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19:10:02 <DavidWHodgins> #chair MrsB wilcal
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19:10:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are then come along and say hello
19:10:14 <MrsB> go dave \o/
19:10:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:10:34 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today
19:10:57 <MrsB> looks not
19:10:59 <wilcal> Dave's in charge
19:11:03 <lewyssmith> Someone called lebarhon joined in earlier; new to me.
19:11:07 <MrsB> yep, let me do topic then ..
19:11:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Blog posts
19:11:20 <MrsB> beaten to it :D
19:11:31 <DavidWHodgins> :-) Go ahead.
19:11:38 <MrsB> We need to get the blog going again
19:11:53 <wilcal> Last blog is the OpenSSL thingy
19:11:56 <lewyssmith> Which blog?
19:12:09 <wilcal> http://blog.mageia.org/en/
19:12:13 <MrsB> if anybody has any ideas for articles or has written any articles they think would be good to see on the blog then there is a wiki page to pwropose them
19:12:20 <[mbot> [ Mageia Blog (English) ]
19:12:24 * MrsB looks for the link
19:12:50 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning
19:13:07 <MrsB> or you can let me or Dave or wilcal or ennael or somebody know
19:13:21 <MrsB> don't be shy if you have any ideas
19:14:03 <MrsB> we're planning a series of articles, one from each team, to let people know what goes on behind the scenes and humanise Mageia to people
19:14:14 <MrsB> try and get more people involved
19:14:28 <lewyssmith> Ah. So we *are* inhuman.
19:14:45 <MrsB> yeah, except early in the morning
19:14:58 <lewyssmith> Or principally.
19:15:00 <MrsB> oops human i mean :)
19:15:06 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:15:22 <MrsB> anybody have any ideas now?
19:15:52 <lewyssmith> Publicity for more tester?
19:15:56 <wilcal> How long ( number of words ) would best fit in the Mageia Blog
19:16:15 <wilcal> No novels please
19:16:31 <MrsB> yes, the teams series will be. Explaining what goes on in each team and why and how to get involved, that sort of thing
19:16:47 <lewyssmith> Good idea.
19:17:02 <MrsB> You've all read blog posts so know the sort of thing i'm sure
19:17:35 <MrsB> if you think of anything then make a note of it on the wiki page or email qa-discuss or me or shout at somebody or something :)
19:18:03 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates
19:18:32 <MrsB> How are you all coping?
19:18:44 <wilcal> I try to go after something every day
19:19:01 <MrsB> yeah I noticed, you've stepped up, that's great!
19:19:01 <wilcal> even if you see no activity from me I'm still tinkering with something
19:19:17 <lewyssmith> I look at those I think I can do, or at least understand.
19:19:28 <wilcal> When I can make a meaningful contribution I do
19:19:39 <lewyssmith> I have a generic problem...
19:19:40 <DavidWHodgins> Been too tired here.
19:19:43 <wilcal> I've a couple points to make on the list
19:19:46 <MrsB> lewis if there are any you don't understand please ask, there's not enough of us to leave things untouched
19:20:20 <lewyssmith> I sometimes try testing a bug with inconclusive results, say so on the bug, & never hear another word.
19:20:49 <lewyssmith> There are >1 which end thus with me, needing follow-on.
19:21:10 <MrsB> Ok, do you know which off the top of your head?
19:21:23 <lewyssmith> Quick look...
19:21:35 <MrsB> i've been trying to keep on top of sec updates so probably neglecting the bugfixes somewhat
19:21:47 <wilcal> I do the same thing MrsB
19:21:59 <lewyssmith> 12977
19:22:05 <MrsB> bug 12977
19:22:05 <wilcal> I spent a LOT of time last weekend on the Kernels
19:22:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12977 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , audit initscript causes ordering cycles at boot leading to dbus+NetworkManager failure incl. KDE plasma applet crashes, auditd
19:22:09 <DavidWHodgins> Security updates have to take priority over bugfix updates.
19:22:29 <lewyssmith> 13258
19:22:41 <DavidWHodgins> bug 13258
19:22:42 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , plasma-applet-eventlist - new version 0.6.97 fixes bug in remove items, plasma-applet-eventlist-0.6.96-2.mga4.src.rpm
19:23:20 <MrsB> one sec, sorry
19:23:22 <lewyssmith> 13032
19:23:31 <DavidWHodgins> bug 13032
19:23:32 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13032 minor, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [enlightenment] update e from 0.17.5 to 0.17.6, e-0.17.5-1.mga4.src.rpm
19:23:46 <wilcal> IMO Lewis those kinds of bugs need to get a very simple proceedure - proceedure for dummies
19:24:15 <wilcal> Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 and this happens or not
19:24:26 <lewyssmith> They need another person to try them.
