20:07:53 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:07:53 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 28 20:07:53 2013 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:07:53 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:07:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? if you're new then come along and say hi! 20:08:17 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who has not attended a qa irc meeting before? 20:08:29 <lewyssmith> Let me say a word for the Paris fellow... 20:08:37 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead 20:09:15 <lewyssmith> Here last week. He is having Wifi problems, and wants/needs to resolve that before pitching in. He said he will be back as soon as he can. 20:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks for the info 20:10:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 4, beta 2. 20:10:22 <DavidWHodgins> Everyone got the new iso images rsynced? 20:10:23 <wilcal> Wow what a subject 20:10:39 <wilcal> I'm pretty happy with KDE M4B2 20:10:51 <wilcal> Live Gnome is still a mess 20:10:59 <nelg> yes, although in the instlaler, it still seems to say beta 1. 20:11:24 <wilcal> Once Gnome is installed it's much better but not great 20:11:41 <lewyssmith> 32-bit Classic DVD does not get far, cannot install it 20:11:43 <DavidWHodgins> I've only been able to test under virtualbox so far, due to bug 11797, for the classic iso images. 20:11:44 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 critical, release_blocker, thierry.vignaud, RESOLVED FIXED, classic installer fails in partitioning step. Can't locate object method "child1_shrink", drakxtools-backend 20:11:59 <lewyssmith> That's it 20:11:59 <wilcal> David what's the can't find Chrony thing? 20:12:51 <DavidWHodgins> From what I've read, drakclock has some problems if both ntp and chrony are installed. 20:13:06 <DavidWHodgins> That's either just been fixed, or will be soon. 20:13:31 <wilcal> Thanks 20:13:35 <lewyssmith> I think I found 32-bit Live Gnome OK once installed. 20:14:00 <lewyssmith> And you will have seen I have 64-bit Live KDE *running* EFI 20:14:00 <wilcal> I've installed Live-CD Gnome in Vbox and that rebooted fine 20:14:11 <DavidWHodgins> I have the flashing screen, but only while in live mode. Once installed, it's ok. 20:14:28 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Congrats! 20:14:28 <wilcal> Still Gnome installed does some strange things with background 20:15:01 <wilcal> I'll continue to tinker with it 20:15:07 <DavidWHodgins> Installing on a uefi system still needs some work to make it easier, but at least it's working now. 20:15:16 <lewyssmith> You said it 20:15:59 <lewyssmith> I think the necessary improvements will be easy to implement. 20:16:26 <DavidWHodgins> Has anyone tried upgrading from Mageia 3 to 4 using the beta iso images yet? 20:16:32 <lewyssmith> Not yet 20:16:36 <wilcal> I've not done that yet 20:16:58 <wilcal> Do I just replace the M3 repo with the M4 repo 20:17:12 <lewyssmith> I doubt it! 20:17:25 <wilcal> or just include M4 along with the M3? 20:17:41 <lewyssmith> You choose 'upgrade existing M3' at the right point 20:18:02 <DavidWHodgins> Now's the time to start testing upgrades. It can either be done using the classic dvd images, or by running "killall mgaapplet && mgaapplet --testing". 20:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> #info Now's the time to start testing upgrades. It can either be done using the classic dvd images, or by running "killall mgaapplet && mgaapplet --testing". 20:18:59 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any other questions, or comments on beta 2? 20:18:59 <sebsebseb> hi 20:19:05 <wilcal> Hi ya sebseb 20:19:06 <lewyssmith> Hello 20:19:08 <DavidWHodgins> Hi sebsebseb 20:19:21 <sebsebseb> Beta 2 hmm, I hope there will be artwork 20:19:51 <lewyssmith> A bit of colour would be nice. 20:20:01 <sebsebseb> yeah, but been issues trying to get proposals so hmm 20:20:15 <DavidWHodgins> It's getting pretty late for it, so we may end up sticking with the same as m3. Keep in mind, a lot of screenshots in the help files etc, would have to be updated. 20:20:33 <sebsebseb> yep and installerslide show 20:20:45 <DavidWHodgins> In multiple languages 20:21:01 <sebsebseb> yep it's worrying, looks like might end up staing with the M3 artwork 20:21:06 <sebsebseb> staying above 20:21:31 <nelg> is the classic installer box mis-alligned on your tests? on mine it was off to the left hand side. 20:21:58 <lewyssmith> Have not noticed 20:22:20 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. And in some of my tests, the right hand side was not visible either, so had to use tab, to get to the next button, guessing when I had it. That was inconsistent though. 20:22:43 <DavidWHodgins> Sometimes the right hand side was not visible, sometimes it was. 20:22:45 <lewyssmith> What you said is dicey, Dave 20:22:54 <alfred_> no probs here with that 20:23:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. That was installing in a vg guest, where I had a snapshot, so not too dangerous. 20:23:19 <DavidWHodgins> s /vg/vb/ 20:24:15 <nelg> where the installer graphics are clearly wrong, like that, it means the automated installer tests don't work too well, as they look for parts of the screen to match. 20:24:38 <DavidWHodgins> There have been some push requests, for switching more things from gtk2 to gtk3, so hopfully those problems will all be fixed in the next build. 20:24:48 <nelg> sweet 20:24:57 <Luigi12> looks like tv pushed all those today 20:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Any guestimate on when the next iso images will be built? 20:25:12 <nelg> at least X starts now.. didn't work for me in beta 1 :) 20:25:14 <wilcal> Will a present install update to gtk3? 20:25:54 <Luigi12> for the drak* stuff it should 20:25:58 <DavidWHodgins> After reboot, have to install the updates. Bug 11319 is preventing updates from getting installed, at the end of the installation. 20:25:59 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11319 major, High, thierry.vignaud, REOPENED , Updates are not installed, at end of installation, using classical installers 20:26:18 <Luigi12> for the installer, it should be testable now through boot.iso 20:26:50 <DavidWHodgins> That's true. I keep forgetting about boot.iso and boot-nonfree.iso, which should be tested too. 20:27:25 <lewyssmith> Updates are not installed for Live installs either, in my experience 20:28:13 <lewyssmith> But I think they are best left to the installed system later 20:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> #info Don't forget to test boot.iso and boot-nonfree.iso, which can be downloaded from any mirror in the distrib/cauldron/$arch/install/images directory 20:28:32 <lewyssmith> What are they? 20:28:47 <Luigi12> they allow you to bootstrap the installer from a mirror 20:28:58 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: After an install using the live iso images, the updates should be installed during first boot. If they are not, that's a bug. 20:29:01 <Luigi12> can be local on an HDD or can use HTTP 20:29:41 <DavidWHodgins> ,wiki boot.iso 20:29:42 <[mbot> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Boot.iso_install 20:29:58 <lewyssmith> OK 20:30:20 <DavidWHodgins> #info See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Boot.iso_install for instructions 20:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions on beta 2 testing? 20:31:06 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:31:32 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: dunno if you saw, I isolated the problem with the kernel update to be with the virtualbox packages 20:31:56 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: do you think we should ask tmb to just downgrade back to 4.2.16 and build the kmod stuff for the new kernel and push it, or see if he can fix 4.2.18 somehow? 20:31:58 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. So we should split the update, so the kernel can be pushed. 20:32:27 <Luigi12> yeah the kernel can be pushed but I think he'll want to build kmod virtualbox packages for the new kernel even if we stick with vbox 4.2.16 20:32:28 <DavidWHodgins> I think splitting the update would be best, then let him decide which to do for vb. 20:32:31 <sebsebseb> hi back computer issues 20:32:43 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Understood. 20:32:48 <Luigi12> ok 20:33:08 <Luigi12> also we have feedback stuff for the graphicsmagick and varnish packages, but they're not regressions and I asked on the dev ml and got no help to try to fix them 20:33:17 <Luigi12> so we should probably file bugs for those issues and push the security updates 20:33:47 <Luigi12> the python3 bug is not high priority yet as philippem is still sorting out what other packages may be affected and what to do about them 20:34:10 <Luigi12> there is a subversion update in updates_testing already, ready to test, I'm just waiting for it to be also pushed in Cauldron before I assign the mga3 update to QA 20:34:32 <DavidWHodgins> Already using it on my main system, for mgaadv 20:34:42 * nelg has to go to work.. see ya 20:34:46 <Luigi12> there are also updates coming for ruby, ffmpeg, fcron, owncloud, quassel, and maybe php and hplip 20:34:55 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks nelg. Have a good day. 20:35:12 <DavidWHodgins> #info here are also updates coming for ruby, ffmpeg, fcron, owncloud, quassel, and maybe php and hplip 20:35:14 <Luigi12> maybe ganglia-web too 20:35:35 <Luigi12> that's all I have. Any questions for me? 20:35:35 <DavidWHodgins> #info maybe ganglia-web too 20:35:49 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. Thanks Luigi! 20:35:56 <wilcal> I'm good 20:36:06 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi 20:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 20:36:23 <lewyssmith> Is Claire OK? 20:36:36 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Here mother is visiting, so she's busy. 20:36:47 <lewyssmith> Good. 20:36:48 <DavidWHodgins> s /Here/Her/ 20:37:06 <DavidWHodgins> There is life outside of Mageia! :-) 20:37:18 <lewyssmith> How do you know? 20:37:24 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:37:33 <wilcal> Ya, there's PuppyLinux :-)) 20:38:17 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Pretty close to a record for a short qa meeting. 20:38:30 <wilcal> I'm good off to Turkey Dinner for me 20:38:41 <wilcal> And American Football in TV all day 20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes. Happy Thanksgiving 20:38:50 <lewyssmith> Dave Thanks for chairing it. 20:38:51 <wilcal> thks 20:39:04 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone for showing up! 20:39:09 <wilcal> thks David 20:39:11 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting