19:03:56 <MrsB> think you must have seen an old message 19:04:01 <wilcal> #chair MrsB 19:04:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal 19:04:12 <wilcal> I thought you wern't gonna make it 19:04:29 <MrsB> Hi everybody :) 19:04:40 <wilcal> Hello MrsB 19:04:46 <MrsB> you carry on then wilcal, it's good practise ;) 19:04:49 <wilcal> I am so glad your in charge 19:04:58 <lewyssmith> C the noun? 19:05:09 <MrsB> practice 19:05:13 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:05:34 <wilcal> Anybody new to the meeting 19:05:41 <wilcal> we need new people 19:06:08 <MrsB> we very much do, especially now Dave isnt able to test stuff 19:06:14 <lewyssmith> Too true. 19:06:22 <MrsB> we're getting 3 or 4 updates added per day 19:06:47 <wilcal> ya 19:06:49 <MrsB> nobody new though 19:07:10 <wilcal> #topic kernels 19:07:34 <wilcal> A little flurry this morning with the M4 tmb kernel and I think we're through that 19:07:56 <MrsB> I managed to get through these today, but the mga3 ones were all untested until today 19:07:57 <wilcal> tmb fessed up about kernel-tmb-server 32-bit 19:08:04 <MrsB> lol 19:08:16 <MrsB> I think it's just improper vbox settings 19:08:16 <lewyssmith> Are they all at 40 now? 19:08:19 <david_david> hi all :) 19:08:23 <MrsB> hi david_david 19:08:35 <MrsB> 3.10.40 in mga3 i htink yes 19:08:38 <wilcal> I think I'll follow suit with a quick run through on the M3 kernels in Vbox 19:09:04 <wilcal> Kinda do the same post you did MrsB 19:09:17 <MrsB> Yeah please do. I installed mga3 onto a spare box to test with so no vbox tests yet. 19:09:41 <MrsB> I was going to validate them but if you're doing that i'll hang on and do so in the morning 19:10:04 <wilcal> Lemme do a quick run through in Vbox just to make sure 19:10:13 <MrsB> great, yeah 19:10:22 <wilcal> now that the kernel-tmb-server thing is explained 19:10:29 <MrsB> they're so tedious but so important at the same time 19:10:36 <lewyssmith> How, please? 19:10:45 <MrsB> which bit lewis? 19:10:57 <lewyssmith> kernel-tmb-server thing is explained 19:10:58 <wilcal> If there's lots of sports on TV testing of kernels is easy 19:11:20 <MrsB> Oh, it was due to a setting in vbox, the one that exposes the host PAE to the guest 19:11:32 <lewyssmith> PAE ? 19:11:44 <wilcal> Seems only the 32-bit tmb server is effected 19:11:48 <MrsB> that's the magic that allows more than 4Gb memory on 32bit systems 19:11:49 <remyservices_> Physical Address Extension 19:12:00 <lewyssmith> Merci. 19:12:13 <wilcal> If you don't allow it the Vbox client crashes on launch 19:12:19 <wilcal> Immediately 19:12:34 <MrsB> it does give an error message though 19:12:46 <wilcal> In the Vbox log for sure 19:12:57 <wilcal> took a little while to find that actually 19:13:00 <MrsB> it doesn't crash, so much as the kernel shows the error telling you why it won't work 19:13:28 <MrsB> It showed the error in the main screen 19:13:33 <wilcal> Is it true that the error is on the Vbox Server side not the client under test 19:13:35 <MrsB> where it was trying to boot 19:14:08 <MrsB> it's just an incorrect setting for that kernel, same as you can't run 64bit kernels when emulating 32bit cpu 19:14:27 <wilcal> good work by everyone work'n on that 19:14:48 <MrsB> I'm glad we tracked it down 19:15:19 <wilcal> I do have a proposal for the bugs listed to be tested 19:15:29 <MrsB> Did anybody have any problems with testing the kernels, anything you didn't understand? 19:15:54 <MrsB> ok, we'll coem to that later then wilcal 19:16:07 <MrsB> unless its kernels you mean 19:16:07 <wilcal> Important that they get tested in as many ways as possible 19:16:19 <wilcal> updates testing in general 19:16:34 <MrsB> ok, save it for next topic 19:16:55 <MrsB> Everybody understand what to do with kernels now then? 19:17:49 <MrsB> they're one of those packages that can be quite intimidating, but not really as complex as they sound 19:18:25 <wilcal> and if we get it wrong it really goes wrong 19:18:44 <remyservices_> only issue i had was the rt on hyper-v, new bug opened for it 19:19:28 <MrsB> just have to be thorough with them. 's alot of repetition, lots of dkms builds too so very time consuming. I spent the whole day at it today just for mga3. 19:19:39 <MrsB> it's* 19:20:05 <MrsB> YMMV though, this was an old machine 19:20:37 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates 19:20:54 <MrsB> We still have a huuuge list :\ 19:21:17 <wilcal> I propose that once an update is on the list, and left waiting for action 19:21:19 <wilcal> for more then x days, that that update be taken off the list. 19:21:33 <lewyssmith> To where? 19:21:50 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830 19:21:51 <[mbot> Bug 12830: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm 19:21:56 <wilcal> has been there for 75 days 19:21:57 <MrsB> I asked for help on from packagers to clear the backlog of bugfix updates, so far we've not seen much. Malo raised it in the packager meeting too. 19:22:28 <MrsB> I'd like to now clear those by just ensuring the packages/updates install cleanly. 19:22:40 <malo> MrsB: yep, packagers are quite asleep/busy these days ... sorry 19:23:00 <MrsB> Obviosly ones which are grey and have 'feedback' in whiteboard are waiting for feedback so not those ones 19:23:00 <wilcal> 7 of the 20 bugs for M4 are waiting for action 19:23:27 <MrsB> I'll go through those and assign back to packager any which are lingering wilcal 19:23:38 <MrsB> malo: appreciate you trying :) 19:23:43 <remyservices_> what are bolded items? 19:23:48 <wilcal> Thanks MrsB, I'm being Mr Executive again :-)) 19:23:58 <MrsB> They show riority remyservices_ 19:24:04 <MrsB> priority 19:24:11 <MrsB> fingers are tired :\ 19:24:21 <remyservices_> MrsB: thanks 19:24:40 <MrsB> The list pretty much shows highest priority at the top and lowest at the bottom 19:24:53 <wilcal> What was the package we used the mariadb on just a little while ago? 19:25:10 <MrsB> red ones are critical - meaning drop everything and get them tested quickly 19:25:47 <MrsB> most webapps need a database wilcal, phpmyadmin, drupal, wordpress, egroupware, etc 19:26:15 <wilcal> phpmyadmin I think was the one 19:26:16 <MrsB> check for PoC, you often find them for things like that 19:26:34 <lewyssmith> I noted the few I tried on the bug. 19:26:49 <MrsB> Don't be afraid to add an OK lewis 19:26:54 <lewyssmith> I did. 19:27:11 <MrsB> great, so lewis has pretty much added a procedure then 19:27:26 <lewyssmith> You exaggerate. 19:27:48 <MrsB> if you do that on any of them you can also add the has_procedure whiteboard thing so it registers on the list 19:28:45 <lewyssmith> [Ye Gods: Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony for the *second time today*]. 19:29:16 <MrsB> Are there any currently waiting for testing that look scary? 19:30:22 <lewyssmith> Does libvrt need some VM setup? I have none. 19:30:24 <wilcal> I don't think scary is the right term I think complex sometimes applies 19:30:54 <lewyssmith> libgadu cause difficulty last time around. 19:31:28 <lewyssmith> David ants drupal chased, but it is greyed. 19:31:28 <MrsB> libvirt can be tested using virt-manager, you'll find previous updates with a procedure. It's similar to vbox actually. You have to start libvirtd service then create/start a machine in virt-manager 19:32:05 <MrsB> you don't have to complete an install, just show it's working 19:32:24 <remyservices_> for libgadu we need a gadu account, right? 19:32:47 <remyservices_> or is there a way to do a test without an account? 19:32:53 <lewyssmith> I remember: it was all in Polish! 19:33:31 <MrsB> libgadu previous update - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12709 19:33:33 <[mbot> Bug 12709: major, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, libgadu new security issue CVE-2013-6487, libgadu-1.11.2-6.mga4.src.rpm 19:33:37 <remyservices_> I've never seen so many zzzzz's 19:33:45 <MrsB> just shows it using the library 19:35:23 <lewyssmith> What is mumble? 19:35:32 <MrsB> we test as far as reasonably practicable, so we initially set our sights high, then work backwards from there. If all else fails we can always ensure that the update applies cleanly, checking for packaging issues. 19:36:07 <MrsB> mumble is a chat client, used alot in podcasting and gaming 19:36:30 <lewyssmith> Could you use it here? 19:36:34 <MrsB> there are previous updates for that one too, david_david will be able to help though if you need any info about it 19:36:53 <MrsB> in france, yes it works there too :P 19:37:06 <lewyssmith> I mean this IRC session. 19:37:15 <MrsB> no, it's a voice chat thing 19:37:34 <wilcal> ie the title mumbles 19:37:57 <MrsB> urpmq -i mumble 19:38:37 <wilcal> FWIW in the Disney movie "Dick Tracy" there was character named "Mumbles" 19:39:05 <MrsB> i remember that yeah 19:39:20 <MrsB> Any others that look frightening? 19:40:05 <wilcal> Played by Dustin Hoffman 19:40:35 <david_david> for mumble, mumble, at first I think we should try if the update installs successfully 19:40:39 <wilcal> As I have said I poke at at least one a day may not be successfull enough to post 19:41:03 <wilcal> The isodumber looks interesting 19:41:08 <MrsB> please try and do more than one :) 19:41:28 <wilcal> Question on isodumber I assume it's not distructive on the system it's run on 19:41:37 <MrsB> I'm sure we can do better than that david_david 19:41:43 <wilcal> Today I got through webmin 19:42:00 <MrsB> yes, we need to get you uploading advisories wilcal 19:42:04 <wilcal> something I'm very familiar with 19:42:29 <wilcal> ya get'n certified or something by the server is a mystery to me 19:42:30 <david_david> MrsB: yeah ! doubtless :) 19:42:59 <MrsB> pretty sure we've had updates for mumble in the past, I seem to remember red lip icons 19:43:58 <remyservices_> wilcal: no, dot to the system you run on, but to the drive you write to, yes. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/IsoDumper_Writing_ISO_images_on_USB_sticks 19:44:06 <MrsB> #info We're going to clear the backlog of bugfix type updates by just ensuring the updates apply cleanly. 19:44:30 <wilcal> There was a character in the Movie Dick Tracy by the name of "Lips Manlis" 19:44:43 <wilcal> No relation to mumbles 19:44:56 <tmb> MrsB, https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6581 19:44:57 <[mbot> Bug 6581: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, Mumble does not find the celt 0.7.1 library [mga2], mumble-1.2.3-2.mga2.src.rpm 19:45:07 <wilcal> I think that is a good ideal MrsB 19:45:11 <MrsB> #info We'll also be reassigning any which have been waiting for feedback for some time 19:45:12 <wilcal> idea 19:45:42 <MrsB> just add some info's so people can see at a glance. It won't come as a surprise then. 19:46:12 <MrsB> We need get our heads back above the water so we can have another go at mga4.1 19:46:21 <wilcal> Yep 19:46:24 <lewyssmith> wilcal: In Bristolian, idea is said ideal. 19:46:31 <david_david> hmmm, mumble-1.2.3 is here for quite some time on repo :) 19:47:13 <MrsB> thanks tmb, hi btw 19:47:23 <tmb> hi 19:47:31 <wilcal> hello tmb 19:47:50 <lewyssmith> Bienvenu. 19:47:51 <wilcal> thanks for the help on kernel-tmb-server 32-bit 19:47:56 <MrsB> Have we covered everything? Does anybody want to ask anything or say anything else here before we move on? 19:48:07 <wilcal> I'm done 19:48:49 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:48:52 <wilcal> I should be through the M3 kernels by this time tommorw 19:49:25 <MrsB> #info David is at a track meet doing some running again today and has email qa-discuss with the roundup again. 19:49:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal: They are all marked OK. 19:49:57 <wilcal> kernels should always be testing on several platforms 19:50:21 <MrsB> yeah, by all means test the remaining kernels 19:50:22 <wilcal> i think MrsB testing them on real hardware 19:50:36 <MrsB> I'll validate them in the morning 19:50:40 <wilcal> I'll try them in Vbox 19:52:05 <lewyssmith> David is running (or whatever) again today; not here. 19:52:37 <MrsB> yep, we're almost done \o/ 19:52:44 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 19:52:48 <wilcal> No here 19:52:56 <MrsB> :O 19:53:05 <remyservices_> not here 19:53:08 <wilcal> not here 19:53:17 <MrsB> lewis? 19:53:20 <lewyssmith> I posted a mailing list item about Chromium not working. 19:53:32 <david_david> no 19:53:37 <MrsB> oh i saw that. Can anybody reproduce? 19:53:46 <lewyssmith> & another about Bugzilla login aggro. 19:54:08 <MrsB> Is bugzilla ok now, it could have been server issues 19:54:25 <MrsB> i rarely log out so don't log in very often 19:54:33 <lewyssmith> Haven't tried today. Wait a mo' 19:55:08 <lewyssmith> Still that red refusal box. 19:55:57 <MrsB> #info Please check chromium in mga4 and see if you reproduce the mail lewis sent to qa-discuss 19:56:09 <tmb> lewyssmith, empty cache / cookies and try again 19:56:28 <lewyssmith> It must have worked elsewhere to have been OK'd. 19:56:53 <tmb> lewyssmith, I mean for the bugzilla issue 19:56:55 <lewyssmith> tmb: Will try that. But I ask opera to delete cookies at every exit. 19:57:44 <lewyssmith> Let' drop it here now. I'm done. 19:57:49 <MrsB> okies 19:57:56 <MrsB> Tha only leaves.. 19:57:58 <wilcal> back to testing kernels :-)) 19:58:05 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody.. 19:58:07 <MrsB> 5 19:58:09 <MrsB> 4 19:58:11 <MrsB> 3 19:58:12 <MrsB> 2 19:58:14 <MrsB> 1 19:58:17 <MrsB> #endmeeting