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20:02:41 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal
20:02:41 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:02:48 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - if you are then come and say Hi
20:03:03 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who has not participated in a qa irc meeting before?
20:03:09 <wilcal> Does the bot automatically set the person who starts the meeting as Chair
20:03:16 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:03:19 <wilcal> thks
20:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> And only the chair can make someone else a chair, as far as I know.
20:04:02 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: yes I think so
20:04:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 4.1 - Status, issues, etc
20:04:58 <wilcal> Yes, I started a new bug for M4.1 this morning
20:05:32 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't been updating the pad yet, as I'm testing all iso images. So far, kde live x86-64 dvd, boot.iso, and x86_64 classic dvd. I haven't found any regressions so far.
20:05:43 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Which bug?
20:06:04 <wilcal> During M4.1 Classic Installer not understanding all terminal resolutions
20:06:05 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13012
20:06:06 <[mbot> Bug 13012: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , During M4.1 Classic Installer not understanding all terminal resolutions
20:06:18 <lewyssmith> I still have to start with the 64-bit Classic. Been very tied up lately.
20:06:20 <wilcal> Not a biggee but an issue
20:06:52 <wilcal> Can someone explain the major problem we're having here with M4.1 and creating a DVD install disc
20:07:12 <lewyssmith> I thought it was sorted.
20:07:19 <wilcal> I don't see the problem with a USB stick or in Vbox and I guess that's expected
20:07:20 <DavidWHodgins> That's an issue with vbox. I think the vbox additions limits the max size.
20:07:38 <wilcal> Very likely for sure a Vbox issue
20:07:52 <DavidWHodgins> Or it may be because the vboxguest module hasn't been loaded yet.
20:08:11 <wilcal> But all the live media work just fine
20:08:47 <DavidWHodgins> It can likely be fixed after install, if so, it should be added to the release notes.
20:08:49 <Kernewes> live KDE 64-bit went fine for me
20:08:51 <wilcal> And I don't think it's a problem on the M4.0 CI
20:09:04 <wilcal> I can fix it but it's a little funky
20:09:37 <wilcal> Live-DVD KDE 64-bit is golden
20:09:57 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure nonfree is enabled, and the appropriate vboxadditions package installed, and the vb modules loaded, then try XFdrake again.
20:10:11 <DavidWHodgins> minimize/maximize the vb guest first.
20:10:29 <wilcal> will do
20:11:07 <DavidWHodgins> With vb, usually best to set the resolution to automatic. Then changing the window size should change the resolution in the guest.
20:11:32 <wilcal> If I set it to automatic it picks 1600x1200 instead of 1920x1200
20:11:53 <wilcal> Live media picks 1920x1200
20:11:56 <DavidWHodgins> Try shrinking the vb guest window, then maximizing it.
20:12:06 <wilcal> OK
20:12:51 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, that's a bug that should really be reported upstream, as there is nothing our packagers can do about vb bugs.
20:13:16 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone found any other problems with 4.1?
20:13:36 <wilcal> Can someone explain the major problem we're having here with M4.1 and creating DVD install disc
20:13:59 <lewyssmith> I have been waiting for the classic DVD to be OK to test.
20:14:04 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: With some dvd drives, a properly burned dvd would not boot.
20:14:13 <wilcal> It's that basic
20:14:14 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: all  of the iso images are there now.
20:14:19 <wilcal> just won't boot at all
20:14:25 <lewyssmith> I know - fairly recent.
20:14:33 <wilcal> old drivers or new ones?
20:14:37 <wilcal> drives
20:14:56 <DavidWHodgins> It boots, then reboots, then reboots, etc., but  only on some drives. No idea about which drives are affected, and which are not.
20:14:57 <Kernewes> was that with lives or just classical?
20:15:09 <DavidWHodgins> All iso images were affected.
20:15:26 <lewyssmith> But is it not fixed now?
20:15:28 <wilcal> I've just not seen that here that's why I'm confused
20:15:43 <Kernewes> haven't checked live KDE 32-bit yet, will try to do that tomorrow
20:15:49 <DavidWHodgins> It was a problem in syslinux, which is what displays the menu at startup.
20:15:57 <Kernewes> 64-bit was fine from a DVD on my laptop
20:15:59 <wilcal> USB sticks are OK right?
20:16:20 <DavidWHodgins> According to the comments in the qa mailing list so far, everyone who has hardware that was affected, has found 4.1 to be ok.
20:16:27 <DavidWHodgins> usb sticks were not affected.
20:16:34 <lewyssmith> Yes. But for EFI we need the DVD.
20:17:08 <DavidWHodgins> You can use a usb stick for EFI, but you have to copy the contents of the iso image to a vfat partition on the usb stick.
20:17:27 <lewyssmith> We used to do that, but it became pass�
20:17:53 <lewyssmith> Once tmb made the DVD directly bootable.
20:18:26 <DavidWHodgins> I don't have an optical drive, so that's the only way I can test EFI. My system barely supports efi, and doesn't follow standards, so it's a pain to do on my system.
20:18:51 <lewyssmith> So leave it to us two who are stuck with it.
20:19:23 <DavidWHodgins> #info So far, it appears the booting from some dvd drives appears to be fixed. More testing of other iso images still required though.
20:20:04 <DavidWHodgins> #info No major regressions found yet with 4.1 iso images, though more testing still required.
20:20:46 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any other comments or questions about 4.1, before we go to the next topic?
20:20:53 <wilcal> I'm good
20:20:59 <lewyssmith> Not me.
20:21:12 * mga4gazer is trying to document a problem with audio
20:21:45 <lewyssmith> Trying to document - how?
20:21:48 <DavidWHodgins> New with 4.1, or did it exist with 4.0 as well?
20:22:03 <mga4gazer> yes both
20:22:30 <lewyssmith> So what is it?
20:22:38 <wilcal> I'm not having any (pulse)audio problems here on any of my systems
20:22:54 <DavidWHodgins> mga4gazer: Take a look at bug 11642
20:22:56 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11642 normal, Normal, mageia, RESOLVED INVALID, After install, pulseaudio configured to send sound to headphone jack, pulseaudio-5.0-0.20131010.3.mga4.src.rpm
20:23:02 * mga4gazer has one netbook which used to have working audio in mga2, at mga3 the problem started. my workaround was to install kernel 3.3.6 from mga 2
20:23:30 <mga4gazer> so, I am trying to document it using recordmydesktop
20:23:51 <lewyssmith> Ah.
20:23:52 <DavidWHodgins> So it's using built in speakers, not external speakers?
20:24:09 <mga4gazer> make no difference
20:24:53 <DavidWHodgins> Right click on the kmix volume icon, then select audio setup
20:25:02 * mga4gazer has recorded the working mga 3 version (on old disk) and will attempt to record with 4.1 showing the issue
20:25:31 <DavidWHodgins> Select the auti hardware setup tab.
20:25:40 <DavidWHodgins> s /auti/audio/
20:25:54 * mga4gazer in mate just now..will try the kmix tip. Tnx david_david
20:25:56 <mga4gazer> oopsie
20:25:59 <DavidWHodgins> Check to see if it's connector is set to line out or headphones.
20:26:06 * mga4gazer in mate just now..will try the kmix tip. Tnx DavidWHodgins
20:26:12 <lewyssmith> If it is a hard fault, does it warrant a bug?
20:27:06 <mga4gazer> not sure what software is the root of the problem..why would running an older kernel fix it?
20:27:12 <DavidWHodgins> In my case, using external speakers, I just had to move the connector from the black jack to the green jack. Reverse of what worked with prior Mageia/Mandriva versions.
20:27:53 <DavidWHodgins> Something in the hardware detection done by the kernel has changed, though I have no idea what changed.
20:28:17 <DavidWHodgins> Should probably say handling, rather then detection.
20:28:20 <NyB> DavidWHodgins: isn't the green jack the one used for "front" (and plain L-R stereo) speakers by convention, anyway?
20:28:56 <mga4gazer> wait, the problem is that the audio is "bursty"..some sound then silence then sound then silence etc
20:28:56 <DavidWHodgins> On most systems I've seen, the green jack has a headphones icon on it.
20:29:10 <mga4gazer> not a socket issue
20:29:29 <DavidWHodgins> mga4gazer: In that case, check with htop to see if something is overloading the cpu.
20:29:38 <mga4gazer> will do
20:29:52 <wilcal> I've seen sometimes differences between front green jack and back green jack
20:29:52 <DavidWHodgins> Any chance you're using a wireless mouse and/or keyboard?
20:30:00 <mga4gazer> no
20:30:22 <NyB> mga4gazer: also try using a player from a terminal and see if there are any ALSA and/or pulseaudio error messages emitted to the console...
20:30:23 <wilcal> Front assumes earphones, back assumes speakers
20:30:38 <mga4gazer> Nyb: like "play" ?
20:30:49 <wilcal> Winblows would make a mess of it
20:30:54 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Open a bug report about it, but as it's not a regression from Mageia 4, it won't hold up the 4.1 release.
20:31:02 <mga4gazer> ok
20:31:08 <NyB> mga4gazer: no, use your normal player, just start it from a terminal so that you can see its messages
20:31:15 <mga4gazer> ah
20:31:17 <mga4gazer> ok
20:31:20 <mga4gazer> ta
20:31:25 <DavidWHodgins> Install sox, and use the play command in a terminal
20:31:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, anything else before we move on?
20:31:57 <wilcal> Not from me
20:32:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:32:38 <DavidWHodgins> We've got a whole bunch of updates to test again.
20:32:46 <wilcal> I should be able to do the:
20:32:48 <wilcal> webmin new security issues fixed upstream in 1.680
20:32:49 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13013
20:32:51 <[mbot> Bug 13013: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , webmin new security issues fixed upstream in 1.680, webmin-1.660-2.mga4.src.rpm
20:32:51 <wilcal> thingy today or tomorrow.
20:33:21 <DavidWHodgins> For udisks, make sure the device notifier is working for mounting/unmounting use sticks, etc.
20:33:47 <rindolf> Ah, meeting?
20:33:54 <rindolf> Sorry that I didn't pay attention.
20:33:55 <rindolf> Hi all.
20:34:00 <DavidWHodgins> For both udisks, and udisk2, see their man pages, and test some of the various commands.
20:34:03 <DavidWHodgins> Hi rindolf
20:34:09 <lewyssmith> rindolf: Hello.
20:34:10 <wilcal> We're all kinda confused over the time thing
20:34:50 * Kernewes have just lost the applications, places and system menus from top panel, wonder how that happened
20:34:52 <wilcal> Me especially
20:35:19 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: What desktop?
20:35:37 <Kernewes> mate
20:35:44 <DavidWHodgins> #info qa meetings meetings will continue to be at 20utc, until after eastern europe and great britain switch to dst. So starting April 5th, meetings will switch to 19utc.
20:36:00 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Gnome, or gnome classic?
20:36:15 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: mate
20:37:38 <DavidWHodgins> Check to see if there is anything in ~/.xsession-errors
20:37:51 <sebsebseb_> hi
20:38:01 <wilcal> Hi ya sebsebseb
20:38:03 <DavidWHodgins> Hi sebsebseb_
20:38:53 <wilcal> sebsebseb is Mageia's bestest demonstrator ( at FOSDEM ) :-)
20:39:20 <Kernewes> what am I looking for?
20:39:40 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: Let's leave that for after the meeting.
20:40:11 <lewyssmith> Back to updates?
20:40:23 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: ok
20:40:41 <DavidWHodgins> For testing freetype2, test with any of the packages shown by "urpmq --whatrequires-recursive lib64freetype2
20:40:51 <DavidWHodgins> libfreetype2 on 32 bit systems.
20:41:09 <lewyssmith> Is this advice shown in the bug?
20:41:16 <neoclust> Luigi12_lappy: this night i update kde to kde 4.13 Beta2 on the svn
20:41:51 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: No. That's general advice for testing any library updates.
20:42:08 <lewyssmith> New to me.
20:42:18 <DavidWHodgins> I havn't looked at the perl-YAML one yet.
20:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> It's useful for things like perl or python packages too.
20:43:27 <DavidWHodgins> Actually, it's useful for any update that isn't an application itself.
20:43:42 <lewyssmith> Thanks for the tip.
20:44:21 <DavidWHodgins> Most of the others have been updated before, so checkthe bugzilla link for prior bugs, to see what procedures were used.
20:45:08 <DavidWHodgins> After the meeting, I'll test the critical security updates, before going back to iso testing.
20:45:27 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any questions about testing updates?
20:46:00 <wilcal> not here
20:46:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:46:25 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_lappy: ping
20:46:33 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: ping
20:47:06 <lewyssmith> What should happen at the ping'd end?
20:47:08 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: ping
20:47:20 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: ping
20:47:21 <rindolf> lewyssmith: we get a pong.
20:47:29 <DavidWHodgins> See, what shows up?
20:47:41 <DavidWHodgins> The tab label turns red
20:47:57 <lewyssmith> Just a msg to me. Yes, red.
20:48:00 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:48:05 <wilcal> He was here earlier
20:48:11 <Luigi12_work> latency :o)
20:48:13 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: hi.
20:48:14 <lewyssmith> & now!
20:48:16 <DavidWHodgins> HIYa Luigi12_work
20:49:09 <DavidWHodgins> I've gone over most of the ready to test bugs, already, so we just need to know about expected upcoming updates
20:50:13 <Luigi12_work> ok.  The libyaml issue was high severity for libyaml itself, not sure how large the attack surface is through perl-YAML-LibYAML, so I didn't set a higher severity on that one, but it's probably still important
20:50:58 <Luigi12_work> Oden is still working on the PHP update I think, the php packages themselves were built in updates_testing today
20:51:55 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'll treat the peral-YAML as if it were critical. Haven't looked at it yet though.
20:52:04 <Luigi12_work> hopefully remmy will see the fail2ban bug at some point, hopefully guillomovitch or one of the other stunnel commiters will see that bug soon, hopefully jquelin will get to mutt soon, hopefully tv will get to cups/cups-filters soon, and hopefully tmb can help with tomcat soon
20:52:16 <Luigi12_work> I'd still like coling to look at the libvirt bug, not sure if we're affected
20:52:37 <Luigi12_work> and maybe funda will update ruby/rails or postgresql someday...
20:52:59 <Luigi12_work> and maybe coincoin will fix boinc-client eventually
20:53:17 <Luigi12_work> so a lot of things waiting on various people right now
20:53:34 <lewyssmith> Got the idea.
20:53:36 <coincoin> O:-)
20:53:36 <Luigi12_work> not anything in my pipeline at the moment
20:53:46 <Luigi12_work> ahh coincoin is here :o)
20:53:55 <Luigi12_work> he's been busy updating other things too, so plenty of work to do
20:54:07 <Luigi12_work> luckily the boinc-client security issue is low severity
20:54:11 <DavidWHodgins> #info php update coming soon. Other updates are waiting for developers.
20:54:25 <coincoin> Luigi12_work: I'm on it... sorry.
20:54:32 <Luigi12_work> coincoin: no problem
20:54:44 <Luigi12_work> oh also we're still waiting on upstream to fix the curl regression
20:54:54 <Luigi12_work> or danf to backport the fixes
20:55:51 <Luigi12_work> hopefully I'll have more details so I can do advisories for the moodle and webmin updates soon.  I'm guessing Monday for both
20:56:33 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:56:38 <wilcal> Not from here
20:56:41 <Kernewes> not here
20:56:47 <DavidWHodgins> Nope. Thanks Luigi12_work
20:56:51 <lewyssmith> No.
20:57:12 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:57:30 <wilcal> Again, I'd like to remind everyone of:
20:57:31 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12137
20:57:33 <[mbot> Bug 12137: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer
20:57:33 <wilcal> and
20:57:34 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781
20:57:36 <[mbot> Bug 12781: normal, High, doktor5000, ASSIGNED , Remote CUPS server not being detected automatically, only when searching for hostname, system-config-printer
20:57:36 <wilcal> Some reviewer is gonna bite us, or CUPS, on it(s) if they find it.
20:57:37 <wilcal> M4 with an attached printer works just fine which is
20:57:39 <wilcal> where most people test. M4 as a print server don't work.
20:57:40 <wilcal> It's been suggested that is an upstream problem. If that
20:57:42 <wilcal> is the case that should be so noted in the BUG(s).
20:58:00 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: did you get a chance to test Fedora 20?
20:58:09 <wilcal> I've looked at the config files on a Raspberry Pi server and my M4 test print server here and they are the same
20:58:33 <wilcal> Have not tried Fedora or Ubuntu yet, I'd guess they won't see it either
20:58:47 <wilcal> Should have some time this weekend
20:58:51 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Have you tried using wireshark to capture the ipp traffic, and see what's going on?
20:59:18 <wilcal> OOoOoo that ( wireshark ) may be over my head but I can try
20:59:31 <Luigi12_work> should be more than IPP involved here, for finding the printers, the newest CUPS uses mdns-sd
20:59:55 <DavidWHodgins> It's a good tool for debuggin any sort of networking problems.
21:00:00 <wilcal> If we deem this upstream then our testing kinda goes away
21:01:49 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Anything else before we close the meeting?
21:01:56 <wilcal> not from me
21:02:00 <Kernewes> no
21:02:00 <lewyssmith> Not from me.
21:02:58 <lewyssmith> So goodbye to all.
21:03:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks for showing up everyone
21:03:06 <mga4gazer> cheerios
21:03:10 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting