20:09:23 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:09:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 6 20:09:23 2014 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:09:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:09:36 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another meet 20:09:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and meet the rest of the team. 20:09:46 <MrsB> too quick :) 20:09:55 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 20:09:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 20:09:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and meet the rest of the team. 20:10:16 <MrsB> I will have to duck out at some point as I'm expecting a phone call :\ 20:10:30 <DavidWHodgins> So, anyone here who hasn't been to a qa irc meeting before? 20:10:52 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? xmeunier? 20:11:03 * MrsB checks the list 20:11:05 <xmeunier> MrsB: Hello (and hello everybody) Yes I would like, but I'm a beginner. 20:11:16 <MrsB> Hi! welcome to the team :) 20:11:18 <rindolf> xmeunier: hi, welcome aboard. 20:11:22 <lewyssmith> Join th crowd. 20:11:46 <MrsB> If you say a few words to introduce yourself, the rest will do the same 20:11:58 <raingazer> welcome, we are all beginners in one way or another 20:12:04 <MrsB> I'm Claire, based in the UK, current team leader 20:12:24 <MrsB> old & worn out :) 20:12:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, in London, Ontario, Canada. 53yr old former mainframe software developer. 20:13:12 <lewyssmith> I am Lewis, more silvery than Claire, live in France. 20:13:23 <Akien> I'm Rémi (Lyon, France), mostly doing i18n and packaging stuff at the moment, but I try to help QA every now and then. 20:13:32 <rindolf> I am Shlomi Fish, http://www.shlomifish.org/ from Tel Aviv, Israel. 20:13:33 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ] 20:13:36 <dvg_l> Small town in NL. Using Linux since 11 years 20:13:54 <rindolf> I'm also a packager. 20:13:55 <RemyServices> David, Colorado USA. 30yr Windows Sys Admin with various interests in Linux 20:14:25 <MrsB> morning RemyServices and Akien I missed you didn't I 20:14:26 * raingazer is Paul from UK. Long time unix now linux. Works in computer security. 20:14:42 <MrsB> your turn xmeunier 20:14:45 <Stormi> Stormi, Lyon, France, Akien's older brother, former QA deputy leader, now rather stepping up when the team has trouble surviving in the flow of events, and stepping down when I can so that I can package, develop http://mageia.madb.org or simply rest 20:14:46 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ] 20:15:03 <RemyServices> I've been around for a few meetings, just getting things setup to start qa testing fully 20:15:13 <MrsB> \o/ RemyServices 20:15:40 <Stormi> And I'm Samuel (forgot that) 20:16:13 <MrsB> Still there xmeunier? 20:17:06 <MrsB> gone already :D 20:17:10 <xmeunier> I'm Xavier, live in France, discovering Mageia 20:17:28 <raingazer> bienvenu 20:17:47 <malo> While we're doing presentations ... Hi, I'm malo, from the packager team, and just lurking around. 20:18:05 <MrsB> Things will probably seem quite confusing and probably alot going on at first, everybody feels the same initially. It will become easier. 20:18:46 <MrsB> If there is anything at all you don't understand please just ask. We don't believe in silly questions 20:19:08 <Stormi> We believe in silly answers 20:19:10 * Stormi hides 20:19:15 <MrsB> We have people of various abilities from beginner to expert 20:19:26 <lewyssmith> May I mention Bill (wilcal) in his absence? A Californian power-house. 20:19:38 <xmeunier> Ihope so ;) 20:19:55 <MrsB> Have you subscribed to the two mailing lists yet Xavier? 20:20:30 <MrsB> wilcal will be back this weekend and getting back into it next week 20:21:04 * raingazer hopes that the drought in California will soon be over 20:21:07 <MrsB> and Bill (wrw105) 20:21:26 <xmeunier> Yes I have, but not have written all the bugs mail of today 20:21:26 <diogenese> It's raining right now. 20:21:56 <DavidWHodgins> Snowing again here. (-: 20:22:06 <MrsB> The qa-bugs mailing list is read-only, it's a feed of all the bugs (for updates) which are assigned to us 20:22:25 <xmeunier> ok 20:23:00 <MrsB> qa-discuss is our discussion list, feel free to use it to ask things if there is nobody around on here. In fact use it for anything you need to. 20:23:48 <MrsB> There are always some links in the topic here (apart from when we're having a meeting) which explain how to do things. They won't make much sense to start with but we can give you all the help you need to get used to things. 