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20:08:11 <MrsB> Hi everybody welcome to another one
20:08:28 <MrsB> #topic Who's new?
20:08:37 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today?
20:09:04 * MrsB checks the list
20:09:22 <MrsB> doesn't lo0ok like it
20:09:46 <MrsB> #topic Beta 2
20:10:00 <wilcal> Wow how much time have we???
20:10:08 <MrsB> This is going to have to be over to you guys, as I've missed it so far :\
20:10:22 <Kernewes> MrsB: what's been happening to you?
20:10:31 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Lucky you
20:10:31 <MrsB> Dave is going to lead the charge but he's still sleeping I think
20:10:34 <wilcal> VERY VERY positive results today for me with Gnome Live-CD
20:10:44 <wilcal> New ISO's today
20:10:53 <lewyssmith> Today?
20:11:04 <MrsB> He said earlier that classic isos were probably OK to release and new gnome needed testing
20:11:04 <wilcal> Ya just released
20:11:20 <wilcal> Classic ISO's look fine for M4B2
20:11:23 <napcok> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969
20:11:24 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , MCC problems with rendering sub-windows with some non-english locale, drakconf-12.44-1.mga4.src.rpm
20:11:40 <wilcal> I donno about Gnome on Classic ISO's though
20:11:41 <lewyssmith> There are problems with them..
20:11:59 <napcok> I think this bug is very serious for lot of non-english people
20:12:01 <MrsB> we do need to release if we can do as it's only a few weeks until the RC and christmas comes between now and then
20:12:22 <lewyssmith> Gnome (to date - unreleasable);  MCC not working. Cannot let that go
20:12:25 <wilcal> What is worst for you lewy
20:12:32 <MrsB> #info napcok added a blocker today for MCC in locales other than EN
20:12:48 <MrsB> i mean release beta 2 though
20:12:51 <lewyssmith> Those 2 things; plus LXDE/KDEapps  problems
20:13:07 <napcok> and LXDE polkit problem
20:13:14 <lewyssmith> I added a blocker for MCC ont working
20:13:23 <MrsB> isn't it being replaced with mate-polkit?
20:13:24 <lewyssmith> not
20:13:32 <napcok> not
20:13:38 <wilcal> I found a tough problem in KDE/Nvidia
20:14:12 <wilcal> KWrite won't launch from the desktop icon
20:14:24 <wilcal> Kwrite won't launch in M4B2 from a Nvidia KDE desktop
20:14:25 <lewyssmith> Load so f thing wont
20:14:26 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11946
20:14:27 <[mbot> Bug 11946: major, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Kwrite won't launch in M4B2 from a Nvidia KDE desktop
20:14:33 <MrsB> So in your opinion (everybody) what is now blocking release of beta 2?
20:15:04 <MrsB> we know there will be bugs, but anything sufficiently serious to prevent release of beta 2
20:15:10 <lewyssmith> Gnome - unless improved as Bill says; MCC; LXDE/KDEapps
20:15:15 <MrsB> apart from gnome live isos not being tested yet
20:15:25 <wilcal> Ya REALLY BIG improvements to Gnome
20:15:36 <wilcal> Live-CD anyway
20:15:55 <wilcal> I see no reason to not release M4B2 now
20:15:58 <lewyssmith> Gnome is/was *unuseable* on Classic install 32-bit, & the Live of course
20:16:16 <wilcal> I just tested the Gnome Live-CD today
20:16:19 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What about the other things I note?
20:16:59 <lewyssmith> You can NOT have MCC not working!
20:17:00 <MrsB> I think gnome now uses llvm if your gpu isn't powerful enough, llvm is cpu rendering iinm.
20:17:03 <wilcal> Ya I'm see'n all that but like everyone I'm concentrating on things that effect me directly
20:17:16 <wilcal> I'm not having problems launching the MCC here
20:17:36 <lewyssmith> I have raised a bug detailing where it works & does not for me
20:17:42 <wilcal> Not in KDE anyway and also in Gnome
20:17:43 <ennael> hi there, sorry I'm late
20:17:50 <MrsB> hi ennael
20:17:55 <wilcal> Hi ya ennael
20:18:03 <Kernewes> ennael: hi ennael
20:18:31 <MrsB> do you have any input on the issues being mentioned ennael?
20:18:54 <ennael> well I'm using vbox on my side
20:19:17 <ennael> the only issues I can see in classical isos is default session in dual
20:19:20 <ennael> (drak3d)
20:19:40 <ennael> we are trying to reach lightdm devs to find the reason of this
20:19:53 <ennael> in installer, network appears not configured in summary
20:20:05 <MrsB> that's been ongoing
20:20:08 <ennael> other than that, it looks quite ok
20:20:54 <MrsB> what are you wanting to do with the dual? release without it, or with it as it is?
20:21:15 <ennael> well we are waiting for some answer and no idea when it will be
20:21:22 <ennael> so maybe release beta 2 as it
20:21:36 <ennael> I do not have any pb with mcc
20:21:47 <MrsB> in fr ?
20:21:58 <ennael> fr and en
20:22:41 <lewyssmith> For me it works in 1 1/2 desktops out of 5
20:23:06 <lewyssmith> But things hve been updated...
20:23:10 <MrsB> mcc lewis?
20:23:15 <lewyssmith> Yes
20:23:25 <lewyssmith> Well, ISOs
20:23:41 <MrsB> can you be more specific?
20:24:02 <lewyssmith> I PAD'd it & detailed in a bug
20:24:18 <lewyssmith> It is longish to describ3
20:24:27 <MrsB> is it likely to be to do with your SiS video?
20:24:41 * MrsB hasn't caught up with the bugs yet
20:24:43 <lewyssmith> Don't think so, but who knows?
20:25:08 <MrsB> could you try the new live gnome isos please
20:25:18 <lewyssmith> Will do
20:25:27 <MrsB> thanks :)
20:25:29 <wilcal> Which GUI are you using on your SiS system?
20:25:53 <lewyssmith> KDE, Gnome (not really), LXDE, XFCE, Mate
20:26:11 <wilcal> I haven't broken out my old SiS system yet for M4 testing
20:26:12 <lewyssmith> I gave up on cinnamon
20:26:22 <lewyssmith> Too slow
20:26:42 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: have you got several installed at the same time?
20:26:43 <wilcal> My M3 print server is an SiS system and it uses LXDE
20:26:55 <lewyssmith> Classic installer allows them all
20:27:03 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I think Xfce doesn't get on well with some of the others
20:27:08 <lewyssmith> You chose at login
20:27:25 <lewyssmith> XFCE is better than most of the other except Mate
20:27:46 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: Xfce can cause problems if it's installed alongside LXDE in particular
20:27:56 <lewyssmith> It is better than LXDE
20:28:10 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: perhaps try different ones on different partitions?
20:28:27 <lewyssmith> One install takes 1/5H + DVD-ing
20:28:47 <lewyssmith> 1.5h
20:28:48 <MrsB> it's very time consuming
20:28:53 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: true
20:28:56 <MrsB> morning ca-on-adam
20:29:01 <ca-on-adam> hi
20:29:10 <MrsB> how are you finding beta 2?
20:29:41 <ca-on-adam> me? I'm still playing catch-up with the dorsync script
20:29:53 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: Wonder if the LXDE weaknesses are down to XFCE alongside?
20:29:58 <ca-on-adam> the images keep changing, 1 dec, 6 dec, 9 dec, 11 dec
20:30:06 <lewyssmith> Too right
20:30:11 <MrsB> yes things change quickly
20:30:13 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: that's what I wondered
20:30:30 <MrsB> the sync is usually short though
20:30:37 <lewyssmith> No it is not!
20:30:49 <wilcal> 11 Dec Gnome Live-CD is golden
20:30:53 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: although I had more problems with LXDE on Mga3 than on Mga2
20:31:10 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: with only KDE on apart from LXDE
20:31:23 <MrsB> the latest are 12th Dec wilcal
20:31:27 <ca-on-adam> my stupid wireless gateway is causing slowdowns to 30kb/s so I need to speed it up or I'll keep getting overlapped
20:31:31 <lewyssmith> Try Mate- it' super
20:31:40 <Kernewes> I like Mate
20:31:52 <lewyssmith> XFCE is as good
20:31:56 <MrsB> ohh that's slow ca-on-adam :(
20:31:57 <Kernewes> can't we put it on instead of Gnome this time round
20:32:07 <Kernewes> we can say it's temporary
20:32:12 <lewyssmith> My own thought
20:33:20 <lewyssmith> But we must try the 'new'  Gnome first
20:33:33 <MrsB> Let's try and summarise for now if we can.. Classic ISOs are ready for beta 2 release (probably) and live kde is ok. New Live Gnome (12/12) still need tests.
20:33:57 <wilcal> Classic's are good to go but I don't know the condition of Gnome in them
20:34:24 <lewyssmith> The last I tried it was *not* teneable
20:34:25 <wilcal> Newest Gnome Live-CD is good to go I haven't tested any of the others
20:34:28 <ca-on-adam> I'm 6hrs from completing Live Gnome 12 dec
20:34:35 <ca-on-adam> ...the download, that is
20:34:39 <wilcal> Oh.....my
20:35:30 <MrsB> Ok, I know Dave was going to test those when he woke up but it'd be good to get more eyes on them please.
20:35:48 <MrsB> gnome has been a bit of an issue so far hasn't it
20:35:54 <lewyssmith> When was the latest Classic?
20:35:57 <wilcal> Yes big time
20:36:02 <MrsB> although for me at least it's been OK once installed
20:36:15 <wilcal> Once installed it was much better
20:36:18 <lewyssmith> Not for me at all
20:36:28 <wilcal> Not perfect though, until today
20:36:36 <ca-on-adam> MrsB: when you say "live Gnome" do you mean CD DVD or both?
20:36:47 <wilcal> CD is the only one I tested
20:36:50 <MrsB> both ca-on-adam
20:37:03 <wilcal> Always in Vbox
20:37:15 <lewyssmith> Will new Gnome it be on the latest Classic?
20:37:43 <MrsB> last classic were 6th/7th Dec AFAICT
20:37:49 <MrsB> apart from dual
20:38:20 <MrsB> ennael ^^ please
20:38:23 <lewyssmith> In which case, Gnome installed has all the woes of Live runnung
20:38:41 <ennael> ?
20:38:51 <ca-on-adam> MrsB: 10-Dec for classic dvds
20:39:06 <MrsB> gnome live was updated as it was removing half of gnome when removing 'unused' packages
20:39:16 <MrsB> thanks ca-on-adam
20:40:04 <lewyssmith> See the mailing list for my Gnome whinges - serious ones
20:40:19 <MrsB> i saw about it running very slowly for you
20:40:30 <MrsB> i think that may be down to using LLVM
20:40:40 <lewyssmith> That was the least of it
20:41:15 <lewyssmith> All those changing backgrounds
20:41:23 <MrsB> the white flickering?
20:41:51 <lewyssmith> Windows staying on-screen afterprogram end, leaving trails when moved
20:42:03 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Yes
20:42:06 <MrsB> yes, that's affected everybody
20:42:13 <wilcal> Trails are gone in 11-Dec Live-CD
20:42:25 <lewyssmith> Blue, white, blue squares, grey at startup, green
20:42:39 <wilcal> All that stuff is gone in the new Live-CD
20:43:01 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Good & thanks. And for the Classic?
20:43:54 <wilcal> I've not had many major problems with the Classic except the problem with KDE/Kwrite/Nvidia thing mentioned above
20:44:10 <wilcal> I'm still poke'n at that one
20:44:41 <lewyssmith> What about Panorama crashing?
20:44:44 <wilcal> I've not done my Gnome testing because up until today it was pretty unusable
20:44:57 <lewyssmith> All desktops, hard fault
20:45:11 <lewyssmith> Have you tried Music outside Gnome?
20:45:48 <lewyssmith> I tried *all* installed applications under 6 desktops
20:46:25 <lewyssmith> I lie - not under Gnome!
20:46:58 <wilcal> I'm not having any issue with multimedia stuff on M4B2
20:47:13 <wilcal> Openshot works great as well as VLC
20:47:38 <wilcal> I've got a friend using M4 and Midi playback
20:48:23 <lewyssmith> I had a problem with 2 KDE applications that wanted plugins to play/show what I had...
20:48:44 <lewyssmith> offered to get them, but did nothing. No sound or film.
20:48:59 <wilcal> which apps?
20:48:59 <MrsB> could you create a bug report fr that lewis please
20:49:01 <lewyssmith> All noted in PAD
20:49:09 <MrsB> (if not done already)
20:49:40 <lewyssmith> Not yet. I am launching into Bugs at last.
20:50:07 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Cannot remeber offhand
20:50:39 <wilcal> I watch my multimedia apps pretty closely because of all the video editing I do
20:50:43 <MrsB> #info There are still bugs, Gnome Live isos (12/12) still to be tested, classic isos are mainly ok apart from dual which boots to drak3d, we'll probably release as it is though. Live KDE is fine.
20:50:50 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Amarok, DrogonPlayer
20:51:29 <wilcal> I've really concentrated on VLC cuz there are upstream bugs in a lot of the other multimedia apps
20:51:39 <MrsB> shall we move on then guys? I'll email dave later about making a dcesion to release.
20:51:54 <lewyssmith> Move on
20:52:05 <wilcal> Here's another M4 problem I'm having:
20:52:06 <wilcal> I am just not happy at all with the M4 ( USB ) printer set up process.
20:52:08 <wilcal> It's not intuitive. I have to put more time into it to understand
20:52:09 <wilcal> what's ( not ) going on there.
20:52:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11248
20:52:12 <[mbot> Bug 11248: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Print CUPS server not working on ( M4 ) Cauldron
20:52:12 <MrsB> the gnome lives will need to be tested before we can release though
20:52:30 <Kernewes> wilcal: what brand of printer?
20:53:32 <Kernewes> wilcal: there's an existing bug report I added to about HP printers
20:53:43 <MrsB> let's move on for now then
20:53:49 <Kernewes> wilcal: in some cases you have to add task-printing-scanning manually
20:54:02 <MrsB> thankyou all for your input today and testing so far!
20:54:08 <wilcal> HP All-in-One pretty generic. I've used it for years on Mandriva/Mageia
20:54:20 <MrsB> One last push should see beta 2 out of the door
20:54:26 <wilcal> Yep
20:54:47 <MrsB> #topic Updating Stable ISOs
20:55:03 <MrsB> That kept you guessing didn't it :)
20:55:45 <MrsB> We talked about this a few weeks ago and we'd like to try and release some updated ISOs for Mageia 3
20:55:54 <MrsB> maybe even regular releases
20:56:14 <Kernewes> yeah I saw that in the minutes
20:56:53 <MrsB> Does anybody have any opinions about this? It would mean fresh QA tests, maybe monthly
20:57:08 <Kernewes> just one partway through would be enough, surely
20:57:19 <Kernewes> it would still cut down the number of updates to install
20:57:28 <wilcal> I think I've suggested this before
20:57:38 <MrsB> well, we can certainly do one and see how it goes and then decide whether to do it moe regularly
20:57:43 <lewyssmith> Why do this when Mag4 is out?
20:57:59 <wilcal> I think it's a good idea, certainly just before a release goes obsolete
20:58:01 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I still use Mga2 sometimes :)
20:58:15 <MrsB> It was brought up when people upgraded from 2 to 3, there was a huge amount of updates to install
20:58:50 <wilcal> So a month after M2 goes obsolete release Classic Installers
20:58:53 <Kernewes> I'd always advise a fresh install rather than an upgrade, of any OS
20:58:57 <leuhmanu> all packages installed since there was a mass build
20:59:25 <wilcal> I tested a M3 -> M4 upgrade last week and that worked  :-))))
21:00:02 <lewyssmith> So if one downloads updated M3 to upgrade, why not M4 directly?
21:00:23 <MrsB> wilcal, great that you've started testign that
21:00:51 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I think that would be to upgrade from M2 to M3 not to M4
21:00:56 <MrsB> some like to stay a release behind lewis, it's often more stable that way
21:01:05 <wilcal> If you have a large committment to lets say M3 then you'd like to have an updated ISO at end of life
21:01:16 * Kernewes is finding Mga3 better now than when it first came out
21:01:21 <wilcal> I had over 800 Mandriva somethings in the field once
21:01:40 <MrsB> surprised the rain didn't kill them
21:02:23 <wilcal> None of them were on a network and they worked pretty good SiS framebuffer Retail space ( Home Depot )
21:02:43 <Kernewes> it would be good to have an updated ISO a few months after release when some more bugs have been fixed
21:02:50 <wilcal> I've still got a couple of'em here
21:03:24 <MrsB> there's no technical reason why there can't be weekly or even daily isos, only the amount of work it takes to QA them
21:03:31 <wilcal> 18mo cycle release 2nd updated ISO's at 9mo then one final after obsolete
21:03:45 <lewyssmith> I am certainly in favour of periodic updated ISOs of the current release
21:03:47 <Kernewes> yes, it's the workload that would be the limiting factor
21:04:11 <wilcal> should not have a lot of problems. Should work right?
21:04:18 <MrsB> we can try some though i think, maybe after release and decide then how much work it was and how often it can be managed
21:04:58 <MrsB> in theory they should be fairly straight forward
21:05:13 <MrsB> we know how theory tends to go though don't we :)
21:05:23 <Kernewes> MrsB: don't use that word straightforward, you'll jinx it from the start :)
21:05:39 <MrsB> also in theory though the more often there are new ones the less changes between them and the easier they should be
21:05:41 <lewyssmith> She split it!
21:05:59 <MrsB> *touch wood*
21:06:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: stop hitting me on the head
21:06:25 <MrsB> but it's fun :D
21:06:41 <MrsB> Do we all agree to have a go at this then?
21:06:56 <Kernewes> yes, go for it, I should be back in action to help out
21:07:45 * MrsB takes silence as agreement
21:07:51 <wilcal> agreed
21:08:06 <wilcal> Is Luigi here??
21:08:09 <lewyssmith> OK
21:08:35 <MrsB> #info we all think updated stable isos would be a good idea, we can work out the details as time allows
21:08:55 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup
21:08:58 <Luigi12_work> boo
21:08:58 * Kernewes going to round up another cuppa
21:09:03 <MrsB> ahaaaa
21:09:11 <MrsB> morning Luigi12_work
21:09:18 * Luigi12_work liked MrsB's rain comment, that was clever
21:09:26 <MrsB> :D
21:09:53 <Luigi12_work> so tmb is rounding up some newer kernels for mga3 again
21:09:57 <MrsB> Disco Dave!
21:10:03 <lewyssmith> Glad you are still alive Dave
21:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, forgot this was Thursday!
21:10:07 <Luigi12_work> I think I fixed the issue DavidWHodgins found with installing varnish
21:10:36 <wilcal> Hi ya David
21:10:41 <MrsB> I'll work on clearing some updates
21:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
21:10:51 <Luigi12_work> I don't know what to do about fcron and don't know when Oden will have time to look at it, he has another job working for the company that makes mariadb now
21:10:53 <MrsB> did you sleep dave?
21:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> Off and on.
21:11:17 <DavidWHodgins> Still tired
21:11:18 <MrsB> maybe email dev about it Luigi12_work?
21:11:40 <MrsB> if it's not a regression then technically we could push it and create a new bug
21:11:56 <Luigi12_work> there are some other packages that need update work, but I can't do them all myself https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp%3Asecu%20-%40qa-b&list_id=18130  also I have class the next two weeks starting Monday, so yeah I guess I should e-mail the dev list, because without some help, not much will get done soon
21:12:20 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: for fcron, that's probably a good idea.  Hopefully we can drop it in Cauldron like Fedora did.
21:12:37 <MrsB> yes, please do mail dev. Don't suffer in silence :)
21:12:43 <Luigi12_work> ok :o)
21:13:04 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 really needs some help with the list of updates!
21:13:18 <wilcal> I need someone to recommend a python gui app besides calibre.
21:13:19 <wilcal> That so I can help testing:
21:13:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11785
21:13:22 <[mbot> Bug 11785: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , python3 yet another ssl.match_hostname() security issue, python3-3.3.2-11.mga4.src.rpm
21:13:23 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable needs an update, but it failed to build in Cauldron
21:13:39 <Luigi12_work> I don't know how to fi xit
21:13:40 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I suggested Dia
21:13:41 <MrsB> idle3 wilcal
21:13:54 * Kernewes back
21:13:58 <Luigi12_work> other than that, there might be updates for FF/TB, PHP, and maradns soonish
21:14:01 <wilcal> Thanks
21:14:18 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me?
21:14:50 <MrsB> #info chromium-browser-stable needs an update, but it failed to build in Cauldron and Luigi12 needs assistance
21:14:56 <wilcal> I'm good Luigi
21:15:19 <MrsB> #info updates coming for FF/TB, php and maradns soonish
21:15:25 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work
21:16:15 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
21:16:20 <wilcal> If (M4) KWrite does not launch from the desktop icon which log file should I be looking at?
21:16:21 <wilcal> Launches ok from a terminal.
21:16:23 <MrsB> Is there anythign else?
21:16:38 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: ~/.xsession-errors
21:16:48 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi
21:16:50 <MrsB> yes and sometimes the journal too
21:17:17 <wilcal> thks
21:17:24 <MrsB> does it launch from terminal wilcal?
21:18:10 <wilcal> Yes it does
21:18:19 <wilcal> just fine
21:18:20 <lewyssmith> No errors visible?
21:18:36 <MrsB> likely a problem with the .desktop file
21:18:36 <wilcal> no errors and only on an Nvidia platform
21:18:41 <MrsB> oh
21:18:59 <Kernewes> I'll try and remember to look at that on this computer which has Nvidia
21:19:10 <DavidWHodgins> For the dual-dvd, I think it should be held back till bug 11613 is fixed, where the default on first boot after install is drak3d.
21:19:11 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11613 normal, Normal, ennael1, NEW , 4beta1 Dual DVD issues Nov 7th build (XFCE)
21:19:54 <wilcal> same problem if launched from the menu
21:20:00 <DavidWHodgins> I knew there was something that needed to be fixed on the dual, but couldn't remember it when I was on earlier.
21:20:14 <MrsB> Dave will you liase with anne/thomas about release decision please
21:20:29 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
21:20:37 <MrsB> There's not much point me doing it as I've missed beta 2 :\
21:20:50 <Kernewes> MrsB: so what have you been up to?
21:21:10 <MrsB> I had family come to stay hwo I don't see very often
21:21:25 <MrsB> was on best behaviour
21:21:30 <Kernewes> MrsB: hope you enjoyed it
21:21:32 <DavidWHodgins> Hope you enjoyed it!
21:21:43 <MrsB> we were doing stuff most of the time too
21:21:56 <MrsB> yes it was lovely, thankyou. Sorry to have abandoned you though
21:22:17 <wilcal> You've had some storms in the UK lately
21:22:30 <Kernewes> MrsB: I'm sure Dave will get his own back
21:22:49 <Kernewes> wilcal: we were lucky here in Cornwall and missed the worst of it
21:22:53 <MrsB> We both take little breaks now and again
21:22:57 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:23:09 <wilcal> I'm retired I get a break 24/7/360
21:23:24 <MrsB> nice!
21:23:30 <Kernewes> very nice!
21:23:37 <lewyssmith> And the other 5 days?
21:23:41 <Kernewes> I'm not allowed to retire until I'm 67
21:23:44 <MrsB> And you've booked your tickets, I saw your mail wilcal, thanks
21:24:00 <MrsB> lol lewis
21:24:03 <wilcal> United Airlines has all my $$$$$
21:24:04 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: the other 5 days he goes to maths lessons
21:24:12 <MrsB> :D
21:24:15 <wilcal> ALso I've book my hotel(s)
21:24:55 <MrsB> marja will be able to advise you with things I expect, ask her about it next time you see her
21:25:02 <Kernewes> is the meeting still on or have we finished?
21:25:08 <MrsB> oops
21:25:12 <MrsB> lets wrap up :)
21:25:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:25:21 <MrsB> was there anythign else else before we do?
21:25:27 <Kernewes> not here
21:25:27 <wilcal> Not from me
21:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> Not here
21:25:30 <lewyssmith> Good night.
21:25:33 <MrsB> ok T -5 then
21:25:35 <wilcal> bye all
21:25:37 <MrsB> 4
21:25:39 <MrsB> 3
21:25:40 <Kernewes> wilcal: bye
21:25:40 <MrsB> 2
21:25:42 <MrsB> 1
21:25:49 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody!
21:25:53 <MrsB> same time next week
21:25:56 <MrsB> #endmeeting