19:24:37 <DavidWHodgins> If there is no proof of concept for the bug, we just test that it installs cleanly, and works.
19:25:01 <lewyssmith> Dave - look!
19:25:15 <DavidWHodgins> At which one?
19:25:31 <lewyssmith> Last cited
19:26:03 <lewyssmith> I even put a msg on the mailing list.
19:26:26 <wilcal> Steps to Reproduce:
19:26:28 <wilcal> Delete an event from the plasmoid's list in reverse order
19:26:29 <wilcal> here's a good place where Dimitrios should produce an
19:26:31 <wilcal> easy step 1  step 2  step 3
19:26:59 <lewyssmith> That one needs a more expert opinion to OK the result.
19:27:21 <MrsB> It looks like with 12977 you could test networkmanager plasma applet, Thomas has tested one arch which we can count towards our validation
19:27:50 <MrsB> like dave says, if all else fails we can at least ensure the packages update cleanly without packaging errors
19:28:36 <lewyssmith> I can OK if that suffices.
19:29:12 <MrsB> yeah I would do.
19:29:16 <DavidWHodgins> The advisory still needs to be added to svn, before it can be pushed.
19:29:16 <Luigi12_work> cool, tmb fixed the bugzilla package and verified that it works on mga3 and mga4 64-bit
19:29:22 <wilcal> At some point someone needs to put that into the bug
19:29:58 <MrsB> For enlightenment, if you've found a problem and given requested feedback then add the 'feedback' whiteboard marker and wait for a response from the packager
19:30:10 <MrsB> hi RemyServices
19:30:28 <lewyssmith> E17 just needs someone else to try it, dead easy.
19:30:29 <RemyServices> Hey there, catching up
19:30:46 <DavidWHodgins> I ran into an problem yesterday, with svn, that I've never encountered before. While the deleted advisory has been restored, I'd really like to figure out what caused the problem in the first place.
19:31:08 <lewyssmith> This is on the mailing list, no?
19:31:17 <Luigi12_work> did you check the svn history?
19:31:26 <DavidWHodgins> Spent several hours reading up more on svn, but still haven't figured out what caused it.
19:31:28 <MrsB> i noticed that Dave, maybe did soemthing locally without realising
19:32:05 <MrsB> if you think practise might help... ;)
19:32:08 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: How?
19:32:45 <Luigi12_work> http://svnweb.mageia.org/advisories/?view=log
19:32:49 <DavidWHodgins> I definitely did not manually create a symlink with a process, or port number appended.
19:32:55 <Luigi12_work> then you can click each revision and see exactly what was done in it
19:33:04 <MrsB> yeah that was certainly strange
19:34:36 <MrsB> tmb: are you here at the moment?
19:34:58 <tmb> yes
19:35:24 <MrsB> Do you think we should push kmod before the new kernels?
19:35:44 <MrsB> bug 13119
19:35:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13119 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , Update request: kmod: fix wrong module search order, kmod
19:35:59 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Any idea how the symlink could have been created in my advisories directory? I definitly did not manually create it.
19:37:39 <DavidWHodgins> The symlink was .#13005 -> dave# x3.hodgins.homeip.net.22240
19:38:37 <DavidWHodgins> The only thing I can think of was my flakey network connection dropping while I was running svn up, and I didn't notice what had happened.
19:40:15 <tmb> MrsB, we could,.. but it would not enforce install order kmod before kernel as there is no such deps for now
19:41:08 <MrsB> true, if we did them on separate days mayeb though
19:41:12 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, no idea for now
19:41:53 <tmb> I can enforce it on next kernel build
19:42:08 <MrsB> Does anybody have anything to add/ask while we're talking updates?
19:42:16 <lewyssmith> I shall try 13014 just at the install/update level; it has trailed for weeks. No-one seems to understand what is really needed.
19:42:49 <wilcal> I've a couple of points
19:42:58 <wilcal> I think we need some check boxes or something in the Discussion in the Bug that
19:42:59 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: you did it in revision 1426
19:43:00 <wilcal> indicates that there really should be more then one person testing and confirming
19:43:01 <wilcal> that a bug has been tested and validated.
19:43:10 <MrsB> yeah, it's confused that one. You can check it updates cleanly though at leats, especially if the fix has been confirmed by others
19:43:16 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: http://svnweb.mageia.org/advisories/?view=revision&revision=1426
19:43:51 <wilcal> I don't want to waste tmb's time having to re-activate a bug because only one person tested it
19:44:23 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: That's the revision that deleted the file. Not what caused the symlink to be created in my local svn repo.
19:44:41 <MrsB> It comes from experience really wilcal, things like mesa, kernels, printing, etc, which are affected by various hardware variations are best tested with multiple people. That only works if multiple peple test it though of course.
19:45:20 <wilcal> I agree but somehow the originator of the Bug needs to indicate multiple people should test it
19:45:30 <wilcal> or if you see one just put a comment in there
19:45:38 <wilcal> Another check box should indicate that the bug can/should be testing one either
19:45:40 <wilcal> or both Vbox and real hardware.
19:46:06 <MrsB> I guess that's something that I/We need to comment on in the bug when it arrives. We've been a bit snowed under though to look at it until now
19:46:08 <wilcal> kernels should always be tested on real hardware and Vbox as is/was mesa
19:46:22 <wilcal> again just a comment somewhere
19:46:55 <MrsB> yep, ok, that's my fault then. My excuse is being jaded and attention diverted elsewhere
19:48:05 <Luigi12_work> guess that jaded thing is going around then :o)
19:48:07 <MrsB> it's good that you're testing things though so don't worry about it too much
19:48:11 <MrsB> i'd mush rather people had a go and needed some guidance than didn't have a go out of fear they make a mistake
19:48:27 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Are you back on form?
19:48:34 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: No
19:48:46 <lewyssmith> Sorry to hear thus.
19:49:10 <DavidWHodgins> Still feeling exhausted, even right after I wake up.
19:49:32 <lewyssmith> Due to medications?
19:49:51 <Luigi12_work> brb
19:49:54 <MrsB> still off the beer Dave?
19:50:20 <DavidWHodgins> More likely due to having fibromyalgia. There is no cure. Only treatment of the symptoms as they show up.
19:50:44 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: No. :-) It does help me sleep though.
19:50:51 <MrsB> :P
19:51:01 <diogenese> Sleep is good.
19:51:16 <lewyssmith> Seconded.
19:51:26 <DavidWHodgins> Been sleeping an average of 14 hours per day lately.
19:51:42 <MrsB> Lets move on to the roundup while we wait for David to get back
19:51:49 <MrsB> #topic Luigis Roundup
19:52:43 <MrsB> 14 hours is alot. Too much sleep can make you tired too can't it
19:53:05 <wilcal> Or recovery from a Great Party
19:53:05 <MrsB> are you getting out more?
19:53:11 <MrsB> lol
19:53:18 <Luigi12_work> back
19:53:27 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Not yet.
19:53:34 <MrsB> your go Luigi12_work
19:54:01 <Luigi12_work> so as mentioned earlier, tmb fixed bugzilla and verified that it works, so it can be tested and finally released :o)
19:54:16 <MrsB> #info bugzilla is now ready for testing :)
19:54:42 <Luigi12_work> we have prosody and lua-expat...the latter is an XML parser, so maybe we can find some sample lua code and test parsing a sample xml file, similar to what we've done with expat and libxml2 in the past
19:54:42 <MrsB> that's quite an easy one to test
19:54:50 <wilcal> I've heard that those Firefox and Thunderbird 24.5 updates are critical, true?
19:54:58 <Luigi12_work> prosody is a Jabber server, so that can be tested in combination with one of many chat clients such as Pidgin
19:55:09 <MrsB> pretty sure we've had expat before at some point
19:55:12 <Luigi12_work> FF/TB updates are always critical
19:55:25 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yep, we've had expat, and libxml2 would be similar too
19:55:42 <wilcal> What a mess with IE
19:55:53 <MrsB> #info FF/TB updates are critical as ever
19:56:01 <Luigi12_work> speaking of FF/TB, wrw was gonna test 32-bit this evening if nobody beats him to it, so that'll be done soon
19:56:04 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Since it was first released!
19:56:25 <wilcal> Department of Homeland Security here told everyone in the Government to stop using IE
19:56:32 <Luigi12_work> yes, even if MS fixes this zero day (supposedly they will tomorrow), anyone that feels safe using it is a fool
19:56:36 <MrsB> good advice in general i think
19:56:55 <RemyServices> bug fix was today, but if you run EMET your safe, stupid not to be running it
19:57:01 <wilcal> MS gave in today and agreed to fix IE in XP
19:57:07 <Luigi12_work> wow
19:57:11 <Luigi12_work> anyway, back to Linux....
