20:03:47 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:03:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Dec 5 20:03:47 2013 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? if you're new then come along and say hi! 20:04:28 <lewyssmith> Chakib? 20:04:41 <DavidWHodgins> So, anyone here who has not partitcipated in a qa irc meeting before? 20:05:35 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like he found the qa channel 20:05:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 4, beta 2. 20:06:08 <DavidWHodgins> How's everone getting on with there tests of beta 2? 20:06:29 <wilcal> For the most part everything looks pretty good here 20:06:32 <lewyssmith> I'm bogged down in the full classic 32-bit DVD with 6 desktops 20:06:33 <dvg> Not completing as described in pad 20:06:45 <wilcal> I had a major problem with DUAL though 20:06:49 <lewyssmith> 2 down, 4 to go 20:06:53 <wilcal> could'nt log in 20:07:02 <DavidWHodgins> I've been limited to testing under vb due to bug 11797, except for the latest boot-nonfree.iso, which is working. 20:07:03 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, classic installer fails in partitioning step. Can't locate object method "child1_shrink", drakxtools-backend 20:07:23 <DavidWHodgins> So that one should be fixed in the next iso images. 20:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Which bug # 20:07:39 <dvg> Correct 20:07:54 <lewyssmith> What arch? 20:07:59 <wilcal> I have'nt created a bug for it yet, just encountered it a couple hours ago 20:08:04 <wilcal> 32-bit 20:08:16 <DavidWHodgins> Which desktop? 20:08:22 <lewyssmith> I got through 32-bit Classic install. 20:09:15 <wilcal> tried to It's only xcfe or something isn't it? 20:09:24 <DavidWHodgins> #info New iso images for beta 2 are expected on Saturday. 20:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Which iso? 20:09:47 <wilcal> Mageia 4 beta2 - Dual iso 20:09:48 <wilcal> Date.txt: Sun Dec 1 10:45:39 CET 2013 20:09:50 <wilcal> Iso name: Mageia-4-beta2-dual-DVD.iso 20:09:51 <wilcal> MD5SUM: f615683e1ddb58029408aa93ab5b6c94 20:09:59 <wilcal> I've noted it in PAD 20:10:14 <lewyssmith> I hope somebody reads that 20:10:35 <DavidWHodgins> Please open a bug report about it too. 20:10:39 <wilcal> I tried to install twice and both installes failed the same way 20:10:51 <wilcal> will do after this meeting 20:10:58 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks 20:11:43 <DavidWHodgins> As beta 2 is scheduled for release on Monday, we'll have to really make an effort to test the iso images on Sat. and Sun. 20:11:50 <dvg> I haven't seen any reaction on the misbehavious of some boot screen options. any ideas on those? 20:12:12 <lewyssmith> Which ones? 20:12:17 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure which ones you mean. 20:12:21 <wilcal> I was successful to upgrade an up-to-date M3 to M4B2 using 32-bit Classic Installer 20:12:24 <dvg> as per pad 20:12:43 <dvg> Boot from HD: not ok, says "Booting from local disk..." but it does not, machine needs to be reset. 20:12:43 <dvg> Rescue system: When choosing "Mount your partitions under /mnt", it actually mounts none 20:12:43 <dvg> Memtest: Not ok, says "Press F1 for failsafe, press F2 for ... SMP", but F1 reboots and F2 causes machine to freeze and needs to be reset 20:12:43 <dvg> HDT (Hardware Detection Tool): Not ok: Main menu, first choice (PCI Devices) gives error "The pci.ids file is missing" 20:13:26 <dvg> been there in 1st round. pinged the list after isos were made available. 20:13:34 <DavidWHodgins> Has a bug report been opened for that? 20:13:46 <dvg> are they serious enough to do so? 20:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> The pad is mainly for qa people to know what's been tested/not tested, and errors found. Bug reports are needed to get the actual bugs fixed. 20:14:33 <DavidWHodgins> dvg: Yes. Not a release blocker, but the bug reports need to be opened. 20:14:44 <dvg> ok. will do 20:14:58 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks 20:15:22 <lewyssmith> dvg: I only tested Hardware Detection Tool once, it was fine then. 20:15:33 <dvg> but pinging list and referring to pad makes it already aware to the gentle people who provide the isos :) 20:15:48 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: It runs, but the pci scan fails, if selected. 