19:05:04 <MrsB> #startmeeting 19:05:04 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jul 25 19:05:04 2013 UTC. The chair is MrsB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:04 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:19 <MrsB> Hi all, wlecome to another QA meeting! 19:05:28 <MrsB> typo's start now ^^ 19:05:35 <MrsB> #chair DavidWHodgins 19:05:35 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MrsB 19:05:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? 19:05:43 <MrsB> thankyou :) 19:05:49 <MrsB> Sooooo who's new? 19:06:05 <MrsB> |Slacker|: hi 19:06:24 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like sandro is on right now. 19:06:43 <MrsB> shame, if he comes back soon we'll do it then 19:06:52 <MrsB> let's go on 19:06:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Clearing the ISO testers list 19:07:03 <MrsB> Ah yes 19:07:12 <wilcal> Probably a good idea 19:07:40 <lewyssmith> Can you not leave those people who *did* participate last time? 19:07:44 <MrsB> The existing list of ISO testers is a dated now, people signed up with good intentions but never actualyl did anything 19:08:03 * led43_mag1 needs to remove his name 19:08:03 <MrsB> yep, was thinking that would be a good start lewis 19:08:18 <MrsB> not so fast led43_mag1 :P 19:08:43 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: what are your thoughts on doing this? 19:09:10 <DavidWHodgins> I think it would be easier to clear the list, and have everyone re-add their names. 19:09:25 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers as a reminder 19:09:34 <lewyssmith> Nameas are asy; the h/w details more of a pain 19:09:35 <led43_mag1> i won't be able to do the beginning of the testing, once the ribs have healed i can do some inbetween the chemoand radiation doses 19:10:05 <MrsB> I can leave those that have already said, or those that do do testing, and clear the rest. 19:10:08 <DavidWHodgins> We should leave the hardware list, as is, I think. 19:10:19 <lewyssmith> Good 19:10:19 <wilcal> You can leave me on the list 19:10:41 <MrsB> that's OK led43_mag1, we can leave oyu there and you join in when you're feeling a bit better 19:10:55 <led43_mag1> when i do start testing i should be able to do 32 & 64bit tests on real h/w 19:11:13 <lewyssmith> Are we liable to get kernewes back? 19:11:18 <swecarp> MrsB: remowe me from listu can 19:11:50 <MrsB> #info We'll leave those that have already said, or those that do do testing, and clear the rest. 19:12:12 <MrsB> swecarp: thanks for saying 19:12:13 <Akien> I intend to do more ISO testing as for mga3, as time permits. 19:12:18 <Luigi12_work> uh oh, freenode notice, there's going to be some disruption and netsplits 19:13:07 <wilcal> There is a new piece of hardware hitting the market from multiple suppliers 19:13:09 <wilcal> Helps a lot in ISO testing on real hardware 19:13:10 <wilcal> http://kingwin.com/products/cate/mobile/racks/kf_253_bk.asp 19:13:11 <[mbot> [ Welcome to www.Kingwin.com: Mobile Racks - KF-253-BK ] 19:13:47 <MrsB> #info those to leave who have said just now include Akien, marja, lewyssmith, wilcal, led43 so far (and Dave and MrsB) 19:14:10 <MrsB> spiky001: shall we leave you too? 19:14:33 <spiky001> I dont test iso??? 19:15:11 <MrsB> I'm guessing dvg we can leave too 19:15:41 <MrsB> #info spiky001 and dvg and probably others too 19:16:07 <DavidWHodgins> spiky001: By leave, Claire means leave on the list. (I.E. keep) :-) 19:16:15 <MrsB> that's a good start and more realistic than the list there right now 19:16:22 <MrsB> sorry, yes 19:16:29 <wilcal> I agree 19:17:21 <MrsB> Let's move on then, i'll do that in the morning 19:17:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Getting ready for ISOs 19:17:29 <MrsB> #action MrsB to trim the list 19:17:39 <MrsB> thanks Dave 19:17:54 <MrsB> So we're approaching ISO testing again as you know 19:18:25 <MrsB> Is everybody ready for it, got a spare partition or somewhere to install things? Maybe VBox too. 19:18:39 <wilcal> I'd like to ask that you send me a copy of your script program again MrsB 19:18:51 <MrsB> Yep sure can 19:18:58 <DavidWHodgins> It's a good idea to prepare in advance, at least one spare partition, and decide how you're going to handle the boot manager. 19:19:13 <MrsB> We need, between us, to write the wiki page on how to ISO test 19:19:26 <wilcal> David, I'm finding the latest version of Vbox quite nice 19:19:33 <DavidWHodgins> I've set aside a seperate hd, so I can also test various boot managers. 19:19:38 <marja> DavidWHodgins: do you mean you can choose to only have Grub2? 19:19:55 <marja> DavidWHodgins: s/you/I/ 19:19:58 <MrsB> I can do it but I need time to do so. I'm struggling to keep pace with testing updates and 'anything else' 19:20:11 <DavidWHodgins> grub legacy, grub2, lilo, or third party utilities such as gag. 19:20:16 * led43_mag1 has a spare 32bit pc, and when i can pick up the poorly 64bit boxes i will repair them 19:20:17 <lewyssmith> Do we know whether it will be EFI ready? 19:20:40 <MrsB> I don't think so at this stage lewis 19:20:49 <MrsB> i think Colin has plans for that though 19:20:57 * led43_mag1 no efi h/w 19:20:57 <lewyssmith> OK. I shall stick to 32-bit 19:21:21 <MrsB> Last time, the first alpha was really stable as not much had really changed 19:22:02 <MrsB> We should set our expectation at 'a bit rough around the edges' though 19:22:37 <MrsB> this one is really somethign of a base to build upon 19:22:44 <MrsB> It *should* have all the ISOs built this time though. With Mga3 we didn't get those until later on 19:22:44 <DavidWHodgins> At this point, I think we should concentrate on testing the drak* tools, and the installers. 19:22:47 <wilcal> 1st Alpha is usually pretty good, it's the 2nd & 3rd that can be fun 19:23:00 <wilcal> will it install at all 19:23:05 <MrsB> yeah, basically 19:24:12 <MrsB> I'd be happy if we can get the docs written though as we've found that people join in as we go along, so we need to be able to direct people to page saying how to ISO test 19:25:06 <wilcal> Is there any really BIG new app or feature that would get people interested 19:25:36 <DavidWHodgins> Not that I know of. 19:25:47 <wilcal> I myself would LOVE to see OpenShot 2.0 but I'm not see'n that till Dec 19:26:25 <MrsB> I thought I'd started a new ISo testing howto page, can't see it there :\ 19:26:27 <wilcal> Lightworks is also I think too many months out 19:26:51 <lewyssmith> Can I expect my elderly SiS video h/w to work properly? 19:27:07 <MrsB> Oh I found it 19:27:08 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pre-release_ISO_testing 19:27:13 <wilcal> My old SiS box is running M3 as a print server 19:27:33 <MrsB> Maybe lewis, if you test it early and report any problems 19:27:34 <wilcal> Circa 2004 19:27:55 <lewyssmith> Mine has never worked properly under M3 19:28:13 <wilcal> It's really really slow though 19:28:22 <swecarp> i hope my wifi will work 19:28:24 <MrsB> Anybody volunteer to either step up their testing so I can plough some time into creating the wiki page or to make a start on the wiki page? 19:28:50 <wilcal> I'm starting to get a little more agressive on update testing 19:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try to put in more time over the next couple of days. 19:28:59 <MrsB> It's nice to see, thanks 19:29:27 <lewyssmith> Claire, you know too well that I was willing to write a procedure last time; but have forgotten everything I thought should be in there. 19:29:28 <wilcal> Was tinkering with the QT4 thing this morning 19:29:46 <MrsB> that's precisely why we need it lewis 19:29:59 <lewyssmith> Exactly! 19:30:37 <MrsB> Ok, if everybody could please test as much as you can I'll make a start on the page. 19:31:00 <lewyssmith> I will add as I can 19:31:32 <MrsB> If you see any glaring missing bits please add a topic or send an email to qa-d or something 19:31:47 <lewyssmith> Claire: I sent you an e-mail once with the skeleton of what seemed to me to need explaining 19:31:56 <MrsB> I'll see if I can find it 19:32:06 <MrsB> It's just time I'm short of 19:32:20 <lewyssmith> I will look for it too 19:33:00 <MrsB> Let's go on then. Please have a think though and make yourself ready for the ISOs when they arrive. 19:33:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - How's it going? 19:33:15 <MrsB> if you've any questions, as ever, don't hesitate to ask 19:33:21 <MrsB> Thanks 19:33:33 <MrsB> That all brings us nicely onto this :) 19:33:33 <wilcal> I've an interesting technical point on my testing 19:33:46 <MrsB> oh, go on 19:33:54 <wilcal> I learned an inportant technical point testing VirtualBox 19:33:55 <wilcal> VirtualBox don't work so good inside VirtualBox :-0 19:34:09 <MrsB> lol I'm not surprised 19:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> :-) That's to be expected. vb, like the kernel, needs to be tested on real hardware. 19:34:53 <MrsB> How are you all getting on with testing updates though, in general? 19:34:58 <DavidWHodgins> Same with things like xen or qemu. 19:34:58 <lewyssmith> I have tried (am using) 10766 Qt update, & OK'd it in the bug for M3 32-bit 19:35:14 <MrsB> Lewis I noticed yours tonight, well done. That can be validated now can't it? 19:35:15 <wilcal> I think the Vbox and Apache exercises went well 19:35:38 <wilcal> Those are big apps 19:35:46 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I imagine so. Want me to try that? 19:36:05 <MrsB> Yes, please do. If you follow the validation process it's all there 19:36:25 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates 19:36:39 <lewyssmith> I *know* about this! 19:36:41 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. The advisory hasn't been uploaded yet. I'll do that shortly. 19:36:48 <lewyssmith> thanks 19:36:53 <MrsB> :) 19:37:20 <MrsB> spiky001: Have you seen any that take your fancy? 19:37:47 <spiky001> Not yet I will have a look and see 19:37:51 <MrsB> \o/ 19:38:04 <MrsB> So we're doing quite well it seems 19:38:19 <MrsB> Anybody have any questions while we're all here? 19:38:29 <wilcal> not here 19:38:34 <spiky001> I have been off line last week but all fixed now 19:38:48 <MrsB> |Slacker|: if you gte back, say hi :) 19:39:21 <MrsB> I hate it when t'internet dies 19:39:38 <MrsB> end up doing weird stuff like gardening 19:39:55 <lewyssmith> i.e. the important things in life 19:39:56 <MrsB> I'd sooner the telly and phone went than t'internet 19:40:00 <spiky001> yes idid 19:40:44 <MrsB> Is everybody OK to carry on with these then? Gaining confidence? 19:41:12 <lewyssmith> I am often baffled by bug descriptions; they could be in Martian 19:41:15 <wilcal> Get'n better here 19:41:56 <MrsB> The security updates can be a bit that way. It helps to google the CVE and see what turns up, but if there is no PoC then just test the package orks 19:42:05 <MrsB> works* 19:42:13 <wilcal> Do no damage 19:42:20 <MrsB> yep 19:42:30 <lewyssmith> e.g. pykolab needs patch to deleted some none existent roundcubemail plugins 19:42:37 <wilcal> Sometimes that's all you can do with security updates 19:42:49 <wilcal> I can't do a DoD attack here 19:43:27 <MrsB> If you can't then don't. Just test the update works and updates Ok. 19:43:57 <wilcal> wrinkle at the start of testing the Apache update then things went fine 19:44:12 <MrsB> For alot of things the PoC is kept private until major vendors (ie. distributions like us) have released updates 19:44:32 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Advisory for qt uploaded to svn. Go ahead and validate it. 19:44:35 <MrsB> that kind of thing is to be expected wilcal, that's just why we're here though to find things like that 19:45:08 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: thanks; tomorrow 19:45:26 <MrsB> Have a stab at it lewis, yeah 19:45:51 <MrsB> If there are no immediate questions let's move on 19:46:07 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup 19:46:12 <Luigi12_work> boo 19:46:13 <MrsB> thankyou :) 19:46:16 <MrsB> OoOoOo 19:46:27 <wilcal> HiYa Luigi 19:47:15 <MrsB> |Slacker|: If you're reading the logs and wondering who Luigi12 is, he builds most of our security updates. You'll see alot of him :) 19:47:43 <MrsB> Over to you then Luigi12_work 19:48:06 <wilcal> Anything further on nagstamon Luigi? 19:48:16 <MrsB> yes, nice poke wilcal 19:48:51 <Luigi12_work> no, haven't heard anything from guillomovitch 19:49:00 <Luigi12_work> as well as many other packagers with things pending... 19:49:01 <wilcal> That should be an easy test if turned loose 19:49:07 <Luigi12_work> you can assign the nagstamon bug back to guillomovitch 19:49:27 <MrsB> Luigi12_work: what is waiting for packagers please? 19:49:38 <Luigi12_work> lemme check 19:50:20 <MrsB> I'll speak to malo tomorrow, see if he can gently prod some 19:50:37 <Luigi12_work> dmorgan has a whole list of things 19:50:52 <MrsB> can you name the more important ones 19:50:56 <Luigi12_work> zabbix from mitya. I reminded him of it yesterday, still not sure his plan. 19:52:15 <Luigi12_work> dmorgan list is apache-commons-compress (Bug 6331), tomcat5 (Bug 8307), tomcat6 (Bug 10201), and openjpa (Bug 10817) 19:52:20 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , apache-commons-compress new security issue CVE-2012-2098, apache-commons-compress, apache-commons-compress10 19:52:21 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8307 normal, Normal, dmorganec, dmorganec, NEW , Tomcat5 security update [WAS: tomcat5, tomcat6, tomcat (tomcat7) new security issues fixed upstream], tomcat5 19:52:22 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10201 critical, Normal, dmorganec, dmorganec, NEW , tomcat6 new security issues CVE-2012-3544 and CVE-2013-2067, tomcat6-6.0.36-5.mga3.src.rpm 19:52:23 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10817 major, Normal, dmorganec, dmorganec, NEW , openjpa new security issue CVE-2013-1768, openjpa-2.2.1-2.mga4.src.rpm 19:53:11 <MrsB> #info Waiting for packagers: dmorgan list is apache-commons-compress (Bug 6331), tomcat5 (Bug 8307), tomcat6 (Bug 10201), and openjpa (Bug 10817) 19:53:15 <Luigi12_work> the X.org update still needs done for mga2, not sure if tv's planning to do it (Bug 10105) 19:53:16 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10105 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Multiple vulnerabilities in X.Org 19:53:31 <Luigi12_work> the KDE update for Mageia 3 fixes three security issues, not sure why that's still on hold 19:53:53 <lewyssmith> Good ppoint 19:53:54 <Luigi12_work> glpi from guillomovitch (Bug 10579) 19:53:54 <wilcal> That's gotta be big 19:53:55 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10579 normal, Normal, guillomovitch, guillomovitch, NEW , glpi new security issues fixed in 0.83.9 and 0.83.91, glpi-0.83.8-1.mga3.src.rpm 19:54:09 <Luigi12_work> iceape from spturtle/cjw (Bug 10707) 19:54:09 <MrsB> #info Xorg for mga2 (bug 10105) maybe TV 19:54:10 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 normal, Normal, cjw, cjw, NEW , iceape multiple security issues fixed in IceApe 2.19 19:54:32 <Luigi12_work> freeswitch from dlucio, he worked on it in Cauldron today, so that might be on its way soon (Bug 10743) 19:54:33 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10743 normal, Normal, luis.daniel.lucio, luis.daniel.lucio, NEW , freeswitch new security issue CVE-2013-2238, freeswitch-1.2.8-1.mga3.src.rpm 19:54:55 <Luigi12_work> you can see the full list here https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b most of the ones I haven't mentioned I don't expect will get fixed 19:55:37 <wilcal> Java???? 19:55:45 <Luigi12_work> what about Java? 19:55:47 <MrsB> #info guillomovitch glpi (bug 10579) cjw iceape (bug10707) dlucio freeswitch (bug 10743) 19:55:53 <Luigi12_work> openjpa is some java thing, as is apache-commons-compress 19:55:57 <wilcal> The weekly Java explot??? 19:56:02 <MrsB> #info complete list https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=comp:secu+-@qa-b 19:56:15 <wilcal> Seems to have gone quiet 19:56:15 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:56:35 <Luigi12_work> lcms2 should be coming to QA soon, other than that, I don't know of anything definitely in the pipeline 19:56:41 <MrsB> #action MrsB to really speak to malo, not just promise to like last week. 19:56:59 <MrsB> #info lcms2 is in the pipeline 19:57:07 <DavidWHodgins> Wow. That list is massive. 19:57:16 <Luigi12_work> yeah :o( 19:57:32 <Luigi12_work> so looks like just php needs tested right now, security-wise. 32-bit Mageia 3 is all that's left to test. 19:57:51 <Luigi12_work> the qt/qtwebkit one might be what the KDE team is waiting on (just guessing) 19:58:01 <MrsB> Yes probably 19:58:02 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have 19:58:07 <MrsB> easy to test that on 19:58:09 <MrsB> e 19:58:30 <MrsB> just install the updates and make sure kde dialogs all still look ok 19:59:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else? 19:59:13 <MrsB> Thanks Luigi12_work 19:59:15 <|Slacker|> hello everyone 19:59:22 <dvg> count me in for iso tetsing (was away earlier, sorry) 19:59:22 <|Slacker|> just passing to say hi 19:59:23 <MrsB> Hi |Slacker| 19:59:30 <|Slacker|> I'm about to go to work now 19:59:40 <MrsB> Welcome to the QA team :) 19:59:42 <led43_mag1> |Slacker|: hi 19:59:47 <DavidWHodgins> |Slacker|: Welcome! 19:59:48 <MrsB> thanks for popping in 19:59:51 <|Slacker|> I'm Sandro Cristiano, the guy from Brazil who's just joined this week 20:00:09 <wilcal> Get paid for this Computer Stuff ;-) 20:00:22 <wilcal> Hello Sandro 20:00:27 <MrsB> I'm Claire, UK based, I wrote the reply to you 20:00:30 <wilcal> I saw your messages 20:00:33 <led43_mag1> Hi and welcome, I'm john bowden from the Midlands UK 20:00:43 <MrsB> Instroduce yourselves quickly guys please 20:00:47 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. 20:00:56 <spiky001> Hi Sandro 20:01:04 <dvg> from NL 20:01:15 <wilcal> William Kenney ( wilcal ) from Surf City USA ( San Diego CA ) 20:01:21 <lewyssmith> I'm Lewis in France 20:01:44 <|Slacker|> :) 20:02:00 <marja> |Slacker|: I'm from NL (the Netherlands), too, but not really in QA 20:02:09 <MrsB> Please don't hesitate to get stuck in and have a go at stuff |Slacker| and never hesitate to ask questions or ask somebody here for some help 20:02:23 <|Slacker|> got it 20:02:39 <marja> |Slacker|: I'm extremely happy to see someone from Brazil in QA :-D 20:02:47 <|Slacker|> \o/ 20:02:50 <MrsB> Is there anything you'd like to ask now? 20:02:58 <wilcal> Big Big computer market is Brazil 20:03:15 <|Slacker|> I don't think so...just passed to say hi 20:03:25 <MrsB> Have a good day then :) 20:03:25 <|Slacker|> gotta go to work, my people, need me 20:03:26 <|Slacker|> :P 20:03:33 <MrsB> lol 20:03:40 <marja> |Slacker|: até a vista 20:03:42 <|Slacker|> thanks...I'll be here later on 20:03:53 <MrsB> Dave will probably be around :) 20:03:54 <|Slacker|> marja, o/~ 20:04:12 <MrsB> and Luigi12 too 20:04:35 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:04:40 <wilcal> Not from me 20:04:42 <diogenese> They're both on later than most. 20:05:15 <led43_mag1> not here 20:05:23 <lewyssmith> Would a signifcant refinement of the ISO testing result system be out of the question? 20:05:43 <MrsB> Not if you've a better way of doing things 20:05:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'm in the eastern time zone of the americas, and a night hawk. :-) 20:06:09 <marja> :) 20:06:22 <lewyssmith> I have an idea which would make life easier for all, but it would not be trivial to implement 20:06:39 <MrsB> Put in in an email lewyssmith 20:06:48 <lewyssmith> Can I post it in the mailgroup? 20:06:54 <DavidWHodgins> Sure 20:06:55 <MrsB> of ocurse yes 20:07:03 <lewyssmith> Will do. 20:07:13 <MrsB> Is there anythign else else? 20:07:16 <led43_mag1> always open to suggestions 20:07:47 <MrsB> 5.. 20:07:50 <MrsB> 4.. 20:07:54 <MrsB> 3.. 20:07:55 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 20:07:57 <MrsB> 2.. 20:08:00 <MrsB> 1... 20:08:05 <lewyssmith> au revoir 20:08:13 <MrsB> Thatnks for coming everybody. Please keep testing! 20:08:20 <MrsB> #endmeeting