19:04:41 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:04:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Apr 3 19:04:41 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:51 <MrsB> Hi all welcome to a bit of a wobbly meeting 19:05:10 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:05:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:05:13 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? If you are new then come & meet the team 19:05:22 <MrsB> thanks 19:05:27 <MrsB> Is there anybody new today? 19:05:49 <MrsB> Hoped kedar would come today 19:06:05 <MrsB> did i get the name right? 19:06:13 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:06:22 <MrsB> oh well :) 19:06:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates 19:06:53 <MrsB> We have a big bunch of updates at the moment 19:06:56 <MrsB> morning wilcal 19:06:57 <Kernewes> wilcal: you're late :( 19:06:59 <wilcal> better late then never 19:07:02 <lewyssmith> Hello Bill. what kept you? 19:07:04 <Kernewes> wilcal: yep 19:07:04 <wilcal> Got involved 19:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> After the meeting, I'll concentrate on adding the advisories to svn first, then testing. 19:07:32 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Will you have time after the meeting to learn how to add advisories? 19:07:33 <MrsB> We need to get cracking with them and get back on top of things so we can move on to ISOs again 19:07:37 <Kernewes> this week I've had the means and the motive but not the opportunity :( 19:08:01 <Kernewes> hopefully I can do some this weekend 19:08:05 <lewyssmith> Too many of them are problematic. 19:08:07 <wilcal> tested update for assaultcube and ended up wasting a bunch of time :-)) 19:08:07 <MrsB> Anybody want to ask anything ? 19:08:20 <wilcal> same thing with xomotic 19:08:24 <Kernewes> MrsB: I don't know till I start trying one 19:08:34 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith asked me about cups-filters, I think to use the filters affected by the update, you need one of a small list of printers, which are mostly Canon (which hopefully nobody has), for one of the filters, and need to be able to use AirPrint from an iPhone/iPad for the other one 19:09:00 <Kernewes> that's the trouble, if you run into difficulties that need sorting out, that's your testing time gone 19:09:05 <Luigi12_work> for Squid, just make sure HTTPS through Squid works unless you really want to try to play with SSL Bump. 19:09:06 <wilcal> Wish I could help on the cups thingy I only have an HP 19:09:11 <lewyssmith> This is one of the enigmatic ones. 19:09:25 <Kernewes> I only have an HP too 19:09:38 <Luigi12_work> anyone have an iPhone/iPad? 19:09:42 <DavidWHodgins> I have a canon mp150 scanner/printer, but no ink in it. 19:09:43 <MrsB> so we need to email for help with cups-filters 19:09:56 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: I have no idea how to set up the squid thing. Looked at it. 19:10:06 <MrsB> #action MrsB to email for help with cups-filters 19:10:06 <Luigi12_work> or just test that it installs, since the patch for cups-filters is really minimal anyway 19:10:08 <DavidWHodgins> No apple stuff here. 19:10:34 <MrsB> anything else that jumps out at you? 19:10:37 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: Squid is trivial, install it, start the service, configure your browser to use the machine running Squid as its proxy (port 3128) and do some web browsing 19:10:38 <wilcal> If anyone tests the CUPS thing try 19:10:39 <MrsB> morning dvg_l 19:10:40 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 19:10:41 <[mbot> Bug 12781: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer 19:10:41 <wilcal> update too that should be ok now. 19:10:46 <Kernewes> what's that ffdiorama or whatever? 19:11:02 <MrsB> good question 19:11:07 <Luigi12_work> a2ps is already tested and ready for validation 19:11:11 <wilcal> It's a video "editor" 32-bit seemed ok but the 64-bit had the problem 19:11:16 <wilcal> update fixed it 19:11:34 <MrsB> that sounds easyish then 19:11:45 <rindolf> Oh, sorry for having missed the start of the meeting. 19:11:46 <Kernewes> wilcal: I don't do video, you're the expert on that sort of stuff 19:11:50 <wilcal> Was pretty easy. OK to push that MrsB 19:11:52 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Can you do that squid thing one 1 box? 19:12:10 <dvg_i> sorry i'm late! 19:12:27 <MrsB> hi dvg_i 19:12:33 <lewyssmith> a2ps only show i586 in the bug, but I tested x64. 19:12:39 <MrsB> we're half way through already, on a roll today! 19:13:00 <diogenese> :) 19:13:21 <lewyssmith> No. 13014 has kept people away for a long time. 19:13:23 <MrsB> There are a few ready to push by the looks of it, well done :) 19:14:10 <lewyssmith> setup the mail system using amavisd and clamd for virus 2. send/receive mail 19:14:16 <DavidWHodgins> I'll do those advisories first (right after the meeting). 19:14:17 <lewyssmith> Easier said than done. 19:14:19 <MrsB> amavisd as people have said it fixes the issue I think we can just do basic tests 19:14:56 <MrsB> make sure it installs/updates/no packaging errors etc and starts/stops if it has one 19:14:56 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: yes you can do it on one box, use localhost as the proxy then 19:15:16 <lewyssmith> I repeat what I said above about amavisd. 19:15:41 * MrsB points to 3 lines up 19:16:24 <lewyssmith> OK. But the bug has better info about what to look for. 19:16:42 <MrsB> yes, feel free to dig into it if you want to 19:18:00 <MrsB> anything else on the huge-list-of-updates ? 19:18:26 <wilcal> Keep plug'n 19:18:51 <lewyssmith> Yes. 13032. It did not work for me. Can someone else try it? 19:18:51 <MrsB> yes, please do though, we seem to be getting more added than validated at the moment 19:19:06 <MrsB> bug 13032 19:19:07 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13032 minor, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [enlightenment] update e from 0.17.5 to 0.17.6, e-0.17.5-1.mga4.src.rpm 19:19:34 <lewyssmith> It is easy to try. Just install & use. 19:19:40 <wilcal> we're you on hardware or Vbox? 19:19:49 <lewyssmith> Real h/w always. 19:19:52 <MrsB> #info lewis asked that somebody else try enlightment mga#13032 19:20:07 <lewyssmith> I noted in the bug. 19:20:12 <Kernewes> I'll have a go, although I'm not familiar with enlightenment 19:20:24 <lewyssmith> It is interesting... 19:20:32 <wilcal> It's another GUI like Gnome right? 19:20:34 <MrsB> it's quite nice, flashy 19:20:42 * Kernewes doesn't do flashy 19:20:48 <lewyssmith> No, it is horrid! 19:20:53 <Kernewes> I love Terminology though 19:20:54 <MrsB> you don't have to stick with it, just test it 19:21:16 <Kernewes> MrsB: yes, I can do that 19:21:20 <MrsB> :) 19:21:25 <MrsB> thanks 19:21:27 <Kernewes> got a tutorial in a magazine somewhere I think 19:21:44 <MrsB> it's as easy to use as any other DE really 19:21:56 <lewyssmith> You do not need one to see if it works. Just play. 19:22:23 <MrsB> remember to install with task-e17 19:22:32 <MrsB> then install the updated packages 19:22:40 <Kernewes> yes, I always use the full task too not the minimal one 19:22:41 <DavidWHodgins> With some of the desktop managers, there is no menu. You have to right click on the desktop to select applications to run. 19:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> no menu icon, I should have said. 19:23:09 <MrsB> enlightenment has one though i think 19:23:20 <Kernewes> I've tried so many desktops now, I just start left- and right-clicking knowing I'll find some menu I want somewhere 19:23:32 <MrsB> that's the best way ! 19:23:35 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:23:41 <lewyssmith> I installed the update directly, rather than the Release one then update. 19:23:57 <lewyssmith> But that was not a good idea. 19:24:13 * Kernewes agrees 19:24:38 <lewyssmith> I had tested the previous update, so knew it worked. 19:24:40 <MrsB> always best to see if you can reproduce any bug, it's often difficult to do though. Still we can check the update process itself works ok though. 19:24:58 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: oh I see 19:24:59 <DavidWHodgins> Always best to install the release/updates version, then the updates_testing version, to ensure it updates properly. 19:25:13 <sebsebseb> hi 19:25:18 <lewyssmith> Humbly agree. 19:25:18 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: hi 19:25:19 <MrsB> morning sebsebseb 19:25:23 <sebsebseb> evening MrsB 19:25:30 <sebsebseb> oh computers can be in two IRC meetings at once Atelier/web and this :d 19:25:36 <MrsB> Anything else for updates? 19:25:39 <wilcal> Hi ya sebsebseb 19:25:47 <sebsebseb> wilcal: bonjour 19:25:51 * MrsB has dinner going cold on the side :( 19:26:00 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:26:12 * Kernewes eats MrsB's dinner for her 19:26:12 <MrsB> Your go Luigi12_work :) 19:26:30 * MrsB mutters rude words 19:26:34 <dvg_i> if you type with your mouth full we won't tell 19:27:06 <MrsB> could maybe manage a sausage and typing \o/ 19:27:10 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Any luck getting matches under some of the developers? 19:27:21 <Luigi12_work> I'm here, sorry 19:27:33 <Kernewes> Luigi12_work: if not, try gunpowder 19:27:55 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: no not really, although pterjan packaged the rails update, but that's it 19:28:22 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: But that would do for them. 19:28:26 <MrsB> It was going to be discussed at the packagers meeting wasn't it but it never happened in the end 19:29:00 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: and of course, if we push them too hard that'll be more updates to test 19:29:04 <Luigi12_work> still waiting on remmy for fail2ban and coincoin for boinc-client and funda for postgresql and oden for asterisk (he'll be back next week) and alfonso for tigervnc 19:29:40 <Luigi12_work> we might have libvirt and qemu updates at some point, but nothing else currently in the pipeline 19:29:44 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: I had thought of that too. 19:29:49 <MrsB> Try a big obvious email titled something like "Action Needed: Security updates" 19:30:00 <Luigi12_work> highest priority update right now is actually the libzip update, which is just a bugfix update 19:30:04 <wilcal> maybe a little time to catch up a little 19:30:13 <DavidWHodgins> There was a tigervnc update in updates_testing yesterday. 19:30:15 <Luigi12_work> but since you can cause httpd crashes remotely by using things that use php-zip, it could be considered a security bug 19:30:31 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: yes but the tigervnc update in mga4 updates_testing wasn't also patched in Cauldron or mga3 19:30:47 <DavidWHodgins> Oh, ok. 19:30:47 <MrsB> d'oh 19:30:57 <Luigi12_work> anyway you can test libzip just as I did by doing a backup of a course in Moodle, or anything else using php-zip 19:31:22 <lewyssmith> Why shoult it crash httpd? 19:31:22 <Luigi12_work> other than that, not much to say about the current update candidates 19:31:36 <MrsB> #info php-zip can be tested by doing a backup of a course in moodle 19:31:36 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 19:31:42 <wilcal> Not here 19:31:45 <Kernewes> no 19:31:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:31:56 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work :) 19:31:58 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: s/php-zip/libzip/ although technically correct it's for the libzip update 19:32:12 <Luigi12_work> and php-zip uses libzip, so it's a good way to test the issue 19:32:31 <MrsB> shall i redo it? 19:32:40 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: Apache httpd loads php as a module (mod_php), so if a php module crashes it takes down httpd with it 19:32:50 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: I'd recommend that, yes, just to be more clear 19:33:16 <MrsB> #info libzip (not php-zip) can be tested by doing a backup of a course in moodle 19:33:17 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: to be clear though it doesn't kill the web server since httpd uses child processes 19:33:45 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: so it's just that the page processing the zip file stops dead in its tracks since the process serving it died 19:34:03 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Is backup part of moodle itself? 19:34:04 <MrsB> you can see httpd crashes in /var/log/httpd/error_log 19:34:21 <Luigi12_work> you can also see them in /var/log/messages if you have rsyslog 19:34:30 <Luigi12_work> error_log actually doesn't help if you're working through https 19:34:41 <Luigi12_work> unfortunately someone disabled the ssl_error_log in mga4 19:34:49 <MrsB> ahh ok 19:34:59 <Luigi12_work> lewyssmith: yes, on the left side of the screen there's a link to Backup and a link to Restore 19:35:17 <lewyssmith> I have moodle installed, so will poke it. 19:35:27 <MrsB> go lewis \o/ 19:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> From the changelog, looks like we need to have it create a zip file over 4GB, to recreate the problem, before testing the update. 19:35:42 <lewyssmith> Ye Gods! 19:35:44 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: not so 19:35:58 <Luigi12_work> my courses are not nearly that large and it crashed every single time 19:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> Ok 19:36:22 <Luigi12_work> I don't think the changelog actually documented this specific issue 19:36:35 <MrsB> Is there anything else ? 19:36:41 <Kernewes> not here 19:36:47 <wilcal> I was able to install the latest DUAL 32-bit on my old SIS machine and that moved my print 19:36:48 <wilcal> server over to M4. So https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 should be fixed now 19:36:49 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 19:36:49 <[mbot> Bug 12781: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer 19:36:50 <wilcal> for M4. M3 works just fine as a print server and does not need to be updated for that. 19:37:34 <MrsB> #info looks like Bill's mga4 printing bug is fixed, please check and validate it 19:37:48 <lewyssmith> If you have a network... 19:37:55 <MrsB> yeah 19:37:57 <MrsB> or VM 19:37:59 <wilcal> I'd really feel comfortable is someone else would also give it a go 19:38:02 <lewyssmith> Neither. 19:38:11 <wilcal> if someone else 19:38:39 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 19:38:44 <wilcal> Not here 19:38:47 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: All you need is vb guests with bridged networking, instead of the default nat, so they can see the host and be seen by the host. 19:39:14 <rindolf> Nothing here either. 19:39:24 <rindolf> I'm cool. 19:39:43 <MrsB> #info When we get the updates back under control we will have another good look at 4.1 ISOs but please prioritise the updates at the moment. 19:39:44 <wilcal> I'm good 19:39:58 <lewyssmith> What remains for 4.1? 19:40:24 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: Any luck getting 4.1 to boot on those systems where 4.0 wouldn't? 19:40:28 <MrsB> Not sure, we'll need to check it, but for now updates is the main thing 19:40:44 <wilcal> I think just try DVD Classical Installer on different hardware 19:40:46 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: That has been confirmed fixed. 19:40:49 <MrsB> Yes, the isolinux thing seems fixed Dave 19:40:53 <wilcal> Real DVD 19:41:23 <MrsB> I had an issue with a GPU but I think it's compaq/hp nvidia oddity 19:41:44 <MrsB> Not looked at it again since with the list grown so big though 19:41:53 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should go ahead and release 4.1 then, but keep the 4.0 version available for download too. 19:42:03 <wilcal> Agreed to that 19:42:14 <lewyssmith> I thought it *was* released. 19:42:29 <Kernewes> wouldn't there be a blog post if it was released? 19:42:32 <MrsB> Your call then Dave, I've barely looked at it so if you're happy with it that's fine 19:42:39 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Nope. not yet. 19:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> It works fine on my system (as did 4.0), but I don't have a dvd drive. 19:43:12 <lewyssmith> I think there were a few pkg comments for the latest ISO. 19:43:27 <lewyssmith> Is it tmb who pounces? 19:43:50 <DavidWHodgins> He left instructions on the sysadmin mailing list, iirc. 19:43:55 <MrsB> yes he did 19:44:25 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: ping 19:44:36 <ennael> pong 19:44:46 <ennael> just back from real life :) 19:45:25 <DavidWHodgins> Let's release 4.1, but keep 4.0 available too, and make it clear that 4.1 is only needed for people using physical cd/dvds, where 4.0 wouldn't boot the installer. 19:45:46 <ennael> why so? 19:46:34 <DavidWHodgins> So people who have already installed 4.0, plus updates won't waste time downloading/installing 4.1 19:46:36 <rindolf> ennael: hi. 19:46:54 <Luigi12_work> didn't marja try a system that 4.0 didn't work on and 4.1 still didn't work? 19:46:59 <wilcal> There's no reason to re-install M4 with 4.1 media 19:47:09 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: I would say people who want to install mageia should take the 4.1 isos 19:47:11 <wilcal> Both install and update for me 19:47:15 <MrsB> I think she did, now you mention it Luigi12_work 19:47:19 <ennael> having both is confising 19:47:27 <ennael> confusing 19:47:48 <MrsB> One of the test3 ones which tmb made anyway, I don't think it was an actual 4.1 iso 19:47:51 <ennael> at least web site can propose only one iso version 19:48:15 <DavidWHodgins> Keeping 4.0 available, is because MrsB is reporting that there is a gpu problem with 4.1, on one of here systems. 19:48:35 <MrsB> No, I'm not sure Dave, didn't try it with 4.0 19:48:58 <MrsB> I've barely looked at 4.1, been doing other things and then updates 19:49:03 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. Then forget about keeping 4.0 available. 19:49:07 <ennael> well it's a bit thin to conclude :) 19:49:11 <ennael> ok 19:49:57 <DavidWHodgins> While it may not be working for marga, it seems to work for most people, that 4.0 didn't work for, so I think we should go ahead and release it. 19:50:05 <MrsB> We should be sure about the release, so we can either wait and test further or be certain it's good now and release now 19:51:39 <DavidWHodgins> With the updates taking priority right now, it could be a week or more, before we can get back to doing more testing on 4.1 19:51:46 <MrsB> yep 19:52:11 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: You're call. I'm in favour of going ahead with release. 19:52:33 <MrsB> lol that's not fair! 19:52:37 <ennael> :) 19:52:40 <MrsB> I've barely looked at it 19:52:43 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:52:52 <wilcal> Being In Charge is a tough job :-)) 19:52:53 * ennael looks at DavidWHodgins and MrsB playing ping pong 19:53:14 <MrsB> I was planning to leave it until after we'd brought updates back under control 19:53:22 <sebsebseb> 4.1 I Hope that will work nicely on my MUm's old lap top 19:53:35 <lewyssmith> Try it. 19:53:56 <sebsebseb> lewyssmith: uhmm I can't burnCD's easlly, and when I tried to do dd USB'sbefore uhmmm uh 19:53:58 <DavidWHodgins> MrsB: How about you concentrate on 4.1, and the rest of us on updates. 19:54:35 <sebsebseb> 4.1 should have all those isolinxux boot up issues fixied I think 19:54:39 <MrsB> Well, I can do that, yeah. 19:54:45 <sebsebseb> where it just does a errormessage, or a black screen 19:54:51 <sebsebseb> or doesn't boot the cd up at all 19:55:23 <MrsB> If it's up to me to make the call then I'll say wait. I can't say otherwise really. 19:55:24 <Kernewes> I haven't tested 4.1 yet, perhaps I could do that and Enlightenment update 19:55:55 <sebsebseb> if I could test 4.1 hmmm. all my computers withproper cd buners are broken. maybe I should just say to my brother can I borrow your burner? 19:55:58 <Kernewes> MrsB: can you e-mail me and remind me of the download details? 19:56:00 <sebsebseb> the disc copier 19:56:06 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Preferably from a read cd/dvd. 19:56:14 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: no probs 19:56:19 <MrsB> will do tmrw Kernewes 19:56:24 <sebsebseb> yes I Would like to test 4.1 myeslf to be honet on that old computer 19:56:26 <Kernewes> MrsB: thanks 19:56:32 <sebsebseb> before it's properly released,but see above 19:56:41 <Kernewes> which ones is it again, just classical? 19:56:43 <sebsebseb> oh andi t's the XP end of life ths coming up Tuesday 19:56:58 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: Yes. 19:57:07 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: Being a heavy smoker, with a cat, and living very close to a major traffic street, I've given up on optical drives. They rarely last more than 6 months here. 19:57:21 <wilcal> XP machines are good targets for DUAL 19:57:32 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Surprised you are still alive. 19:57:38 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:57:44 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: i thought I could burn with my extneral CD/DVD whtaever from two years ago, uhmmm it only put slightstuff to the discs, but that may not evenbe a proper burner, but I did try that recentlyish 19:57:50 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: you haven't heard the half of it with DavidWHodgins 19:57:55 <MrsB> OK so let's hold then and do some further testing of 4.1, we don't want to rush to release it and mess it up. If for no other reason than it's been a week or so since anybody tested it. 19:58:01 <diogenese> DavidWHodgins: I have an external burner I now keep in a plastic bag. :) 19:58:06 <sebsebseb> USB's are fine once you know how to use dd properly enough without issues, which canbe loads of issues first, or if not dd itself some sort of graphical user friendly tool to burn a USB 19:58:34 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: I'm a clean living god-fearing man; I don't want to know the rest. 19:58:40 <MrsB> Is there anything else else else ? 19:58:52 <sebsebseb> MrsB: yep that sounds good let Kernewes test it out first, and hopefully me to on that old computer, and then hpefuolly all ready to release :) 19:58:52 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: usbs are easier on my laptops, you practically have to turn them upside down to get at the DVD drives 19:59:03 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: it's not that bad, I mean the health issues 19:59:06 <DavidWHodgins> http://www.ody.ca/~dwhodgins/copyiso2usb 19:59:11 <lewyssmith> Ah. 19:59:16 * MrsB drools on cold dinner :( 19:59:34 <wilcal> dd if=/home/wilcal/databank/distros/mageia_4/Mageia-4-x86_64-DVD/Mageia-4-x86_64-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M 19:59:34 <Kernewes> MrsB: that was tasty, thanks, enjoy the leftovers :) 19:59:39 <MrsB> :P 19:59:40 <diogenese> MrsB: Do you own a microwave? 19:59:48 <Luigi12_work> meeting's over 19:59:52 <MrsB> yes but it makes soggy chips 19:59:54 <wilcal> Meetings over 20:00:08 <wilcal> Count it down MrsB 20:00:10 <sebsebseb> oh we are in anything else 20:00:13 <sebsebseb> anything ele uhmm sure kindof 20:00:13 <DavidWHodgins> I've was working on making it into an rpm package, but ran into some problems with internationalization, and haven't gotten back to it. 20:00:22 <Kernewes> wilcal: do you need the bs=1M. I never use that 20:00:28 <MrsB> Ok thanks for coming then everybody, please do get cracking on the updates, we're behind again 20:00:33 <MrsB> T-5 20:00:33 <wilcal> makes it a little faster 20:00:36 <MrsB> 4 20:00:37 <MrsB> 3 20:00:39 <MrsB> 2 20:00:40 <MrsB> 1 20:00:45 <MrsB> #endmeeting