20:16:07 <dvg> always test all options i find in each new iso. these were never ok 20:16:18 <lewyssmith> Useful to know 20:16:54 <lewyssmith> I find my hands >full just being normal. 20:17:03 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions or comments on Beta 2? 20:17:15 <wilcal> one 20:17:23 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11248 20:17:24 <[mbot> Bug 11248: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Print CUPS server not working on ( M4 ) Cauldron 20:17:24 <wilcal> The CUPS server not working on ( M4 ) Cauldron 20:17:26 <wilcal> Many thanks to all for working with me on this one 20:17:27 <wilcal> I want to ask that we create a wiki/howto page 20:17:29 <wilcal> on setting up a (usb)printer on Mageia 4. I'm 20:17:30 <wilcal> still finding it all very confusing and the 20:17:32 <wilcal> CUPS thing is not very clean. 20:18:41 <wilcal> I can print locally but none of the other M3 systems on the LAN successfully print 20:19:05 <wilcal> I got to the point where I was printing blank pages from other M3's but that's as close as I got 20:19:24 <DavidWHodgins> How did you disable shorewall? 20:20:15 <wilcal> Ya shorewall is turned off everywhere 20:20:31 <lewyssmith> Comment: Gnome (as one desktop of many) is unuseable on my real 32-bit h/w 20:20:48 <DavidWHodgins> My understanding is that shorewall is used to open ports, and turning it off will close all ports. 20:21:03 <DavidWHodgins> Turn it on, then as root run "shorewall clear", to open all ports. 20:21:38 <wilcal> would that be on the CUPS server ( printer attached ) or the clients or all 20:21:38 <DavidWHodgins> If that fixes the problem, configure shorewall to open the appropriate ports. 20:21:45 <DavidWHodgins> The server 20:22:00 <wilcal> All of this should be easy, and it used to be 20:22:24 <lewyssmith> What has changed? 20:22:51 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't looked at that in a while. I'll check it out after the meeting. 20:23:26 <wilcal> "Back in the day" ( Mandriva ) you simple connect the usb printer a window would open and ask if you wanted to set up the server say yes and it all installed and worked 20:23:44 <DavidWHodgins> Let's leave that till after the meeting. Anything else about beta 2 betore next topic? 20:23:50 <wilcal> I agree 20:24:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:24:09 <Luigi12_work> could be a system-config-printer issue 20:26:39 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: ping Roundup 20:26:47 <Luigi12_work> ooh 20:27:28 <Luigi12_work> so for mediawiki, I hope someone can tell me if the plugins I asked about are in the package, otherwise I'll probably just leave them out of the advisory 20:27:42 <Luigi12_work> the python bunch of stuff is ready to test 20:27:57 <Luigi12_work> looks like Dave cleared everything else out for the most part, but the kernels are back, updated yet again 20:28:14 <DavidWHodgins> Seperate bugs for python 2 and 3, but when pushed, they should go together, I think. 20:28:34 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully it fixes the vb i586 problem. 20:28:54 <Luigi12_work> python2 isn't affected by the ssl.match_hostname issue this time, so it doesn't really have anything to do with it 20:29:24 <Luigi12_work> as far as what's the horizons, there's a bunch of silent packagers out there... 20:29:44 <Luigi12_work> especially as oden is part-time now, we can't do it all ourselves 20:29:47 <DavidWHodgins> bug 10758 had both python2 and 3, but 3 was replaced with the version in bug 11785, before it could be tested. 20:29:49 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10758 minor, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , /etc/profile.d/30python.sh and /etc/profile.d/30python.csh not marked as config file, python-2.7.3-7.mga3.src.rpm and python3-3.3.0-4.mga3.src.rpm 20:29:50 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11785 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , python3 yet another ssl.match_hostname() security issue, python3-3.3.2-11.mga4.src.rpm 20:29:59 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: ahh ok 20:30:23 <Luigi12_work> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp%3Asecu%20-%40qa-b&list_id=17795 is the list of things that needs updates 20:30:55 <wilcal> Basically how do you test the python stuff 20:31:23 <Luigi12_work> hopefully ruby, owncloud, librsvg, openjpeg, and apache-mod_nss will be taken care of soonish at least 20:31:43 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Ensure all of the rpm packages listed install cleanly, and python/python3 programs run ok. 20:32:03 <wilcal> Give me one python program to use 20:32:09 <lewyssmith> Dia? 20:32:18 <DavidWHodgins> grep -I python /usr/bin/* 20:34:12 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: That's a massive list of things that need updates. You'd think during version freeze, the developers would have more time to work on updates for the stable release. 20:34:16 <wilcal> Any one or two favorites? 20:35:17 <DavidWHodgins> Pick programs you're familiar with. I'll be testing with calibre and pydoc3 20:35:24 <Luigi12_work> DavidWHodgins: the packagers have been pretty quiet overall, even in Cauldron 20:35:35 <Luigi12_work> it's more like version freeze is a good time to take a vacation 20:35:55 <wilcal> thanks 20:35:57 <Luigi12_work> I think we've lost more packagers than we realize 20:36:13 <Luigi12_work> the group of people actively working on it right now seems exceedingly small 20:36:20 <DavidWHodgins> I guess they lose interest, during version freeze 20:36:37 <wilcal> I think that's always been the case 20:36:43 <Luigi12_work> yeah, even in looking after packages that are having bugfix releases upstream, which could still be pushed 20:37:44 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for the roundup Luigi12_work. Hope we can figure out a way to get more packagers to help with updates. 20:38:04 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:38:23 <wilcal> Just a personal thing to share here 20:38:46 <wilcal> I have in fact committed to FOSDEM 14. I've purchased my United Airlines 20:38:48 <wilcal> tickets and made my reservations for my hotel in Amsterdam ( Mon/Tue/Wed ) 20:38:49 <wilcal> so I'm waiting for someone to open the Hotel Villa Royale in Brussels process. 20:38:51 <wilcal> I'm gonna arrive in Brussels on Thur night. Just over 12,000 miles 20:39:04 <wilcal> round trip 20:39:10 <dvg> Bug #11887, bug #11888, bug # 11889, bug # 11890 reported as discussed above 20:39:15 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11887 normal, Normal, bugsquad, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Iso boot function "boot from HD" does not: machine needs to be reset, Mageia-4-beta2-x86_64-DVD.iso 20:39:16 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11888 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Iso boot function "rescue system" does not mount partitions when told to, Mageia-4-beta2-x86_64-DVD.iso 20:39:17 <DavidWHodgins> How long will you be in Europe? 20:39:18 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11889 normal, release_blocker, mageia, NEW , Boot option Memtest is not working, Mageia-4-beta2-x86_64-DVD.iso 20:39:19 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11890 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Iso's boot menu option hardware detection tool does not work (pci.ids file missing), Mageia-4-beta2-x86_64-DVD.iso 20:39:31 <wilcal> I think I'm 1/2 European 20:39:48 <wilcal> Maybe 100+ trips 80 -> 2000 20:40:01 <wilcal> Lived in The Netherlands 1986/1987 20:40:07 <wilcal> worked for a Dutch Company 20:40:32 <wilcal> Have a daughter born in The Netherlands 20:41:32 <DavidWHodgins> Enjoy fosdem! Anyone have anything else to discuss before the meeting ends? 20:41:50 <wilcal> Not from me I'll open that bug on DUAL 20:41:59 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks 20:42:07 <lewyssmith> Nothing here. 20:42:32 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. 20:42:36 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Thanks again for chairing the meeting. 20:42:42 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting