20:07:53 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
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20:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? if you're new then come along and say hi!
20:08:17 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who has not attended a qa irc meeting before?
20:08:29 <lewyssmith> Let me say a word for the Paris fellow...
20:08:37 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead
20:09:15 <lewyssmith> Here last week. He is having Wifi problems, and wants/needs to resolve that before pitching in. He said he will be back as soon as he can.
20:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks for the info
20:10:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 4, beta 2.
20:10:22 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone got the new iso images rsynced?
20:10:23 <wilcal> Wow what a subject
20:10:39 <wilcal> I'm pretty happy with KDE M4B2
20:10:51 <wilcal> Live Gnome is still a mess
20:10:59 <nelg> yes, although in the instlaler, it still seems to say beta 1.
20:11:24 <wilcal> Once Gnome is installed it's much better but not great
20:11:41 <lewyssmith> 32-bit Classic DVD does not get far, cannot install it
20:11:43 <DavidWHodgins> I've only been able to test under virtualbox so far, due to bug 11797, for the classic iso images.
20:11:44 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, classic installer fails in partitioning step.  Can't locate object method "child1_shrink", drakxtools-backend
20:11:59 <lewyssmith> That's it
20:11:59 <wilcal> David what's the can't find Chrony thing?
20:12:51 <DavidWHodgins> From what I've read, drakclock has some problems if both ntp and chrony are installed.
20:13:06 <DavidWHodgins> That's either just been fixed, or will be soon.
20:13:31 <wilcal> Thanks
20:13:35 <lewyssmith> I think I found 32-bit Live Gnome OK once installed.
20:14:00 <lewyssmith> And you will have seen I have 64-bit Live KDE *running* EFI
20:14:00 <wilcal> I've installed Live-CD Gnome in Vbox and that rebooted fine
20:14:11 <DavidWHodgins> I have the flashing screen, but only while in live mode. Once installed, it's ok.
20:14:28 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Congrats!
20:14:28 <wilcal> Still Gnome installed does some strange things with background
20:15:01 <wilcal> I'll continue to tinker with it
20:15:07 <DavidWHodgins> Installing on a uefi system still needs some work to make it easier, but at least it's working now.
20:15:16 <lewyssmith> You said it
20:15:59 <lewyssmith> I think the necessary improvements will be easy to implement.
20:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Has anyone tried upgrading from Mageia 3 to 4 using the beta iso images yet?
20:16:32 <lewyssmith> Not yet
20:16:36 <wilcal> I've not done that yet
20:16:58 <wilcal> Do I just replace the M3 repo with the M4 repo
20:17:12 <lewyssmith> I doubt it!
20:17:25 <wilcal> or just include M4 along with the M3?
20:17:41 <lewyssmith> You choose 'upgrade existing M3' at the right point
20:18:02 <DavidWHodgins> Now's the time to start testing upgrades. It can either be done using the classic dvd images, or by running "killall mgaapplet && mgaapplet --testing".
20:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> #info Now's the time to start testing upgrades. It can either be done using the classic dvd images, or by running "killall mgaapplet && mgaapplet --testing".
20:18:59 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any other questions, or comments on beta 2?
20:18:59 <sebsebseb> hi
20:19:05 <wilcal> Hi ya sebseb
20:19:06 <lewyssmith> Hello
20:19:08 <DavidWHodgins> Hi sebsebseb
20:19:21 <sebsebseb> Beta 2 hmm, I hope there will be artwork
20:19:51 <lewyssmith> A bit of colour would be nice.
20:20:01 <sebsebseb> yeah, but been issues trying to get proposals so hmm
20:20:15 <DavidWHodgins> It's getting pretty late for it, so we may end up sticking with the same as m3. Keep in mind, a lot of screenshots in the help files etc, would have to be updated.
20:20:33 <sebsebseb> yep and installerslide show
20:20:45 <DavidWHodgins> In multiple languages
20:21:01 <sebsebseb> yep it's worrying, looks like might end up staing with the M3 artwork
20:21:06 <sebsebseb> staying above
20:21:31 <nelg> is the classic installer box mis-alligned on your tests? on mine it was off to the left hand side.
20:21:58 <lewyssmith> Have not noticed
20:22:20 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. And in some of my tests, the right hand side was not visible either, so had to use tab, to get to the next button, guessing when I had it. That was inconsistent though.
20:22:43 <DavidWHodgins> Sometimes the right hand side was not visible, sometimes it was.
20:22:45 <lewyssmith> What you said is dicey, Dave
20:22:54 <alfred_> no probs here with that
20:23:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. That was installing in a vg guest, where I had a snapshot, so not too dangerous.
20:23:19 <DavidWHodgins> s /vg/vb/
20:24:15 <nelg> where the installer graphics are clearly wrong, like that, it means the automated installer tests don't work too well, as they look for parts of the screen to match.
20:24:38 <DavidWHodgins> There have been some push requests, for switching more things from gtk2 to gtk3, so hopfully those problems will all be fixed in the next build.
20:24:48 <nelg> sweet
20:24:57 <Luigi12> looks like tv pushed all those today
20:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Any guestimate on when the next iso images will be built?
20:25:12 <nelg> at least X starts now.. didn't work for me in beta 1 :)
20:25:14 <wilcal> Will a present install update to gtk3?
20:25:54 <Luigi12> for the drak* stuff it should
20:25:58 <DavidWHodgins> After reboot, have to install the updates. Bug 11319 is preventing updates from getting installed, at the end of the installation.
20:25:59 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 major, High, thierry.vignaud, REOPENED , Updates are not installed, at end of installation, using classical installers
20:26:18 <Luigi12> for the installer, it should be testable now through boot.iso
20:26:50 <DavidWHodgins> That's true. I keep forgetting about boot.iso and boot-nonfree.iso, which should be tested too.
20:27:25 <lewyssmith> Updates are not installed for Live installs either, in my experience
20:28:13 <lewyssmith> But I think they are best left to the installed system later
20:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> #info Don't forget to test boot.iso and boot-nonfree.iso, which can be downloaded from any mirror in the distrib/cauldron/$arch/install/images directory
20:28:32 <lewyssmith> What are they?
20:28:47 <Luigi12> they allow you to bootstrap the installer from a mirror
20:28:58 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: After an install using the live iso images, the updates should be installed during first boot. If they are not, that's a bug.
20:29:01 <Luigi12> can be local on an HDD or can use HTTP
20:29:41 <DavidWHodgins> ,wiki boot.iso
20:29:42 <[mbot> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Boot.iso_install
20:29:58 <lewyssmith> OK
20:30:20 <DavidWHodgins> #info See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Boot.iso_install for instructions
20:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions on beta 2 testing?
20:31:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:31:32 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: dunno if you saw, I isolated the problem with the kernel update to be with the virtualbox packages
20:31:56 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: do you think we should ask tmb to just downgrade back to 4.2.16 and build the kmod stuff for the new kernel and push it, or see if he can fix 4.2.18 somehow?
20:31:58 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. So we should split the update, so the kernel can be pushed.
20:32:27 <Luigi12> yeah the kernel can be pushed but I think he'll want to build kmod virtualbox packages for the new kernel even if we stick with vbox 4.2.16
20:32:28 <DavidWHodgins> I think splitting the update would be best, then let him decide which to do for vb.
20:32:31 <sebsebseb> hi back computer issues
20:32:43 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Understood.
20:32:48 <Luigi12> ok
20:33:08 <Luigi12> also we have feedback stuff for the graphicsmagick and varnish packages, but they're not regressions and I asked on the dev ml and got no help to try to fix them
20:33:17 <Luigi12> so we should probably file bugs for those issues and push the security updates
20:33:47 <Luigi12> the python3 bug is not high priority yet as philippem is still sorting out what other packages may be affected and what to do about them
20:34:10 <Luigi12> there is a subversion update in updates_testing already, ready to test, I'm just waiting for it to be also pushed in Cauldron before I assign the mga3 update to QA
20:34:32 <DavidWHodgins> Already using it on my main system, for mgaadv
20:34:42 * nelg has to go to work.. see ya
20:34:46 <Luigi12> there are also updates coming for ruby, ffmpeg, fcron, owncloud, quassel, and maybe php and hplip
20:34:55 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks nelg. Have a good day.
20:35:12 <DavidWHodgins> #info here are also updates coming for ruby, ffmpeg, fcron, owncloud, quassel, and maybe php and hplip
20:35:14 <Luigi12> maybe ganglia-web too
20:35:35 <Luigi12> that's all I have.  Any questions for me?
20:35:35 <DavidWHodgins> #info maybe ganglia-web too
20:35:49 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. Thanks Luigi!
20:35:56 <wilcal> I'm good
20:36:06 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi
20:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:36:23 <lewyssmith> Is Claire OK?
20:36:36 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Here mother is visiting, so she's busy.
20:36:47 <lewyssmith> Good.
20:36:48 <DavidWHodgins> s /Here/Her/
20:37:06 <DavidWHodgins> There is life outside of Mageia! :-)
20:37:18 <lewyssmith> How do you know?
20:37:24 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:37:33 <wilcal> Ya, there's PuppyLinux :-))
20:38:17 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Pretty close to a record for a short qa meeting.
20:38:30 <wilcal> I'm good off to Turkey Dinner for me
20:38:41 <wilcal> And American Football in TV all day
20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes. Happy Thanksgiving
20:38:50 <lewyssmith> Dave Thanks for chairing it.
20:38:51 <wilcal> thks
20:39:04 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone for showing up!
20:39:09 <wilcal> thks David
20:39:11 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting