19:06:21 <MrsB> #startmeeting
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19:06:47 <MrsB> Morning everyone welcome to another QA party.. erm meeting :)
19:06:56 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:06:56 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB
19:06:58 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:07:01 <MrsB> tah
19:07:08 <MrsB> IS anybody new today?
19:07:27 <MrsB> don't think so
19:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic More DDG, kind of...
19:07:35 <MrsB> that was quick :)
19:07:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:07:56 <MrsB> Soo, you remember how duckduckgo havd some money for us
19:08:08 <wilcal> Yep 5 Euros or so
19:08:12 <MrsB> well it turns out they miscalculated
19:08:42 <MrsB> they originally said ... Mageia split is 25% = $5.72
19:08:50 <MrsB> when actually it's not !
19:09:21 <wilcal> And the new number is..............
19:09:24 <MrsB> Revenue on this traffic:  $15.93
19:09:25 <MrsB> Mageia split is 25% = $3.98
19:09:27 <MrsB> Total outstanding = $10.84
19:09:35 <MrsB> sorry i had to find the email
19:09:44 <wilcal> Such a deal
19:09:48 <lewyssmith> Solvency, then
19:09:55 <MrsB> yeah, so alot more less
19:10:34 <MrsB> does anybody use DDg search?
19:10:41 <lewyssmith> Not me
19:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:11:06 <MrsB> if you want to start you should find it's already in your browser and you just need to select it
19:11:10 <swecarp> not me
19:11:19 <wilcal> I'm tied into Google and headed for Chromecast
19:11:40 <MrsB> it's only the search
19:11:53 * netSys is back
19:11:54 <DavidWHodgins> And when using it, make sure the search url ends with "&t=mageia"
19:12:02 <MrsB> wb netSys
19:12:47 <netSys> ty MrsB
19:13:00 <MrsB> are you joining the QA team netSys?
19:13:05 <MrsB> i meant to ask you before
19:14:06 <netSys> I saw on Mageia installer, when I try to create partition you have to put a partition space with scroll. Could be add put numerical way too?
19:14:41 <MrsB> create a bug for that netSys, it may be possible
19:14:42 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: That's available in the advanced mode
19:14:51 <MrsB> ahh Dave knows
19:14:52 <netSys> MrsB: I would like it, I've subscribed on mailing list of qa-discussing
19:15:01 <MrsB> oh great \o/
19:15:07 <netSys> hehe :D
19:15:13 <MrsB> In that acse you just did join :)
19:15:14 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: Where are you from?
19:15:18 <MrsB> case*
19:15:30 <netSys> oh DavidWHodgins, that's good! ^^
19:15:33 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada.
19:15:34 <netSys> DavidWHodgins: Spain
19:15:40 <MrsB> Welcome to the team!
19:15:54 <netSys> thank you MrsB! :D
19:15:56 <MrsB> Say a few words to introduce yourself netsys adn everybody else will do the same
19:16:15 <MrsB> I'm Claire, based in the UK, team leader for now :)
19:16:33 <netSys> I just trying alpha of Mageia 4, but GRUB theme saw "Boot from Mageia 3" hehe, I suppose theme and this will be change before release of coure hehe
19:16:34 <sebsebseb> hi
19:16:36 <sebsebseb> I am from ENgalnd
19:16:43 <sebsebseb> and oh netSys is in here :d
19:16:45 <netSys> oh ok MrsB
19:16:53 <sebsebseb> netSys: your going to join QA?
19:16:53 <wilcal> William ( wilcal ) William in California, San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:17:13 <lewyssmith> Lewis in France
19:17:26 <swecarp> is in sweden
19:17:39 <netSys> sebsebseb: yes ^^ I don't have a lot of knowledge about that, only bug report or something else, but I can learn more
19:17:53 <sebsebseb> ok :)
19:18:19 <netSys> I'm Spain, was born on Jerez de la Frontera, but I'm living on Lanzarote, Canary Islands
19:18:38 <wilcal> Canary Islands ( Paradise )
19:18:39 <netSys> I'm very friendly
19:18:44 <MrsB> he is
19:18:59 <MrsB> what is your name netSys so we know you on bugzilla etc
19:19:22 <netSys> Álvaro Castillo MrsB, I'm glad to join on this great community :D
19:19:43 <MrsB> well, we're very pleased that you chose to be a part of it too
19:20:25 <MrsB> We don't believe in silly questions here so if there anything at all you want to ask, please don't hesitate to do so
19:20:42 <MrsB> did you find our wik pages?
19:20:45 <MrsB> wiki*
19:21:42 <netSys> MrsB: ok, Do Mageia have a ambassador team or something like?
19:21:48 <MrsB> #info Welcome to the QA team netSys (Álvaro)
19:22:02 <netSys> yes hehe
19:22:13 <MrsB> we have Atelier which is a mixture of marketting and communication, websites and artwork
19:23:03 <netSys> oh, and I have to know how to creates webpages and do artwork to join on it?
19:23:05 <MrsB> Atelier is french for workshop IINM
19:23:40 <MrsB> not at all netSys, anything you can do will be welcomed
19:24:02 <netSys> sounds good
19:24:08 <MrsB> there is also a forums team so feel  free to help out there
19:24:24 <wilcal> Just running the Alpha/Beta Live-CD/DVD's on your computer helps lots
19:24:43 <MrsB> At the moment though we're doing QA so let's say Hi and thanks and chat more later :)
19:25:10 <netSys> ok, hehe, thanks a lot MrsB
19:25:19 <MrsB> let's move on then
19:25:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Reminder, alpha 2 is only about a week away.
19:25:26 <MrsB> thankyou dave
19:26:02 <wilcal> So we should see that late next week
19:26:08 <MrsB> So yes, Alpha 2 is due for release on September err 6th I think, so we can expect to get it around the start of the month
19:26:23 <DavidWHodgins> netSys: If you would like to help testing the next iso images, before they are released to the public, add you name and email address to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
19:26:34 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_Development
19:26:39 <DavidWHodgins> s /you/your/ :-)
19:26:57 <MrsB> Are we ready for them?
19:27:00 * netSys is adding on it :D
19:27:02 <wilcal> yep
19:27:10 <wilcal> FWIW/IMO
19:27:12 <wilcal> The Goldfish MMIO error thing during boot up and shut down is
19:27:13 <wilcal> really pretty bad. So if it's still there in M4A2 I'm gonna
19:27:14 <MrsB> we still have to finish the wiki page, I've not had time to look at it yet
19:27:15 <wilcal> open a bug over it. We gotta sweep that under the rug during
19:27:16 <wilcal> boot up somehow.
19:27:41 <MrsB> yes please do open a bug if there isn't one wilcal
19:27:46 <DavidWHodgins> I think so. List of updates waiting for testing is fairly small, and should be easy to clear by then assuming we don't get another flood of updates.
19:28:02 <wilcal> OK to do now before M4A2?
19:28:10 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes
19:28:18 <wilcal> Will do after this is done
19:28:44 <MrsB> i hope the update floods are finished for now
19:28:56 <wilcal> I see a couple in there I can contribute to also
19:29:05 <MrsB> they might start again once everybody gets back from their holidays though i suppose
19:29:09 <wilcal> Question on updates
19:29:19 <MrsB> updates next wilcal
19:29:19 <DavidWHodgins> The kde update will take a fair amount of testing, when it's ready.
19:29:38 <MrsB> shall we do them now?
19:29:48 <MrsB> lets move on and talk updates instead
19:29:48 <lewyssmith> Yes
19:29:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates, how's it going?
19:29:55 <MrsB> thanks
19:30:02 <MrsB> go wilcal
19:30:02 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK the KDE update is ready to test, just the advisiory is WIP
19:30:03 <wilcal> I see a bazillion files in updates_testing for KDE
19:30:19 <wilcal> Noise in the terminal. When launching an app in a terminal how much
19:30:20 <wilcal> "noise" would we accept as normal. Reports, errors, messages????
19:30:21 <DavidWHodgins> :-) Yep
19:30:22 <wilcal> Launching app from a destop launcher it works just fine.
19:30:25 <MrsB> more like a gigabazillion
19:30:36 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:30:57 <lewyssmith> I had a problem re bug 11019 (puppet) in that I could not - cannot - see the Updated packages in core/updates_testing:
19:31:09 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11019 major, Normal, qa-bugs, qa-bugs, NEW , puppet new security issues CVE-2013-4761 and CVE-2013-4956, puppet
19:31:20 <lewyssmith> So I was unable to try it.
19:31:21 <wilcal> noise like we saw in the terminology updates
19:31:44 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: For which release/arch?
19:31:46 <MrsB> wilcal, it's fairly normal to see gtk warning messages but the likes of terminology was obviosuly an error so you did right to bring that up
19:32:12 <wilcal> It needed to be a seperate update from the original bug
19:32:37 <lewyssmith> Dave: Mageia3 i586
19:33:02 <MrsB> It didn't need to technically, you can always ask in the original bug report and let the packager say they would rather have another bug report
19:33:36 <MrsB> some are more responsive than others and you'll get used to when you need to create a new bug and not bother asking. trem was very good though.
19:33:45 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: They're in updates testing on my local repo, which is synced from kernel.org
19:33:45 <wilcal> I could create an endless bug for LibreOffice
19:33:51 <DavidWHodgins> Which mirror are you using?
19:34:06 <lewyssmith> No idea...
19:34:17 <DavidWHodgins> urpmq --list-url
19:34:21 <lewyssmith> But I see loads of other updates
19:34:32 <MrsB> you probably haven't set the testing medias as update medias lewis, either that or you need to update the medias
19:34:45 <MrsB> urpmi.update -a
19:34:52 <MrsB> when you have it enabled
19:35:00 <lewyssmith> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing
19:35:43 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I am neurotic about setting the repos correctly & enabling them
19:35:43 <MrsB> morning tmb
19:36:22 <DavidWHodgins> Or "urpmi.update a", which will update all repos, enabled or not.
19:36:27 <MrsB> ok, if everything is set correctly and enabled then updating the package list it knows about should show it
19:36:37 <MrsB> as above
19:36:43 <DavidWHodgins> That works because all of our repos have an "a" somewhere in the name.
19:36:49 <lewyssmith> # urpmi.update --no-ignore "Core Updates Testing"
19:36:56 <tmb> MrsB: morning
19:37:09 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: puppet is there
19:37:26 <MrsB> That enables it, then update the package list in there with .. urpmi.update "Core Updates Testing"
19:37:31 <lewyssmith> I will try the -a thingy
19:37:57 <MrsB> if you use the aliases in the Hints and Tips page it becomes alot easier, ecupdt, cupdt
19:38:34 <DavidWHodgins> Hi tmb. How are you feeling?
19:38:47 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_Tricks
19:39:33 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I find the raw commands fine
19:39:44 <MrsB> whatever you're comfortable with
19:40:03 <MrsB> you can also do it through the GUI, in the file menu
19:40:31 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: hi, very well, getting more strength and energy as days go by...
19:40:33 <MrsB> if you use MageiaUpdate it automatically updates the package lists before it checks for new updates
19:40:50 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Glad to hear it.
19:41:11 <lewyssmith> Still no puppet. first time this has happened to me. But the bug has already been dealt with.
19:42:08 <DavidWHodgins> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing/puppet-2.7.23-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
19:42:17 <DavidWHodgins> It's definitely there.
19:42:38 <MrsB> does this command show Core Updates Testing .. urpmq --list-media update
19:42:57 <lewyssmith> I *believe* you Dave; just that I cannot see it.
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> urpmq --list-media update
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Core Updates
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Core Updates Testing
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates Testing
19:43:37 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates
19:43:39 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates Testing
19:43:52 <MrsB> ok, and urpmq --list-media active ?
19:44:23 <lewyssmith> urpmq --list-media active
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Release
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Release
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Backports
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Release2
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Core Updates
19:44:26 <lewyssmith> Core Updates Testing
19:44:30 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Release2
19:44:32 <MrsB> good so far
19:44:32 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates
19:44:34 <lewyssmith> Nonfree Updates Testing
19:44:36 <lewyssmith> Tainted Release
19:44:38 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates
19:44:40 <lewyssmith> Tainted Updates Testing
19:44:41 <MrsB> now do urpmi.update -a
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> urpmi.update -a
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Backports" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Release2" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Core Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:07 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Release2" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:09 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:11 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Nonfree Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:13 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Release" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:15 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Updates" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:17 <lewyssmith> cyfrwng "Tainted Updates Testing" wedi ei ddiweddaru
19:45:19 <lewyssmith> = 'updated'
19:45:34 <lewyssmith> BTW this must be boring everyone
19:45:38 <MrsB> now urpmi puppet
19:46:13 <MrsB> you can disable Nonfree Updates Testing and Tainted Updates Testing btw until there is something that needs them
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> urpmi puppet
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> I fodloni dibyniaethau, bydd y pecyn canlynol yn cael ei osod
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> Pecyn                          Fersiwn      Ryddhad       Arch
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> (cyfrwng "Core Release2")
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> facter                         1.6.17       2.mga3        noarch
19:46:36 <lewyssmith> (cyfrwng "Core Updates Testing")
19:46:38 <lewyssmith> emacs-puppet                   2.7.23       1.mga3        noarch  (awgrym)
19:46:40 <lewyssmith> puppet                         2.7.23       1.mga3        noarch
19:46:42 <lewyssmith> vim-puppet                     2.7.23       1.mga3        noarch  (awgrym)
19:46:44 <lewyssmith> This looks OK
19:46:46 <MrsB> great :)
19:46:55 <wilcal> puppet-2.7.23-1.mga3.noarch.rpm in my M3 updates_testing repo
19:46:56 <wilcal> mirrored from kernel.org. Had to had been in there 8-hours ago
19:47:20 <MrsB> you just need to remember to update the package list with urpmi.update after you enable the testing media
19:47:37 <MrsB> or use the GUI which does it automatically
19:47:51 <MrsB> the GUI can be run from cli using MageiaUpdate
19:48:00 <wilcal> "or use the GUI which does it automatically" mmmm kinda most of the time
19:48:01 <lewyssmith> I use the GUI for installing updates to test, as recommended
19:48:33 <wilcal> I go through a little exercise here to make sure the updates_testing repo is in the test install
19:48:45 <wilcal> Want me to go through that here
19:48:45 <MrsB> how do you do it wilcal?
19:49:03 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Sure. Go ahead.
19:49:17 <wilcal> Most of my testing is in Vbox so I have a base M2/M3 install ready to clone to say puppet test
19:49:35 <wilcal> But that basic install does NOT have the updates_testing repo links in it
19:49:58 <wilcal> so I install the main package lets say puppet ver whatever and test that
19:50:29 <wilcal> then after the initial testing I update the test install with the update_testing repo link
19:50:34 <DavidWHodgins> Only if there is a proof of concept for the bug report, does the prior version need to be tested.
19:50:37 <wilcal> lemme get those commands
19:50:37 <lewyssmith> With MGC I am *still* seeing available updates ... plasma python ruby ...
19:50:50 <lewyssmith> after all those manipulations#
19:51:06 <MrsB> yes, we only install the packages needed to test the particular update we're workign on lewyssmith
19:51:25 <MrsB> you should disable all the testign medias after you've installed the relevant packages
19:51:25 <wilcal> So I install with this:
19:51:27 <DavidWHodgins> The plasma packages are part of the kde update, that we'll be getting soon.
19:52:14 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I only choose the packages cited in the bug
19:52:22 <MrsB> yep, good
19:52:22 <wilcal> urpmi.addmedia           core              http://192.168.1.2:8080/~mageia/repo/distrib/3/i586/media/core/release with media_info/hdlist.cz
19:52:36 <wilcal> Then when initial testing is done do this
19:52:51 <wilcal> urpmi.addmedia           core_updates_testing      http://192.168.1.2:8080/~mageia/repo/distrib/3/i586/media/core/updates_testing with media_info/hdlist.cz
19:53:08 <wilcal> It's a little complex but gets away from the repo update thing
19:53:14 <MrsB> that's a complicated way of doing it wilcal :\
19:53:20 <wilcal> You bet it is
19:53:27 <wilcal> but works every time
19:53:29 <MrsB> as long as you're happy
19:53:36 <lewyssmith> except that the puppet ones are not listed
19:53:40 <wilcal> I'm Happy
19:53:41 <lewyssmith> for me
19:53:57 <MrsB> make sure you've installed all published updates before testign the update candidates too
19:54:01 <DavidWHodgins> One point is that we need people to use a variety of methods. More likely to find any problems that way.
19:54:21 <wilcal> I always keep my Vbox test clients updated
19:54:47 <MrsB> i do.. cupdt, ecupdt, urpmi puppet
19:54:51 <lewyssmith> I always update the non-test system before tryinh test updates
19:54:53 <wilcal> I always list the test platform in my Comments
19:55:09 <wilcal> Mostly Vbox but occasionally real hardware
19:56:04 <lewyssmith> Should we not move on?
19:56:17 <djennings> ryoshu: the build for mksh seems too be taking a long time
19:56:18 <wilcal> Takes a couple hours to build a real "victim" install
19:56:27 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:56:33 <MrsB> yep, is evrybody OK?
19:56:45 <lewyssmith> Asleep?
19:56:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's roundup
19:56:54 <djennings> sorry wrong channel
19:57:09 <MrsB> djennings: o/
19:57:12 <wilcal> Three cheers for Luigi
19:57:22 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: ping
19:57:36 <Luigi12_work> boo
19:57:42 <MrsB> lol OooOoooo
19:57:58 <MrsB> over to you
19:57:59 <Luigi12_work> nothing real serious in the updates right now, other than puppet
19:58:18 <Luigi12_work> I fixed all the bugs I could find to fix
19:58:18 <wilcal> I'll give a go at xpdf later today
19:58:34 <MrsB> #info no major sec updates other than puppet right now
19:58:44 <DavidWHodgins> Any word on when kde will be ready for testing?
19:58:59 <wilcal> Is the puppet thing kinda like Webmin?
19:59:08 <MrsB> no not reall wilcal
19:59:14 <MrsB> no web interface
19:59:29 <MrsB> it syncs files from a master server to various lients
19:59:34 <MrsB> clients*
19:59:41 <MrsB> hence the name - puppet
19:59:50 <MrsB> the server is the puppetmaster
19:59:53 <wilcal> For updates to desktops
20:00:00 <lewyssmith> The bug has been done for M£, outstanding for M2 only
20:00:07 <lewyssmith> M3
20:00:09 <MrsB> yep
20:00:20 <wilcal> Hmmm maybe I could kinda do that with maybe 4 active clients in Vbox
20:00:34 <MrsB> I'm not sure if mga3 to mga2 will work as it says it is picky about versions
20:00:44 <MrsB> may do though
20:01:13 <wilcal> Does puppet have a GUI
20:01:16 <MrsB> no
20:01:18 <Luigi12_work> AFAIK the KDE update is ready to test, just the advisiory is WIP
20:01:21 <MrsB> it's a sysadmin tool really
20:01:31 <wilcal> all command like i bet
20:01:32 <MrsB> our sysadmins use it
20:01:36 <wilcal> command line
20:01:48 <MrsB> yes it is and shuffling between two computers
20:01:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: It is quite complicated
20:02:17 <MrsB> it can be, there is a simple procedure to follow though
20:02:20 <wilcal> That may not deter me from poke'n at it a little
20:02:30 <MrsB> no, don't let it scare you
20:02:43 <wilcal> I've run as many as 5 Vbox M2/M3 clients at the same time
20:02:51 <MrsB> you only need two
20:03:17 <MrsB> one as the puppetmaster which is the name of the server service and one as a client to sync files from the server
20:03:23 <DavidWHodgins> Sometimes three are needed, such as when testing a service that falls back to another server.
20:03:51 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Where did you find the procedure?
20:03:59 <MrsB> i gave a link on the bug
20:04:30 <lewyssmith> Crossed out?
20:04:43 <MrsB> yes, it's a link to the last update
20:05:03 <MrsB> on there  there is info for testing and stuff to delete in between testing in one direction and the other
20:05:08 <wilcal> puppetlabs.com gots lots of docs
20:05:11 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Crossed out links, just mean the bug has been resolved.
20:05:59 <lewyssmith> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Puppet must be it
20:06:14 <MrsB> it's very flexible and complex but we just need to test it's capable of serving a file and syncing a file, make sure the puppet service starts and stops too  aswell as the puppetmaster
20:06:41 <MrsB> you get your stripes if you manage puppet
20:06:44 <lewyssmith> So I could not have done this with just one machine?
20:06:59 <DavidWHodgins> We don't try to test every feature in a complicated package, just that basic functions are working.
20:07:04 <MrsB> perhaps lewis, if you have one machine and a VM on it too
20:07:14 <lewyssmith> No VMs - no memeory!
20:07:28 <MrsB> no, you'd struggle then, sorry
20:07:30 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Nope. Won't work with just one running system.
20:07:31 <wilcal> Then you've puppetized your one machine ;-))
20:07:55 <wilcal> A couple of Vbox clients should get me started anyway
20:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> Btw, all of the updates except freeswitch now have the advisories on svn
20:08:25 <MrsB> it's all yours then wilcal, I'm sure Dave will be delighted to help you get it done later on ;)
20:08:35 <wilcal> At least I can try to install something
20:08:56 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:09:02 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work
20:09:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic  Anything else?
20:09:11 <wilcal> Davids been a HUGE help for me
20:09:20 <wilcal> Ya I've got a question after
20:09:36 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: May as well go ahead with the question now.
20:09:39 <MrsB> it really does help to have somebody to hold your hand as you have a go at things
20:09:46 <wilcal> Sorry I asked this some time ago and forgot. I'd like the contact
20:09:48 <wilcal> info for the maintainer or OpenShot. Thanks.
20:09:53 <wilcal> just needed a contact
20:10:06 <MrsB> .maint openshot
20:10:12 <MrsB> :maint openshot
20:10:12 <Sophie> MrsB: For Mageia (openshot): dams
20:10:17 <MrsB> coincoin
20:10:44 <wilcal> Thanks
20:11:34 <MrsB> ,maint openshot
20:11:35 <[mbot> damsweb
20:11:39 <lewyssmith> Q: Are we going to have every ISO directory & contents names including the release 'stage'
20:11:55 <lewyssmith> i.e. they change at each phase?
20:11:58 <MrsB> yes they do lewis
20:12:08 <MrsB> next isos will be -alpha2-
20:12:09 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, alpha1 will change to alpha2
20:12:20 <MrsB> we'll rename our existing isos
20:12:41 <lewyssmith> Last time all these long names stayed the same, only the umbrella changed
20:13:02 <MrsB> oh, they don't change for each build
20:13:12 <DavidWHodgins> We're doing the same thing we did with the Mageia 3 names
20:13:13 <MrsB> so alpha1 isos are always named alpha1
20:13:31 <wilcal> I usually start with an empty directory and let the first rsync fill it up
20:13:32 <MrsB> and alpha2 isos will be alpha2 no matter how many builds it takes
20:14:07 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: It'll save you time to rsync the changes, if you rename the existing iso images and directories first.
20:14:08 <MrsB> that's why rsync is so good for this, it only downloads parts which have changed
20:14:33 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Claire, I had a *long* look at dorsync  to understand it. Half got there
20:14:47 <wilcal> I agree David but old habits are hard to break
20:14:53 <lewyssmith> in order to see how to adapt it to *individual* variants
20:14:54 <MrsB> great :) you know to ask though if you need help with anything don't you
20:15:10 <MrsB> ahh you're going to work on it?
20:15:26 <lewyssmith> Suggest a change
20:15:50 <MrsB> The release variable is just the directory name on the server, just set it to the right directory if you just want one at a time
20:16:37 <lewyssmith> I will try that
20:17:08 <MrsB> so something like mageia4-alpha2/Mageia-4-alpha2-i586-DVD
20:17:13 <MrsB> whatever it is
20:17:28 <lewyssmith> But do not all the filenames change at each phase?
20:17:51 <MrsB> for each alpha/beta yes, not for each build during our testing
20:17:54 <wilcal> You figure Anne is gonna get the install DVD's out this time
20:18:19 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Ping ^^
20:18:21 <lewyssmith> And if so, what stops rsync downloading the whole lot again?
20:18:35 <MrsB> you do, you have to set the directory correctly
20:18:42 <lewyssmith> Re-naming the files as per mailings?
20:19:05 <MrsB> yes, we rename our isos first and then set the release variable in dorsync
20:19:22 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: My understanding is that it breaks the file up into blocks, creates a checksum for each block, and only downloads the blocks that have changed.
20:19:33 <lewyssmith> I have gathered all this; do not remeber having to do it last time
20:19:59 <wilcal> Here's the command I use:
20:20:01 <wilcal> RSYNC_PASSWORD=xxxyyyzzzxx rsync -avHP rsync://isoqa@bcd.mageia.org/isos/mageia4-alpha1/ /home/wilcal/databank/distros/mageia_4
20:20:06 <MrsB> all the details will be in the email when it's time anyway
20:20:33 <MrsB> yeah, that's the one wilcal
20:20:42 <wilcal> Works every time
20:20:54 <MrsB> if you want to look what's there first you can replace the -avHP with --list-only
20:21:22 <MrsB> Soooo
20:21:24 <lewyssmith> It's all in the procedure!
20:21:28 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
20:22:01 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:22:17 <lewyssmith> No
20:22:26 <MrsB> #info led43-mag1, spiky, Stormi and marja sent their apologies for not being here today
20:22:41 <wilcal> I'm done
20:23:00 <MrsB> Thanks for coming then guys, please keep testing the updates and don't be scared of them
20:23:08 <wilcal> See ya next Thur
20:23:16 <MrsB> #endmeeting