19:06:11 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:06:11 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 24 19:06:11 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:11 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:24 <MrsB> Hi guys, welcome to another meeting 19:06:42 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins wilcal 19:06:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB wilcal 19:06:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are joining the team then come and say hello 19:06:50 <MrsB> thanks 19:06:57 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? 19:07:12 <MrsB> looking at the list it doesn't seem so 19:07:31 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Plans/Budget for Mageia 5 and beyond - If we need any? Have a think.Plans/Budget for Mageia 5 and beyond - If we need any? Have a think. 19:07:55 <MrsB> This is an interesting one 19:08:04 <DavidWHodgins> I expect just to continue on as we have in the past. 19:08:31 <lewyssmith> If it works, don't fix it. 19:08:33 <wilcal> Maybe some kind of plan to integrate some kind of autotesting into M5 19:08:55 <MrsB> We've been asked to come up with a list of any budgetary needs and our plans for the future 19:09:19 <Kernewes> I'd say we've got more personnel needs than budgetary needs 19:09:20 <DavidWHodgins> That can only be done for a small number of packages, that have fixed input/output expectations. 19:09:40 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: 19:09:45 <wilcal> Wow! a management asking QA for what it wants to spend money on. That's unusual 19:09:45 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: 19:09:50 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Agreed 19:10:19 <MrsB> I would like to at least assess where automation could play a part 19:10:28 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry for the mis hitting the enter key, instead of the shift key. 19:10:28 <Kernewes> and any plans for the future will depend on having enough people capable of doing them 19:10:36 <MrsB> Alot of server stuff could be automated 19:10:48 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: you could have blamed the cat for that 19:10:50 <wilcal> autotesting should mitigate the need for more testers 19:10:55 <DavidWHodgins> Lol 19:11:31 <MrsB> It's been rather quiet here recently, I thought you'd all given up 19:11:52 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It does not help on the hardware variety need. 19:12:13 <Kernewes> MrsB: been either too busy or too tired or both 19:12:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Automated testing requires a lot of maintenance of the testing procedures, which given the wid variety of software we have to test, would actually slow things down. 19:12:43 <wilcal> I could share some interesting stories about automated testing big time 19:13:14 <MrsB> Unfortunately people aren't committing to testing the updates, there is alot I'm having to do alone 19:13:17 <wilcal> FWIW I worked on a tiny piece of automatic testing equipment that was used in the Apollo program 19:13:26 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Me too. That's why I don't think it would be of much use to us. 19:13:51 <MrsB> that's quite a claim to fame wilcal 19:13:54 <wilcal> Autotesting has to be software based and portable 19:14:01 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I have been picking at all that I can or ca undsestand. 19:14:14 <Kernewes> my grandmother had a wartime evacuee who went on to work at NASA 19:14:16 <wilcal> Yep it was an intersting part of my life going to school and working at the same time 19:14:19 <DavidWHodgins> I used bts for testing IMS db/dc software, but that was with a fixed screen size. 19:14:27 <DavidWHodgins> And no mouse. 19:14:30 <wilcal> Working at NASA is hugely boring 19:14:42 <MrsB> Alot of our testing is done in a terminal anyway 19:14:45 <wilcal> the fun jobs are at the subcontractors I was at QE/MIT 19:14:49 <wilcal> GE/MIT 19:15:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: speak for yourself 19:15:47 <MrsB> I do most of it via ssh 19:16:02 <Kernewes> MrsB: why do you have to do it quietly? 19:16:15 <MrsB> stiff upper lip :P 19:16:23 <wilcal> We/I built some autotesting into some of the systems when I was at GeneralAtomics 72 -> 80 19:16:43 <DavidWHodgins> Anyways, I don't thing the qa team needs any changes for m5, other then trying to get more people involved on a regular basis. 19:16:47 <wilcal> All software testing the hardware it was on 19:16:57 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: +1 19:17:11 <MrsB> I've never used/seen autotesting but I've seen it being used in other distros 19:17:35 <wilcal> I'm sure RedHat uses it somewhere 19:17:48 <DavidWHodgins> Only for some packages. Not for everything distributed by the distro. 19:17:49 <wilcal> I should ask on the Fedora forums 19:17:50 <MrsB> opensuse, ubuntu etc 19:17:55 <MrsB> fedora yeah 19:18:18 <wilcal> I should poke around there a little 19:18:22 <MrsB> not everything maybe, but that shouldn't exclude what can be 19:18:34 <DavidWHodgins> True. 19:19:19 <MrsB> the fact is that we need to grow, we need to be scalable and we've so far been unable to multiply the numbers - in fact shrinking this year 19:19:42 <philippem> could certainly be done for some part of iso testing, but not for QA after a release IMHO 19:19:42 <lewyssmith> Perilously few. 19:19:49 <DavidWHodgins> Auto testing isn't that hard for cli only programs, but as soon as you add a gui, with multiple resolutions available, it becomes much more of a nightmare. 19:20:18 <MrsB> QA of stable updates is where I was thinking it would be most useful 19:20:37 <MrsB> stable by definition menas they shouldn't change much 19:20:44 <DavidWHodgins> And waiting for the auto testing to run would slow down making the iso images available to the qa iso testers. 19:21:12 <philippem> depend of the gui, I did automated testing for a java swing application with robotframework 19:21:15 <wilcal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA 19:21:36 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: We need to know that the things basically work. 19:22:02 <philippem> "We're working on replacing this project with Taskotron. AutoQA is no longer being developed." 19:22:25 <philippem> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Taskotron 19:22:25 <wilcal> They are about where we are :-)) 19:22:30 <MrsB> I think initially it's not unrealistic to look at automating or semi automating server type stuff and anything which could be tested in a terminal 19:22:42 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but that's why we test. Automating it would not speed things up in my opinion, as it would be on very limited hardware varieties. 19:22:54 <MrsB> it is now anyway 19:23:08 <Kernewes> would autotesting iso images establish whether they would boot before they were handed over to QA? 19:23:24 <lewyssmith> Good point. 19:23:37 <MrsB> that's the kind of thing we need to be looking at Kernewes 19:23:42 <DavidWHodgins> It could, but that would also slow things down when they do boot ok. 19:24:29 <MrsB> For now though I think we should concentrate on stable updates 19:24:34 <Kernewes> one thing's for sure, there are no easy answers 19:24:57 <MrsB> I don't know what kind of systems are available for doing it, and what the hardware requirements would be 19:25:00 <wilcal> I agree Kern 19:25:35 <MrsB> maybe even a set of bash scripts would help 19:25:50 <wilcal> That would be a start 19:26:05 <Kernewes> I'm still in favour of extending the release cycle to 12 months and adding the extra time in the later stages 19:26:06 <MrsB> As far as what hardware would be needed, I don't really know 19:26:11 <DavidWHodgins> We have a few in the wiki, such as kolab already. 19:26:42 <DavidWHodgins> We've only done that for very complicated tests. 19:26:45 <wilcal> You test hardware by timing it and making sure it resonds as expected 19:26:59 <MrsB> a VM? set of VMs? a QA server? maybe there is somethign which could run tests on users systems in an automated way? 19:28:06 <DavidWHodgins> Anything with a gui is affected by screen resolutions, which can put text fields in different locations/order. 19:28:28 <MrsB> Wouldn't a VM be able to set a resolution though 19:28:44 <DavidWHodgins> Not beyond what the host supports. 19:28:44 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: And GUI is the order of the day. 19:28:53 <MrsB> i know some auto stuff can search for parts of an image 19:29:41 <DavidWHodgins> All auto testing software I've looked at assumes the field order will remain the same. 19:30:54 <MrsB> It's somethign we can no longer afford to ignore. Carrying on as we are is becoming less gradually less attractive as the list and workload grows 19:31:02 <DavidWHodgins> It uses tabs, instead of mouse clicks to move from one field to the next. 19:31:59 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, shall we move on? 19:32:06 <lewyssmith> Please. 19:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates 19:32:31 <wilcal> I've three preprepared questions :-)) 19:32:49 <wilcal> updates questions 19:32:52 <MrsB> So I'll email council and say we'd like auto testing but not sure our requirements 19:33:03 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan 19:33:33 <Kernewes> ok 19:33:53 <MrsB> So, updates.. 19:34:03 <lewyssmith> Bill? 19:34:12 <wilcal> Many thanks to Claire on: 19:34:13 <wilcal> couchdb new security issue CVE-2014-2668 19:34:15 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13220 19:34:15 <tmb> MrsB, well, someone needs to do the work to set it up too... and no it's not depending on sysadmins... it needs someone with time and interest to set up autotesting... 19:34:16 <wilcal> I was about to spend a day on figuring out what I was doing wrong. 19:34:16 <[mbot> Bug 13220: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , couchdb new security issue CVE-2014-2668, couchdb-1.4.0-3.mga5.src.rpm 19:34:36 <MrsB> tmb it does but if not just sysadmins then who? 19:34:40 <wilcal> I'm not sure what's next there with couchdb 19:34:49 <wilcal> is that an important app? 19:35:31 <tmb> MrsB, anyone that can set up an autotesting rig 19:35:41 <MrsB> anyone with a rig, yeah 19:35:49 <MrsB> and sysadmin time to do so 19:36:35 <tmb> well, the rig is basically any workstation/laptop runnin VMs 19:37:01 <MrsB> that's one solution, yes 19:37:51 <lewyssmith> Bill (2) ? 19:38:26 <wilcal> Is this enough testing to push this one: 19:38:26 <wilcal> wireshark new bugfix release 1.8.14 19:38:27 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 19:38:29 <[mbot> Bug 13254: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , wireshark new bugfix release 1.8.14, wireshark-1.8.13-1.mga3.src.rpm 19:38:38 <wilcal> I can go on to testing M4 if it is 19:39:01 <DavidWHodgins> for bug 13220, m3 should not be pushed before m4, as that would likely create upgrade problems. 19:39:03 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13220 major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , couchdb new security issue CVE-2014-2668, couchdb-1.4.0-3.mga5.src.rpm 19:39:16 <MrsB> mga4 is a newer version Dave 19:39:19 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: that should be sufficient for wireshark M3, go ahead and validate that and move onto M4 19:39:31 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I can try 64-bit if I had a clue. 19:39:32 <wilcal> thks luigi 19:39:41 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Ok. Thanks. Hadn't checked yet. 19:39:57 <Luigi12_work> as for couchdb, I don't like fixing a security bug in an older release that's unfixed in the newer one, regardless of if it causes any package upgrade issues 19:40:09 <Luigi12_work> just need to do another call for help on the dev ml to try to get that one fixed 19:40:57 <Luigi12_work> I plan to send that out tomorrow 19:41:09 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi 19:41:18 <MrsB> ok, I added nicolas as he fixed it the last time 19:41:24 <wilcal> Seems like I opened an old sore there 19:41:37 <DavidWHodgins> I think we're raeady to move on to the next topic, as we already seem to be into it. 19:41:43 <wilcal> One more here 19:41:52 <wilcal> And again 19:41:53 <Luigi12_work> I guess there's still an issue in Bugzilla too, so I'll include that in the mail 19:41:54 <wilcal> Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically...... 19:41:55 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 19:41:56 <[mbot> Bug 12781: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer 19:41:57 <wilcal> IMO is really ready to go. Somebody else other then 19:41:58 <wilcal> myself needs to test it. I've been using it for weeks now. 19:42:19 <MrsB> any volunteers? 19:42:29 <Luigi12_work> if it works for you and nobody else has bothered to test it for weeks, maybe we can ship it? 19:42:43 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try and get to it, but probably not before tomorrow. 19:42:46 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Sorry, no network. 19:43:17 <philippem> for information https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13251 will be ready soon, I'm on it now 19:43:18 <[mbot> Bug 13251: major, Normal, makowski.mageia, NEW , python-django new security issues CVE-2014-047[2-4], python-django-1.6.2-1.mga5.src.rpm 19:43:25 <Luigi12_work> philippem: thanks 19:43:26 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: You can use a vb guest with a bridged network connection, to simulate a network. 19:43:40 <lewyssmith> One day perhaps. 19:43:52 <wilcal> I thought the Vbox testing last weekend was supurb 19:44:09 <MrsB> yeah, that one flew out :) 19:44:13 <Luigi12_work> yeah it was nice that it actually worked this time :o) 19:44:18 <wilcal> Works too :-)) 19:44:39 <wilcal> Lotta baseball games on TV for me 19:44:40 <DavidWHodgins> I've been pretty much out of it, since Saturday, due to health problems, but am starting to feel better again. 19:44:54 <MrsB> don't overdo things Dave 19:45:00 <wilcal> We need ya David be well 19:45:11 <Kernewes> that's my problem too, can't overdo things or my health suffers 19:45:22 <MrsB> having said that though, kernels just landed :D 19:45:27 <DavidWHodgins> I'm limiting myself to no more that 2 hours on the computer, at a time. 19:45:33 <wilcal> Ya I saw that 19:45:43 <wilcal> test lots of different ways 19:45:46 <Luigi12_work> there's a kernel of truth in there somewhere 19:45:59 <DavidWHodgins> Is that only for m4, or m3 too (haven't looked yet). 19:46:05 <Luigi12_work> m4 for now 19:46:17 <wilcal> I test sometimes on real hardware by using the Live media makes it easy 19:46:42 * Luigi12_work is ready to spray some roundup 19:46:46 <DavidWHodgins> Only if you have enough ram to install all of the updates. 19:46:49 <Luigi12_work> what is that, weed killer? 19:46:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:47:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:47:18 <Luigi12_work> reminds me of the security updates list, constantly growing like a weed 19:47:24 <MrsB> :( 19:47:47 <Luigi12_work> indeed, MrsB has been doing an amazing job with it, with some help from rindolf and wilcal and others 19:47:54 <MrsB> we're doing ok keeping on top of security updates but bugfixes are suffering at the moment 19:47:58 <wilcal> Security updates on list now is pretty low 19:48:03 <Luigi12_work> yeah 19:48:10 <Luigi12_work> well hopefully there won't be another flurry next week 19:48:22 <Luigi12_work> doktor5000 is working on the postgresql updates 19:48:32 <wilcal> The heartbleed thing is behind us for sure 19:48:38 <MrsB> there's a weeks worth of work 19:48:52 <Luigi12_work> prosody/lua-expat and wordpress really need a look from some other devs 19:48:57 <MrsB> 4 versions now isn't it? 19:48:59 <Luigi12_work> I could really use some help with qemu too 19:49:18 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: yeah, the postgresqls are crazy...we really need to trim the supported set down at some point 19:49:32 <Luigi12_work> as philippem said, python-django will be coming back to QA soon 19:49:47 <Luigi12_work> and MariaDB 5.5.37 is out, so we will need to update that at some point 19:49:52 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have right now 19:50:01 <DavidWHodgins> Were new certs issued for the Mageia servers? Finally figured out yesterday, that's why I was having trouble getting konversation to connect to freenode, or at least that's what I think caused me not to be able to connect for a couple of days. 19:50:01 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 needs some help with couchdb, prosody/lua-expat and wordpress 19:50:19 <Luigi12_work> and bugzilla and qemu 19:50:35 <MrsB> #info postgresql x 4 coming and python(3)-django 19:50:50 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, nope, Mageia servers are running older unaffected ssl 19:50:52 <wilcal> is couchdb a terribly important app? 19:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Ok. Thanks. 19:51:13 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: I don't believe so 19:51:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: All apps are important for those that use them. 19:51:24 <MrsB> i guess it is if you use it 19:51:36 <wilcal> that's why not much effect cuz it don't work in M4 19:51:39 <Luigi12_work> true, and a pretty easy one to exploit 19:52:10 <MrsB> we didn't seem vulnerable, unless it needed some config beforehand 19:52:19 <wilcal> Kinda get'n news overload here in the states on heartbleed 19:52:38 <MrsB> or I'm confusing it with another one :\ 19:52:49 <Luigi12_work> that was cups 19:52:54 * wordgazer is overloaded with h/bleed during work time... :-( 19:53:04 <Luigi12_work> wordgazer: my heart bleeds for you 19:53:07 <wordgazer> lol 19:53:14 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 19:53:18 <DavidWHodgins> Regarding heartbleed. http://blog.freenode.net/ 19:53:19 <[mbot> [ staffblog | Trying to prove we are human, too ] 19:53:22 <wilcal> Not from me Luigi 19:53:31 <MrsB> All good, thanks Luigi12_work 19:53:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:53:54 <MrsB> dude :) 19:53:59 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:53:59 <lewyssmith> Please. 19:54:03 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 19:54:09 <wilcal> Not from me 19:54:12 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Go ahead 19:54:12 <MrsB> go ahead lewis 19:54:13 <Kernewes> nor me 19:54:16 * wordgazer was able to get vmware working in mga4 19:54:28 <wilcal> wow word 19:54:47 <wordgazer> solution was to install 9.0.3 19:54:57 <lewyssmith> Bug 13258; what the hell is Delete an event from the plasmoid's list in reverse order about? 19:54:59 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , plasma-applet-eventlist - new version 0.6.97 fixes bug in remove items, plasma-applet-eventlist-0.6.96-2.mga4.src.rpm 19:55:00 <wordgazer> older versions don't work 19:55:21 <MrsB> I guess it means delete from the oldest first 19:55:34 <lewyssmith> i.e. What are plasmoids? 