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20:09:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb  6 20:09:23 2014 UTC.  The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:09:36 <MrsB> Morning everybody welcome to another meet
20:09:40 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and meet the rest of the team.
20:09:46 <MrsB> too quick :)
20:09:55 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:09:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
20:09:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? Come and meet the rest of the team.
20:10:16 <MrsB> I will have to duck out at some point as I'm expecting a phone call :\
20:10:30 <DavidWHodgins> So,  anyone here who hasn't been to  a qa irc meeting before?
20:10:52 <MrsB> Is there anybody new here today? xmeunier?
20:11:03 * MrsB checks the list
20:11:05 <xmeunier> MrsB: Hello (and hello everybody) Yes I would like, but I'm a beginner.
20:11:16 <MrsB> Hi! welcome to the team :)
20:11:18 <rindolf> xmeunier: hi, welcome aboard.
20:11:22 <lewyssmith> Join th crowd.
20:11:46 <MrsB> If you say a few words to introduce yourself, the rest will do the same
20:11:58 <raingazer> welcome, we are all beginners in one way or another
20:12:04 <MrsB> I'm Claire, based in the UK, current team leader
20:12:24 <MrsB> old & worn out :)
20:12:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, in London, Ontario, Canada. 53yr old former mainframe software developer.
20:13:12 <lewyssmith> I am Lewis, more silvery than Claire, live in France.
20:13:23 <Akien> I'm Rémi (Lyon, France), mostly doing i18n and packaging stuff at the moment, but I try to help QA every now and then.
20:13:32 <rindolf> I am Shlomi Fish, http://www.shlomifish.org/ from Tel Aviv, Israel.
20:13:33 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ]
20:13:36 <dvg_l> Small town in NL. Using Linux since 11 years
20:13:54 <rindolf> I'm also a packager.
20:13:55 <RemyServices> David, Colorado USA. 30yr Windows Sys Admin with various interests in Linux
20:14:25 <MrsB> morning RemyServices and Akien I missed you didn't I
20:14:26 * raingazer is Paul from UK. Long time unix now linux. Works in computer security.
20:14:42 <MrsB> your turn xmeunier
20:14:45 <Stormi> Stormi, Lyon, France, Akien's older brother, former QA deputy leader, now rather stepping up when the team has trouble surviving in the flow of events, and stepping down when I can so that I can package, develop http://mageia.madb.org or simply rest
20:14:46 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db ]
20:15:03 <RemyServices> I've been around for a few meetings, just getting things setup to start qa testing fully
20:15:13 <MrsB> \o/ RemyServices
20:15:40 <Stormi> And I'm Samuel (forgot that)
20:16:13 <MrsB> Still there xmeunier?
20:17:06 <MrsB> gone already :D
20:17:10 <xmeunier> I'm Xavier, live in France, discovering Mageia
20:17:28 <raingazer> bienvenu
20:17:47 <malo> While we're doing presentations ... Hi, I'm malo, from the packager team, and just lurking around.
20:18:05 <MrsB> Things will probably seem quite confusing and probably alot going on at first, everybody feels the same initially. It will become easier.
20:18:46 <MrsB> If there is anything at all you don't understand please just ask. We don't believe in silly questions
20:19:08 <Stormi> We believe in silly answers
20:19:10 * Stormi hides
20:19:15 <MrsB> We have people of various abilities from beginner to expert
20:19:26 <lewyssmith> May I mention Bill (wilcal) in his absence? A Californian power-house.
20:19:38 <xmeunier> Ihope so ;)
20:19:55 <MrsB> Have you subscribed to the two mailing lists yet Xavier?
20:20:30 <MrsB> wilcal will be back this weekend and getting back into it next week
20:21:04 * raingazer hopes that the drought in California will soon be over
20:21:07 <MrsB> and Bill (wrw105)
20:21:26 <xmeunier> Yes I have, but not have written all the bugs mail of today
20:21:26 <diogenese> It's raining right now.
20:21:56 <DavidWHodgins> Snowing again here. (-:
20:22:06 <MrsB> The qa-bugs mailing list is read-only, it's a feed of all the bugs (for updates) which are assigned to us
20:22:25 <xmeunier> ok
20:23:00 <MrsB> qa-discuss is our discussion list, feel free to use it to ask things if there is nobody around on here. In fact use it for anything you need to.
20:23:48 <MrsB> There are always some links in the topic here (apart from when we're having a meeting) which explain how to do things. They won't make much sense to start with but we can give you all the help you need to get used to things.
20:24:27 <MrsB> We're a busy team but friendly and generally relaxed about things
20:24:39 <xmeunier> great :)
20:24:47 <MrsB> So, welcome :)
20:24:53 <xmeunier> thanks
20:24:56 <MrsB> morning Tonyb
20:24:58 <lewyssmith> Hello Tony;
20:25:10 <MrsB> let#s move on then, what was next?
20:25:14 <Tonyb> morning. sorry I'm late
20:25:37 <MrsB> #topic Testing Updates
20:25:59 <MrsB> As you can see we have alot of updates waiting to be tested
20:26:05 <MrsB> a huge amount :(
20:26:16 <MrsB> we need everybody to do what they can please
20:26:21 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, still trying to test kernel updates on my other computer.
20:26:29 <lewyssmith> I am just setting things up to start.
20:26:31 <MrsB> this is your chance to ask anything you like
20:27:03 <Tonyb> I appreciate help from serverl of you re dual graphics failure
20:27:23 <MrsB> did it help tony?
20:27:34 <Tonyb> Soemthing regressed just before release which killed even the Intel graphics
20:28:00 <Tonyb> NOt yet, but I might have the syntax of boot arguments wrong
20:28:16 <MrsB> try with rd.blacklist=intel rd.blacklist=nvidia rd.blacklist=nouveasu xdriver=vesa
20:28:19 <MrsB> -s
20:28:26 <Stormi> vea?
20:28:30 * Stormi hides again
20:28:34 * MrsB slaps Stormi
20:28:42 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:28:55 <Tonyb> Don't think I can use vesa (UEFI), but where, in which file do I put this
20:29:08 <tmb> for blocking intel, the line is rd.blacklist=i915
20:29:22 <MrsB> Does anybody have any questions about how to test update candidates? Tony sorry, we'll come back to that at the end if that's ok
20:29:23 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: In the kernel optiions.
20:29:35 <tmb> the kernel driver is i915, the x driver is intel
20:29:41 <MrsB> ahh thanks tmb
20:29:49 <dvg_l> interactivly. not a file
20:30:29 <MrsB> Nobody anything to ask? \o/
20:30:47 <lewyssmith> Have not dared to look lately.
20:31:09 <Stormi> current number is 30 / 30
20:31:11 <MrsB> oh please do look, it's enormous
20:31:18 <Stormi> 30 mga3, 30 mga4
20:31:27 <MrsB> 30 mga4 already :(
20:31:32 <lewyssmith> Will do once M4 is installed.
20:31:37 <MrsB> it's only been out a few days!
20:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> Most of those are the kernels
20:32:03 <MrsB> Is everybody clear about testing kernels?
20:32:08 <lewyssmith> Are they not relatively easy: just try them generally?
20:32:15 <MrsB> mostly yes.
20:32:42 <lewyssmith> In the past 3 were noted especially: desktop, rt, server.
20:32:54 <MrsB> just ensure they are using the correct drivers - prebuilt kmod for default kernels or dkms for other ones
20:33:02 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes, but there are a lot of kernels, and they have to be tested on both i586 and x86_64 systems, on both m3 and m4.
20:33:04 <xmeunier> I havn't finished to read the update testing doc on the wiki yet
20:33:05 <tmb> MrsB, speaking of kernels, have you tested the hw that triggers bug 6077 ?
20:33:06 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6077 critical, High, tmb, NEW , Some Centrino laptops forced to use vesa driver & No ACPI, kernel
20:33:14 <Tonyb> My concern is that if I'm not regularly using an update to be tested, then I may not really test its function and might miss something important
20:33:45 <MrsB> not yet tmb, I will be doing tomorrow. I had issues with linus on my desktop but I think it's probably a clash from previous testing
20:34:20 <DavidWHodgins> Tonyb: One of the benefits of being on the qa team is that you get exposed to software you would normally never see.
20:34:23 <Stormi> DavidWHodgins: only 1/5 of those are kernels :)
20:34:38 <MrsB> Tonyb: We can't be expected to know everything about everything. We're mainly concerned with checking things work and any obvious regressions.
20:35:16 <MrsB> Best advice is to click the 'Bugzilla' link on the madb page and it will search for previous updates where you can see how it was done before
20:35:46 <lewyssmith> xmeunier, Be sure to follow up the enabling/disabling test repositories page.
20:35:46 <MrsB> We're also checking for packaging issues
20:36:04 <xmeunier> ok thanks
20:36:44 <MrsB> yes xmeunier if you send a Hello type email to qa-discuss I'll forward you some information with links to read which will get you started. I can be with you on here though as you do your first few to help you
20:37:59 <MrsB> Any other questions before we move on?
20:38:13 <MrsB> everybody's clear about everything
20:38:22 <lewyssmith> !
20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:38:47 <Luigi12_work> boo
20:38:54 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:38:58 <MrsB> xmeunier: it's ok to just ask in the channel here but use the Query rather than DCC chat  if you want to talk privately please
20:39:05 <lewyssmith> Evening Luigi12
20:39:12 * Stormi fires at Luigi12_work "we're full"
20:39:20 <Luigi12_work> :o)
20:39:23 <MrsB> Morning Luigi12_work
20:39:23 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:39:30 <xmeunier> Sorry, I'm also a beginner with IRC :$
20:39:33 <MrsB> very full, overflowing in fact
20:39:39 <MrsB> it's ok :)
20:40:31 <Luigi12_work> so there's only one that's *really really* critical right now, that's tomcat6 for mga3.  It got delayed almost a year since committed a fix for an init script issue (CVE-2013-1976) but I think I figured it out.  This is a heavily exploited piece of software, so an important update.
20:40:35 <DavidWHodgins> For the kernels, I hope to finish my testing in the next few hours. If no one objects, I'll then validate the updates.
20:40:59 <Luigi12_work> libyaml is also critical, but likely affects less users.  There's a testing procedure on the bug and it only needs tested on x86_64 IINM.
20:41:15 <Stormi> for kernels, I hope everybody installed the kernels in order to get maximum coverage
20:41:35 <MrsB> if you're happy with kernal-linus on mga3 dave yes. I think the problem i had is just leftover stuff but won't be able to check until tomorrow
20:41:44 <Luigi12_work> since *nobody* committed a fix, I meant to say two messages ago
20:42:11 <MrsB> #info tomcat6 is critical (over a year old) and easy to test
20:42:39 <MrsB> #info libyaml is also critical and partially tested by Stormi
20:42:39 <Luigi12_work> as for everything else, the bold ones on madb are more important than the non-bold ones as usual, but nothing super-highly-critically-important.  Of the non-bold ones, chrony is probably the most important.
20:43:35 <MrsB> #info chrony is probably most important of the non-critical ones
20:43:48 <Stormi> to xmeunier: "on madb" means at http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates (link given in this channel's topic and wiki too)
20:43:50 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:43:54 <MrsB> anything in the pipeline or has the flood subsided?
20:44:46 <Luigi12_work> well I don't know what surprises might lurk in the coming days, but as far as ones I've already filed bugs for, not a whole lot imminient probably.  I need more action from packagers.
20:45:02 <Tonyb> Sorry, work calls.Bye for now
20:45:14 <lewyssmith> Cheerio tony.
20:45:15 <MrsB> #info Barring any surprises the flood of updates should subside a bit now
20:45:22 <Luigi12_work> I've asked for darktable and shotwell to have newer versions backported as updates due to possible libraw issues
20:45:23 <MrsB> Bye Tonyb thanks for coming
20:45:36 * Luigi12_work needs to do ffmpeg updates at some point
20:45:53 <Luigi12_work> philippem will have a python update at some point
20:45:59 <MrsB> so flood still ongoing then
20:46:09 <Luigi12_work> not really
20:46:10 * MrsB up to neck already
20:46:24 <Luigi12_work> mediawiki is stuck because I tested an upgrade to 1.22 and it broke my wiki server here
20:46:34 <tmb> and a kde update will probably land at some time too afaik
20:46:42 <Luigi12_work> yep
20:47:12 <Luigi12_work> Kharec might update yum soonish, dlucio might update otrs at some point, mitya might update zabbix at some point, and anssi is working on a tntnet update
20:47:13 <simonnzg> Luigi12_work: Folder permissions? I had that with mine.
20:47:26 <MrsB> #info we're also expecting a kde update to land next week, it's alot of packages but simple to test, just install and use.
20:47:33 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: just says an error with the database
20:47:42 <MrsB> you just added another 30 :P
20:48:05 <Luigi12_work> oh, speaking of DE updates, you might want to ask the MATE maintainer to finish all packaging for the updates first, and then consolidate them all into one bug, like we do for the other DE updates
20:48:14 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK it is one round of bugfix updates issued by upstream at the same time
20:48:17 <simonnzg> Aha. Not my problem, but probably needs a database upgrade. I *think* there's a little script to run to do that..
20:48:30 <Luigi12_work> so it doesn't make much sense to piecemeal the update into 50 bugs
20:48:51 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: if you can find any info on that (mysql here), please let me know
20:48:59 <simonnzg> Mine is on an Ubuntu Server, so the detaiuls may be different. The Ubuntu packagers tend to have their own ideas... :(
20:49:22 <tmb> yep I think the mate update should be done as one big push (iirc leuhmanu even added them to a tracker for now)
20:49:23 <simonnzg> I'll go and take a look.  Back soon.
20:49:37 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
20:50:00 * MrsB daren't ask anything
20:50:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:50:05 <Luigi12_work> lol :o(
20:50:18 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work :)
20:50:21 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
20:50:29 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:50:31 <leuhmanu> tmb: I was thinking, first there only a 4-5  not all of them :)
20:50:42 <Luigi12_work> thanks to everyone else too...I think we've done a good job keeping up with the critical ones despite the deluge
20:50:49 <Kharec> hi all
20:50:53 <MrsB> hi Kharec
20:50:57 <Kharec> sorr for being late :/
20:51:21 <Stormi> well, backports?
20:51:29 <MrsB> #info We think mate updates would be best bundled into one bg mate update when they're all ready
20:51:34 <MrsB> oh yes!
20:51:43 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: oh, just in case you didn't notice, mga4 only has *one* version of tomcat, so that should help with those in the future
20:51:43 * Stormi agrees about mate
20:51:49 <MrsB> #info Backports are now open!
20:52:04 <simonnzg> Go to /var/lib/mediawiki/maintenance and run it "php maintenance/update.php"
20:52:08 <MrsB> We've talked about these before haven't we
20:52:15 <Stormi> yes
20:52:16 <DavidWHodgins> With no advisories in svn, how will they be pushed?
20:52:18 <simonnzg> Pretty sure that's what fixed mine.
20:52:30 <MrsB> tmb any ideas?
20:52:45 <Kharec> Luigi12_work: I'm actually working on vagrant packaging but I can work on yum if it's more urgent
20:52:50 <DavidWHodgins> Do we have to list srpms in the push request?
20:52:55 <Luigi12_work> Kharec: whenever you have time is fine
20:53:06 <MrsB> I think we can probably just validate them Dave and allow sysadmins to push them
20:53:06 <Kharec> Luigi12_work: fine :)
20:53:17 * simonnzg remembers to apologise for being late back from work
20:53:20 <Kharec> I let you know on the ticket on bugzilla
20:53:21 <MrsB> like the olden days
20:53:47 <tmb> well, at fosdem we discussed about simply doing a "changelog" like mail , so yes, list srpm(s) in push request
20:54:02 <simonnzg> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Update.php
20:54:24 <tmb> if people want more we can obviously discuss about it
20:54:38 <MrsB> #info when validating backports (which are our lowest priority) just list srpms in the validation comment and validate as normal. There won't be advisories for them in the same way as updates.
20:54:49 <MrsB> tmb are backports open for mga3 too?
20:54:51 <DavidWHodgins> I'd rather mgaadv were updated to include a backports option, and have the advisroies in svn like with updates, so the srpm list in the advisory is used to select what to push.
20:54:55 <Luigi12_work> simonnzg: thanks
20:55:11 <tmb> MrsB, yes
20:55:20 <MrsB> it would be better maybe dave yeah
20:55:33 <DavidWHodgins> More consistent
20:55:42 <Luigi12_work> and more work
20:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> True
20:55:59 <MrsB> I guess it would need infrastructure putting in place though so maybe we can start like this and look to implement that later
20:56:11 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
20:56:33 <tmb> Well, it comes down to "someone send a patch" as we dont want it listed among other advisories on web
20:56:35 <MrsB> #info backports are open for mga3 and mga4
20:56:51 <DavidWHodgins> My eyes are getting sore, so I'm going to have to take a break for a while.
20:56:56 <DavidWHodgins> Bye for now.
20:57:05 <lewyssmith> Bye Dave.
20:57:06 <MrsB> I think we're about ready to wrap up almost
20:57:14 <MrsB> take it easy Dave
20:57:24 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
20:57:41 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:57:43 <MrsB> thanks for the reminder Stormi
20:57:58 <MrsB> GTG then phone
20:58:00 <MrsB> #endmeeting