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19:11:49 <MrsB> #chair wilcal DavidWHodgins
19:11:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal
19:11:59 <MrsB> Hi everybody and welcome to another one
19:12:07 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anybody new here?
19:12:13 <MrsB> thanks Dave :)
19:12:21 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today?
19:12:37 <MrsB> or anybody old just joining?
19:13:03 <MrsB> none by the looks of it
19:13:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 4.1
19:13:09 <MrsB> thankyou
19:13:39 <DavidWHodgins> I've only tested three of the iso images so far. No problems found here.
19:13:47 <MrsB> You probably saw that some ISOs have landed. I'd like us to clear the bugfixes before we dig into them
19:13:52 <wilcal> How's all that doing I've been kinda concentrating on security bugs
19:14:33 <MrsB> I asked at this weeks council meeting for help and Akien sent an email on dev ml requesting help
19:15:09 <MrsB> roelof is an apprentice packager, they have to test at least one update for QA during their training
19:15:10 <DavidWHodgins> I missed this weeks council meeting (was sleeping).
19:15:25 <MrsB> it was a team review meeting Dave
19:16:00 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: You are becoming like your cat...
19:16:01 <MrsB> What we can't afford to let happen is to start and concentrate on the ISOs while there is still a big list of updates waiting.
19:16:10 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:17:05 <MrsB> so let's please clear the bugfix ones before we do, at least, whilst keeping on top of sec updates.
19:17:18 <lewyssmith> Is the Classic ISO 'safe' yet? i.e. without basic faults?
19:17:23 <MrsB> we don't have a pad yet for the ISOs either
19:17:33 <wilcal> The red security bugs are really important
19:17:44 <MrsB> I've no clue tbh lewis, didn't get any notice so they were a surprise for me too
19:17:57 <wilcal> Is the same password valid
19:18:02 <wilcal> for the ISO's
19:18:11 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes
19:18:22 <wilcal> Hasn't changed in awhile
19:18:23 <MrsB> it's for us to find out, but we just need to do our bread & butter tasks first
19:19:16 <MrsB> some have tested though haven't they and they seem ok so far. They'll need proper testing, each DE etc
19:19:41 <MrsB> everybody ok with this?
19:19:48 <wilcal> I think the problems with 4.1 have been platform sensitive
19:19:57 <wilcal> Mostly they work
19:20:27 <MrsB> The new ISOs have all the updates since release too so need thorough testing. I don't envisage any issues but you never know
19:21:29 <MrsB> anything else on this?
19:21:43 <wilcal> I'll resync this weekend
19:21:55 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
19:22:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
19:22:11 <MrsB> tah
19:22:35 <MrsB> So we really need to ficus on this lot if we're to get to the ISOs
19:22:39 <MrsB> focus even
19:22:47 <wilcal> all but the tmb kernels are pushed
19:23:23 <wilcal> lots of teamwork on the php stuff
19:23:23 <MrsB> How are you getting on? I notice bill and lewis you've both been attempting some more complex stuff - great to see and thoroughly encouraged!
19:23:42 <lewyssmith> & lost.
19:23:47 <wilcal> Also we are all documenting our testing processes better
19:24:13 <MrsB> that really helps the next time around
19:24:14 <wilcal> Remembe next guy to test is "testing updates for dummies"
19:24:42 <MrsB> Are there any roadblocks at the moment?
19:24:54 <wilcal> mmm a couple i think
19:24:59 <wilcal> lemme look
19:25:26 <lewyssmith> Several bugs are stalled or going in circles (revised updates).
19:25:28 <wilcal> I confirmed your Vbox wrinkle in
19:25:30 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13374
19:25:31 <[mbot> Bug 13374: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , miniupnpc new DoS security issue, miniupnpc-1.8-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:25:50 <MrsB> yes it needs testing on real hw that one wilcal, missing 3d acceleration in vbox
19:26:14 <wilcal> This has got to be taken off the list:
19:26:15 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830
19:26:16 <[mbot> Bug 12830: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:26:22 <MrsB> i noticed the clamav one lewis. Lets just do basic checks and get it pushed.
19:26:53 <lewyssmith> I will re_try clamav & doing moodle.
19:27:27 <wilcal> php got well tested and documented and pushed
19:27:42 <MrsB> it's a pain when bugs get like that, it makes them so hard to follow. Ideally all that stuff will be done before it reaches us and it's presented with a nice advisory explaining everything.
19:27:54 <wilcal> Should be a lot easier next time through
19:28:20 <MrsB> re clamav, above, not php
19:28:21 <lewyssmith> clamav & amavisd re-cycled the updates.
19:28:22 <wilcal> Always remember the next guy testing is "testing updates for dummies"
19:29:36 <MrsB> f you can do basic checks lewis to make sure it updates ok when the services are running and they all start as expected I think that's going to be good enough for that one
19:30:09 <MrsB> we're not going to configure mailservers for it
19:30:34 <wilcal> Remember were testing here not creating careers
19:30:50 <wilcal> LAMP installs should not be part of testing
19:31:23 <MrsB> lamp installs frequently are, but complex server setups not so much
19:31:45 <MrsB> urpmi task-lamp is all that's needed for that
19:32:25 <lewyssmith> Does anyone know what clamav-milter is/dos?
19:32:32 <lewyssmith> does
19:32:36 <MrsB> I believe it's the mail filter
19:32:58 <wilcal> clamav is a mail filter
19:33:00 <MrsB> just ensure the service is running before and after update
19:33:31 <MrsB> clamav is an antivirus, frshclam is the thing that updates the virus database and milter is the mail filter
19:33:36 <MrsB> IINM
19:34:20 <MrsB> are there any other road blocks?
19:34:59 <Akien> lightdm
19:35:22 <Akien> The update candidate is not working on mga3 64bit, both Lewis and I tested it
19:35:22 <MrsB> yeah, that's awaiting feedback. Don't worry about that one for now.
19:35:31 <Akien> Sure :)
19:36:43 <MrsB> If we have to do minimal checks to clear the backlog of bugfixes that's fine, we need to do so to get on to the ISOs before they become too outdated and need rebuilding.
19:37:18 <MrsB> As always though we need to do all that *and* keep on top of sec updates though :\
19:37:24 <wilcal> I have a mostly empty weekend so I should be able to get to some of the bugs
19:37:54 <MrsB> great wilcal, let's aim to clear them, one way or another, by next week
19:38:22 <MrsB> I'll put out another call to arms on dev list and see if we can generate some interest there
19:38:45 <MrsB> thanks for that Akien
19:39:01 <Akien> yw :)
19:39:16 <MrsB> Does anybody have mga4 in Vbox ?
19:39:25 <DavidWHodgins> I just haven't had the energy to work on testing updates.
19:39:45 <wilcal> I always maintain up-to-date testing copies of all the active releases in Vbox
19:39:57 <wilcal> Now that's four installs
19:40:20 <MrsB> Dave, you feel up to testing kernel-tmb in vbox?
19:40:32 <wilcal> I then copy those clients to create a testing clients
19:40:34 <DavidWHodgins> I think so
19:41:14 <MrsB> wilcal had some issues, so just to confirm/reproduce/ok it
19:41:33 <wilcal> something is wrong here with tmb kernel in Vbox pretty consistantly wrong here
19:42:17 <MrsB> there are more kernels due imminently too so if there is an issue we need to highlight it. tmb couldn't reprodce, but he's cleverer than most!
19:42:48 <wilcal> When launching as a client in Vbox the 64-bit version of
19:42:49 <wilcal> kernel-tmb-server works fine but the 32-bit crashes on
19:42:50 <wilcal> launch immediately.
19:42:55 <wilcal> tmb-kernel
19:43:17 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13266
19:43:19 <[mbot> Bug 13266: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-tmb-3.12.18-1.mga4, kernel-tmb-3.12.18-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:43:20 <wilcal> comment 5
19:44:28 <MrsB> Anything else to do with updates?
19:44:48 <MrsB> RemyServices: if you need help, just hollar won't you
19:45:14 <RemyServices> Will do
19:45:29 <MrsB> od have a go though, it's really the best way to learn
19:45:34 <MrsB> do*
19:45:51 <lewyssmith> I am working on replacing my upstairs floor, *very* busy.
19:46:01 <wilcal> Oooo one bug with a question
19:46:14 <MrsB> you're almost building a new house aren't you lewis?
19:46:20 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13374
19:46:21 <[mbot> Bug 13374: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , miniupnpc new DoS security issue, miniupnpc-1.8-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:46:24 <lewyssmith> Yes, walls apart.
19:46:33 <MrsB> party at yours then soon?
19:46:48 <lewyssmith> Soon�
19:46:53 <lewyssmith> !
19:46:56 <wilcal> what's happen'n with megaglest crashing
19:47:07 <MrsB> miniupnpc needs testing on real hw, it's complaining there is no 3D
19:47:15 <wilcal> Ok
19:47:16 <RemyServices> For 13374, UPNP isn't included which would help testing and that was the only thing I came up with
19:47:34 <wilcal> So it's not happy with the Vbox 3D
19:47:41 <RemyServices> Spellchecker... upnpc
19:47:47 <MrsB> yeah, i think so wilcal
19:47:52 <wilcal> thks
19:48:30 <MrsB> Akien is going to release an update for megaglest for the version problem at some point
19:48:40 <MrsB> or might do
19:49:22 <MrsB> Alrighty then, let's move on. Thanks guys.
19:49:27 <RemyServices> ktorrent and that other t torrent client use miniupnp but I'm not sure how to verify
19:49:48 <wilcal> It's luigi time  :-))
19:49:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
19:50:13 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_lappy
19:50:27 <MrsB> must be built in RemyServices
19:50:55 <lewyssmith> He said "I won't be there, as I'll be on my way to our regional championship track meet.  I don't have much to say about the current updates assigned to QA.  As far as things in the pipeline, there are several waiting on packagers:"
19:51:07 <MrsB> #info Luigi12_work is not available today, doing some running. He sent an email to qa-d though with some news.
19:51:29 <MrsB> #info good luck David!
19:51:56 <MrsB> so we can skip the roundup this week :)
19:52:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:52:08 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
19:52:13 * MrsB has some news
19:52:39 <wordgazer> speaking of cats, have you seen this furry hero? => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6n0sPHBkBA
19:52:40 <[mbot> [ Hero Cat Saves Young Boy From Dog Attack In Bakersfield | Cat Saves Kid | VIDEO - YouTube ]
19:52:52 <tmb> hi
19:52:54 <MrsB> hi tmb
19:52:59 <DavidWHodgins> Lol. Saw that one already.
19:53:08 <wordgazer> brave cat
19:53:19 <wilcal> hello tmb
19:53:27 <wilcal> Viral on the net
19:53:45 <MrsB> good grief nasty dog, top cat!
19:53:50 <wilcal> Smartphones are everywhere
19:54:13 <wilcal> I'd like to see some of the bugs on the list that have been
19:54:14 <wilcal> there over 10-days and awaiting dev input taken off the list.
19:54:19 <wordgazer> seems to use security camera footage also
19:54:22 <tmb> So, dont know if you talked about coming updates, but new kernels for mga3 and mga4 should land tomorrow..
19:54:52 <MrsB> we did but we thought you'd want to test/push last tmb first?
19:54:56 <DavidWHodgins> I've seen my cat stand at the edge of my property, and when a dog came up to him barking, just swatted the dog's nose. The dog ran away.
19:54:56 <wilcal> I've got a method for kernels, just takes a weekend with lots of baseball games on TV
19:55:37 <MrsB> are you wanting the new new kernels for ISO tmb?
19:55:51 <tmb> its the fix for CVE-2014-0196 that has there is now a known local exploit...
19:56:29 <MrsB> if there's a PoC it makes testing simpler at least
19:57:18 <tmb> MrsB, I dont think the isos need to be re-done... if we go down that road, there will alway be new cves to get fixed, and mga4.1 will never be released
19:57:51 <MrsB> well, if we keep getting major updates to test we might not get to them anyway :P
19:58:02 <tmb> :)
19:58:26 <MrsB> we need to clear the backlog of bugfixes before we get onto ISO testing.
19:58:59 <MrsB> tl;dr; we'll clear them this weekend, even if it means very basic tests only
19:59:51 <MrsB> I have some personal news. After 12 years MrB and myself got engaged this week :)
20:00:06 <wilcal> WOW!!!! That is news
20:00:10 <wordgazer> congrats!