19:57:19 <diogenese> :)
19:57:23 <MrsB> #info prosody is a Jabber server, so that can be tested in combination with one of many chat clients such as Pidgin
19:57:36 <Luigi12_work> we have rxvt-unicode, which is a terminal emulator, so that's easy to test.  Not sure there's a PoC for the escape codes issue
19:57:51 <MrsB> #info expat we've had before at some point
19:58:31 <Luigi12_work> expat we have, but not lua-expat (that I'm aware of), but testing it should be similar, just with a lua code snippet, hopefully we can find one
19:58:45 <MrsB> we've had that one before too, seem to remember something to do with starting it from gnome-terminal
19:59:09 <tmb> Luigi12_work, well, QA people likes to talk about bugs, so MS is a logical subject :)
19:59:15 <Luigi12_work> yeah I think we've had a bug about a similar escape codes issue in some terminal before too
19:59:24 <MrsB> #info check for a PoC for rxvt-unicode, it's a terminal emulator
19:59:26 <Luigi12_work> tmb: but then the meeting would never end :o)
19:59:45 <tmb> Luigi12_work, so true
19:59:53 <MrsB> it's nice to know that however bad we are, they're always worse
19:59:57 <Luigi12_work> :D
20:00:41 <MrsB> anything in the pipeline David?
20:00:50 <Luigi12_work> I did remove the feedback tag from owncloud, if there's an issue with regards to restarting httpd it's not in the owncloud package, and apache looks fine too, so could be an rpm issue if the trigger script isn't getting run (if the issue is reproducible)
20:01:19 <Luigi12_work> as usual, the pipeline is clogged with packages that could use some assistance from packagers
20:01:37 <lewyssmith> Very politely phrased.
20:01:37 <MrsB> i'll have another go tomorrow. This was a fresh mga4 install. Can try another computer too.
20:02:53 <Luigi12_work> boinc-client (coincoin), postgresql (doktor5000 was working on it but hasn't finished), qemu, wordpress, openafs, mariadb, drupal, cups-filters, qt4/qtbase5, ansible, dpkg, all awaiting packager action
20:03:17 <Luigi12_work> there's a new PHP CVE, so PHP 5.5.x was updated upstream, still waiting on them to update 5.4.x, then it'll be on the way
20:03:39 <wilcal> I've gotten really good at testing kernels  :-))
20:03:53 <MrsB> #info Sec updates needing maintainer input: boinc-client (coincoin), postgresql (doktor5000 was working on it but hasn't finished), qemu, wordpress, openafs, mariadb, drupal, cups-filters, qt4/qtbase5, ansible, dpkg, all awaiting packager action
20:04:03 <Luigi12_work> tmb: speaking of kernels, any thoughts on my console display issue?
20:04:06 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Need to branch out a bit, Bill.
20:04:33 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I could maybe try to bisect, but not sure I could run git behind our firewall, and we're currently locked out of the server room (someone lost the keys)
20:05:24 <tmb> Luigi12_work, care to remind me of the bug ?
20:05:47 <MrsB> i bet they're popular
20:05:49 <Luigi12_work> tmb: on our Dell server, mga4 kernels the console display doesn't work
20:06:08 <tmb> what GPU ?
20:06:48 <Luigi12_work> tmb: Matrox G200 of some sort
20:07:02 <Luigi12_work> embedded
20:07:47 <tmb> Luigi12, ah I see you have commented it current kernel update bug
20:08:01 <Luigi12_work> there's an early message from the kernel right after it loads about initiazling the SAS adapter or something like that, then normally the output from the init sequence would show on the screen and eventually the login prompt, but now the display is frozen with just that one early kernel message
20:08:12 <MrsB> Shall we move on, let you two chat about that after the meeting
20:08:15 <Luigi12_work> tmb: yeah I commented it there and filed it previously as Bug 13098
20:08:17 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13098 normal, Normal, tmb, NEW , kernel on Mageia 4 does not do KMS properly on Dell PowerEdge R610, kernel
20:08:33 <Luigi12_work> ok, I guess the roundup is done if there's no questions for me
20:08:38 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:08:48 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:09:03 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:09:08 <lewyssmith> Not here. I'm off. Bonne nuit.
20:09:30 <MrsB> whoosh!
20:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:51 <wilcal> No from me
20:09:54 <MrsB> wilcal, RemyServices anybody?
20:10:08 <MrsB> T-5
20:10:09 <wilcal> I'm off to lunch in a min
20:10:13 <MrsB> 4
20:10:16 <MrsB> 3
20:10:18 <MrsB> 2
20:10:21 <MrsB> 1
20:10:24 <RemyServices> nope, ill get testing again, sorry for the lax help over the last few weeks
20:10:28 <MrsB> Thanks for coming everybody!
20:10:36 <MrsB> look forward to it RemyServices :)
20:10:41 <MrsB> #endmeeting