19:55:47 <MrsB> the kde applets that sit on your desktop or taskbar 19:55:57 <DavidWHodgins> kde terminology for things that run on the desktop 19:56:01 <lewyssmith> If I ever meet one on a dark night, god help it. 19:56:08 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:56:25 <lewyssmith> So what is the plasmoid list? 19:56:31 <MrsB> if you unlock your desktop or panel you can add widgets, they are called plasmoids after the kde plasma desktop 19:56:43 <lewyssmith> And? 19:56:50 <MrsB> and what? 19:56:55 <wilcal> plasmoid sounds like something medical 19:57:13 <DavidWHodgins> Blood extract. :-) 19:57:17 <Kernewes> wilcal: well this is an "operating" system 19:57:18 <wordgazer> or trekkie 19:57:23 <lewyssmith> Wanting to test this thing, it is meaningless to me. That' all. 19:57:46 <MrsB> well the widgets come in packages called plasma-applet-whatever 19:57:47 <wilcal> not with "heartbleed" 19:57:57 <MrsB> this is for one called eventlist 19:58:06 <lewyssmith> Aah! 19:58:07 <MrsB> I'm not sure what events it lists though 19:58:28 <DavidWHodgins> That's a new one to me too. 19:58:38 <lewyssmith> That is a useful clue. Thanks. 19:58:41 <MrsB> making a bit of sense now lewis? 19:58:45 <Kernewes> so how do we know what order they should be in? 19:59:27 <lewyssmith> Bug 12977: tried that at install/update only, need feedback. 19:59:27 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12977 critical, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , audit initscript causes ordering cycles at boot leading to dbus+NetworkManager failure incl. KDE plasma applet crashes, auditd 19:59:27 <DavidWHodgins> Experiment with it before installing the updates testing version, and see if it changes after installing the update. 19:59:40 <MrsB> "Delete an event from the plasmoid's list in reverse order" I guess means delete the oldest event first, you'd need to experiment 19:59:57 <lewyssmith> I'll look at it. 20:00:13 <MrsB> I don't think we've come across it before so it's something new to all of us 20:00:50 <DavidWHodgins> I don't recall every seeing a plasmoid update before, except when it was a full kde update. 20:01:00 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: you're the guinea pig :) 20:01:11 <MrsB> we had one for networkmanager applet before 20:01:25 <lewyssmith> Bug 13083: what is going to happen about that? 20:01:26 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13083 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update cups-drivers-splix (see Fedora, Ubuntu, Arch Linux), cups-drivers-splix-2.0.0-6.mga4.src.rpm 20:01:33 <DavidWHodgins> That's a gnome applet, not a kde plasmoid. 20:01:46 <MrsB> no, it was mga2 i think, kde 20:02:36 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: If we can't get anyone with the appropriate hardware to help test it, we can only test that installs cleanly, and cups still runs. 20:03:07 <MrsB> It doesn't look as if we're able to find people with those printers so just ensure there are no regressions and packages install cleanly 20:03:14 <MrsB> oh snap 20:03:24 <wilcal> sounds like a plan to me 20:03:25 <lewyssmith> So can it be OK'd? 20:03:28 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:03:35 <tmb> cracle ... pop ... 20:04:00 <MrsB> if the packages install ok and printing still works ok then yeah 20:04:00 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes 20:04:32 <MrsB> snap crackle pop, haven't heard that for years tmb :D 20:04:37 <wilcal> even if it's broke it's not our deal it's upstream 20:04:43 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:04:45 <lewyssmith> It would be better if another person tried it. 20:04:52 <Kernewes> MrsB: I had those for breakfast on Sunday 20:05:05 * MrsB jealous of fancy brekky 20:05:05 <lewyssmith> I did install & upgrade it OK. But not use it. 20:05:30 <MrsB> check you can still print ok lewis and if so then that's all we can test 20:05:36 <Kernewes> MrsB: why? 20:06:05 <lewyssmith> I'll OK it. 20:06:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 20:06:51 <wilcal> Not from me 20:06:58 <Kernewes> not from me 20:07:03 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. Ready to back to sleep for another few hours. 20:07:10 <lewyssmith> No. 20:07:11 <wordgazer> nope 20:07:23 <MrsB> If you get stuck or don't know how to test something please email qa-d about it or ask here 20:07:39 <lewyssmith> I seldom find anyone in. 20:07:47 <Kernewes> I'll have a look over the weekend 20:07:54 <wilcal> ya gotta hang in here awhile sometimes 20:08:05 <MrsB> email the list lewis if there is nobody on here when you come 20:08:07 <DavidWHodgins> I've been sleeping at least 16 hours a day, since Saturday. 20:08:14 <Kernewes> wish I could 20:08:15 <wilcal> also 8PM california time is like 3AM European time 20:08:44 <MrsB> T-5 then 20:08:50 <MrsB> thankyou all for comeing :) 20:08:52 <MrsB> 4 20:08:54 <MrsB> 3 20:08:56 <MrsB> 2 20:08:56 <Kernewes> MrsB: thank you 20:08:57 <lewyssmith> Bonne nuit. 20:08:58 <MrsB> 1 20:09:01 <MrsB> #endmeeting