20:24:27 <MrsB> We're a busy team but friendly and generally relaxed about things 20:24:39 <xmeunier> great :) 20:24:47 <MrsB> So, welcome :) 20:24:53 <xmeunier> thanks 20:24:56 <MrsB> morning Tonyb 20:24:58 <lewyssmith> Hello Tony; 20:25:10 <MrsB> let#s move on then, what was next? 20:25:14 <Tonyb> morning. sorry I'm late 20:25:37 <MrsB> #topic Testing Updates 20:25:59 <MrsB> As you can see we have alot of updates waiting to be tested 20:26:05 <MrsB> a huge amount :( 20:26:16 <MrsB> we need everybody to do what they can please 20:26:21 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, still trying to test kernel updates on my other computer. 20:26:29 <lewyssmith> I am just setting things up to start. 20:26:31 <MrsB> this is your chance to ask anything you like 20:27:03 <Tonyb> I appreciate help from serverl of you re dual graphics failure 20:27:23 <MrsB> did it help tony? 20:27:34 <Tonyb> Soemthing regressed just before release which killed even the Intel graphics 20:28:00 <Tonyb> NOt yet, but I might have the syntax of boot arguments wrong 20:28:16 <MrsB> try with rd.blacklist=intel rd.blacklist=nvidia rd.blacklist=nouveasu xdriver=vesa 20:28:19 <MrsB> -s 20:28:26 <Stormi> vea? 20:28:30 * Stormi hides again 20:28:34 * MrsB slaps Stormi 20:28:42 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:28:55 <Tonyb> Don't think I can use vesa (UEFI), but where, in which file do I put this 20:29:08 <tmb> for blocking intel, the line is rd.blacklist=i915 20:29:22 <MrsB> Does anybody have any questions about how to test update candidates? Tony sorry, we'll come back to that at the end if that's ok 20:29:23 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: In the kernel optiions. 20:29:35 <tmb> the kernel driver is i915, the x driver is intel 20:29:41 <MrsB> ahh thanks tmb 20:29:49 <dvg_l> interactivly. not a file 20:30:29 <MrsB> Nobody anything to ask? \o/ 20:30:47 <lewyssmith> Have not dared to look lately. 20:31:09 <Stormi> current number is 30 / 30 20:31:11 <MrsB> oh please do look, it's enormous 20:31:18 <Stormi> 30 mga3, 30 mga4 20:31:27 <MrsB> 30 mga4 already :( 20:31:32 <lewyssmith> Will do once M4 is installed. 20:31:37 <MrsB> it's only been out a few days! 20:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> Most of those are the kernels 20:32:03 <MrsB> Is everybody clear about testing kernels? 20:32:08 <lewyssmith> Are they not relatively easy: just try them generally? 20:32:15 <MrsB> mostly yes. 20:32:42 <lewyssmith> In the past 3 were noted especially: desktop, rt, server. 20:32:54 <MrsB> just ensure they are using the correct drivers - prebuilt kmod for default kernels or dkms for other ones 20:33:02 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes, but there are a lot of kernels, and they have to be tested on both i586 and x86_64 systems, on both m3 and m4. 20:33:04 <xmeunier> I havn't finished to read the update testing doc on the wiki yet 20:33:05 <tmb> MrsB, speaking of kernels, have you tested the hw that triggers bug 6077 ? 20:33:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6077 critical, High, tmb, NEW , Some Centrino laptops forced to use vesa driver & No ACPI, kernel 20:33:14 <Tonyb> My concern is that if I'm not regularly using an update to be tested, then I may not really test its function and might miss something important 20:33:45 <MrsB> not yet tmb, I will be doing tomorrow. I had issues with linus on my desktop but I think it's probably a clash from previous testing 20:34:20 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: One of the benefits of being on the qa team is that you get exposed to software you would normally never see. 20:34:23 <Stormi> DavidWHodgins: only 1/5 of those are kernels :) 20:34:38 <MrsB> Tonyb: We can't be expected to know everything about everything. We're mainly concerned with checking things work and any obvious regressions. 20:35:16 <MrsB> Best advice is to click the 'Bugzilla' link on the madb page and it will search for previous updates where you can see how it was done before 20:35:46 <lewyssmith> xmeunier, Be sure to follow up the enabling/disabling test repositories page. 20:35:46 <MrsB> We're also checking for packaging issues 20:36:04 <xmeunier> ok thanks 20:36:44 <MrsB> yes xmeunier if you send a Hello type email to qa-discuss I'll forward you some information with links to read which will get you started. I can be with you on here though as you do your first few to help you 20:37:59 <MrsB> Any other questions before we move on? 20:38:13 <MrsB> everybody's clear about everything 20:38:22 <lewyssmith> ! 