19:03:06 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
19:03:06 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Sep 12 19:03:06 2013 UTC.  The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:03:50 <DavidWHodgins> So, is there anyone here who has not attended a qa irc meeting before?
19:04:20 <DavidWHodgins> Looking through the list, doesn't look like it.
19:04:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updates testing
19:05:22 <DavidWHodgins> The list is building again. We need people to pick bugs they can handle, and give them a try.
19:05:30 <wilcal> Yep, still quite a few there but I've been pick'n at'em
19:05:52 <wilcal> Question concerning the qupsilla thing
19:06:13 <lewyssmith> I just had a look at the shorewall one, & will have a go at it
19:06:19 <wilcal> how can I change the basic language of an install after the install
19:06:29 <DavidWHodgins> I'll concentrate on getting all of the advisories into svn, right after the meeting, so that the bugs can be validated, when ready.
19:06:41 <DavidWHodgins> mcc
19:06:55 <wilcal> Where?
19:07:00 <DavidWHodgins> system/localization
19:07:14 <DavidWHodgins> May have to install the appropriate locales package first though.
19:07:52 <wilcal> I only see english in there for me
19:07:57 <marja> wikigazer: yes, installing the needed locales must be done, first
19:08:08 <marja> oops
19:08:14 <marja> wilcal: ^^^
19:08:15 <wilcal> what would the name of the package(s) that need to be installed
19:08:44 <DavidWHodgins> Use "urpmq -y locale", to see the available ones.
19:08:45 <wilcal> I tried to install French but couldn't get it to change to french
19:09:08 <DavidWHodgins> Did you install locales-fr?
19:09:08 <wilcal> Seems like I could do something with the qupzilla thing
19:09:14 <wilcal> I did
19:09:56 <wilcal> so maybe install locales-fr then go back into the MCC system/localication and the french will be there?
19:10:16 <DavidWHodgins> It should be
19:10:23 <marja> wilcal: it is hard to change everything to French... you won't end up with a full French system
19:10:24 <wilcal> I'll give it a go
19:10:45 <wilcal> that's ok just a start to understanding the qupzilla thing/bug
19:11:03 <wilcal> something new to learn too
19:11:25 <marja> wilcal: some dms allow to login with a different language
19:11:34 <wilcal> ok
19:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> That's one of the things about testing updates. You get to use/learn, packages you otherwise would never of heard of.
19:11:48 <wilcal> Yep
19:12:02 <lewyssmith> Like most of them...
19:12:17 <wilcal> I was gonna tinker with 10485
19:12:37 <wilcal> I think the bug will be on my video editing computer
19:12:49 <wilcal> I haven't see it though
19:12:50 <marja> wilcal: when locales-fr is installed, it is also possible to start a program in French with $ LANGUAGE=fr <programname>
19:12:53 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Good. I can't test that one, as both of my systems have radeon cards.
19:13:17 <marja> wilcal: for instance # LANGUAGE=fr mcc
19:13:40 <marja> wilcal: to start MCC
19:13:46 <wilcal> ok
19:14:19 <DavidWHodgins> Hmm. Doesn't look like mcc has been completely translated to french.
19:14:35 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, may as well move on.
19:14:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:15:01 <wilcal> Ya here Luigi?
19:15:14 <wilcal> Lurking Luigi
19:15:14 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12_lappy
19:15:36 <marja> DavidWHodgins: maybe the Canadian French translation is not complete?
19:15:55 <Luigi12_work> boo
19:16:00 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:16:31 <Luigi12_work> no moderate-high severity security issues at the moment, just some low severity ones
19:16:44 <Luigi12_work> well, I don't know the severity for the Moodle ones yet, details should be available on Monday
19:17:00 <Luigi12_work> I'm already running the update on our production Moodle server
19:17:10 <wilcal> Didn't we work on Moodle just a little while ago?
19:17:25 <Luigi12_work> yeah
19:17:35 <Luigi12_work> it updates fairly regularly
19:17:39 <wilcal> Yet another security thing
19:18:01 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Check the older bug for the procedure used.
19:18:05 <wilcal> K
19:18:11 <Luigi12_work> I linked to it
19:18:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ah, yes.
19:19:05 <sebsebseb> oh
19:19:09 <Luigi12_work> as far as other things, I have this list https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b which seems mostly full of stuff maintainers aren't interested in fixing
19:19:17 <sebsebseb> oh so I have missed most of the meting it seems then, ah well
19:19:24 <Luigi12_work> sebsebseb: quiet, we're in a meeting
19:19:38 <sebsebseb> so am I, that's why I joined here
19:19:44 <Luigi12_work> ssh
19:19:47 <Luigi12_work> shh
19:19:59 <wilcal> HiYa sebseb
19:20:06 <Luigi12_work> oh I forgot to backport the chromium update
19:20:12 <Luigi12_work> guess I'll do that soon
19:20:13 <sebsebseb> wilcal: hi
19:20:31 <Luigi12_work> guess tmb is still working on the glibc/kernel update
19:21:09 <Luigi12_work> otherwise, some of the ones at the bottom of the list might be ready soon, or not
19:21:31 <Luigi12_work> any questions?
19:22:19 <wilcal> Nope not from me
19:22:34 <DavidWHodgins> Not here.
19:22:50 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
19:22:54 <wilcal> Not qa but any word on fixing Gnome in Cauldron
19:23:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:23:19 <wilcal> any word on Gnome?
19:23:26 <DavidWHodgins> Probably best to ask in #mageia-dev, for that.
19:23:27 <Luigi12_work> sucks
19:23:33 <wilcal> it's a mess in M4
19:23:34 <Luigi12_work> oh, probably not the word you were looking for
19:23:50 <wilcal> I guess it's not our fault
19:23:56 <Luigi12_work> nope, it's upstream mess
19:24:12 <wilcal> I assume they know it
19:24:17 <Kernewes> if Gnome is too problematic, offer Mate as the alternative
19:24:32 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:24:43 <wilcal> Gotta make that decision before M4B1
19:24:48 <lewyssmith> Forgotten the difference between Mate & Cinamon
19:25:01 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully gnome will be ready before the RC.
19:25:02 <Kernewes> I'm enjoying Mate, it's like "welcome back old friend"
19:25:08 <sebsebseb> GNOME is  good
19:25:11 <sebsebseb> if you don't like it don't use it
19:25:15 <sebsebseb> no need to whine about it
19:25:19 <sebsebseb> also network manager is getting a fix
19:25:21 <Luigi12_work> Mate & Cinnamon are just lipstick on a pig if Gnome is broken
19:25:22 <sebsebseb> in upstream
19:25:26 <wilcal> Try WinBlows 8
19:25:31 <Luigi12_work> maybe XFce or LXDE should be our main alternate interface
19:25:59 <sebsebseb> see dev  mailing list network maanger is getting a fix
19:26:06 <wilcal> XFce is pretty neat. I've got it working on my old print server
19:26:13 <lewyssmith> I like it
19:26:25 <lewyssmith> My preferred
19:26:32 <Luigi12_work> XFce is probably the best bet right now
19:26:32 <sebsebseb> also Mageia isn't a KDE distro, see council mailng list :D
19:26:38 <Kernewes> I like it but it seems to be slow for me in Mga
19:26:42 <sebsebseb> it's a multi desktop distro :)
19:27:21 <Kernewes> Isn't LXDE merging with Razor-qt?
19:27:22 <wilcal> KDE is the primary desktop GUI for Mageia right?
19:27:35 <sebsebseb> wilcal: KDE and GNOME
19:27:52 <sebsebseb> since they have Live Media's ,but the other desktops no
19:27:52 <wilcal> As was in Mandriva/Mandrake
19:27:58 <DavidWHodgins> It's the default on the classical installer only. It's not considered any more primary than gnome or other desktops.
19:28:03 <Kernewes> a lot of people think of Mageia as a KDE distro though
19:28:27 <sebsebseb> they can think what  they want,  Mageia is a mult idesktop distro :)
19:28:42 <sebsebseb> it's not Mandriva 2011 for example, where they dropped everything, but KDE, unless communit provided
19:28:43 <Kernewes> I like having lots of DEs on offer
19:28:51 <lewyssmith> Kernewes: croeso 'nol
19:28:52 <Kernewes> that's one of the things I like about Mageia
19:29:05 <Kernewes> lewyssmith: hiya
19:29:15 <sebsebseb> yeah, but most distros run more than one desktop to really :d not just Mageia :)
19:29:37 <Kernewes> sebsebseb: true
19:30:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, anything other then desktop manager preferences to discuss, or should I close the meeting. Likely one of the shortest ever. :-)
19:30:54 <sebsebseb> nope I think that's it other than the deskto interface stuff if anything :d
19:31:03 <lewyssmith> How are things with alpha2?
19:31:22 <lewyssmith> I am poised to get stuck in again
19:31:28 <DavidWHodgins> It's a true alpha, meaning lot's of bugs.
19:31:40 <wilcal> I think M4A2 is probably a little solid'r then past A2's were
19:31:57 <lewyssmith> Very little in the mailing list
19:32:02 <DavidWHodgins> Alpha 3 should be ready to start testing in about 2 weeks, with release in roughly 3 weeks from now.
19:32:02 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: I tried what you suggested to get the desktop to load but it didn't work
19:32:07 <wilcal> Yep, lots or wrinkles but it boots and runs and that's a good thing
19:32:17 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: just said server already active on display 0 or something similar
19:32:35 <Kernewes> DavidWHodgins: so I think I'll reinstall, grab the updates and start again
19:32:45 <DavidWHodgins> Kernewes: "startx -- :1" Tells it to start a second X display
19:32:46 <wilcal> Get the MCC icon back in the KDE task bar
19:33:49 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll go ahead and close the meeting.
19:33:55 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting