19:09:54 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 19:09:54 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu May 1 19:09:54 2014 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:09:54 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:10:02 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MrsB wilcal 19:10:02 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 19:10:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are then come along and say hello 19:10:14 <MrsB> go dave \o/ 19:10:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:10:34 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today 19:10:57 <MrsB> looks not 19:10:59 <wilcal> Dave's in charge 19:11:03 <lewyssmith> Someone called lebarhon joined in earlier; new to me. 19:11:07 <MrsB> yep, let me do topic then .. 19:11:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Blog posts 19:11:20 <MrsB> beaten to it :D 19:11:31 <DavidWHodgins> :-) Go ahead. 19:11:38 <MrsB> We need to get the blog going again 19:11:53 <wilcal> Last blog is the OpenSSL thingy 19:11:56 <lewyssmith> Which blog? 19:12:09 <wilcal> http://blog.mageia.org/en/ 19:12:13 <MrsB> if anybody has any ideas for articles or has written any articles they think would be good to see on the blog then there is a wiki page to pwropose them 19:12:20 <[mbot> [ Mageia Blog (English) ] 19:12:24 * MrsB looks for the link 19:12:50 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning 19:13:07 <MrsB> or you can let me or Dave or wilcal or ennael or somebody know 19:13:21 <MrsB> don't be shy if you have any ideas 19:14:03 <MrsB> we're planning a series of articles, one from each team, to let people know what goes on behind the scenes and humanise Mageia to people 19:14:14 <MrsB> try and get more people involved 19:14:28 <lewyssmith> Ah. So we *are* inhuman. 19:14:45 <MrsB> yeah, except early in the morning 19:14:58 <lewyssmith> Or principally. 19:15:00 <MrsB> oops human i mean :) 19:15:06 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:15:22 <MrsB> anybody have any ideas now? 19:15:52 <lewyssmith> Publicity for more tester? 19:15:56 <wilcal> How long ( number of words ) would best fit in the Mageia Blog 19:16:15 <wilcal> No novels please 19:16:31 <MrsB> yes, the teams series will be. Explaining what goes on in each team and why and how to get involved, that sort of thing 19:16:47 <lewyssmith> Good idea. 19:17:02 <MrsB> You've all read blog posts so know the sort of thing i'm sure 19:17:35 <MrsB> if you think of anything then make a note of it on the wiki page or email qa-discuss or me or shout at somebody or something :) 19:18:03 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates 19:18:32 <MrsB> How are you all coping? 19:18:44 <wilcal> I try to go after something every day 19:19:01 <MrsB> yeah I noticed, you've stepped up, that's great! 19:19:01 <wilcal> even if you see no activity from me I'm still tinkering with something 19:19:17 <lewyssmith> I look at those I think I can do, or at least understand. 19:19:28 <wilcal> When I can make a meaningful contribution I do 19:19:39 <lewyssmith> I have a generic problem... 19:19:40 <DavidWHodgins> Been too tired here. 19:19:43 <wilcal> I've a couple points to make on the list 19:19:46 <MrsB> lewis if there are any you don't understand please ask, there's not enough of us to leave things untouched 19:20:20 <lewyssmith> I sometimes try testing a bug with inconclusive results, say so on the bug, & never hear another word. 19:20:49 <lewyssmith> There are >1 which end thus with me, needing follow-on. 19:21:10 <MrsB> Ok, do you know which off the top of your head? 19:21:23 <lewyssmith> Quick look... 19:21:35 <MrsB> i've been trying to keep on top of sec updates so probably neglecting the bugfixes somewhat 19:21:47 <wilcal> I do the same thing MrsB 19:21:59 <lewyssmith> 12977 19:22:05 <MrsB> bug 12977 19:22:05 <wilcal> I spent a LOT of time last weekend on the Kernels 19:22:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12977 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , audit initscript causes ordering cycles at boot leading to dbus+NetworkManager failure incl. KDE plasma applet crashes, auditd 19:22:09 <DavidWHodgins> Security updates have to take priority over bugfix updates. 19:22:29 <lewyssmith> 13258 19:22:41 <DavidWHodgins> bug 13258 19:22:42 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , plasma-applet-eventlist - new version 0.6.97 fixes bug in remove items, plasma-applet-eventlist-0.6.96-2.mga4.src.rpm 19:23:20 <MrsB> one sec, sorry 19:23:22 <lewyssmith> 13032 19:23:31 <DavidWHodgins> bug 13032 19:23:32 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13032 minor, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [enlightenment] update e from 0.17.5 to 0.17.6, e-0.17.5-1.mga4.src.rpm 19:23:46 <wilcal> IMO Lewis those kinds of bugs need to get a very simple proceedure - proceedure for dummies 19:24:15 <wilcal> Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 and this happens or not 19:24:26 <lewyssmith> They need another person to try them. 19:24:37 <DavidWHodgins> If there is no proof of concept for the bug, we just test that it installs cleanly, and works. 19:25:01 <lewyssmith> Dave - look! 19:25:15 <DavidWHodgins> At which one? 19:25:31 <lewyssmith> Last cited 19:26:03 <lewyssmith> I even put a msg on the mailing list. 19:26:26 <wilcal> Steps to Reproduce: 19:26:28 <wilcal> Delete an event from the plasmoid's list in reverse order 19:26:29 <wilcal> here's a good place where Dimitrios should produce an 19:26:31 <wilcal> easy step 1 step 2 step 3 19:26:59 <lewyssmith> That one needs a more expert opinion to OK the result. 19:27:21 <MrsB> It looks like with 12977 you could test networkmanager plasma applet, Thomas has tested one arch which we can count towards our validation 19:27:50 <MrsB> like dave says, if all else fails we can at least ensure the packages update cleanly without packaging errors 19:28:36 <lewyssmith> I can OK if that suffices. 19:29:12 <MrsB> yeah I would do. 19:29:16 <DavidWHodgins> The advisory still needs to be added to svn, before it can be pushed. 19:29:16 <Luigi12_work> cool, tmb fixed the bugzilla package and verified that it works on mga3 and mga4 64-bit 19:29:22 <wilcal> At some point someone needs to put that into the bug 19:29:58 <MrsB> For enlightenment, if you've found a problem and given requested feedback then add the 'feedback' whiteboard marker and wait for a response from the packager 19:30:10 <MrsB> hi RemyServices 19:30:28 <lewyssmith> E17 just needs someone else to try it, dead easy. 19:30:29 <RemyServices> Hey there, catching up 19:30:46 <DavidWHodgins> I ran into an problem yesterday, with svn, that I've never encountered before. While the deleted advisory has been restored, I'd really like to figure out what caused the problem in the first place. 19:31:08 <lewyssmith> This is on the mailing list, no? 19:31:17 <Luigi12_work> did you check the svn history? 19:31:26 <DavidWHodgins> Spent several hours reading up more on svn, but still haven't figured out what caused it. 19:31:28 <MrsB> i noticed that Dave, maybe did soemthing locally without realising 19:32:05 <MrsB> if you think practise might help... ;) 19:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: How? 19:32:45 <Luigi12_work> http://svnweb.mageia.org/advisories/?view=log 19:32:49 <DavidWHodgins> I definitely did not manually create a symlink with a process, or port number appended. 19:32:55 <Luigi12_work> then you can click each revision and see exactly what was done in it 19:33:04 <MrsB> yeah that was certainly strange 19:34:36 <MrsB> tmb: are you here at the moment? 19:34:58 <tmb> yes 19:35:24 <MrsB> Do you think we should push kmod before the new kernels? 19:35:44 <MrsB> bug 13119 19:35:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13119 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , Update request: kmod: fix wrong module search order, kmod 19:35:59 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Any idea how the symlink could have been created in my advisories directory? I definitly did not manually create it. 19:37:39 <DavidWHodgins> The symlink was .#13005 -> dave# x3.hodgins.homeip.net.22240 19:38:37 <DavidWHodgins> The only thing I can think of was my flakey network connection dropping while I was running svn up, and I didn't notice what had happened. 19:40:15 <tmb> MrsB, we could,.. but it would not enforce install order kmod before kernel as there is no such deps for now 19:41:08 <MrsB> true, if we did them on separate days mayeb though 19:41:12 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, no idea for now 19:41:53 <tmb> I can enforce it on next kernel build 19:42:08 <MrsB> Does anybody have anything to add/ask while we're talking updates? 19:42:16 <lewyssmith> I shall try 13014 just at the install/update level; it has trailed for weeks. No-one seems to understand what is really needed. 19:42:49 <wilcal> I've a couple of points 19:42:58 <wilcal> I think we need some check boxes or something in the Discussion in the Bug that 19:42:59 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: you did it in revision 1426 19:43:00 <wilcal> indicates that there really should be more then one person testing and confirming 19:43:01 <wilcal> that a bug has been tested and validated. 19:43:10 <MrsB> yeah, it's confused that one. You can check it updates cleanly though at leats, especially if the fix has been confirmed by others 19:43:16 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: http://svnweb.mageia.org/advisories/?view=revision&revision=1426 19:43:51 <wilcal> I don't want to waste tmb's time having to re-activate a bug because only one person tested it 19:44:23 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: That's the revision that deleted the file. Not what caused the symlink to be created in my local svn repo. 19:44:41 <MrsB> It comes from experience really wilcal, things like mesa, kernels, printing, etc, which are affected by various hardware variations are best tested with multiple people. That only works if multiple peple test it though of course. 19:45:20 <wilcal> I agree but somehow the originator of the Bug needs to indicate multiple people should test it 19:45:30 <wilcal> or if you see one just put a comment in there 19:45:38 <wilcal> Another check box should indicate that the bug can/should be testing one either 19:45:40 <wilcal> or both Vbox and real hardware. 19:46:06 <MrsB> I guess that's something that I/We need to comment on in the bug when it arrives. We've been a bit snowed under though to look at it until now 19:46:08 <wilcal> kernels should always be tested on real hardware and Vbox as is/was mesa 19:46:22 <wilcal> again just a comment somewhere 19:46:55 <MrsB> yep, ok, that's my fault then. My excuse is being jaded and attention diverted elsewhere 19:48:05 <Luigi12_work> guess that jaded thing is going around then :o) 19:48:07 <MrsB> it's good that you're testing things though so don't worry about it too much 19:48:11 <MrsB> i'd mush rather people had a go and needed some guidance than didn't have a go out of fear they make a mistake 19:48:27 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Are you back on form? 19:48:34 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: No 19:48:46 <lewyssmith> Sorry to hear thus. 19:49:10 <DavidWHodgins> Still feeling exhausted, even right after I wake up. 19:49:32 <lewyssmith> Due to medications? 19:49:51 <Luigi12_work> brb 19:49:54 <MrsB> still off the beer Dave? 19:50:20 <DavidWHodgins> More likely due to having fibromyalgia. There is no cure. Only treatment of the symptoms as they show up. 19:50:44 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: No. :-) It does help me sleep though. 19:50:51 <MrsB> :P 19:51:01 <diogenese> Sleep is good. 19:51:16 <lewyssmith> Seconded. 19:51:26 <DavidWHodgins> Been sleeping an average of 14 hours per day lately. 19:51:42 <MrsB> Lets move on to the roundup while we wait for David to get back 19:51:49 <MrsB> #topic Luigis Roundup 19:52:43 <MrsB> 14 hours is alot. Too much sleep can make you tired too can't it 19:53:05 <wilcal> Or recovery from a Great Party 19:53:05 <MrsB> are you getting out more? 19:53:11 <MrsB> lol 19:53:18 <Luigi12_work> back 19:53:27 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Not yet. 19:53:34 <MrsB> your go Luigi12_work 19:54:01 <Luigi12_work> so as mentioned earlier, tmb fixed bugzilla and verified that it works, so it can be tested and finally released :o) 19:54:16 <MrsB> #info bugzilla is now ready for testing :) 19:54:42 <Luigi12_work> we have prosody and lua-expat...the latter is an XML parser, so maybe we can find some sample lua code and test parsing a sample xml file, similar to what we've done with expat and libxml2 in the past 19:54:42 <MrsB> that's quite an easy one to test 19:54:50 <wilcal> I've heard that those Firefox and Thunderbird 24.5 updates are critical, true? 19:54:58 <Luigi12_work> prosody is a Jabber server, so that can be tested in combination with one of many chat clients such as Pidgin 19:55:09 <MrsB> pretty sure we've had expat before at some point 19:55:12 <Luigi12_work> FF/TB updates are always critical 19:55:25 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yep, we've had expat, and libxml2 would be similar too 19:55:42 <wilcal> What a mess with IE 19:55:53 <MrsB> #info FF/TB updates are critical as ever 19:56:01 <Luigi12_work> speaking of FF/TB, wrw was gonna test 32-bit this evening if nobody beats him to it, so that'll be done soon 19:56:04 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Since it was first released! 19:56:25 <wilcal> Department of Homeland Security here told everyone in the Government to stop using IE 19:56:32 <Luigi12_work> yes, even if MS fixes this zero day (supposedly they will tomorrow), anyone that feels safe using it is a fool 19:56:36 <MrsB> good advice in general i think 19:56:55 <RemyServices> bug fix was today, but if you run EMET your safe, stupid not to be running it 19:57:01 <wilcal> MS gave in today and agreed to fix IE in XP 19:57:07 <Luigi12_work> wow 19:57:11 <Luigi12_work> anyway, back to Linux.... 19:57:19 <diogenese> :) 19:57:23 <MrsB> #info prosody is a Jabber server, so that can be tested in combination with one of many chat clients such as Pidgin 19:57:36 <Luigi12_work> we have rxvt-unicode, which is a terminal emulator, so that's easy to test. Not sure there's a PoC for the escape codes issue 19:57:51 <MrsB> #info expat we've had before at some point 19:58:31 <Luigi12_work> expat we have, but not lua-expat (that I'm aware of), but testing it should be similar, just with a lua code snippet, hopefully we can find one 19:58:45 <MrsB> we've had that one before too, seem to remember something to do with starting it from gnome-terminal 19:59:09 <tmb> Luigi12_work, well, QA people likes to talk about bugs, so MS is a logical subject :) 19:59:15 <Luigi12_work> yeah I think we've had a bug about a similar escape codes issue in some terminal before too 19:59:24 <MrsB> #info check for a PoC for rxvt-unicode, it's a terminal emulator 19:59:26 <Luigi12_work> tmb: but then the meeting would never end :o) 19:59:45 <tmb> Luigi12_work, so true 19:59:53 <MrsB> it's nice to know that however bad we are, they're always worse 19:59:57 <Luigi12_work> :D 20:00:41 <MrsB> anything in the pipeline David? 20:00:50 <Luigi12_work> I did remove the feedback tag from owncloud, if there's an issue with regards to restarting httpd it's not in the owncloud package, and apache looks fine too, so could be an rpm issue if the trigger script isn't getting run (if the issue is reproducible) 20:01:19 <Luigi12_work> as usual, the pipeline is clogged with packages that could use some assistance from packagers 20:01:37 <lewyssmith> Very politely phrased. 20:01:37 <MrsB> i'll have another go tomorrow. This was a fresh mga4 install. Can try another computer too. 20:02:53 <Luigi12_work> boinc-client (coincoin), postgresql (doktor5000 was working on it but hasn't finished), qemu, wordpress, openafs, mariadb, drupal, cups-filters, qt4/qtbase5, ansible, dpkg, all awaiting packager action 20:03:17 <Luigi12_work> there's a new PHP CVE, so PHP 5.5.x was updated upstream, still waiting on them to update 5.4.x, then it'll be on the way 20:03:39 <wilcal> I've gotten really good at testing kernels :-)) 20:03:53 <MrsB> #info Sec updates needing maintainer input: boinc-client (coincoin), postgresql (doktor5000 was working on it but hasn't finished), qemu, wordpress, openafs, mariadb, drupal, cups-filters, qt4/qtbase5, ansible, dpkg, all awaiting packager action 20:04:03 <Luigi12_work> tmb: speaking of kernels, any thoughts on my console display issue? 20:04:06 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Need to branch out a bit, Bill. 20:04:33 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I could maybe try to bisect, but not sure I could run git behind our firewall, and we're currently locked out of the server room (someone lost the keys) 20:05:24 <tmb> Luigi12_work, care to remind me of the bug ? 20:05:47 <MrsB> i bet they're popular 20:05:49 <Luigi12_work> tmb: on our Dell server, mga4 kernels the console display doesn't work 20:06:08 <tmb> what GPU ? 20:06:48 <Luigi12_work> tmb: Matrox G200 of some sort 20:07:02 <Luigi12_work> embedded 20:07:47 <tmb> Luigi12, ah I see you have commented it current kernel update bug 20:08:01 <Luigi12_work> there's an early message from the kernel right after it loads about initiazling the SAS adapter or something like that, then normally the output from the init sequence would show on the screen and eventually the login prompt, but now the display is frozen with just that one early kernel message 20:08:12 <MrsB> Shall we move on, let you two chat about that after the meeting 20:08:15 <Luigi12_work> tmb: yeah I commented it there and filed it previously as Bug 13098 20:08:17 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13098 normal, Normal, tmb, NEW , kernel on Mageia 4 does not do KMS properly on Dell PowerEdge R610, kernel 20:08:33 <Luigi12_work> ok, I guess the roundup is done if there's no questions for me 20:08:38 <MrsB> thanks :) 20:08:48 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 20:09:03 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:09:08 <lewyssmith> Not here. I'm off. Bonne nuit. 20:09:30 <MrsB> whoosh! 20:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:09:51 <wilcal> No from me 20:09:54 <MrsB> wilcal, RemyServices anybody? 20:10:08 <MrsB> T-5 20:10:09 <wilcal> I'm off to lunch in a min 20:10:13 <MrsB> 4 20:10:16 <MrsB> 3 20:10:18 <MrsB> 2 20:10:21 <MrsB> 1 20:10:24 <RemyServices> nope, ill get testing again, sorry for the lax help over the last few weeks 20:10:28 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody! 20:10:36 <MrsB> look forward to it RemyServices :) 20:10:41 <MrsB> #endmeeting