20:07:55 <MrsB> #startmeeting 20:07:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Dec 12 20:07:55 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:07:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:08:11 <MrsB> Hi everybody welcome to another one 20:08:28 <MrsB> #topic Who's new? 20:08:37 <MrsB> Is anybody new here today? 20:09:04 * MrsB checks the list 20:09:22 <MrsB> doesn't lo0ok like it 20:09:46 <MrsB> #topic Beta 2 20:10:00 <wilcal> Wow how much time have we??? 20:10:08 <MrsB> This is going to have to be over to you guys, as I've missed it so far :\ 20:10:22 <Kernewes> MrsB: what's been happening to you? 20:10:31 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Lucky you 20:10:31 <MrsB> Dave is going to lead the charge but he's still sleeping I think 20:10:34 <wilcal> VERY VERY positive results today for me with Gnome Live-CD 20:10:44 <wilcal> New ISO's today 20:10:53 <lewyssmith> Today? 20:11:04 <MrsB> He said earlier that classic isos were probably OK to release and new gnome needed testing 20:11:04 <wilcal> Ya just released 20:11:20 <wilcal> Classic ISO's look fine for M4B2 20:11:23 <napcok> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969 20:11:24 <[mbot> Bug 11969: critical, release_blocker, bugsquad, NEW , MCC problems with rendering sub-windows with some non-english locale, drakconf-12.44-1.mga4.src.rpm 20:11:40 <wilcal> I donno about Gnome on Classic ISO's though 20:11:41 <lewyssmith> There are problems with them.. 20:11:59 <napcok> I think this bug is very serious for lot of non-english people 20:12:01 <MrsB> we do need to release if we can do as it's only a few weeks until the RC and christmas comes between now and then 20:12:22 <lewyssmith> Gnome (to date - unreleasable); MCC not working. Cannot let that go 20:12:25 <wilcal> What is worst for you lewy 20:12:32 <MrsB> #info napcok added a blocker today for MCC in locales other than EN 20:12:48 <MrsB> i mean release beta 2 though 20:12:51 <lewyssmith> Those 2 things; plus LXDE/KDEapps problems 20:13:07 <napcok> and LXDE polkit problem 20:13:14 <lewyssmith> I added a blocker for MCC ont working 20:13:23 <MrsB> isn't it being replaced with mate-polkit? 20:13:24 <lewyssmith> not 20:13:32 <napcok> not 20:13:38 <wilcal> I found a tough problem in KDE/Nvidia 20:14:12 <wilcal> KWrite won't launch from the desktop icon 20:14:24 <wilcal> Kwrite won't launch in M4B2 from a Nvidia KDE desktop 20:14:25 <lewyssmith> Load so f thing wont 20:14:26 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11946 20:14:27 <[mbot> Bug 11946: major, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Kwrite won't launch in M4B2 from a Nvidia KDE desktop 20:14:33 <MrsB> So in your opinion (everybody) what is now blocking release of beta 2? 20:15:04 <MrsB> we know there will be bugs, but anything sufficiently serious to prevent release of beta 2 20:15:10 <lewyssmith> Gnome - unless improved as Bill says; MCC; LXDE/KDEapps 20:15:15 <MrsB> apart from gnome live isos not being tested yet 20:15:25 <wilcal> Ya REALLY BIG improvements to Gnome 20:15:36 <wilcal> Live-CD anyway 20:15:55 <wilcal> I see no reason to not release M4B2 now 20:15:58 <lewyssmith> Gnome is/was *unuseable* on Classic install 32-bit, & the Live of course 20:16:16 <wilcal> I just tested the Gnome Live-CD today 20:16:19 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What about the other things I note? 20:16:59 <lewyssmith> You can NOT have MCC not working! 20:17:00 <MrsB> I think gnome now uses llvm if your gpu isn't powerful enough, llvm is cpu rendering iinm. 20:17:03 <wilcal> Ya I'm see'n all that but like everyone I'm concentrating on things that effect me directly 20:17:16 <wilcal> I'm not having problems launching the MCC here 20:17:36 <lewyssmith> I have raised a bug detailing where it works & does not for me 20:17:42 <wilcal> Not in KDE anyway and also in Gnome 20:17:43 <ennael> hi there, sorry I'm late 20:17:50 <MrsB> hi ennael 20:17:55 <wilcal> Hi ya ennael 20:18:03 <Kernewes> ennael: hi ennael 20:18:31 <MrsB> do you have any input on the issues being mentioned ennael? 20:18:54 <ennael> well I'm using vbox on my side 20:19:17 <ennael> the only issues I can see in classical isos is default session in dual 20:19:20 <ennael> (drak3d) 20:19:40 <ennael> we are trying to reach lightdm devs to find the reason of this 20:19:53 <ennael> in installer, network appears not configured in summary 20:20:05 <MrsB> that's been ongoing 20:20:08 <ennael> other than that, it looks quite ok 20:20:54 <MrsB> what are you wanting to do with the dual? release without it, or with it as it is? 20:21:15 <ennael> well we are waiting for some answer and no idea when it will be 20:21:22 <ennael> so maybe release beta 2 as it 20:21:36 <ennael> I do not have any pb with mcc 20:21:47 <MrsB> in fr ? 20:21:58 <ennael> fr and en 20:22:41 <lewyssmith> For me it works in 1 1/2 desktops out of 5 20:23:06 <lewyssmith> But things hve been updated... 20:23:10 <MrsB> mcc lewis? 20:23:15 <lewyssmith> Yes 20:23:25 <lewyssmith> Well, ISOs 20:23:41 <MrsB> can you be more specific? 20:24:02 <lewyssmith> I PAD'd it & detailed in a bug 20:24:18 <lewyssmith> It is longish to describ3 20:24:27 <MrsB> is it likely to be to do with your SiS video? 20:24:41 * MrsB hasn't caught up with the bugs yet 20:24:43 <lewyssmith> Don't think so, but who knows? 20:25:08 <MrsB> could you try the new live gnome isos please 20:25:18 <lewyssmith> Will do 20:25:27 <MrsB> thanks :) 20:25:29 <wilcal> Which GUI are you using on your SiS system? 20:25:53 <lewyssmith> KDE, Gnome (not really), LXDE, XFCE, Mate 20:26:11 <wilcal> I haven't broken out my old SiS system yet for M4 testing 20:26:12 <lewyssmith> I gave up on cinnamon 20:26:22 <lewyssmith> Too slow 20:26:42 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: have you got several installed at the same time? 20:26:43 <wilcal> My M3 print server is an SiS system and it uses LXDE 20:26:55 <lewyssmith> Classic installer allows them all 20:27:03 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I think Xfce doesn't get on well with some of the others 20:27:08 <lewyssmith> You chose at login 20:27:25 <lewyssmith> XFCE is better than most of the other except Mate 20:27:46 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: Xfce can cause problems if it's installed alongside LXDE in particular 20:27:56 <lewyssmith> It is better than LXDE 20:28:10 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: perhaps try different ones on different partitions? 20:28:27 <lewyssmith> One install takes 1/5H + DVD-ing 20:28:47 <lewyssmith> 1.5h 20:28:48 <MrsB> it's very time consuming 20:28:53 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: true 20:28:56 <MrsB> morning ca-on-adam 20:29:01 <ca-on-adam> hi 20:29:10 <MrsB> how are you finding beta 2? 20:29:41 <ca-on-adam> me? I'm still playing catch-up with the dorsync script 20:29:53 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: Wonder if the LXDE weaknesses are down to XFCE alongside? 20:29:58 <ca-on-adam> the images keep changing, 1 dec, 6 dec, 9 dec, 11 dec 20:30:06 <lewyssmith> Too right 20:30:11 <MrsB> yes things change quickly 20:30:13 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: that's what I wondered 20:30:30 <MrsB> the sync is usually short though 20:30:37 <lewyssmith> No it is not! 20:30:49 <wilcal> 11 Dec Gnome Live-CD is golden 20:30:53 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: although I had more problems with LXDE on Mga3 than on Mga2 20:31:10 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: with only KDE on apart from LXDE 20:31:23 <MrsB> the latest are 12th Dec wilcal 20:31:27 <ca-on-adam> my stupid wireless gateway is causing slowdowns to 30kb/s so I need to speed it up or I'll keep getting overlapped 20:31:31 <lewyssmith> Try Mate- it' super 20:31:40 <Kernewes> I like Mate 20:31:52 <lewyssmith> XFCE is as good 20:31:56 <MrsB> ohh that's slow ca-on-adam :( 20:31:57 <Kernewes> can't we put it on instead of Gnome this time round 20:32:07 <Kernewes> we can say it's temporary 20:32:12 <lewyssmith> My own thought 20:33:20 <lewyssmith> But we must try the 'new' Gnome first 20:33:33 <MrsB> Let's try and summarise for now if we can.. Classic ISOs are ready for beta 2 release (probably) and live kde is ok. New Live Gnome (12/12) still need tests. 20:33:57 <wilcal> Classic's are good to go but I don't know the condition of Gnome in them 20:34:24 <lewyssmith> The last I tried it was *not* teneable 20:34:25 <wilcal> Newest Gnome Live-CD is good to go I haven't tested any of the others 20:34:28 <ca-on-adam> I'm 6hrs from completing Live Gnome 12 dec 20:34:35 <ca-on-adam> ...the download, that is 20:34:39 <wilcal> Oh.....my 20:35:30 <MrsB> Ok, I know Dave was going to test those when he woke up but it'd be good to get more eyes on them please. 20:35:48 <MrsB> gnome has been a bit of an issue so far hasn't it 20:35:54 <lewyssmith> When was the latest Classic? 20:35:57 <wilcal> Yes big time 20:36:02 <MrsB> although for me at least it's been OK once installed 20:36:15 <wilcal> Once installed it was much better 20:36:18 <lewyssmith> Not for me at all 20:36:28 <wilcal> Not perfect though, until today 20:36:36 <ca-on-adam> MrsB: when you say "live Gnome" do you mean CD DVD or both? 20:36:47 <wilcal> CD is the only one I tested 20:36:50 <MrsB> both ca-on-adam 20:37:03 <wilcal> Always in Vbox 20:37:15 <lewyssmith> Will new Gnome it be on the latest Classic? 20:37:43 <MrsB> last classic were 6th/7th Dec AFAICT 20:37:49 <MrsB> apart from dual 20:38:20 <MrsB> ennael ^^ please 20:38:23 <lewyssmith> In which case, Gnome installed has all the woes of Live runnung 20:38:41 <ennael> ? 20:38:51 <ca-on-adam> MrsB: 10-Dec for classic dvds 20:39:06 <MrsB> gnome live was updated as it was removing half of gnome when removing 'unused' packages 20:39:16 <MrsB> thanks ca-on-adam 20:40:04 <lewyssmith> See the mailing list for my Gnome whinges - serious ones 20:40:19 <MrsB> i saw about it running very slowly for you 20:40:30 <MrsB> i think that may be down to using LLVM 20:40:40 <lewyssmith> That was the least of it 20:41:15 <lewyssmith> All those changing backgrounds 20:41:23 <MrsB> the white flickering? 20:41:51 <lewyssmith> Windows staying on-screen afterprogram end, leaving trails when moved 20:42:03 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Yes 20:42:06 <MrsB> yes, that's affected everybody 20:42:13 <wilcal> Trails are gone in 11-Dec Live-CD 20:42:25 <lewyssmith> Blue, white, blue squares, grey at startup, green 20:42:39 <wilcal> All that stuff is gone in the new Live-CD 20:43:01 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Good & thanks. And for the Classic? 20:43:54 <wilcal> I've not had many major problems with the Classic except the problem with KDE/Kwrite/Nvidia thing mentioned above 20:44:10 <wilcal> I'm still poke'n at that one 20:44:41 <lewyssmith> What about Panorama crashing? 20:44:44 <wilcal> I've not done my Gnome testing because up until today it was pretty unusable 20:44:57 <lewyssmith> All desktops, hard fault 20:45:11 <lewyssmith> Have you tried Music outside Gnome? 20:45:48 <lewyssmith> I tried *all* installed applications under 6 desktops 20:46:25 <lewyssmith> I lie - not under Gnome! 20:46:58 <wilcal> I'm not having any issue with multimedia stuff on M4B2 20:47:13 <wilcal> Openshot works great as well as VLC 20:47:38 <wilcal> I've got a friend using M4 and Midi playback 20:48:23 <lewyssmith> I had a problem with 2 KDE applications that wanted plugins to play/show what I had... 20:48:44 <lewyssmith> offered to get them, but did nothing. No sound or film. 20:48:59 <wilcal> which apps? 20:48:59 <MrsB> could you create a bug report fr that lewis please 20:49:01 <lewyssmith> All noted in PAD 20:49:09 <MrsB> (if not done already) 20:49:40 <lewyssmith> Not yet. I am launching into Bugs at last. 20:50:07 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Cannot remeber offhand 20:50:39 <wilcal> I watch my multimedia apps pretty closely because of all the video editing I do 20:50:43 <MrsB> #info There are still bugs, Gnome Live isos (12/12) still to be tested, classic isos are mainly ok apart from dual which boots to drak3d, we'll probably release as it is though. Live KDE is fine. 20:50:50 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Amarok, DrogonPlayer 20:51:29 <wilcal> I've really concentrated on VLC cuz there are upstream bugs in a lot of the other multimedia apps 20:51:39 <MrsB> shall we move on then guys? I'll email dave later about making a dcesion to release. 20:51:54 <lewyssmith> Move on 20:52:05 <wilcal> Here's another M4 problem I'm having: 20:52:06 <wilcal> I am just not happy at all with the M4 ( USB ) printer set up process. 20:52:08 <wilcal> It's not intuitive. I have to put more time into it to understand 20:52:09 <wilcal> what's ( not ) going on there. 20:52:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11248 20:52:12 <[mbot> Bug 11248: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Print CUPS server not working on ( M4 ) Cauldron 20:52:12 <MrsB> the gnome lives will need to be tested before we can release though 20:52:30 <Kernewes> wilcal: what brand of printer? 20:53:32 <Kernewes> wilcal: there's an existing bug report I added to about HP printers 20:53:43 <MrsB> let's move on for now then 20:53:49 <Kernewes> wilcal: in some cases you have to add task-printing-scanning manually 20:54:02 <MrsB> thankyou all for your input today and testing so far! 20:54:08 <wilcal> HP All-in-One pretty generic. I've used it for years on Mandriva/Mageia 20:54:20 <MrsB> One last push should see beta 2 out of the door 20:54:26 <wilcal> Yep 20:54:47 <MrsB> #topic Updating Stable ISOs 20:55:03 <MrsB> That kept you guessing didn't it :) 20:55:45 <MrsB> We talked about this a few weeks ago and we'd like to try and release some updated ISOs for Mageia 3 20:55:54 <MrsB> maybe even regular releases 20:56:14 <Kernewes> yeah I saw that in the minutes 20:56:53 <MrsB> Does anybody have any opinions about this? It would mean fresh QA tests, maybe monthly 20:57:08 <Kernewes> just one partway through would be enough, surely 20:57:19 <Kernewes> it would still cut down the number of updates to install 20:57:28 <wilcal> I think I've suggested this before 20:57:38 <MrsB> well, we can certainly do one and see how it goes and then decide whether to do it moe regularly 20:57:43 <lewyssmith> Why do this when Mag4 is out? 20:57:59 <wilcal> I think it's a good idea, certainly just before a release goes obsolete 20:58:01 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I still use Mga2 sometimes :) 20:58:15 <MrsB> It was brought up when people upgraded from 2 to 3, there was a huge amount of updates to install 20:58:50 <wilcal> So a month after M2 goes obsolete release Classic Installers 20:58:53 <Kernewes> I'd always advise a fresh install rather than an upgrade, of any OS 20:58:57 <leuhmanu> all packages installed since there was a mass build 20:59:25 <wilcal> I tested a M3 -> M4 upgrade last week and that worked :-)))) 21:00:02 <lewyssmith> So if one downloads updated M3 to upgrade, why not M4 directly? 21:00:23 <MrsB> wilcal, great that you've started testign that 21:00:51 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: I think that would be to upgrade from M2 to M3 not to M4 21:00:56 <MrsB> some like to stay a release behind lewis, it's often more stable that way 21:01:05 <wilcal> If you have a large committment to lets say M3 then you'd like to have an updated ISO at end of life 21:01:16 * Kernewes is finding Mga3 better now than when it first came out 21:01:21 <wilcal> I had over 800 Mandriva somethings in the field once 21:01:40 <MrsB> surprised the rain didn't kill them 21:02:23 <wilcal> None of them were on a network and they worked pretty good SiS framebuffer Retail space ( Home Depot ) 21:02:43 <Kernewes> it would be good to have an updated ISO a few months after release when some more bugs have been fixed 21:02:50 <wilcal> I've still got a couple of'em here 21:03:24 <MrsB> there's no technical reason why there can't be weekly or even daily isos, only the amount of work it takes to QA them 21:03:31 <wilcal> 18mo cycle release 2nd updated ISO's at 9mo then one final after obsolete 21:03:45 <lewyssmith> I am certainly in favour of periodic updated ISOs of the current release 21:03:47 <Kernewes> yes, it's the workload that would be the limiting factor 21:04:11 <wilcal> should not have a lot of problems. Should work right? 21:04:18 <MrsB> we can try some though i think, maybe after release and decide then how much work it was and how often it can be managed 21:04:58 <MrsB> in theory they should be fairly straight forward 21:05:13 <MrsB> we know how theory tends to go though don't we :) 21:05:23 <Kernewes> MrsB: don't use that word straightforward, you'll jinx it from the start :) 21:05:39 <MrsB> also in theory though the more often there are new ones the less changes between them and the easier they should be 21:05:41 <lewyssmith> She split it! 21:05:59 <MrsB> *touch wood* 21:06:12 <Kernewes> MrsB: stop hitting me on the head 21:06:25 <MrsB> but it's fun :D 21:06:41 <MrsB> Do we all agree to have a go at this then? 21:06:56 <Kernewes> yes, go for it, I should be back in action to help out 21:07:45 * MrsB takes silence as agreement 21:07:51 <wilcal> agreed 21:08:06 <wilcal> Is Luigi here?? 21:08:09 <lewyssmith> OK 21:08:35 <MrsB> #info we all think updated stable isos would be a good idea, we can work out the details as time allows 21:08:55 <MrsB> #topic Luigi's Roundup 21:08:58 <Luigi12_work> boo 21:08:58 * Kernewes going to round up another cuppa 21:09:03 <MrsB> ahaaaa 21:09:11 <MrsB> morning Luigi12_work 21:09:18 * Luigi12_work liked MrsB's rain comment, that was clever 21:09:26 <MrsB> :D 21:09:53 <Luigi12_work> so tmb is rounding up some newer kernels for mga3 again 21:09:57 <MrsB> Disco Dave! 21:10:03 <lewyssmith> Glad you are still alive Dave 21:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry, forgot this was Thursday! 21:10:07 <Luigi12_work> I think I fixed the issue DavidWHodgins found with installing varnish 21:10:36 <wilcal> Hi ya David 21:10:41 <MrsB> I'll work on clearing some updates 21:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa 21:10:51 <Luigi12_work> I don't know what to do about fcron and don't know when Oden will have time to look at it, he has another job working for the company that makes mariadb now 21:10:53 <MrsB> did you sleep dave? 21:11:04 <DavidWHodgins> Off and on. 21:11:17 <DavidWHodgins> Still tired 21:11:18 <MrsB> maybe email dev about it Luigi12_work? 21:11:40 <MrsB> if it's not a regression then technically we could push it and create a new bug 21:11:56 <Luigi12_work> there are some other packages that need update work, but I can't do them all myself https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp%3Asecu%20-%40qa-b&list_id=18130 also I have class the next two weeks starting Monday, so yeah I guess I should e-mail the dev list, because without some help, not much will get done soon 21:12:20 <Luigi12_work> MrsB: for fcron, that's probably a good idea. Hopefully we can drop it in Cauldron like Fedora did. 21:12:37 <MrsB> yes, please do mail dev. Don't suffer in silence :) 21:12:43 <Luigi12_work> ok :o) 21:13:04 <MrsB> #info Luigi12 really needs some help with the list of updates! 21:13:18 <wilcal> I need someone to recommend a python gui app besides calibre. 21:13:19 <wilcal> That so I can help testing: 21:13:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11785 21:13:22 <[mbot> Bug 11785: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , python3 yet another ssl.match_hostname() security issue, python3-3.3.2-11.mga4.src.rpm 21:13:23 <Luigi12_work> chromium-browser-stable needs an update, but it failed to build in Cauldron 21:13:39 <Luigi12_work> I don't know how to fi xit 21:13:40 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I suggested Dia 21:13:41 <MrsB> idle3 wilcal 21:13:54 * Kernewes back 21:13:58 <Luigi12_work> other than that, there might be updates for FF/TB, PHP, and maradns soonish 21:14:01 <wilcal> Thanks 21:14:18 <Luigi12_work> any questions for me? 21:14:50 <MrsB> #info chromium-browser-stable needs an update, but it failed to build in Cauldron and Luigi12 needs assistance 21:14:56 <wilcal> I'm good Luigi 21:15:19 <MrsB> #info updates coming for FF/TB, php and maradns soonish 21:15:25 <MrsB> thanks for that Luigi12_work 21:16:15 <MrsB> #topic Anything else? 21:16:20 <wilcal> If (M4) KWrite does not launch from the desktop icon which log file should I be looking at? 21:16:21 <wilcal> Launches ok from a terminal. 21:16:23 <MrsB> Is there anythign else? 21:16:38 <Luigi12_work> wilcal: ~/.xsession-errors 21:16:48 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi 21:16:50 <MrsB> yes and sometimes the journal too 21:17:17 <wilcal> thks 21:17:24 <MrsB> does it launch from terminal wilcal? 21:18:10 <wilcal> Yes it does 21:18:19 <wilcal> just fine 21:18:20 <lewyssmith> No errors visible? 21:18:36 <MrsB> likely a problem with the .desktop file 21:18:36 <wilcal> no errors and only on an Nvidia platform 21:18:41 <MrsB> oh 21:18:59 <Kernewes> I'll try and remember to look at that on this computer which has Nvidia 21:19:10 <DavidWHodgins> For the dual-dvd, I think it should be held back till bug 11613 is fixed, where the default on first boot after install is drak3d. 21:19:11 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11613 normal, Normal, ennael1, NEW , 4beta1 Dual DVD issues Nov 7th build (XFCE) 21:19:54 <wilcal> same problem if launched from the menu 21:20:00 <DavidWHodgins> I knew there was something that needed to be fixed on the dual, but couldn't remember it when I was on earlier. 21:20:14 <MrsB> Dave will you liase with anne/thomas about release decision please 21:20:29 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 21:20:37 <MrsB> There's not much point me doing it as I've missed beta 2 :\ 21:20:50 <Kernewes> MrsB: so what have you been up to? 21:21:10 <MrsB> I had family come to stay hwo I don't see very often 21:21:25 <MrsB> was on best behaviour 21:21:30 <Kernewes> MrsB: hope you enjoyed it 21:21:32 <DavidWHodgins> Hope you enjoyed it! 21:21:43 <MrsB> we were doing stuff most of the time too 21:21:56 <MrsB> yes it was lovely, thankyou. Sorry to have abandoned you though 21:22:17 <wilcal> You've had some storms in the UK lately 21:22:30 <Kernewes> MrsB: I'm sure Dave will get his own back 21:22:49 <Kernewes> wilcal: we were lucky here in Cornwall and missed the worst of it 21:22:53 <MrsB> We both take little breaks now and again 21:22:57 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 21:23:09 <wilcal> I'm retired I get a break 24/7/360 21:23:24 <MrsB> nice! 21:23:30 <Kernewes> very nice! 21:23:37 <lewyssmith> And the other 5 days? 21:23:41 <Kernewes> I'm not allowed to retire until I'm 67 21:23:44 <MrsB> And you've booked your tickets, I saw your mail wilcal, thanks 21:24:00 <MrsB> lol lewis 21:24:03 <wilcal> United Airlines has all my $$$$$ 21:24:04 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: the other 5 days he goes to maths lessons 21:24:12 <MrsB> :D 21:24:15 <wilcal> ALso I've book my hotel(s) 21:24:55 <MrsB> marja will be able to advise you with things I expect, ask her about it next time you see her 21:25:02 <Kernewes> is the meeting still on or have we finished? 21:25:08 <MrsB> oops 21:25:12 <MrsB> lets wrap up :) 21:25:19 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:25:21 <MrsB> was there anythign else else before we do? 21:25:27 <Kernewes> not here 21:25:27 <wilcal> Not from me 21:25:28 <DavidWHodgins> Not here 21:25:30 <lewyssmith> Good night. 21:25:33 <MrsB> ok T -5 then 21:25:35 <wilcal> bye all 21:25:37 <MrsB> 4 21:25:39 <MrsB> 3 21:25:40 <Kernewes> wilcal: bye 21:25:40 <MrsB> 2 21:25:42 <MrsB> 1 21:25:49 <MrsB> thanks for coming everybody! 21:25:53 <MrsB> same time next week 21:25:56 <MrsB> #endmeeting