20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:38:47 <Luigi12_work> boo 20:38:54 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:38:58 <MrsB> xmeunier: it's ok to just ask in the channel here but use the Query rather than DCC chat if you want to talk privately please 20:39:05 <lewyssmith> Evening Luigi12 20:39:12 * Stormi fires at Luigi12_work "we're full" 20:39:20 <Luigi12_work> :o) 20:39:23 <MrsB> Morning Luigi12_work 20:39:23 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:39:30 <xmeunier> Sorry, I'm also a beginner with IRC :$ 20:39:33 <MrsB> very full, overflowing in fact 20:39:39 <MrsB> it's ok :) 20:40:31 <Luigi12_work> so there's only one that's *really really* critical right now, that's tomcat6 for mga3. It got delayed almost a year since committed a fix for an init script issue (CVE-2013-1976) but I think I figured it out. This is a heavily exploited piece of software, so an important update. 20:40:35 <DavidWHodgins> For the kernels, I hope to finish my testing in the next few hours. If no one objects, I'll then validate the updates. 20:40:59 <Luigi12_work> libyaml is also critical, but likely affects less users. There's a testing procedure on the bug and it only needs tested on x86_64 IINM. 20:41:15 <Stormi> for kernels, I hope everybody installed the kernels in order to get maximum coverage 20:41:35 <MrsB> if you're happy with kernal-linus on mga3 dave yes. I think the problem i had is just leftover stuff but won't be able to check until tomorrow 20:41:44 <Luigi12_work> since *nobody* committed a fix, I meant to say two messages ago 20:42:11 <MrsB> #info tomcat6 is critical (over a year old) and easy to test 20:42:39 <MrsB> #info libyaml is also critical and partially tested by Stormi 20:42:39 <Luigi12_work> as for everything else, the bold ones on madb are more important than the non-bold ones as usual, but nothing super-highly-critically-important. Of the non-bold ones, chrony is probably the most important. 20:43:35 <MrsB> #info chrony is probably most important of the non-critical ones 20:43:48 <Stormi> to xmeunier: "on madb" means at http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates (link given in this channel's topic and wiki too) 20:43:50 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:43:54 <MrsB> anything in the pipeline or has the flood subsided? 20:44:46 <Luigi12_work> well I don't know what surprises might lurk in the coming days, but as far as ones I've already filed bugs for, not a whole lot imminient probably. I need more action from packagers. 20:45:02 <Tonyb> Sorry, work calls.Bye for now 20:45:14 <lewyssmith> Cheerio tony. 20:45:15 <MrsB> #info Barring any surprises the flood of updates should subside a bit now 20:45:22 <Luigi12_work> I've asked for darktable and shotwell to have newer versions backported as updates due to possible libraw issues 20:45:23 <MrsB> Bye Tonyb thanks for coming 20:45:36 * Luigi12_work needs to do ffmpeg updates at some point 20:45:53 <Luigi12_work> philippem will have a python update at some point 20:45:59 <MrsB> so flood still ongoing then 20:46:09 <Luigi12_work> not really 20:46:10 * MrsB up to neck already 20:46:24 <Luigi12_work> mediawiki is stuck because I tested an upgrade to 1.22 and it broke my wiki server here 20:46:34 <tmb> and a kde update will probably land at some time too afaik 20:46:42 <Luigi12_work> yep 20:47:12 <Luigi12_work> Kharec might update yum soonish, dlucio might update otrs at some point, mitya might update zabbix at some point, and anssi is working on a tntnet update 20:47:13 <simonnzg> Luigi12_work: Folder permissions? I had that with mine. 20:47:26 <MrsB> #info we're also expecting a kde update to land next week, it's alot of packages but simple to test, just install and use. 20:47:33 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: just says an error with the database 20:47:42 <MrsB> you just added another 30 :P 20:48:05 <Luigi12_work> oh, speaking of DE updates, you might want to ask the MATE maintainer to finish all packaging for the updates first, and then consolidate them all into one bug, like we do for the other DE updates 20:48:14 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK it is one round of bugfix updates issued by upstream at the same time 20:48:17 <simonnzg> Aha. Not my problem, but probably needs a database upgrade. I *think* there's a little script to run to do that.. 20:48:30 <Luigi12_work> so it doesn't make much sense to piecemeal the update into 50 bugs 20:48:51 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: if you can find any info on that (mysql here), please let me know 20:48:59 <simonnzg> Mine is on an Ubuntu Server, so the detaiuls may be different. The Ubuntu packagers tend to have their own ideas... :( 20:49:22 <tmb> yep I think the mate update should be done as one big push (iirc leuhmanu even added them to a tracker for now) 20:49:23 <simonnzg> I'll go and take a look. Back soon. 20:49:37 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 20:50:00 * MrsB daren't ask anything 20:50:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:50:05 <Luigi12_work> lol :o( 20:50:18 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work :) 20:50:21 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work 20:50:29 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:50:31 <leuhmanu> tmb: I was thinking, first there only a 4-5 not all of them :) 20:50:42 <Luigi12_work> thanks to everyone else too...I think we've done a good job keeping up with the critical ones despite the deluge 20:50:49 <Kharec> hi all 20:50:53 <MrsB> hi Kharec 20:50:57 <Kharec> sorr for being late :/ 20:51:21 <Stormi> well, backports? 20:51:29 <MrsB> #info We think mate updates would be best bundled into one bg mate update when they're all ready 20:51:34 <MrsB> oh yes! 20:51:43 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: oh, just in case you didn't notice, mga4 only has *one* version of tomcat, so that should help with those in the future 20:51:43 * Stormi agrees about mate 20:51:49 <MrsB> #info Backports are now open! 20:52:04 <simonnzg> Go to /var/lib/mediawiki/maintenance and run it "php maintenance/update.php" 20:52:08 <MrsB> We've talked about these before haven't we 20:52:15 <Stormi> yes 20:52:16 <DavidWHodgins> With no advisories in svn, how will they be pushed? 20:52:18 <simonnzg> Pretty sure that's what fixed mine. 20:52:30 <MrsB> tmb any ideas? 20:52:45 <Kharec> Luigi12_work: I'm actually working on vagrant packaging but I can work on yum if it's more urgent 20:52:50 <DavidWHodgins> Do we have to list srpms in the push request? 20:52:55 <Luigi12_work> Kharec: whenever you have time is fine 20:53:06 <MrsB> I think we can probably just validate them Dave and allow sysadmins to push them 20:53:06 <Kharec> Luigi12_work: fine :) 20:53:17 * simonnzg remembers to apologise for being late back from work 20:53:20 <Kharec> I let you know on the ticket on bugzilla 20:53:21 <MrsB> like the olden days 20:53:47 <tmb> well, at fosdem we discussed about simply doing a "changelog" like mail , so yes, list srpm(s) in push request 20:54:02 <simonnzg> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Update.php 20:54:24 <tmb> if people want more we can obviously discuss about it 20:54:38 <MrsB> #info when validating backports (which are our lowest priority) just list srpms in the validation comment and validate as normal. There won't be advisories for them in the same way as updates. 20:54:49 <MrsB> tmb are backports open for mga3 too? 20:54:51 <DavidWHodgins> I'd rather mgaadv were updated to include a backports option, and have the advisroies in svn like with updates, so the srpm list in the advisory is used to select what to push. 20:54:55 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: thanks 20:55:11 <tmb> MrsB, yes 20:55:20 <MrsB> it would be better maybe dave yeah 20:55:33 <DavidWHodgins> More consistent 20:55:42 <Luigi12_work> and more work 20:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> True 20:55:59 <MrsB> I guess it would need infrastructure putting in place though so maybe we can start like this and look to implement that later 20:56:11 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed 20:56:33 <tmb> Well, it comes down to "someone send a patch" as we dont want it listed among other advisories on web 20:56:35 <MrsB> #info backports are open for mga3 and mga4 20:56:51 <DavidWHodgins> My eyes are getting sore, so I'm going to have to take a break for a while. 20:56:56 <DavidWHodgins> Bye for now. 20:57:05 <lewyssmith> Bye Dave. 20:57:06 <MrsB> I think we're about ready to wrap up almost 20:57:14 <MrsB> take it easy Dave 20:57:24 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 20:57:41 <lewyssmith> Not here. 20:57:43 <MrsB> thanks for the reminder Stormi 20:57:58 <MrsB> GTG then phone 20:58:00 <MrsB> #endmeeting