19:03:27 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:03:28 <MrsB> Morning QA
19:03:35 <lewyssmith> Bingo!
19:03:37 <MrsB> oh cool, go wilcal!
19:03:44 <wilcal> Ahhh she is here
19:03:56 <MrsB> think you must have seen an old message
19:04:01 <wilcal> #chair MrsB
19:04:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal
19:04:12 <wilcal> I thought you wern't gonna make it
19:04:29 <MrsB> Hi everybody :)
19:04:40 <wilcal> Hello MrsB
19:04:46 <MrsB> you carry on then wilcal, it's good practise ;)
19:04:49 <wilcal> I am so glad your in charge
19:04:58 <lewyssmith> C the noun?
19:05:09 <MrsB> practice
19:05:13 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:34 <wilcal> Anybody new to the meeting
19:05:41 <wilcal> we need new people
19:06:08 <MrsB> we very much do, especially now Dave isnt able to test stuff
19:06:14 <lewyssmith> Too true.
19:06:22 <MrsB> we're getting 3 or 4 updates added per day
19:06:47 <wilcal> ya
19:06:49 <MrsB> nobody new though
19:07:10 <wilcal> #topic kernels
19:07:34 <wilcal> A little flurry this morning with the M4 tmb kernel and I think we're through that
19:07:56 <MrsB> I managed to get through these today, but the mga3 ones were all untested until today
19:07:57 <wilcal> tmb fessed up about kernel-tmb-server 32-bit
19:08:04 <MrsB> lol
19:08:16 <MrsB> I think it's just improper vbox settings
19:08:16 <lewyssmith> Are they all at 40 now?
19:08:19 <david_david> hi all :)
19:08:23 <MrsB> hi david_david
19:08:35 <MrsB> 3.10.40 in mga3 i htink yes
19:08:38 <wilcal> I think I'll follow suit with a quick run through on the M3 kernels in Vbox
19:09:04 <wilcal> Kinda do the same post you did MrsB
19:09:17 <MrsB> Yeah please do. I installed mga3 onto a spare box to test with so no vbox tests yet.
19:09:41 <MrsB> I was going to validate them but if you're doing that i'll hang on and do so in the morning
19:10:04 <wilcal> Lemme do a quick run through in Vbox just to make sure
19:10:13 <MrsB> great, yeah
19:10:22 <wilcal> now that the kernel-tmb-server thing is explained
19:10:29 <MrsB> they're so tedious but so important at the same time
19:10:36 <lewyssmith> How, please?
19:10:45 <MrsB> which bit lewis?
19:10:57 <lewyssmith> kernel-tmb-server thing is explained
19:10:58 <wilcal> If there's lots of sports on TV testing of kernels is easy
19:11:20 <MrsB> Oh, it was due to a setting in vbox, the one that exposes the host PAE to the guest
19:11:32 <lewyssmith> PAE ?
19:11:44 <wilcal> Seems only the 32-bit tmb server is effected
19:11:48 <MrsB> that's the magic that allows more than 4Gb memory on 32bit systems
19:11:49 <remyservices_> Physical Address Extension
19:12:00 <lewyssmith> Merci.
19:12:13 <wilcal> If you don't allow it the Vbox client crashes on launch
19:12:19 <wilcal> Immediately
19:12:34 <MrsB> it does give an error message though
19:12:46 <wilcal> In the Vbox log for sure
19:12:57 <wilcal> took a little while to find that actually
19:13:00 <MrsB> it doesn't crash, so much as the kernel shows the error telling you why it won't work
19:13:28 <MrsB> It showed the error in the main screen
19:13:33 <wilcal> Is it true that the error is on the Vbox Server side not the client under test
19:13:35 <MrsB> where it was trying to boot
19:14:08 <MrsB> it's just an incorrect setting for that kernel, same as you can't run 64bit kernels when emulating 32bit cpu
19:14:27 <wilcal> good work by everyone work'n on that
19:14:48 <MrsB> I'm glad we tracked it down
19:15:19 <wilcal> I do have a proposal for the bugs listed to be tested
19:15:29 <MrsB> Did anybody have any problems with testing the kernels, anything you didn't understand?
19:15:54 <MrsB> ok, we'll coem to that later then wilcal
19:16:07 <MrsB> unless its kernels you mean
19:16:07 <wilcal> Important that they get tested in as many ways as possible
19:16:19 <wilcal> updates testing in general
19:16:34 <MrsB> ok, save it for next topic
19:16:55 <MrsB> Everybody understand what to do with kernels now then?
19:17:49 <MrsB> they're one of those packages that can be quite intimidating, but not really as complex as they sound
19:18:25 <wilcal> and if we get it wrong it really goes wrong
19:18:44 <remyservices_> only issue i had was the rt on hyper-v, new bug opened for it
19:19:28 <MrsB> just have to be thorough with them. 's alot of repetition, lots of dkms builds too so very time consuming. I spent the whole day at it today just for mga3.
19:19:39 <MrsB> it's*
19:20:05 <MrsB> YMMV though, this was an old machine
19:20:37 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
19:20:54 <MrsB> We still have a huuuge list :\
19:21:17 <wilcal> I propose that once an update is on the list, and left waiting for action
19:21:19 <wilcal> for more then x days, that that update be taken off the list.
19:21:33 <lewyssmith> To where?
19:21:50 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830
19:21:51 <[mbot> Bug 12830: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:21:56 <wilcal> has been there for 75 days
19:21:57 <MrsB> I asked for help on from packagers to clear the backlog of bugfix updates, so far we've not seen much. Malo raised it in the packager meeting too.
19:22:28 <MrsB> I'd like to now clear those by just ensuring the packages/updates install cleanly.
19:22:40 <malo> MrsB: yep, packagers are quite asleep/busy these days ... sorry
19:23:00 <MrsB> Obviosly ones which are grey and have 'feedback' in whiteboard are waiting for feedback so not those ones
19:23:00 <wilcal> 7 of the 20 bugs for M4 are waiting for action
19:23:27 <MrsB> I'll go through those and assign back to packager any which are lingering wilcal
19:23:38 <MrsB> malo: appreciate you trying :)
19:23:43 <remyservices_> what are bolded items?
19:23:48 <wilcal> Thanks MrsB, I'm being Mr Executive again  :-))
19:23:58 <MrsB> They show riority remyservices_
19:24:04 <MrsB> priority
19:24:11 <MrsB> fingers are tired :\
19:24:21 <remyservices_> MrsB: thanks
19:24:40 <MrsB> The list pretty much shows highest priority at the top and lowest at the bottom
19:24:53 <wilcal> What was the package we used the mariadb on just a little while ago?
19:25:10 <MrsB> red ones are critical - meaning drop everything and get them tested quickly
19:25:47 <MrsB> most webapps need a database wilcal, phpmyadmin, drupal, wordpress, egroupware, etc
19:26:15 <wilcal> phpmyadmin I think was the one
19:26:16 <MrsB> check for PoC, you often find them for things like that
19:26:34 <lewyssmith> I noted the few I tried on the bug.
19:26:49 <MrsB> Don't be afraid to add an OK lewis
19:26:54 <lewyssmith> I did.
19:27:11 <MrsB> great, so lewis has pretty much added a procedure then
19:27:26 <lewyssmith> You exaggerate.
19:27:48 <MrsB> if you do that on any of them you can also add the has_procedure whiteboard thing so it registers on the list
19:28:45 <lewyssmith> [Ye Gods: Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony for the *second time today*].
19:29:16 <MrsB> Are there any currently waiting for testing that look scary?
19:30:22 <lewyssmith> Does libvrt need some VM setup? I have none.
19:30:24 <wilcal> I don't think scary is the right term I think complex sometimes applies
19:30:54 <lewyssmith> libgadu cause difficulty last time around.
19:31:28 <lewyssmith> David ants drupal chased, but it is greyed.
19:31:28 <MrsB> libvirt can be tested using virt-manager, you'll find previous updates with a procedure. It's similar to vbox actually. You have to start libvirtd service then create/start a machine in virt-manager
19:32:05 <MrsB> you don't have to complete an install, just show it's working
19:32:24 <remyservices_> for libgadu we need a gadu account, right?
19:32:47 <remyservices_> or is there a way to do a test without an account?
19:32:53 <lewyssmith> I remember: it was all in Polish!
19:33:31 <MrsB> libgadu previous update - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12709
19:33:33 <[mbot> Bug 12709: major, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, libgadu new security issue CVE-2013-6487, libgadu-1.11.2-6.mga4.src.rpm
19:33:37 <remyservices_> I've never seen so many zzzzz's
19:33:45 <MrsB> just shows it using the library
19:35:23 <lewyssmith> What is mumble?
19:35:32 <MrsB> we test as far as reasonably practicable, so we initially set our sights high, then work backwards from there. If all else fails we can always ensure that the update applies cleanly, checking for packaging issues.
19:36:07 <MrsB> mumble is a chat client, used alot in podcasting and gaming
19:36:30 <lewyssmith> Could you use it here?
19:36:34 <MrsB> there are previous updates for that one too, david_david will be able to help though if you need any info about it
19:36:53 <MrsB> in france, yes it works there too :P
19:37:06 <lewyssmith> I mean this IRC session.
19:37:15 <MrsB> no, it's a voice chat thing
19:37:34 <wilcal> ie the title mumbles
19:37:57 <MrsB> urpmq -i mumble
19:38:37 <wilcal> FWIW in the Disney movie "Dick Tracy" there was character named "Mumbles"
19:39:05 <MrsB> i remember that yeah
19:39:20 <MrsB> Any others that look frightening?
19:40:05 <wilcal> Played by Dustin Hoffman
19:40:35 <david_david> for mumble, mumble, at first I think we should try if the update installs successfully
19:40:39 <wilcal> As I have said I poke at at least one a day may not be successfull enough to post
19:41:03 <wilcal> The isodumber looks interesting
19:41:08 <MrsB> please try and do more than one :)
19:41:28 <wilcal> Question on isodumber I assume it's not distructive on the system it's run on
19:41:37 <MrsB> I'm sure we can do better than that david_david
19:41:43 <wilcal> Today I got through webmin
19:42:00 <MrsB> yes, we need to get you uploading advisories wilcal
19:42:04 <wilcal> something I'm very familiar with
19:42:29 <wilcal> ya get'n certified or something by the server is a mystery to me
19:42:30 <david_david> MrsB: yeah ! doubtless :)
19:42:59 <MrsB> pretty sure we've had updates for mumble in the past, I seem to remember red lip icons
19:43:58 <remyservices_> wilcal: no, dot to the system you run on, but to the drive you write to, yes. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/IsoDumper_Writing_ISO_images_on_USB_sticks
19:44:06 <MrsB> #info We're going to clear the backlog of bugfix type updates by just ensuring the updates apply cleanly.
19:44:30 <wilcal> There was a character in the Movie Dick Tracy by the name of "Lips Manlis"
19:44:43 <wilcal> No relation to mumbles
19:44:56 <tmb> MrsB, https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6581
19:44:57 <[mbot> Bug 6581: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, Mumble does not find the celt 0.7.1 library [mga2], mumble-1.2.3-2.mga2.src.rpm
19:45:07 <wilcal> I think that is a good ideal MrsB
19:45:11 <MrsB> #info We'll also be reassigning any which have been waiting for feedback for some time
19:45:12 <wilcal> idea
19:45:42 <MrsB> just add some info's so people can see at a glance. It won't come as a surprise then.
19:46:12 <MrsB> We need get our heads back above the water so we can have another go at mga4.1
19:46:21 <wilcal> Yep
19:46:24 <lewyssmith> wilcal: In Bristolian, idea is said ideal.
19:46:31 <david_david> hmmm, mumble-1.2.3 is here for quite some time on repo :)
19:47:13 <MrsB> thanks tmb, hi btw
19:47:23 <tmb> hi
19:47:31 <wilcal> hello tmb
19:47:50 <lewyssmith> Bienvenu.
19:47:51 <wilcal> thanks for the help on kernel-tmb-server 32-bit
19:47:56 <MrsB> Have we covered everything? Does anybody want to ask anything or say anything else here before we move on?
19:48:07 <wilcal> I'm done
19:48:49 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:48:52 <wilcal> I should be through the M3 kernels by this time tommorw
19:49:25 <MrsB> #info David is at a track meet doing some running again today and has email qa-discuss with the roundup again.
19:49:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal: They are all marked OK.
19:49:57 <wilcal> kernels should always be testing on several platforms
19:50:21 <MrsB> yeah, by all means test the remaining kernels
19:50:22 <wilcal> i think MrsB testing them on real hardware
19:50:36 <MrsB> I'll validate them in the morning
19:50:40 <wilcal> I'll try them in Vbox
19:52:05 <lewyssmith> David is running (or whatever) again today; not here.
19:52:37 <MrsB> yep, we're almost done \o/
19:52:44 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
19:52:48 <wilcal> No here
19:52:56 <MrsB> :O
19:53:05 <remyservices_> not here
19:53:08 <wilcal> not here
19:53:17 <MrsB> lewis?
19:53:20 <lewyssmith> I posted a mailing list item about Chromium not working.
19:53:32 <david_david> no
19:53:37 <MrsB> oh i saw that. Can anybody reproduce?
19:53:46 <lewyssmith> & another about Bugzilla login aggro.
19:54:08 <MrsB> Is bugzilla ok now, it could have been server issues
19:54:25 <MrsB> i rarely log out so don't log in very often
19:54:33 <lewyssmith> Haven't tried today. Wait a mo'
19:55:08 <lewyssmith> Still that red refusal box.
19:55:57 <MrsB> #info Please check chromium in mga4 and see if you reproduce the mail lewis sent to qa-discuss
19:56:09 <tmb> lewyssmith, empty cache / cookies and try again
19:56:28 <lewyssmith> It must have worked elsewhere to have been OK'd.
19:56:53 <tmb> lewyssmith, I mean for the bugzilla issue
19:56:55 <lewyssmith> tmb: Will try that. But I ask opera to delete cookies at every exit.
19:57:44 <lewyssmith> Let' drop it here now. I'm done.
19:57:49 <MrsB> okies
19:57:56 <MrsB> Tha only leaves..
19:57:58 <wilcal> back to testing kernels  :-))
19:58:05 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody..
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19:58:17 <MrsB> #endmeeting