20:00:17 <wilcal> Kool
20:00:18 <DavidWHodgins> Congrats!
20:00:27 <MrsB> thanks :) it's been a long time coming..
20:00:29 <tmb> MrsB, congratulations !
20:00:38 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
20:00:43 <RemyServices> Congrats (to the engagement and not the couches
20:00:44 <wilcal> Your now an official team
20:00:55 <MrsB> yes we also had new sofas delivered :D
20:01:35 <MrsB> it turns out they are too big for the room and we now need to rearrange everything
20:01:35 <wilcal> Each with their own sofa to watch TV
20:02:18 <MrsB> Is there anything else else before we finish?
20:02:29 <lewyssmith> KDE: Is it OK to apply the hundreds of awaiting updates, to get them off the list?
20:03:24 <MrsB> not yet, we need to test with what is currently available in updates though in general rather than in testing (unless it's already been tested)
20:04:01 <MrsB> There are quite a few QT ones and postgresql ones which will make the list shorter
20:04:45 <MrsB> KDE team has gone to sleep a bit with that though haven't they
20:04:48 <lewyssmith> Somebody said thay had been using this KDE stuff OK for months.
20:05:15 <MrsB> we don't even have an update request for it yet, it's entirely possible it could even be removed
20:06:20 <lewyssmith> Can they be removed, then? They make the updates testing list huge.
20:06:25 <MrsB> tmb?
20:07:53 <tmb> I'd like to ping kde guys before, as it's a lot of stuff to remove and rebuild later...
20:08:10 <MrsB> would you mind asking the question please?
20:08:39 <tmb> yes, I will
20:08:47 <MrsB> you can use urpmi rather than MCC if it's easier lewis, use -ya to do fuzzy searches. You can check first with urpmq -ya.
20:09:15 <MrsB> when removing, use urpme -a to do the same
20:09:25 <lewyssmith> But we *should* use MCC to be more like real users.
20:09:47 <wilcal> I prefer to use the urpme -a thingy
20:10:09 <lewyssmith> At least for the updates.
20:10:19 <wordgazer> erm, I am a real user and I prefer command line where possible
20:10:33 <MrsB> ideally, probably, yes. It was more important when we had issues with TBWNWDNM which caused updates to be uninstallable through MCC if certain things weren't linked properly on the mirror
20:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:11:16 <MrsB> it was a bug that caused us endless headaches which one day came to an end \o/ so we don't mention it any more
20:11:46 <DavidWHodgins> I've actually managed to forget the bug number. :-)
20:11:47 <MrsB> whichever you're happy with lewis
20:12:05 <MrsB> 7231 ;)
20:12:25 <lewyssmith> tmb: Cannot the KDE pkgs simply be put aside for the moment, to avoid re-building them later?
20:14:04 <MrsB> they are kind of in updates testing, we shouldn't allow things to sit in testing forever though
20:14:40 <lewyssmith> I'm done. Goodbye all.
20:14:48 <MrsB> there is a page on madb which shows packages in testing without a bug
20:14:55 <MrsB> oh :\
20:15:09 <tmb> yeah, we should start enforcing cleaning of updates_testing nore often
20:15:34 <MrsB> I guess that topic is closed then.
20:15:38 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12830
20:15:39 <[mbot> Bug 12830: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Gnome keyring do not start properly under MATE, gnome-keyring-3.10.1-2.mga4.src.rpm
20:15:45 <wilcal> been there 68 days
20:15:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else?
20:15:50 <wilcal> not from me
20:16:14 <tmb> not from me
20:16:15 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. It was bug 2317, not 7231.
20:16:17 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, --update option should behave like  --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm
20:16:20 <wordgazer> nope
20:16:33 <MrsB> i didn't want to say it :P
20:16:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:16:50 <wilcal> 5
20:17:03 <wilcal> 4
20:17:06 <wordgazer> 3
20:17:14 <wilcal> 2
20:17:16 <MrsB> It looks like we need to find a testing method for that one wilcal. Is feedback marker needed there?
20:17:51 <wilcal> yes
20:17:55 <wilcal> 1
20:18:03 <MrsB> lol ok
20:18:10 <MrsB> Thanks for coming
20:18:10 <wilcal> #endmeeting